shed hunter killing deer

Robiland

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Its long but you have to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday Hawkeye went out to see some deer at Traverse Mountain. He called and said that he saw quite a few nice bucks. It is all PRIVATE PROPERTY and CLEARLY MARKED! So he watched and saw a few that had dropped both sides and a few with only one side.

So we went out to look at them. As we pulled up, we saw a grey dodge pick up with nobody inside that was parked up the hill a ways. So we started glassing and sure enough, there they were, walking right at the deer. Guess how we spotted them???? 20-30 deer running in the snow straight away from the people. The snow was knee deep on the deer in most areas and more or less in other areas. As they walked around the hills and the flat, we could always find right where they were due to the steady line of deer running away from the bunches of oak brush and sage brush that the people were walking in.

It was a man and his daughter and son. The doughter had 3 nice 4x4 sheds, one matching. The dad had 4 or five very nice 4x4 sheds, and the son had only 1 shed that we could see.

It gets better!!!!

Not only were the deer running for the 2 hours we watched but they drove up to us. I think that they knew something was up. The dad came over to us and explained that it is private property. We agreed. It was clearly marked. He let us know that he did not have permission but the RIGHT to go in there because he's the project manager on all of the building of homes and property. WGARA!!(Who Gives A Rats Ars) He exclaimed that he has turned in 3 convicted poachers, has 22 dna samples of poached deer, and just this week chased 3 men on 4-wheelers out of there that were chasing deer.

We let him know that those are not his deer to hurass and that it is against the law and with the amount of snow and the lack of food and the poor shape of the deer herd, that he sould not be out there pressuring the deer.

He said and I quote, "You are probably one of those guys that sits there and read MONSTERMULEYS web site every day and hear about how bad the deer are." Once again we agreed, but we also stated that it was common sense to see the deer in bad shape.

I called th dwr. Now lets see if they come through. I have pictures of truck, people with sheds in hands, liscence plate # and pictures of the people. Its amazing what a camara can do.

What do you all think.
 
Its an epidemic!

Thank you for taking the time to get photographs and to call the right people. It might be very dificult to prove that they were "harassing" wildlife but if thats part of the area that has a shed season maybe they'll get tagged.

A friend of mine called in some guys the other day and the Game Warden told him that wildlife harrassment is VERY difficult to prove.

Drum


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He sounds a little shady when he offers up the statement, "He has turned in 3 convicted poachers, has 22 dna samples of poached deer, and just this week chased 3 men on 4-wheelers out of there that were chasing deer."

That just sounds like somebody trying to cover something up. Whether harrasing deer or... something bigger.

Has he been down to the Henry's lately?

CS
"Helping turn good tags, into great ones." - VIP Optics
 
Make sure if you don't hear from the DWL you call them again. That guy needs a lesson and a ticket from the warden. Keep on him. Good job in getting all the pictures. You do us honest hunters proud.
 
The guy obviously new he was doing wrong. Him coming up to you and trying to justify what he was doing clearly shows it.

I sometimes wonder if most of these idiots really value the sheds when they steal them. I think they are just worried that someone else will get them and they won't.
 
Every year these stories get more unbelievable and pathetic. I hope his ass is nailed. Good for you. mtmuley
 
I agree completely with all of you....the guy with the kids was a bad guy and I hope they arrest him for harassing the deer.

The statement was made that he stole the sheds. Is that figuratively, or is there a specific season? I'm from Idaho, but I don't hunt sheds here, either.
 
im the son of the guy they are talking about. i was on my way to meet my dad so i didnt have to walk through all the deer and get them all running. so i was walkin up to the main road and i look up and see two guys staring at me. as soon as i got there they started accusing me of moving the deer around which i was doing but they were only running 50 to 100 yards. me and my dad did see a bobcat there that was moving some deer around. my mom and dad pulled up to pick me up. NOT to talk to these guys and defend themselves which they didnt need to do anyway cause we didnt do anything wrong. i think its ridiculous this guy is accusing us of harassing deer when we know exactly how far they will go and where they will be. my dad spends a lot of his time filling up water troughs for the deer after the springs run out of water so they dont have to cross SR-92 to get water and get hit.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-08 AT 07:58PM (MST)[p]If he reads MM then he is probably reading this now. It sounds like he needs to be gut shot and left for..........


What about trespassing charges?
 
I would ask that this blog does not get blasted I would like every one to read all of it. I am willing to take my lumps on this. Keep a open mind when you read this and if you reply don't hide behind some stupid web name have the guts to sign it with your full name. I liken posting on the web to driving in your car. You can say anything you want are act as stupid as we want because no one knows who you are. Karl


