1036 yard kill

Won't Argue with it!

But at that Yardage!

Does anybody consider what the Limbs,Branches,Twigs & Trees might do for a Bullet?

Tell me there was a Perfect 1/2" opening at over a Thousand Yards!






[font color="redhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsueOnu0kY
 
I don't reme if he said it on Facebook or the start of the video, but he had a clear shot. His angle was different than the camera.
 
He also closes his eyes before the gun goes off (flinch).
This seems like poor form whether shooting at 200 or 1000 yards!!!! Ugh! With that flinch, he's lucky? to hit it at all.
Seems more like a "stunt" or an "military execution" to me than hunting and I like long range "shooting".
Just my 2 cents,
Zeke
 
Those who lack hunting skill must compensate with shooting skill I suppose!

Nice shooting but I would hardly consider it skillful hunting!

Despite what they say most of these long range shows miss and loose animals all the time!
 
lotsa great stuff in that video. rap music, flatbrimmed hats, long range shooting, hooting and hollering like high school cheerleaders after the kill, gang kill pic, hang loose hand signals. lots to like there!
 
Awesome video, Awesome shot, but not FAIR CHASE. Use your sniper skill on targets and terrorists. RESPECT the game you hunt and give them a fair shot at survival. That's my opinion on the whole thing.
 
>Awesome video, Awesome shot, but not
>FAIR CHASE. Use your sniper
>skill on targets and terrorists.
>RESPECT the game you hunt
>and give them a fair
>shot at survival. That's my
>opinion on the whole thing.
>


Hunting with a rifle in general isnt giving them a fair shot. You take all their natural sense out of play when hunting 200 or 300 yards away but you never here people griping about that. One could argue a shot like that takes more skill then stalking up to 40 yards with a bow.
 
When the actual "Kill" and the "Fame" of "Look How Good I Am" means more than any other part of the hunt, then a person can justify taking a 1036 yard shot.

I mean you couldn't sneak up to 1000 yards, pfffft
 
>>Awesome video, Awesome shot, but not
>>FAIR CHASE. Use your sniper
>>skill on targets and terrorists.
>>RESPECT the game you hunt
>>and give them a fair
>>shot at survival. That's my
>>opinion on the whole thing.
>>
>
>
>Hunting with a rifle in general
>isnt giving them a fair
>shot. You take all their
>natural sense out of play
>when hunting 200 or 300
>yards away but you never
>here people griping about that.
>One could argue a shot
>like that takes more skill
>then stalking up to 40
>yards with a bow.

Seriously one of the stupidest comments I have ever read! 40 yards with a bow and making the kill shot is far harder accomplish. Hell even getting into 70 yards and killing with a rifle takes far more skill than this...
 
Congrats to Zac and the rest of the guys! Both those shots hit solid and were well placed. Im sure Zac could have got it done with a bow also! He is a great hunter and works very hard!
 
But just a few years ago I get My Ass Ate for shootin a Buck at 538 Yards with my Varmint Gun!








[font color="redhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsueOnu0kY
 
>>Awesome video, Awesome shot, but not
>>FAIR CHASE. Use your sniper
>>skill on targets and terrorists.
>>RESPECT the game you hunt
>>and give them a fair
>>shot at survival. That's my
>>opinion on the whole thing.
>>
>
>
>Hunting with a rifle in general
>isnt giving them a fair
>shot. You take all their
>natural sense out of play
>when hunting 200 or 300
>yards away but you never
>here people griping about that.
>One could argue a shot
>like that takes more skill
>then stalking up to 40
>yards with a bow.

Ummmm.... No
 
The part that gets me worked up is like when you watch best of the west and a hunter uses the guides gun. The hunter has no practice with the gun and they make the shot. some good and some horrible. Some local guides here brag about how their hunter used their gun that they never shot and made a 1200 yard shot...

I enjoy the part of closing the distance to a comfortable shooting distance. The long distance shooting isn't going away so it does me no good to complain but all I can say the long distance videos don't even get the blood pumping. The spot and stalk videos big or small game now those are cool to watch.


