Where Do You Draw The Line?

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huntsonora

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First and foremost, it seems like I ruffled a few feathers with a comment I made about it not being respectful to post pictures that you receive via email of people you dont know on the world wide web. So to the offended parties, if you would like me to send you some tissues I will be more that happy to do so, just PM me your address and I will have a box of Puffs with Lotion(less chaffing) in the mail asap! My apologies...

That being said, where do you draw the line? I wouldnt even think of doing that, am I wrong? What am I missing? I just dont buy the arguement that because your so many parties removed from the actual guides and hunters that its OK to do that. If I had a picture of me or one of my hunters posted without my or my hunters permission I would blow a gasket.

The "no respect" comment was actually not directed at Browtine, it stems from a couple instances in the not to distant past where pictures were posted and the hunter asked for them to be removed, which they were, only to be re-posted by others that had saved the pictures to their computers. Their excuses in doing so were that they had already been posted and they now had the pictures and that they didnt care what the hunters wishes were. That to me is about as disrespectful as one hunter could be to another.

So please start explaining, I am really trying to figure out where I am missing the boat on this deal

Drum


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Over the years I have posted a ton of pics on this site of BC bucks that were sent to me via mass emails. There have been many others that I have not posted or even passed on to others because it was stated in the email that they were for my eyes only and I respected that. I guess my feeling is that a ton of people have already seen the animal in the mass emails, it certainly ain't gonna hurt anything to share those bucks to my Yanky friends on MM. The vast majority of the bucks I've posted over the years, you guys would have had no clue they even existed as BC hunters don't normally send stories and pics into magazines. Was it wrong for me to post them here? I don't think so. I think the hunter or his friends should have been more careful who they sent them to if they wanted them to remain a secret. I myself have seen my pics floatin around in the mass emails over the years. It is funny because some of my animals have even taken on the legendary status as internet lore. Did you know I killed a cougar that was 9 feet long and killed someone before I killed it? LMAO! Yup, the rumor was attached to a photo of mine where my head was cropped out. Around these parts, if you get an email with any Ministry of Forests addy attached, you can bet, the whole world of BC has seen it or will see it.
 
I dont know about everyone else, HUNT, but i've been e mailed pics and asked to post, fine, then two days later more pics show up.....I send return e mail and ask if he wanted me to post." No just wanted to share some pics with you for posting the others" he says.

It is difficult for me to cast a stone, being as i dont know for sure the background on other posted photos, but i do think a good rule of thumb should be have permission.

I also agree that if you dont want your ugly mug on the internet, be very careful who you give it to! pictures of big deer spread quick, with or with out permission!


just my 2cents
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Here's another side of the coin. Several years ago I went to a Big Buck show in Kamloops. There was a scoring booth and a ton of bucks, mounted or just the racks were hung on display for hundreds of people to look at over a long weekend show. When I went I of course brought a camera and took a bunch of pics which I shared later on MM. Then one guy that had his buck at the show posts up pissed that I shared them on MM. Tell me, was I wrong? If the guy didn't want to share his buck, why bring it to a big event where hundreds of people will be looking at it displayed with hundreds of other bucks?
 
Its ok to share his buck with the thousands that go to the show, then gets pissed that you posted......that guys confused, i dont believe you can have it both ways. You either want people to see it or you leave the f--ing buck home from the show. or put it in a little box and tell people the can look but no pics?

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I think that some of you spend way too much time worrying about stuff that really dont matter. IF you dont want your picture out there then done let it leave your hands! Good hell I can think of many other things to discuss! Waaaaa Waaaaaa!!!
 
Here's the way I look at it. You need to pay attention to who you show your pics to if you don't want them on the internet. These days you have to be extra careful and be defensive. Thats just the way it is. It's like people that have been in a car accident and it's the fault of some illegal alien with no car insurance. DUH!!!! You NEED to have uninsured motorist coverage! Same type of thing. There are ways to combat things that MAY happen. This day and age we need to watch out for ourselves and know what the consequences are.