I am that guy that he refers to above. They may have watched me and my wife and son today ( by the way my wife was flattered that you thought she was my daughter), I have no problem with what I did with my family today. I spend countless hours on that mountain. Since I started in the winter 03 we have had 22 deer poached at Traverse Mountain. 8 in 03, 5 in 04, 3 in 05, 4 in 06 and 2 last winter. Two of those were does where someone took part of the meat. These are deer that had heads cut off and we found Carcases before they got cleaned up by the coyotes. One bull elk last winter. There have been three poachers that have been identified. One lived in Alpine another in Spanish Fork and the third is a hometown boy from Lehi. The one from Lehi we had cited again for trespassing last year. We have not found any deer this year. That does not meen it has not happened. Of those deer I know that 7 of them were mature bucks. Based on the fact that all of the known poachers lived within 45 miles of the point that means there are probably between 7 and 17 heads hanging in houses along the Wasatch front that were killed out of season. Everyone gets worked up about a couple of deer on the Henrys but that is nothing compared to what I believe is happening. If you would have asked me before I started at Traverse that 8 deer were going to get poached the first year I would have said no-way. At first I would warn people it was private ground and ask them to stay off only to catch sometimes the next day trespassing again. So I stepped it up and cited anyone I caught. I also hired a security company to help patrol the property. I also installed 300 No Tresspassing Signs. ( I replaced these at a rate of about fifty a year ripped out by trespassers) I have put in four gates that have been ripped out numerous times. I have had Lehi PD cite around 153 people after all of this for trespassing. All of them were doing something related to the big game on the property. There are six people out of this crowd who I know are regulars on this site. One has over 1200 posts last time I checked. There are pictures on this cite every year that I know were taken at Traverse and not from cars on sr-92. Every one of these guys ( and one lady) are appauled when I talk to them about poaching. What does all of this mean? It means that I have probably talked to cited or chased poachers on a regular basis every year since I started. I talk to peaple all the time who claim to know some one who sneeks in to shed hunt every year. But no-one is knocking down doors to turn them in. But if you are one of these people send me a email and give me a name. It might save me the aggrivation of chasing them around the hills all day or night. I am sure all I will get is hate mail and no help. [email protected] On to another subject Over the last five years I have caught or chased 13 archery hunters during the extended Wasatch Hunt This is a pretty select group of people who take a course on boundries and ethics. Every year they hunt in Utah County. And when caught all of of a sudden have a problem reading boundry maps. If I catch them they are at least seven miles as the crow flies away from the boundry. I know a lot of guys who hunt this unit and enjoy it but I could see the day when it won't happen anymore.

On to today I made a conscious decesion to go out and pick up these horns. In the middle of the day so everyone would know they have been picked up. Because it stands to reson that the same guys who I talk to down on the highway are the same bone-heads I have not yet caught. Or have caught and they do not mind paying a ticket. I went up to a guy down on sr-92 last month to talk to him and he did not want to tell us his name because he admitted he knew two guys on four wheelers who we could not catch that morning.
I did push deer around today. I also push deer when I spend countless hours on foot,horseback and in my pickup everyday on that mountain. I have been in the same area I was today three times in the last weak to check security equipment. I will be there tomorrow and on till the deer move out this summer.

I make no apolagies for what I did today(as it relates to picking up the sheds.) The one thing I did wrong was jump on a couple of guys who were doing the right thing by watching me on the mountain. In hind site I should have gave them a buisness card and thanked them for caring. Over the years I have developed a bad attitude about shed hunters and other folks who I have encountered on the mountain. I have been spit on, had guys want to fight me, and been flat out scared when I later found out that a guy I had a encounter with took a shot at a game warden in Wyoming. (one of are mounster muley posters dad. both convicted poachers) Have since seen him there again just let him go not worth dying over. I have heard all kinds of reasones over the years why people are there. My favorite is a guy who gave me my own name as the person who gave him permission. Or maybe the one who used the Mayor's name in Lehi.(My cousion) It goes on fore-ever. Chances are if you know who I am then its because We have met on the mountain. I have learned to become a cold hearted jerk and assume the worst in people and what happened today has made me think about that.If I catch you on the mountain the Jerk part still applies and the chances are getting better that I will thanks to modern tech.

I devote a large amount of time to protecting the deer at Traverse Mountain. I am also a hunter. I also make my living in the devopepment buisness and understand that in a few years there will be houses on all of this ground. Most of the guys who I have caught have been in the same line of work but there have been doctors,lawyers,policemen and a butcher.I remember him because he is one of the few guys who made me laugh while the fish and game was giving us a ride down to where his truck was parked. 4 miles away in Draper one tough dude steep hiking.

ONCE AGAIN Keep a open mind when responding to this post on this thread and do not hide behind some stupid web name if you do not have the guts to sign with your name then keep your opinions to yourself.


Karl Karren
 
It does not look to me like anyone is lying, as the stories do match up.i would say it comes down to a moral thing,you say you protect the deer on traverse but i guess thats a matter of oppion. To me protecting something does not mean stopping other people from doing something that you yourself has no problem doing. If you feel that you are doing the right thing by chasing the deer around one day and then calling someone in the next then that is a problem with you.
Cameron Powell

Just Living The Dream
 
Good read Karl. Thanks for posting and giving us your insights. Hopefully we can learn from this. Sometimes deer get moved for ligitiment reasons. Not saying either party is right or wrong. But he facts show shwed hunters are becoming more and more irresponsible.

Yelum
 
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-08 AT 08:53PM (MST)[p]Thanks for posting both sides of the story. Please understand that there are a lot of idiots out there who don't care about the deer and are pushing them as hard as they can for a few measly antlers and killing the deer in the process.

The bottom line is there a lot more concerned hunters and sportsman that are all of the same opinion that we should take it easy on the animals right now. Any pressure right now is a bad thing and while some of it is necessary, there for darn sure is a lot of unnecessary pressure too. I am not judging anyone's actions I was not able to witness but I do hope everyone does all they can to lessen their impact on the animals right now.

Also if you want to find my info - PM me. I'll be glad to let you know all about me in a more controlled circumstance.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
Having not been there I will not comment directly about the confrontation. What I will say is that when we have heavy snow and deer struggling, I believe it is flat out wrong to be out chasing them for any reason. Whether you own the land/lease the land/trespass on the land/public land/etc.

I think there is NO better past time than spending time in the outdoors with your family. I applaud you for doing that. I believe your actions today were only wrong in the timing of them. Could it not have waited a few weeks/months. You could just as easily sat in your vehicle and watched the moutain to protect the deer. Sheds can be picked up later.

As for your conflicts with shed hunters/deer hunters. These criminals were wrong. I applaud you in your efforts to curb that behavior and hope you continue to do so. I hope they all get caught and punished.