I could never find myself making those shots. I cant imagine making a slight bad shot and the bull ends up going over a hill and taking me 2 hours to try to catch up if I could ever catch up.. Those elk can cover distance so fast...
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-03-14 AT 09:11PM (MST)[p]>>>Awesome video, Awesome shot, but not
>>>FAIR CHASE. Use your sniper
>>>skill on targets and terrorists.
>>>RESPECT the game you hunt
>>>and give them a fair
>>>shot at survival. That's my
>>>opinion on the whole thing.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Hunting with a rifle in general
>>isnt giving them a fair
>>shot. You take all their
>>natural sense out of play
>>when hunting 200 or 300
>>yards away but you never
>>here people griping about that.
>>One could argue a shot
>>like that takes more skill
>>then stalking up to 40
>>yards with a bow.
>
>Seriously one of the stupidest comments
>I have ever read! 40
>yards with a bow and
>making the kill shot is
>far harder accomplish. Hell even
>getting into 70 yards and
>killing with a rifle takes
>far more skill than this...
>

Why is it a stupid comment? Because it doesn't agree with your style of hunting? I get so sick and tired of hunters bashing other hunters. Have you ever tried making a shot like that? It's far more than point and shoot. Literally everything comes into play. So yes it does take a extreme amount of skill. Maybe a different type of skill then stalking to 40 yards but none the less it takes skill. I'm just trying to make the point that hunting at 300 yards or 3000 yards is really not "fair" chase. But nobody seems to care about the 300 yard shoot. Just my 2 cents. And by the way... I'm almost strictly a bow hunter
 
>lotsa great stuff in that video.
>rap music, flatbrimmed hats, long
>range shooting, hooting and hollering
>like high school cheerleaders after
>the kill, gang kill pic,
>hang loose hand signals. lots
>to like there!

Omg flatbrims! Hang loose signs! What is this world coming to? God forbid your buddies come help pack your bull out. Thanks for the laugh.
 
I like how he explains his flinch in the comment section. You'd think if he shoots as much as he says he does he wouldn't flinch so bad.
Watch the Utarded boy gut shoot a muley in his other video and how explains that. Good stuff.
 
I take or avoid shots depending on likelihood of killing fast. Archery, muzzleloader, rifle, handgun, its all the same: Is this shot highly likely to kill right away or very soon? If not, I pass. So whether you call it fair chase, ethical hunting or whatev, these vids that show Hail Marys are promoting a bad thing. Difference between a hunter and a shooter is that the hunter is primarily concerned w the animal, shooter cares only about the shot.

Watch some wounded game limp around coughing and dragging themselves, loaded w pain, adrenaline and fear. Find carcasses that were gutshot and died w their heads in the water due to thirst over several days. Realize the consequences to animals of bad shooting and bad decisionmaking. Then prepare yourself by knowing what your max range is and keeping to shots inside that range. Understand the variables that might screw up a shot.

End of sermon, pass the collection plate.
 
you guys that don't have the balls to state your real name, telling other people to take midol, get a life,!!!!1
 
I'm confident that anyone that takes a shot over 1000 yards, and hits it is very familiar with their equipment. I have no problem with long range shooting, but just don't call it hunting.

If you can sit in a lawn chair with your stereo blarring and shoot an animal that has no clue to your exsistence, it's not considered a "Hunt".

Get in close, respect the animal, and make a clean shot.

Boone a Crockett club FAIR CHASE Comments:

FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.

HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:

1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.

3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.

4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.

5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.

6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.
 
Here's a good read:

Long-Range Shooting: Defining a New Ethic in Hunting
Tuesday, August 12, 2014
The ethical issue isn't the 350-yard shot. The real concern, as Boone and Crockett Club sees it, is hunters not trying to get a closer one.

Long-range shooting is a hot topic in hunting. Improved and specialized guns, gear, bullets and sniper skills are growing in popularity, stretching the lethal range of hunters further than ever before. But many hunters wonder how it all fits with traditional, ethical standards. How far is too far to be considered fair chase?

Boone and Crockett adopted a new position statement to help define the ethics of taking game from long range.

"It's not about distance; it's about intent," said Bill Demmer, Club president.