Do I agree with someone posting someone elses pics without permission...no. Would I ever email someone my pics that I didn't want all over the internet?....no.


Steve
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-08 AT 11:09PM (MST)[p]RAM- feel free to discuss what you'd like. Your post above leaves me wondering if you capable of discussion? This is an issue that comes up on websites such as MM, if you have something to add,feel free(as you have). In my opinion you've told us alot more about yourself than you'd planned

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I tend to side with Huntsonora on this issue. It's a matter of common courtesy and respect to get someone's consent to put something out on the web, but in this day and age, common courtesy and consent seem to be endangered species.

That said, I sure did enjoy viewing the buck that Marrs Bowman displayed on the Los Cuernos de Tejas website!
 
I am with Drum on this topic.

Let the person with the harvest make any posts of pix on any website's... or for that matter...

Any pix that someone else displays in some rag-mag without the harvest-hunter submitting photo's for said rag-mag..

Robb
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-08 AT 07:31AM (MST)[p]Address sent.....

I don't normally post a question to a question.. but here goes.

Drum, your comments are an attempt to make people feel guilty/bad for posting photos on the site. Why is it that when people do that, they are being disrespectful. Kilowatt always shares photos that he gets in emails. I think its great. 9 times out of 10, im sure the people are happy when all the great comments come into play. Founder has made it a policy to remove photos if the hunter/owner doesn't want them posted.

I think you have been tainted drum... You used to be the first person to share info and rumors. It was actually fun to talk about... now its "Im not a big fan of posting pictures". I am certain you wouldn't come to this site if there were ZERO photos. As a matter of fact, SOME people on this site don't even say "congratulations". They come, lurk in the shadows, and and make little BS comments from the sidelines.

Bottom line- If someone sends out pictures to EVERYONE, who cares if they get posted on a website. I never heard Jason Gisi calling anyone to have them removed. (or his mexico buck for that matter). I apprecaite your explination on the "no respect" issue. There comes a time when your only sensoring yourself, and everyone else has already seen them. You get most of these photos in your email... most of the people on this site don't. And I would BET money you have heard a rumor and asked someone for pics. Nothing more then that here.
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Later, Brandon
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-08 AT 06:25AM (MST)[p]Hey drum, I just sent you a box of tissues.

As a matter of fact drum, in case you missed it, the policy on MM use to be that if a picture showed up on MM, it was to stay up, and we were not to take it down for any reason.

So, it's up to the poster to use discretion not up to MM to be the picture guard gate. . .

Your tissues should arrive soon, I sent a box of the ones' you like and a couple small packs that you can put in your coat pocket. . .
 
I'm with Browtine and BC boy,

If you don't want your picture shared on the web don't be sending it out. I think the feathers that get ruffled are the one's who are trying to make a dollar off this hunting business.

P.S. BC told you before---I AIN'T NO YANKEE!!
 
Drum, if you or your hunter's pics show up on the net, there's only two people to blame...YOU or YOUR HUNTER! Can't ride anyone else if the pics leak, there's only one source.

So you trust a guy, he screws you, live and learn, sole responsibility is on you.
 
How unfortunate. This reminds me of the hanging of Sadaam when someone just happened to have a phone camera recording the events and sooo many people (mainly liberals) were upset that it made to all the media outlets. This post is getting entertaining and its like the proverbial question??? Who do you want to win the Democrat or Republican nomination for president? Right now or at least at this second, I support the hunter who shot the beast for requesting the photo be taken down.
 
I have to side With Drum 100% I think that it's a poor excuse, at best, to say that just because everyone else is doing it its okay if I do to. I also wonder about people that e-mail the photos to others to post, why not post them themselves? I guess after seeing how some feel about having permission from the hunter it makes it easier for me to understand why I get photos from a lot of these same hunters; they can share without concern of them spreading. Has anyone seen the Utah Gov tag buck? Does anyone know who the hunter was? I do. There are things to be said about someone who never has to explain themselves.