I would hope you can at least see the arguement of stressing the deer. Whether you agree or not, it is a very valid arguement. No one can stop you, but maybe you could wait a few weeks? I wish you luck in your future and thank you for coming on here and discussing this with us. That took guts. Have a great night.

Chad Doyle
Riverton, Utah
 
You were there yesterday, who was out there today? I drove past that place and saw a guy and girl walking across the open field to the gas station with sheds. They were almost to SR92 when I saw them and I never stopped.. Those deer will NEVER get a break :(

I looked at the deer an hour later and they were waaaaaay high....


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Later, Brandon
 
I think before accusing people you should get the facts right first! And to the sick guy that says that he should be gut shot I think you should be in a mental institution!

My hats off to anyone who takes the time to protect the deer, I have seen first hand the time and effort that this individual "KarL" has done in behalf of protecting the deer on this huge project. There are many out there that have no respect for a "No Trespassing" sign and think that is not criminal to ignore them! You have no idea how many people are out there claiming to be the "good guy" and they have bad intent. I know that Karl has worked closely with the Fish and Game in trying to prevent poaching and they appreciate his time and efforts greatly. It's got to be quite exhausting to be chasing around all of these idiots and not knowing who is actually innocent and who is just waiting to "gut shot" him! Most people would have thrown in the towel by now and thought it's not worth it. You should be glad that there are people like Karl out there protecting and caring about the future of the deer and this project. If he wants to go out and shed horn hunt sometimes and has permission from the owners then I think of anyone he has earned the right!I think he is smart enough and has proved through his efforts in protecting the deer that he wouldn't endanger them in any way!

For the comment about the gut shot you are one SICK DUDE and I think all of us should be more worried that there are people like him walking around us out there! AMAZING!

And for the comment that was first posted comment, you guys aren't man enough to do what he does and has committed to the last few years and you're probably just jealous that you can't do it yourself (if you had the you know whats to do it anyways which i doubt)!

I also know that this is a residential area and the residents have permission to hike in the hills. So are you going to shoot all of these residents for going up there stirring up the deer? Sooner or later the deer in this area are going to move up or learn to live with the people. The growth is unevitable whether we like it or not! If you don't like it move out to ELKO or something!
 
SO I GUESS IF YOU WEAR SNO-CAMO THE UDWR CAN'T SEE YOU HUH???

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I think I'm going to puke! Not only is this guy out harassing deer, he's working for a developer that's destroying habitat & then thinking he's a hero for running everyone else off ... Urrrrrp! Maybe I read this post wrong but I don't think so. As far as posting names goes PM me I don't have anything to hide.

RUS
 
I appreciate the fact that you can come on here and openly attempt to defend your position. Fact is you are doing more harm than good. I too applaud the efforts in trying to curb the poaching problem on this property, however, I see one problem with this story. If everyone can see you and your family walking on the mountain, why couldn't you do the same from the road? If you are there as much as you say you are then what is the problem monitoring the trespassers from the road? Traverse Mountain is full of roads. There is no reason to walk up there and disturb these deer. The statement that they "only run 50 to 100 yards" is pretty stupid. Those deer expend a lot of energy to run belly deep in snow for 100 yards. I believe your story and intentions, but you seriously need to rethink your rationale.

Jim Hiatt


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LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-08 AT 10:23PM (MST)[p]Ageed. The attempt to thwart poaching is commendable. thats where i see the good deed ending! Do it from the road, take the same pictures that these other kids got of you, go to the DWR with the proof.



All for a piece of bone.........what a shame.If you run that buck around long enough and stress him enough that will be the last set he ever drops!

Edit: add up the 100 or so yards per day day per person he has to get away from....it adds up. Not just the pushing you do.

JD McPhie


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Bobcatt, I have nothing to hide unlike peaple who use web names to make stupid comments man up and put a name on it!! I have spent the last few hours looking at the cost to stop poaching(I do not know if i have stopped it are they are just getting better at hiding it.) in Lehi I work around 4000 acres. With the cost of security (48,000$ a year) my own time,other employees sighns,gates, cameras it has cost well over $500,000.00 I have also had some great help from a few UDWR OFFICERS. So you wonder why you can,t find a decent buck in most rural areas of the state. You do the math. The fish and game have a impossible task. Before all of you out of staters get going with the Utard comments I believe the problem is not just a local thing.

Brandon. I was there today, yesterday the last 60 days and will be there every day for the next 2 months. I was not in snow camo do not have any. But if there was some-one there today in snow camo I am disapointed I missed it. I have found that if some-one is wearing snow camo they are just as easy to spot as any-one else. My guess is that coment is from one of the peaple who know who i am and I have had some interaction with that just wanted a free shot at me. That would have been my wife and I you saw today. As I stated eirlier I parked in the open and walked in the open.

AS to who owns the land it is all private and posted to the point of being redicules.

Karl Karren
 
That was one big contradiction. Protect, Protect, Protect was the recurring theme, yet you're out pushing deer around during their most stressful period to collect some sheds??? If someone really has the animals best interests in mind, they will leave them the hell alone this time of year.
 
There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for pushing deer around on the wintering ground! None whatsoever!

On one hand you talk about how much good you do and how much time and money you spend to "protect" these deer then in the next breath your trying to defend your actions of disturbing these deer while they are in their most vunerable state.

Seriously, is an antler worth that much to you?

If you post and protect this piece of ground as much as you say you do then these antlers will be there when the snow melts. Especially if your there as much as you say you are.

You are setting a horrible example not only for your son, who obviously sees no problem with having a deer "only run 50 to 100 yards" in snow, but with the general public. There are a ton of guys just on this website that have seen you out shed hunting, I can only imagine the competitive streak coming out in some of the people watching you and it wount be long before everybody is out picking up sheds no matter how deep the snow.