He explained, "Hunters have varying degrees of marksmanship skills and capabilities. Some are steady only out to 100 yards. Others are very efficient at much longer distances. All kinds of field conditions also factor into what is or isn't an ethical shot. So, within reasonable sideboards, it's impossible to use distance as a measurement of fair chase."

But the Club firmly takes issue with hunters who choose shooting long rather than trying to get close. Intent is what separates hunting from merely shooting a live target.

"The honor and lasting memories in hunting have always been in our ability to get close to game animals. And every hunter has better odds of a quick, clean kill at closer distances. That's one of our most imperative responsibilities as a hunter, and that's the legacy of sportsmanship that we believe is important to uphold," said Demmer.

Maintaining the integrity and public support of hunting is vital. The tradition, along with its indelible ties to conservation, is a key to sustaining wildlife for the future.

C.J. Buck, president of Buck Knives and a Boone and Crockett member, said, "Hunting is personal and the reasons why people hunt are personal. For many, making a kill is merely incidental to their time afield. This elevates hunting to mean something more than just filling a tag, and that's one of the things that make it special. Sure, we have laws for safety and to conserve the resource, but at the end of the day our satisfaction has more to do with our own intentions. I think that is why so many sportsmen are disturbed by those who make the shot or the kill more important than the hunt itself."

Boone and Crockett has been a standard-bearer for hunting ethics since 1902, when Club founder Theodore Roosevelt refused to shoot a captive black bear during a hosted hunt in Mississippi. The incident, widely covered in the press, popularized the concept of fair chase on this continent, elevated public appreciation for sportsmanship and even inspired introduction of a new toy, the Teddy bear.

Demmer concluded, "Some people don't like us talking about ethics, claiming it divides hunters when hunters should be united. Rallying around hunting ethics is how sportsmen did away with the anything-goes culture that nearly eliminated big game in the early days of the conservation movement. I believe doing right by the game and the traditions of hunting still unites hunters."

The Club's position statement and an article by noted gun and hunting writer Wayne van Zwoll are posted at www.boone-crockett.org.

? 2014 Boone and Crockett Club
 
>For all you doubters(whoops I mean
>haters) check out the shot
>he made on this goat
>at 600 yards on the
>RUN!!!
>
>

Defending the running shot while ignoring the total air-ball on the first standing shot.

That's something.
 
>you guys that don't have the
>balls to state your
>real name, telling other people
>to take midol, get
>a life,!!!!1



Why do you need to know my name? You a perv or something? Maybe a night creeper?

Go shoot your Ruger with its 3" 100 yard group cause you're a REAL hunter.

Then take a Midol and have a wine cooler.
 