BTW where are the two posts that contained the Colo. Gov tag Buck? They were after all ?E-mailed for me to post?. Everyone wants to be the guy who knows, but in truth there are only a few that are.

I enjoy seeing photos and footage of bucks that 99% of the people on this site have no clue exist-and I will continue to be able to see things like that for one small reason, I do what I'm asked every time , no excuses. I never post without permission.

Son
 
if you send pics via email to someone and you expect them to remain a secret you are mistaken. there will always be a somone who passes them along to another someone who isnt so trustworthy. there are usually only a small handful of people involved in the picture taking at the time of the kill. Obviously someone within these trustworthy groups aint so trustworthy. guys have to point the fingers at themselves if the pictures make it to the net before they make it to a magazine cover
 
Maybe I dont get it. . . why in the hell would anyone care if the picture is up? If I shot a buck that made someone want to post the pic, Id be ecstatic. I wouldnt care one way or the other where or how many times its posted. Could someone tell me why they would care? Just sounds like a reason to ##### about something to me.
 
I think the magazine boys like to be the first to pop the cherry and show the big bucks first. kind of a braggin thing between them.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-08 AT 08:36AM (MST)[p]This is just a guess but I don't think hunting Magazines will print photos without expressed written permission from the Person that took it due to the fact that the photo is technically property of that person and is somewhat protected. If you're talking about the post that is in the ?I hate elk? thread; Drum called me and asked if he could post that picture.
As to the other comment- I really dont know why people are so funny about it, but they are.

Son
 
I'm assuming a magazine would absolutely have permission before printing, i'm saying a magazine cover shot or spread shot has a lot more wow factor if not seen on the net first. i don't know.
 
depends on how the picture is used and where it's taken. If its public land, and it later is used for editorial purpose, it's not necessary to get permission. It's smart, but not necessary.

This about how news papers work. they take millions of photos every day, and very rarely do they get permission to print the photos. . .

So, it depends. If I took the shot, on my camera, on public land I could later sell it to muley crazy and they could print it for editorial purposes. If they used it in an add, they could be nailed.
 
Over the years since I learned to post pictures, I have received so many pictures via e-mail that sometimes I even posted twice. Out of all of the pictures I have posted, I only heard from maybe two or three who wanted to know where I got the pictures and how.
I answered them and said they were sent to me by a friend and "IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM ON INTERNET, DON'T LET ANYONE HAVE THE PICTURES".
My friend who sends me a lot of them tells me when "for my eyes only" and I don't post them.

My thought's on this subject is, without any pictures it would be kind of dead around here with out pictures to view.

Last year I was even sent pictures of Randy Ulmer's buck that he got in Colorado, from none other than his partner/guide. That in it's self says to me they wanted them on here before any magazine or why send them out.
Maybe they knew someone else had the pictures and they wanted to beat the others to me to post first...LOL
I don't know but if someone is going to get PO'd make sure that no pictures are released without the shooters OK.

If I don't post pictures like I have in the past, gee I can save a few bucks and not donate to Photobucket for unlimited storage space.........

Brian
 
This is a joke as mentioned above, if you
don't want them seen, don't send them.

If you send them to good friends and they
get posted then that is your friends fault.
Take it out on them.

As for an outfitter getting upset at pics
being posted, to me it is a good thing
to show your success.

If the hunter does not want them spread
then it is your fault.

No offense but I am not one to post my
own pics, that is my preference, I like
to show close friends the pics and that
about it, I killed a bull on a LE unit
this year and a Buck in CO but no pictures
were given out. That is just my decision.

I love to see other pics, So keep them
coming, If you are so worried about them
being posted don't even carry a camera!

JUST MY OPINION!
 
Bottom line is, if you don't want your pics posted then don't email them to people. And if you simply want the credit to go to you or your business/website then put a watermark on them. Right or wrong, if you send them, they will post them.
 