If you have permission to shed hunt there and your not breaking any laws then just tell us you dont care what anybody thinks but dont piss on our heads and tell us its raining and try to convince us that your picking up sheds is protecting the deer. Give me a damn break!

If you want to spend quality time with your family then do it doing something other than running deer all over a mountain.

I dont know you so I am not going to say your a bad person but I will say that your a person making some really bad decisions. I am glad you sacked up and posted what you did and I really hope you take a moment to ask yourself if its really worth it. If your honest with yourself you'll see that its not!

Drum



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Let me see if i understand you Karl.

You are saying that you've spend 500,000 thousand on stopping poaching? or stopping trespassing on private winter range land that will soon be houses, that you have access to .and occasionally if you are out walking around trying to thwart poachers and happen to pick up all the sheds that you find so no one else will be tempted?

Sounds legit to me. I could give a rats azz about a shed, i do give a rats azz about harrassment of the deer, for what ever reason! watch out for poachers from the comfort of your truck and pick up the sheds in april!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 07:01AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 06:54?AM (MST)

"On to today I made a conscious decesion to go out and pick up these horns. In the middle of the day so everyone would know they have been picked up."

Because every person who might pick those sheds up was watching you???
Not buying that one.

As far as the deer were concerned you were no better than the trespassers THAT DAY.

It sounds like you have been trying to do what's best for the animals, this was a bad decision.

keep at it.
 
thats the LAMEST excuse i've ever heard to go in and pick up the sheds. Dude pull your head out of your @ss and think about what you are doing to the deer.

YOU put the "U" in Utard.
 
This is a good thread read so I'll put in my 10 cents also. As a few people know on this site my wife and I are fanatical about shed hunting. And we find a lot of horn every year. We get fired up about people harassing the wildlife also. It even turns my stomach to see people SITTING on a Buck waiting for the horns to drop but nothing legally can be done. And this year has been the worst we've seen so far on the animals here in Wyoming. So we haven't even TRIED to go look for an antler even though I have a lot of bucks spotted that have already dropped and these were all seen from a major highways or oil field access roads. I already know of a few antlers already picked up and there isn't a heck of a lot you can do about it except in your own mind set an example. So thats what we are doing.

And as for Karl and his crew from what I understand this is all occurring on private ground. Well as a being a private land owner myself I respect private property rights and legally nothing can be done, Morally yes. As far as the people watching Karl are they on private property? If so what are they doing there in the first place? First thing to do is set an example and MAYBE alot of other people will follow.

Now if this is Federal or State Ground it would be totally different story.
 
Hope Karl has picked up some good sheds for spending half-mill and running distressed deer in deep snow. Wonder how much he will make developing more prime deer habitat. Sounds a little self-serving to me in his efforts to catch poachers.

Ed Yenick, Jr.
Reno, Nevada

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 09:32AM (MST)[p]No matter how much good Karl has done for the deer on that mountain he illegally harvested sheds....to me that equals poaching. No different than illegally harvesting a deer.
 
Well, I'll throw my two cents in here:

Karl,

Thank you for all the effort, time, and money you put in keeping an eye on the deer and turning it poachers. Its something not a lot of us do, and it is commendable. However, I agree with what others are saying, there is NO reason to be out amongst the deer right now. I can understand if you are patrolling the borders on horseback and you bump a few deer, but if you are walking around right into the midst of them to pick up a couple of drops, then you arent doing anything different than the trespassers.

As to the OP, Im glad to see there are guys out there that are questioning things when they dont seem right. All of us as sportsman need to keep a vigilant eye on what is going on around us, whether it is on public or private land....because the animals belong to all of us. Just because the deer are wintering on private land, doesnt mean they will be there come hunting season. I sure as heck will call in anything I think looks a little off.

Scott
 
Are these deer on one of the feeding program, If not you might want to try this Karl, You tell those guys who really want to hunt sheds to come out with a bunch of pellets and after the snow has moved up the hill they can come out and shed hunt BUT they have to feed the deer until they move back up the hill, NOW you will have a bunch of guys keeping a eye on your land and deer,Because they will not want to see some-one come in and steal their horns. Seems like this would work, What do you think.
 
Good, that is what needs to be done. Hope he gets punished.

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>I was
>not in snow camo do
>not have any. But if
>there was some-one there today
>in snow camo I am
>disapointed I missed it. I
>have found that if some-one
>is wearing snow camo they
>are just as easy to
>spot as any-one else. My
>guess is that coment is
>from one of the peaple
>who know who i am
>and I have had some
>interaction with that just wanted
>a free shot at me.

>That would have been my
>wife and I you saw
>today. As I stated eirlier
>I parked in the open
>and walked in the open.

Riiiigggttttt... I just made up the snow camo comment to get back at you, whoever you are! Its all about you!

I have never met you, and after this post I have zero interest in meeting you. I haven't been up in those hills since Micron was built years ago, but I do commute daily past it on my way to SLC. I like watching deer during the winter but I do not shed hunt and could care less about it.

Its interesting I post about people up there running around the deer, then someone else posts seeing someone running around the deer... then you come on and admit to running around the deer, but my original comment was only to get in a "free shot at you". Thats some amazing logic there. Really, I dont think anyone needs to get in a free shot... you are doing a great job of shooting yourself LOL

I think if you took a straw poll here, on personal reputations, I'd put money on what the results would be :). I dont just go around trashing people... I wrote what I saw, but I can tell you your perception that I only wrote it to discredit you, is blatently false... whoever you are.