>Here's a good read:
>
>Long-Range Shooting: Defining a New Ethic
>in Hunting
>Tuesday, August 12, 2014
>The ethical issue isn't the 350-yard
>shot. The real concern, as
>Boone and Crockett Club sees
>it, is hunters not trying
>to get a closer one.
>
>
>Long-range shooting is a hot topic
>in hunting. Improved and specialized
>guns, gear, bullets and sniper
>skills are growing in popularity,
>stretching the lethal range of
>hunters further than ever before.
>But many hunters wonder how
>it all fits with traditional,
>ethical standards. How far is
>too far to be considered
>fair chase?
>
>Boone and Crockett adopted a new
>position statement to help define
>the ethics of taking game
>from long range.
>
>"It's not about distance; it's about
>intent," said Bill Demmer, Club
>president.
>
>He explained, "Hunters have varying degrees
>of marksmanship skills and capabilities.
>Some are steady only out
>to 100 yards. Others are
>very efficient at much longer
>distances. All kinds of field
>conditions also factor into what
>is or isn't an ethical
>shot. So, within reasonable sideboards,
>it's impossible to use distance
>as a measurement of fair
>chase."
>
>But the Club firmly takes issue
>with hunters who choose shooting
>long rather than trying to
>get close. Intent is what
>separates hunting from merely shooting
>a live target.
>
>"The honor and lasting memories in
>hunting have always been in
>our ability to get close
>to game animals. And every
>hunter has better odds of
>a quick, clean kill at
>closer distances. That's one of
>our most imperative responsibilities as
>a hunter, and that's the
>legacy of sportsmanship that we
>believe is important to uphold,"
>said Demmer.
>
>Maintaining the integrity and public support
>of hunting is vital. The
>tradition, along with its indelible
>ties to conservation, is a
>key to sustaining wildlife for
>the future.
>
>C.J. Buck, president of Buck Knives
>and a Boone and Crockett
>member, said, "Hunting is personal
>and the reasons why people
>hunt are personal. For many,
>making a kill is merely
>incidental to their time afield.
>This elevates hunting to mean
>something more than just filling
>a tag, and that's one
>of the things that make
>it special. Sure, we have
>laws for safety and to
>conserve the resource, but at
>the end of the day
>our satisfaction has more to
>do with our own intentions.
>I think that is why
>so many sportsmen are disturbed
>by those who make the
>shot or the kill more
>important than the hunt itself."
>
>
>Boone and Crockett has been a
>standard-bearer for hunting ethics since
>1902, when Club founder Theodore
>Roosevelt refused to shoot a
>captive black bear during a
>hosted hunt in Mississippi. The
>incident, widely covered in the
>press, popularized the concept of
>fair chase on this continent,
>elevated public appreciation for sportsmanship
>and even inspired introduction of
>a new toy, the Teddy
>bear.
>
>Demmer concluded, "Some people don't like
>us talking about ethics, claiming
>it divides hunters when hunters
>should be united. Rallying around
>hunting ethics is how sportsmen
>did away with the anything-goes
>culture that nearly eliminated big
>game in the early days
>of the conservation movement. I
>believe doing right by the
>game and the traditions of
>hunting still unites hunters."
>
>The Club's position statement and an
>article by noted gun and
>hunting writer Wayne van Zwoll
>are posted at www.boone-crockett.org.
>
>? 2014 Boone and Crockett Club
>

I asked the fool that wrote this if he could please define long range and he wnt a 3 page reply full of romantic and nostalgic BS
about tradition and yada yada yada....but could not tell me what B&C considered long range.

Bottom line, that article SUCKS.
 
>I'm confident that anyone that takes
>a shot over 1000 yards,
>and hits it is very
>familiar with their equipment. I
>have no problem with long
>range shooting, but just don't
>call it hunting.
>
>If you can sit in a
>lawn chair with your stereo
>blarring and shoot an animal
>that has no clue to
>your exsistence, it's not considered
>a "Hunt".
>
>Get in close, respect the animal,
>and make a clean shot.
>
>
>Boone a Crockett club FAIR CHASE
>Comments:
>
>FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
>FAIR CHASE, as defined by the
>Boone and Crockett Club, is
>the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful
>pursuit and taking of any
>free-ranging wild, native North American
>big game animal in a
>manner that does not give
>the hunter an improper advantage
>over such animals.
>
>HUNTER ETHICS
>Fundamental to all hunting is the
>concept of conservation of natural
>resources. Hunting in today's world
>involves the regulated harvest of
>individual animals in a manner
>that conserves, protects, and perpetuates
>the hunted population. The hunter
>engages in a one-to-one relationship
>with the quarry and his
>or her hunting should be
>guided by a hierarchy of
>ethics related to hunting, which
>includes the following tenets:
>
>1. Obey all applicable laws and
>regulations.
>
>2. Respect the customs of the
>locale where the hunting occurs.
>
>
>3. Exercise a personal code of
>behavior that reflects favorably on
>your abilities and sensibilities as
>a hunter.
>
>4. Attain and maintain the skills
>necessary to make the kill
>as certain and quick as
>possible.
>
>5. Behave in a way that
>will bring no dishonor to
>either the hunter, the hunted,
>or the environment.
>
>6. Recognize that these tenets are
>intended to enhance the hunter's
>experience of the relationship between
>predator and prey, which is
>one of the most fundamental
>relationships of humans and their
>environment.


Guess what skippy, you don't get to define what "hunting" is for everyone. Only for your self.
 
If we want to talk fair chase, I think the only fair chase that doesn't give a hunter an unfair advantage is hunt with your bare hands. Binoculars give you an advantage. A rifle gives you an advantage. A bow gives you an advantage.
350 yards and under is considered hunting and fair chase but 351 yards and further isn't. Lol some of you have your head up your ass.
I'm all for getting as close as you can. This guy just happened to make better shots at 1,000 then some of you can at 200.
 