Same thing happened to Pamela Andersen & Paris Hilton with their porno vids.... Boo.... Freakin... Whoo...
 
>I think the magazine boys like
>to be the first to
>pop the cherry and show
>the big bucks first. kind
>of a braggin thing between
>them.

Ditto'
 
I tell my kids all the time not to wear dirty shoes in the house, but they still do it! Imagin that?
Find something else to B##cH about...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-08 AT 12:19PM (MST)[p]>depends on how the picture is
>used and where it's taken.
>If its public land, and
>it later is used for
>editorial purpose, it's not necessary
>to get permission. It's
>smart, but not necessary.
>
>This about how news papers work.
> they take millions of
>photos every day, and very
>rarely do they get permission
>to print the photos. .
>.
>
>So, it depends. If
>I took the shot, on
>my camera, on public land
>I could later sell it
>to muley crazy and they
>could print it for editorial
>purposes. If they used
>it in an add, they
>could be nailed.

Whoooaaa here.

Photos the staff of a magazine or newspaper shoot are one issue and can certainly be published for editorial use without the permission of anyone IN the photo as long as such photo is not mispresented, i.e. such as running your pix along with an article on child molesters, or used for commercial puproses, as you mention.

In contrast...it is not only unethical, but also against copyright laws, to reproduce SOMEONE ELSE'S work -- a photo they took -- without their express permission. Thus, if someone grabs one of your or my photos from here and uses it on their web site or puts it in a magazine without permission, they have violated the copyright statutes. -TONY
 
I jus thought of another implication to this Browtine, if it weren't for those two Tooele dudes friend who posted up there picture here they would proly have never got caught poaching those two monster bucks, just happened from that photo people figured it out. Very doubtful they would have ever posted it themselves knowing what they had done.
 
like I said, if it's for editorial purposes and I took it on public property, even if the shots of private scenes or onto private property from public, I can do with it what I choose so long as I dont use if for marketing. As for defamation, well, that's a whole other issue not really related to this thread.

Really, if you did not take the shot, it's not yours to distribute, so if someone posts your photo, you have a choice, ask them to take it down, if they dont, sue them and lose, or just forget about it.

If you dont copyright your work youre never going to win a case such as what Tony brings up.

If someone takes my shots from MM and markets them, I'll go after them, but I also register my images so that in the event that I find them on a website being used for marketing or used without my permission, i can sue with a chance to win. . . does not mean I will, but the copyright office know's they are mine and so will a judge. . .
 
"If someone takes my shots from MM and markets them, I'll go after them, but I also register my images so that in the event that I find them on a website being used for marketing or used without my permission, I can sue with a chance to win. . . does not mean I will, but the copyright office know's they are mine and so will a judge. . .""

Not necessary to register anything before the fact. As soon as someone creates something that falls under copyright regulation (art, photos, books etc.), it is automatically copyrighted and OWNED by the creator. The only time it actually requires being officially registered is prior to filing a legal action against someone who infringed on said creation. Plus, it's downright expensive to register every photo prior to having a need.

I've gone the above route three times over the last 35 years and won judgements in each of them. The most recent was about five years ago when an artist used one of my photos for a painting and later sold prints of that painting.

This a good place to keep abreast of the copyright statutes. http://www.copyright.gov/ -TONY
 
"Not necessary to register anything before the fact. As soon as someone creates something that falls under copyright regulation (art, photos, books etc.), it is automatically copyrighted and OWNED by the creator."

that is true, but if they are registered -- it's not that expensive and I'm not suggesting it is for everyone -- you will have a good case, without it, youre almost pushing rope now a days. . .
 
Why do people even care if there animal posted? If they email it to someone, why wouldn't they expect someone to post it.

My suggestion is for those few who do not want pic's posted, do not take it to the Taxidermist, take a few pics and put them in a safety deposit box. Then, destroy all of the evidence.
 

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