-DallanC
 
Nothing better than being on the sideline watching a bunch of Utards go at it...:)
 
Karl

What you are doing is being a hypocritical POS. You may not be pulling the trigger on a big buck; but chasing them around like you are I am sure you have killed way more than 17 since you have been there. Way to go!

Those damn horns aren't worth killing our deer over whether you have permission or not!

I also watch that area but unlike you I have never got out of my truck to pick up a lousy shed. If I see a SOB walking around up there I also turn them in.

Scott W.




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all i can say is have you ever found a dead fawn curled up to its dead mother? well i have and it was in an area where i know people were pushing deer during the winter months. its a vary sobering sight.

Just Living The Dream
 
I guess I look at this long term. If I read it right, this guys job is to put a lot of houses on apparently prime wintering ground. So he can do all the good he wants, but in the end, he destroying the habitat. He's got to live with it.

I know if he doesn't someone else will, Too bad the MDF or RMEF or Utah game dept couldn't have bought it first.

The big issue is habitat. In a few years it doesn't sound like it will matter. That's a shame
 
since you took a whole bunch of pictures of us why dont you put some up so everybody can see we were not wearing snow camo. i guess if you call wranglers a black tshirt and a green yellow and red beanie on then yeah you caught me!!
basinboyjr
 
>since you took a whole bunch
>of pictures of us why
>dont you put some up
>so everybody can see we
>were not wearing snow camo.
>i guess if you call
>wranglers a black tshirt and
>a green yellow and red
>beanie on then yeah you
>caught me!!
>basinboyjr


I think you've missed the point of this entire thread...

DL


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LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 03:49PM (MST)[p]I hate to say this. Its against everything I stand for (which ain't much). But - this SHED crap is out of control. I saw 3 SHED hunters on the hills of SL and UTah county yesterday - none were the people in the original story on this thread - different areas. One was wearing camo - really concealed him. Unreal. The deer are having enough of a struggle.

I hate govt involvement, but there needs to be a SHED season in the Central Region. And, someone needs to enforce it!!!
 
Wow....

I just read this entire thread and I must say that I think it's great that you are keeping people out and turning in poachers. But the only reason you are doing this is so that you can be the only on the mountain that is shed hunting. I'm sorry but this logic doesn't make sense at all to me or anyone else.

You are the ones putting stress on the deer instead of the people that you run off. What you need to do is watch from a distance and report people and quit harassing the deer. Don't monopolize the mountain for yourself. That is completely hypocritical and you know it. This is why we are getting the childlish responses from you that we are getting on here.

Ckarr- No one cares what you were wearing. Like Huntsonora says, you have missed the entire thread if that is all you have gotten out of this conversation. You know you are wrong for doing what you are doing, after all, you are the same ones running off others that are doing the same things you are. You know you are wrong in that aspect so act like the responsible people that you claim you are and own up to it.
 
STAY TUNED MM'ERS!!!

HEY KARL!!!

I MUST ASK FIRST???

ARE YOU RELATED TO THE KARRENS OUT HERE IN THE BASIN???

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION KARL!!!

UP UNTIL 1 WEEK AGO I HAD ALL MY INFO LISTED & HAVE DONE SINCE I ENTERED THIS SITE SEVERAL YEARS AGO!!!

YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME???

ASK FOUNDER OR Browtine!!!

THANKS TO A HACKER THAT HACKED ME ABOUT 2 WEEKS AGO I DECIDED ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH & REMOVED MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!!!

ITS BEEN POSTED ON THIS SITE MANY TIMES & NEARLY EVERY MM MEMBER THAT WANTS IT HAS ALREADY GOT IT!!!

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH READING LURKING YOU'VE DONE ON THIS SITE BUT THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS I LIVE IN ALTAMONT,UTAH US OF A!!!

IF THAT COMMENT PI$$ED YOU OFF THAT I MADE WELL SOBEIT!!!

YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY PERSON ON THE MOUNTAIN HELPING OUT,MOST ETHICAL HUNTERS WILL PUT MANY HOURS,DAYS IN EVERY YEAR & YOU'LL NEVER HEAR THEM BRAGGING ABOUT IT ONCE,MANY OF THEM RIGHT HERE ON THIS SITE!!!

I AGREE,DWR OFFICERS HAVE MORE WORK THAN THEY CAN POSSIBLY DO!!!

THAT BEING KNOWN & AGREED UPON,WHY THE HELL ARE YOU UP THERE PUSHING DEER AROUND IN DEEP SNOW JUST TO COLLECT A FEW PISSCUTTER SHEDS???

I'M NOT ONE TO ACCUSE SOMEBODY OF SOMETHING I NEVER SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES,YOU ADMITTED IT,NOW YOU CAN EXPLAIN JUST WTF YOU THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVE???

THE TWO PRIOR POSTS I MADE MUST OF REALLY BOTHERED YOU???

THIS $HIT IS OUT OF HAND & I DON'T CARE IF YOU LIKE WHAT I'VE SAID OR NOT!!!

I'VE GOT TO GET BACK TO WORK FOR A FEW HOURS!!!

I'LL BE HOME AROUND 8:00 TONIGHT!!!

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME JUST CALL ME AFTER 8:00 TONIGHT,I'LL PM YOU THE PHONE NUMBER!!!

YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT DOESN'T KNOW MY NAME IS ROBERT BESS!!!







THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
STAY TUNED MM'ERS!!!

Karl!!!