>The part that gets me worked
>up is like when you
>watch best of the west
>and a hunter uses the
>guides gun. The hunter has
>no practice with the gun
>and they make the shot.
>some good and some horrible.
>Some local guides here brag
>about how their hunter used
>their gun that they never
>shot and made a 1200
>yard shot...
>
>I enjoy the part of closing
>the distance to a comfortable
>shooting distance. The long distance
>shooting isn't going away so
>it does me no good
>to complain but all I
>can say the long distance
>videos don't even get the
>blood pumping. The spot
>and stalk videos big or
>small game now those are
>cool to watch.
>
>
>I could never find myself making
>those shots. I cant imagine
>making a slight bad shot
>and the bull ends up
>going over a hill and
>taking me 2 hours to
>try to catch up if
>I could ever catch
>up.. Those elk can cover
>distance so fast...




I also want to add is at that range how do you keep track of animals behind other animals. And when they all start to run how does a guy keep track of a large herd and which animal got shot??? I know I don't have the binos to reach that far or does it take a spotter.....


All my statements is my point of view and how I see it. I dig long distance but I keep my long distance scope on a 22-250 for picket pins and targets.... when I watch the long distance videos I see animals just scatter and seems sometimes they are shooting at a whole another animal...
 
Try this one for size, I can build a fancy custom truck with a it heavy bumper that will kill elk. I practice driving all the time and since I have the equipment I might as well just hunt with the 5.9 cummins! After all the animal will still die and since I am such a good driver a slob hunter shooting 100 yards has just as much chance at wounding one and letting it get away as I do! My big advantage with my setup is the right away fences! They almost ensure not wounding loss since the animals I fail to harvest cleanly will get trapped and not really require a follow up throttle!
 
>Try this one for size, I
>can build a fancy custom
>truck with a it heavy
>bumper that will kill elk.
>I practice driving all the
>time and since I have
>the equipment I might as
>well just hunt with the
>5.9 cummins! After all the
>animal will still die and
>since I am such a
>good driver a slob hunter
>shooting 100 yards has just
>as much chance at wounding
>one and letting it get
>away as I do! My
>big advantage with my setup
>is the right away fences!
>They almost ensure not wounding
>loss since the animals I
>fail to harvest cleanly will
>get trapped and not really
>require a follow up throttle!
>


Come up with an argument that actually makes sense or leave the discussion to the adults.
 
>Try this one for size, I
>can build a fancy custom
>truck with a it heavy
>bumper that will kill elk.
>I practice driving all the
>time and since I have
>the equipment I might as
>well just hunt with the
>5.9 cummins! After all the
>animal will still die and
>since I am such a
>good driver a slob hunter
>shooting 100 yards has just
>as much chance at wounding
>one and letting it get
>away as I do! My
>big advantage with my setup
>is the right away fences!
>They almost ensure not wounding
>loss since the animals I
>fail to harvest cleanly will
>get trapped and not really
>require a follow up throttle!
>

Are you serious?? 5.9 Cummins is way undergunned. Need at least a 7.3!
 
LMAO!

"A Follow Up Throttle"!:D

>Try this one for size, I
>can build a fancy custom
>truck with a it heavy
>bumper that will kill elk.
>I practice driving all the
>time and since I have
>the equipment I might as
>well just hunt with the
>5.9 cummins! After all the
>animal will still die and
>since I am such a
>good driver a slob hunter
>shooting 100 yards has just
>as much chance at wounding
>one and letting it get
>away as I do! My
>big advantage with my setup
>is the right away fences!
>They almost ensure not wounding
>loss since the animals I
>fail to harvest cleanly will
>get trapped and not really
>require a follow up throttle!
>










[font color="redhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsueOnu0kY
 
>Try this one for size, I
>can build a fancy custom
>truck with a it heavy
>bumper that will kill elk.
>I practice driving all the
>time and since I have
>the equipment I might as
>well just hunt with the
>5.9 cummins! After all the
>animal will still die and
>since I am such a
>good driver a slob hunter
>shooting 100 yards has just
>as much chance at wounding
>one and letting it get
>away as I do! My
>big advantage with my setup
>is the right away fences!
>They almost ensure not wounding
>loss since the animals I
>fail to harvest cleanly will
>get trapped and not really
>require a follow up throttle!
>


Why don't you walk to your hunting area like a real hunter instead of using technology to get you there.
 
So much ignorance and hate spewed between a group of people that should have the same common goals and interest. The antis are working their way in through any means possible and all we can do as "sportsmen" is divide ourselves with 1st grade arguments about the length of a shot! Sad!!
 
>>Try this one for size, I
>>can build a fancy custom
>>truck with a it heavy
>>bumper that will kill elk.
>>I practice driving all the
>>time and since I have
>>the equipment I might as
>>well just hunt with the
>>5.9 cummins! After all the
>>animal will still die and
>>since I am such a
>>good driver a slob hunter
>>shooting 100 yards has just
>>as much chance at wounding
>>one and letting it get
>>away as I do! My
>>big advantage with my setup
>>is the right away fences!
>>They almost ensure not wounding
>>loss since the animals I
>>fail to harvest cleanly will
>>get trapped and not really
>>require a follow up throttle!
>>
>
>
>Why don't you walk to your
>hunting area like a real
>hunter instead of using technology
>to get you there.

Well I do drive a standard with manual locking hubs, manual tranny, no power windows, no push button 4wd, head light dimmer on the floor!

Gues I am a traditionalist!
 
>So much ignorance and hate spewed
>between a group of people
>that should have the same
>common goals and interest. The
>antis are working their way
>in through any means possible
>and all we can do
>as "sportsmen" is divide ourselves
>with 1st grade arguments about
>the length of a shot!
>Sad!!

I couldn't agree more with you. As long as you remain within the law and don't blatantly disrespect the game you hunt there is nothing to complain about.
 
Looking at the video it appears both shots were several inches apart. Looks like the second shot might have spined him. That means at that range a 2-3 inch group was needed to avoid the branches. I'd say luck was involved not hitting some of the bigger branches that could have easily deflected either shot since neither shot was in that close of proximity to each other. I wouldn't exactly call that accurate enough shooting for my likes. I'm guessing if there would have been a deflection on the first shot we'd never be watching this.

I respect Zac's bow hunting skills, because there skill IS involved and he is a great bow hunter.
 
To me it sounds like a bunch of you guys are jealous because you can't shoot 1000 yards.... Congrats to the guy for 2 bad ass shots I've been working in long range and I personally would not be comfortable at 1,000.... Yet!!!! I'm a archery hunter at heart and that's all I will probably ever put in for but I have been dialing in my 7mag out to about 800 at the moment. With optics and options you have for your weapons.... 1,000 yards with a skilled confident shooter is possible..... Obviously I mean you drill a elk at 1036 not once but twice..... You might get lucky once but 2 times at 1,000 takes things it sounds like a lot of you Haters don't have. SKILL. Call me a crappy hunter bash on me all you want like you have Zach but I'll show you my wall of muleys and bulls most of you guys would die to have all takin with a bow. Now enough with tooting my own horn. I've had the privilege to hunt with the huskemaw crew and damn.... Can they shoot. Skill and the equipment you hunt with is a major factor and with the right optics the right conditions and with enough practice..... Why not? And he's shot some damn good animals as well so I don't think the lack of hunting skill is the case here either and bashing the style a hunter has? Really grow up look at you. If your not out there in your Theodore Roosevelt get up then your apart of the changing revolution this world is apart of. Now all I got to do is figure out how to get my hands in one of those flat brim hats! (Tissues for all you cry babies are located in the toiletry isle at your local markets)

Sincerely,
SHmuleyking
 
pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
That sure leaves the door wide open. LOL

2 good shots both hit with in inches. YEP must all be luck.
Good shooting is what I think. Most of you guys would hate to buy the ammo that is shot up on the gun range before the hunt was even drew,

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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So what happens when 1000yds become the norm in hunting? They gonna have another season for the "traditionalist" who use a 30/06 and a 3-9 powered scope or abfixed 6x? When a 1000yds is the norm and harvest rates go up will opportunity decline? I forsee added seasons, restictions, or less opportunity on the horizon if this trend continues. Lots of arguements can be made but hands down this does put the animals at a severe disadvantage.