CHECK POST # 54 UP ABOVE!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
just so you all know my dad is watching a trespasser in snow camo shed hunting just west of micron right now. and if your really serious about not wanting anybody chasing the deer around go help him catch this trespasser. his number is 897-0552
basinboyjr
 
I don't live out west and have never shed hunted but after reading this thread I believe no matter what we say, Karl will still think he did nothing wrong. I applaud your effort to keep people honest during the season, but you are really doing the same thing at a different time. It is STILL against the law to harass the animals, no matter who's land it is and that's what you're doing.
You want people to be "a man" and put their name down. Hell you're no better than the people you bust. No name deserved IMO.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 06:07PM (MST)[p]

You must feel left out colby? all those guys out on the side of the hill pushing deer "just a little bit?" why dont you call him(your dad) and he can come pick you up?

It seems like the thinking of your family is that ya'll have exclusive rights to walk this property whenever you'd like and pick up the sheds there-in. But you dont have the right to stress the deer any more than the other guys! LEAVE THE DEER ALONE!
I'm done with it, ya'll are making me sick

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Let me spell it out for ya'll-you backwood rednecks! One is breaking the law and one was not! Do you want me to explain it again... one is trespassing and the others had permission!
GOOD GRIEF! I don't think he's up there killing deer if he has been protecting them for 5 years!
 
I never said that you were up there in snow camo. Some one els did. I have alot of pictures and I am waiting to see if the Dwr will step up and do something with it in the next 3 days.

If not, I would love to post the pics that I have. I will have to have some one so that for me, I am not sure how to do it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 07:07PM (MST)[p]Good god tina, (they've sent in mom to fix us country folks straight!)
SHUT MOUTH ---OPEN EARS!

Every one is doing illegal chit! whether it is trespassing or harassing the deer in the name of saving them....Stay out of there, save them from the truck you deaf azz city folk!

If ya'll was dogs harassing deer everyday, DWR would shoot ya down! Its a very serious issue
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/16228.html
 
protecting them is not pushing them.

But I do have to say that bunch of BS about 50 to 100 yards. I know I was on the highway, but from the bottom of the flats to the top of the hill is more like 200 to 500 yards of more. Depends on all the different groups of deer and all the different hills that ther were RUNNING UP!
 
Nobody likes to see deer harrassed, or run around like that, but come on! The buyers are waiting! And everybody knows "fresh brown" pays more! And you can get $9.99 for a good 3 point on ebay!

Sorry, deer! Money is more important!

How sad!
 
How is it that everyone else is trespassing and stressing out the deer except you guys?

Me no figure.
 
>Let me spell it out for
>ya'll-you backwood rednecks! One
>is breaking the law and
>one was not! Do you
>want me to explain it
>again... one is trespassing and
>the others had permission!
>GOOD GRIEF! I don't think he's
>up there killing deer if
>he has been protecting them
>for 5 years!

Wow! Do I have a book for you "Making Friends and Influencing People"....actually, Im not too sure reading is your strong point, because reading comprehnsion obviously isnt. I dont see anyone saying that you guys are doing anything illegal by being on the property...we all understand that you guys have the owners permission. What people are saying, is that by you being up there picking up horns, you are pushing the deer around and putting more unneeded stress on them, which some people conisder to be HARRASSING WILDLIFE, which is illegal and in many people's opinions unethical.

The stress being put on the deer during this winter is outrageous and whether or not you beleive it, many deer will die from the pressure being put on them from shed hunters, like you and your family, and all those others who cant wait for the snow to melt off to a reasonable level before they go running the deer all over the mountains, waiting for their headgear to drop. I personally dont have problem with shed hunters, but I do have a problem with people harrassing wildlife, that I and every other hunter in the state, have a vested interest in.

Im sure your husband has done a lot of good for the wildlife in the area, but unfortunately in life, often times one bad deed can overshadow all the good deeds!

I agree with the opinions made, if you really want to help the deer, then watch them from the road. You can justify it all you want, but you are NOT helping the deer by picking up their sheds and sending them running for higher ground and deeper snow.
 
"Let me spell it out for ya'll-you backwood rednecks! One is breaking the law and one was not! Do you want me to explain it again... one is trespassing and the others had permission!
GOOD GRIEF! I don't think he's up there killing deer if he has been protecting them for 5 years!"

Listen up lady ... This guy started this post & he's getting hammered for it. He has a total disregard for the animals he claims he's protecting. As far as "ya'll backwoods rednecks" goes, most people on this site have done more and have more respect for wildlife than your dimwitted son or cousin or what ever he is. Lady! get a new handle ... you're embrassing the rest of us in So. Utah.

RUS
 
I wish bobcatbess, tageater, and Jim Hiatt were all running for President, I sure as hell would vote for you guys......Your words are gospel to me. None of this "chit" will ever end, but if the DWR would put a state wide ban on shed hunting,(even private land owners) until the summer months it might help some.
Scott Rackman
 
I cannot believe the mother and the son are
still thinking it is ok, It is great that
he is turning in poachers, but come on!
If you love the animals so much, leave them
the hell alone.

Any stress at all on animals this time of
year is not good, I don't care how much
snow there is.

Do you think it is a good idea to be out
spooking deer during fawning time?

Or the night before your hunt opens?

The Karrens need to think way beyond
there simple minded heads.

Why do you think states like Utah, Wyoming,
and Colorado set up laws to protect animals
during this time of year?
 
Stgeorge, from your comments we all can tell you're pretty clueless. Your husband my not be shooting and killing deer with a gun but by running them around in deep snow the result will be the same, DEAD DEER!!!!!!

Another example of a Utard teaching his son the finer points of being a Utard. The Utards Motto; "Ethics and rules are for everyone else".

Steve Tillman, Sandy, Utah

If you want my phone # and address, wifes madden name just send me a PM. Hypocrite.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 07:39PM (MST)[p]BIG- (*said with sarcasm*) they dont care about the sheds(they probably throw them away) as the only reason they are picking them up is so that no one else will even bother to trespass on "their" land, knowing that the karrens have picked them all up already.