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."
 
I don't let my son shoot ducks on the pond. No law against it, still considered hunting, still have to hit them, just not real sporting. Seems that when you break out wind meters and calculators you crossed into the not sporting realm.

NOW, old fashioned, Teddy Roosevelt, whatever, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REVERENCE FOR THE DEAD ANIMAL. Yeah, we all get excited, yeah there is adreniline, but show a little class. I know you youngsters(I am a senior citizen at 40 i know) "need" to be seen with your possee, and "need" to be filmed from sleeping, to eating, to love making, but good lord, having class isn't an age thing, its a class thing. I still can never figure out how I kill animals and I am covered in blood to my shoulders, but these guys are perfectly clean. Some of us still consider BLOOD to be part of hunting, if your afraid of it perhaps you should get a new hobby?

As for flat brimmed hats, what is the point of a hat? To keep the sun out of your eyes. Flat brimmed hats fail at this. Plus you look like a jackazz. How do I prove that? Look at every jackazz on T.V., or You tube, he is wearing a flat brimmed hat. If your goal in life is to aspire to be like them, by all means wear one, otherwise bend it or don't wear it.

Lastly as for the Huskemaw guys, or best of the west. If I buy a freaking tag, and pay a guide and the best he can do is 700+ yrds, I WANT MY MONEY BACK.





"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Why would you spend so much time at the first of the video justifying, and explaining what is about to be shown?

Nice comments Zeke!
 
What next,drones and laser guided bullets? I think our technology has improved so much that it is no longer fair to the wildlife. Look at the cover that bull was in .
A very difficult place to stalk ,hunt and kill an animal. That is why he was such a trophy however he could not hide himself from a shot like that. I will be surprised if some regulation against sniper type hunting and equipment is not put in place.
 
its not hunting these boys are talking about. its just killing, and I as a hunter don't want any part of it. 1036 yard kill and that is all it is,BFD
 
You're right. If you can't hear them breathing, it's not hunting. If you have to use a scope and a rangefinder it is too far and gives the hunter. .. ##### I mean shooter an unfair advantage.
While we're on unfair advantage we better take away binoculars because it enhances our vision. Backpacks are now unethical because it allows you to stay on the hill longer with items that give you an advantage.
Let's do this ##### with nothing but a loin cloth and a homemade knife. If you can't kill It with your bare ass hands you are not a hunter. Just a wannabe Puzzy with no skills.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-14 AT 12:22PM (MST)[p]Obviously every tool or piece of equipment is to our advantage and gives us better odds at success. That is not the debate! If we do not put reasonable limits on ourselves then we will destroy the resource, plain and simple. That is why the states have season dates, bag limits, limits on scope magnification on muzzleloaders, no electronic devices mounted to bows, etc. the list goes on and on.
I find it ridiculous and hypocrytical that many on this post have resorted to name calling and overexaggerated rebuttals to anyone who question "ethics" claiming all they are doing is dividing hunters.

Take a minute and truly think of what Demmer with B&C concluded his article with, "Some people don't like us talking about ethics, claiming it divides hunters when hunters should be united. Rallying around hunting ethics is how sportsmen did away with the anything-goes culture that nearly eliminated big game in the early days of the conservation movement. I believe doing right by the game and the traditions of hunting still unites hunters."

This anything goes mentalitly that many of you support and spew is what damn near led to the extinction of many big game species in north america, that was until hunters united and questioned our ethics within our ranks TOGETHER and came up with laws and regulations that limit our success. Debating, questioning and even limiting long range technology does NOT divide hunters. Attacking a fellow sportsman for having a different point of view or for trying to have a constructive dialogue on the negative effects of LR sniping now THAT divides hunters.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-14 AT 12:52PM (MST)[p]I'm going to say the shots are 85% luck and 15% skill anybody that flinches that much before pulling the trigger doesn't practice that much and 2 if you cant get any closer than 1000yards better rethink pulling the trigger, the fun part of hunting is seeing how close you can get to the animal using your true tactics seek, sneak, and crawl to get as close as possible that true skill and sportsmanship. A snipers skills are not just about long range shooting cause most shots for snipers are 400 yards and under but its the tactic of being undetected when moving or hiding to me that take more skill and thought than the shot.
 