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Like said above, the size of sheds
I could care less about, Don't get
me wrong I love shed antlers, but
these people have to get a grip
on reality.

They are not above the law!!!
 
So basinboy, what is your answer now? Are you gonna wait until April or May to go shed hunting or are you gonna keep on shed hunting now????? fatrooster.

Drew Edwards, Elko, Nevada.
 
>Let me spell it out for
>ya'll-you backwood rednecks! One
>is breaking the law and
>one was not! Do you
>want me to explain it
>again... one is trespassing and
>the others had permission!
>GOOD GRIEF! I don't think he's
>up there killing deer if
>he has been protecting them
>for 5 years!


Why dont you go on down and speak with a wildlife biologist and see what they have to tell you? My guess is that they would agree with the backwood rednecks.

Seriously, dont be pissed because backwood rednecks have called out your husband for being ignorant and they are 100% justified in doing so.

I doubt you'll talk to a biologist though, from what I am told ignorance is bliss and why would you want to ruin a good thing?

Instead of coming on here slamming people that care about the welfare of the deer why dont you go wash some snow camo and iron a shirt...

DL


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I shed hunt as hard as anyone here that is a promise but chaseing deer doing it is not right I have been by there and I am up in the traverse area daily having a day with the family is great don't do it at the deer's expense wait til they move off that is the sportsmans way

sonny white
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My username is Hawkeye and I am the brother-in-law of Robiland. I was with Robiland on Sunday afternoon when we witnessed the unfortunate incident involving Karl and his family. I live in Highland and enjoy watching the deer that winter on Traverse Mountain. I am by no means perfect but I try my best to respect the animals and do things in an ethical and honest way. For instance, I will not enter the Traverse Mountain property because I know it is posted as private property. That is why I watch the deer and elk from a distance on the side of the highway.

Over the last few weeks, I have watched the deer and elk wintering on Traverse Mountain. There are 50-100 elk and several hundred deer. During that period of time, I have seen once really nice bull, several rag horns and several nice bucks. Like most ethical hunters, I am grateful for the moisture we are receiving this winter but I am concerned that we are going to lose a large number of our game animals due to the unusual snow levels. As the snow levels have increased over the last few weeks, I have watched the deer and elk move down off of the foothills and into the sage brush flats. It is obvious to anyone with two eyes and a brain that the deer are in bad shape this year. They are struggling to move around in the deep snow and find sufficient food.

On Saturday February 9th, I spent an hour or two glassing the deer and elk from the highway. I saw several nice bucks, a few of which had already dropped at least one antler. I noticed that the majority of the deer were very low in the flats, only 400 to 500 yards from the highway. There were a few deer up high on the South facing slopes but most of them were down in the scrub oak and sage brush.

The next day, Robiland and I decided to go back and check out the deer again. As we pulled off the road, we immediately noticed that something was not right. Where there were hundreds of deer the day before (in the flats), there now were no deer. Even worse, we could see large groups of deer running in single file lines through the deep snow up the mountain. As we glassed to flats to see what was stirring up the deer, we noticed three individuals in show shoes gathering sheds. Karl and his son both had on back packs with shed antlers strapped to their packs. Karl?s wife was not wearing a pack but was carrying 3 or 4 fresh deer sheds. As we watched the group work their way west along the foothills, their movements were marked by groups of deer traveling up the mountain away from them. As Robiland explained, we knew where they were at all times just by watching for the deer they were pushing.

Robiland and I were both frustrated by what we saw. In a year when the deer are in bad shape and struggling to survive, it is simply inexcusable to be pushing deer in an effort to gather sheds. As a result, we called the DWR and reported what we saw - a group of people harassing wildlife. The DWR officer we spoke with informed us that it is improper and illegal to push or harass wildlife, especially under the extreme conditions we are experiencing this year. However, there were no officers available to respond to our call. Therefore, he asked us to get the license plate number of the vehicle and a description of the individuals involved. We followed the officer?s instructions and gathered the necessary information. In addition, Robiland snapped several pictures of the vehicle in question and the individuals with their treasured shed antlers.

Karl and his wife eventually made their way back to the East side of the property where their truck was parked. Their son, however, followed the base of the foothills all the way to the West side of the property. Although he claims he did this so he would not have to walk back through the deer, that simply is not true. All of the deer on the East side of the property had already been pushed clear up the mountain. As he traveled West, he pushed a steady line of deer out ahead of him. Besides, he could have easily walked straight South to the highway if he was truly concerned about pressuring deer. Instead, he choose to follow the base of the foothills where the deer were located in hopes of finding more sheds. Robiland and I decided to drive around and see if had another vehicle parked over there. When we arrived, we saw him approaching the paved road. We took several pictures to provide to the DWR and then asked him what he was doing. He was quick to point out that it was private property and he had permission to enter. I then asked him if he noticed that he was disturbing large numbers of animals. He tried to blame that on a ?coyote and bobcat? that were chasing them. It was about this time that daddy arrived on the scene. I will not rehash out entire conversation with Karl, but needless to say it was obvious that although he admitted they were ?pushing deer,? he was intent on justifying his actions.

I am not posting this information to feed a fire storm or to provoke people into making foolish and threatening statements towards us or Karl. That is not appropriate and is warranted. Rather, I simply want to explain that Robiland and I saw something that (in our minds) was wrong, unethical and illegal and so we reported it to the DWR. I also have to say that I was disappointed at the way Karl responded to the situation. Had he simple told us (1) that he was the developer?s project manager; (2) that he had permission to access the property; and (3) that when he noticed they were disturbing the deer he decided to stop, there would have been no confrontation. Instead, he lectured us on the fact that he had the right to do whatever he wanted because it was his property (and he had lengthy track record in assisting the DWR).