Game and Fish Department already have limits, they are called the harvest % of a specific unit. If the harvest % increases due to modern equipment then less tags are issued. The last thing we need in my opinion is more government regulation.
 
>Game and Fish Department already have
>limits, they are called the
>harvest % of a specific
>unit. If the harvest %
>increases due to modern equipment
>then less tags are issued.
>The last thing we need
>in my opinion is more
>government regulation.

Same fish and game that is trying to pass the deer numbers are at 1992 levels? Same DWR that nearly eradicated the fish lake elk herd a few years back? Same DWR that has trying to change the narrative from deer numbers to buck to doe ratios? Same DWR that sells out to SFW and the like at every turn? Afraid I don't have faith in there percentages and surveys.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-14
>AT 12:22?PM (MST)

>
>Obviously every tool or piece of
>equipment is to our advantage
>and gives us better odds
>at success. That is not
>the debate! If we do
>not put reasonable limits on
>ourselves then we will destroy
>the resource, plain and simple.
>That is why the states
>have season dates, bag limits,
>limits on scope magnification on
>muzzleloaders, no electronic devices mounted
>to bows, etc. the list
>goes on and on.
>I find it ridiculous and hypocrytical
>that many on this post
>have resorted to name calling
>and overexaggerated rebuttals to anyone
>who question "ethics" claiming all
>they are doing is dividing
>hunters.
>
>Take a minute and truly think
>of what Demmer with B&C
>concluded his article with,
> "Some people don't like
>us talking about ethics, claiming
>it divides hunters when hunters
>should be united. Rallying around
>hunting ethics is how sportsmen
>did away with the anything-goes
>culture that nearly eliminated big
>game in the early days
>of the conservation movement. I
>believe doing right by the
>game and the traditions of
>hunting still unites hunters."
>
>This anything goes mentalitly that many
>of you support and spew
>is what damn near led
>to the extinction of many
>big game species in north
>america, that was until hunters
>united and questioned our ethics
>within our ranks TOGETHER and
>came up with laws and
>regulations that limit our success.
>Debating, questioning and even limiting
>long range technology does NOT
>divide hunters. Attacking a fellow
>sportsman for having a different
>point of view or for
>trying to have a constructive
>dialogue on the negative effects
>of LR sniping now THAT
>divides hunters.

The best point I have read on this subject. I personally don't care if you attack me personally, I don't know you and if I did I still wouldn't care. At some point all the "baddest man on the planet" guys are going to have to let the personalities slide and discuss the concept. Follow the concept to its logical conclusion and sitting on the couch flying your drone to kill a GPS injected elk, ain't that far off.

My confession. I have a small house. My truck is stock and a 02'. I have been married to the same woman for 20 years, and she gave my a son then a set of twins. She ain't rocking a bikini anymore. I probably have a below average shlong. I hunt birds with a 870 I got in the 80's, and big game with an 06' from 90. I have the most blue collar job imaginable. I listen to old country and old rock music. I don't score animals but the 6 point bulls on my wall, the oldest is a 5yr old. I drink Keystone and Potters Crown. NOW YOUR BADDER THAN ME OBVIOUSLY SO NOW THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. Long range killing is a negetive for the sport. 1000yrds today will be 2000 in 5 yrs, 3000 in 10. Killing everything at all times pretty much means there will be nothing. Failure to see that shows that you are simply short sighted(hopefully) or care only about yourself at all times(hopefully not). If you do not understand the difference between a rifle scope, and a ballistic computer, then your a lost cause. If somehow you equate what you spent on a gun to how great of a hunter you are, your wrong. I openly admit(and it doesn't hurt my feelings at all) that the guys who backpack in, sleep in a pup tent and hunt with a bow, are MUCH better hunters than I am. It is OK to limit yourself.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 

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