Lastly, there are several points that need to be clarified. First, I am glad to hear that Karl has worked closely over the years with the DWR to stop poachers and protect the deer in question. However, on the day in question, Karl?s actions were just as detrimental as the poachers and trespassers he complains of. In my mind, there is simply nor reason to pressure deer at this time of year. They are simply too vulnerable.

Second, Karl and his son both lectured us on the fact that they had ?the right? to be on the property. This is not a question of trespassing. I do not dispute that Karl and his family had the right to enter the property. The issue is whether it was appropriate, ethical and lawful to push several hundred deer just to pick up some fresh bone. Why couldn't they have simply waited 2 or 3 weeks and gathered the sheds after the deer have moved back up into the foothills?

Third, Karl and his son claim that they only pushed the deer 50 to 100 yards. That simple is not true. From a distance you could see large groups of deer running out of the flats and up the mountain. On Saturday, there were literally hundreds of deer in the flats. By the time the infamous ?shed trip? was over, almost of those animals had been pushed up the mountain. I watched deer struggle through snow past their knees. Karl and his family were wearing snow shoes but the deer weren't so lucky.


Fourth, it should be clear that neither Robiland or I ever entered to property. We respected the private property signs and stayed on the road.

Finally, I hope we all learn from this incident. In a season when sportsmen and the DWR are coming together to gather donations and feed the deer in an effort to minimize the winter kill, I hope we all exercise a little discretion and common sense. I like sheds just as much as the next guy. But a fresh shed is not worth distressing and potentially harming the animals we love to hunt. In closing, this issue has been reported to the DWR and their investigation will run its course. Personally, I believe that what I saw Sunday was wrong and merits some type of citation. However, that is up to the DWR.

I hope my post answers some of the lingering questions and help prevent situations like this in the future. Karl, I have no personal issue with you or your son but I hope this does not happen in the future. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions or disagree with what I have said. You can contact me via this post or through a pm.

Hawkeye
 
Hawkeye,

Excellent post. Thank you for coming on here and sharing your side of what happened, and doing it in a way that was respectful and informative. I also appreciate that you and Robiland took the time to report to the DWR, what you both felt was a violation of law. I think many sportsman see things that they feel are questionable, but dont make that call because they feel that nothing will be done or its too much of a hassle. We need more sportsmen and women like you guys doing the right thing. I hope there are people out there that will read this and will realize how detremental it is to our deer herds to be out pushing them around and stressing them out to the point of exhaustion and many times death.

Please let us know what if anything you hear back from the DWR.

Scott
 
It cracks me up that some guys can post pics of Elk and Deer in snow up to their waist, and everyone will say:
" Nice Photo, way to go."

Then another guy picks up some sheds and gets ratted out, and we all say: "He is an idiot, leave them alone."

Look from the roads Guys, all of you leave them alone.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-08 AT 10:35PM (MST)[p]Hey there bow, you ever heard of a telephoto lense? Most of the elk and deer I am seeing are right by the roads and would pose no problem shooting a good photo from the truck with a camera using a zoom lense. Be careful that you don't lump some people that are doing exactly what you suggest with those like the Karens that are using questionable judgement.

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
New to this board, but Im diggin how you folks are taking people obviously in the wrong to task. I love a shed as much as the next guy, but it is just wrong to cause any additional stress to our beloved deer this time of year.
Maybe peer pressure can be a good thing?
 
>Wait, Wait, Wait....... So WE are
>the "rednecks", but jr describes
>his attire as the following;
>
>
>"wranglers a black tshirt (nascar?) and
>a green yellow and red
>beanie "
>
>Riiiight................
>
>Andy
>
>-----------------------------------------------
>http://www.trophyblogger.com/Andymansavage

Dude, that is so damn funny!

DL


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Awholelota,

Sounds like you are doing it right, good job.
Take a look at the pics posted on this sight, it is obvious when the deer or elk are being pushed.
 
Has anyone been cited yet?


WE ARE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING FOR THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS!!!

If the DWR sits on their hands for this one, let us know.
 
>Has anyone been cited yet?
>
>
>WE ARE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING FOR THE
>LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS!!!
>
>If the DWR sits on their
>hands for this one, let
>us know.


ZIGGA - if its private property, no one will be cited EVER.

This whole situation is just plain wrong. Shed hunters are getting a real bad name because of a few relentless IDIOTS.
 
Anyone know who owns the land this crime is taking place? I wonder if the landowner knows what is going on to collect some sheds on the property?
 
it was posted that because its private property that no one will be cited. while i know that would be true for the shed hunting part of it, my question is what about the wildlife harrasment? does that law not apply on private?
 
It should have something to do with it but unfortunately its a very vague law and unless there is video of this happening it will come down to your word against theirs.

Thats why, when i hear the arguement that you need to just enforce the laws that are in place and that no new laws are needed, it leaves me scratching my head. I just dont feel that this law is very enforceable and its very easy to get a around. Basically its nothing but a grey area. Laws need to be written that are black and white in order to protect these deer. Until that is done then people like Karl will continue to engage in this type of disgusting self-serving behavior...

DL

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All the DWR has to do is cite the individual(s) for harrassment and let the county attorney sort this out. But it sounds like they will be too busy sitting on their hands. Make it easy and change the laws so there will be no shed hunting until April or May 1st. Then the line will be clearly drawn. Too bad deer and elk will suffer until there becomes a law. It's a shame lack of ethics is what gets laws created.
 
There was a prostitute out hooking on the corner last night so I hurried over there and picked her up....You know, so no one else would be tempted to. Lol. I?M JOKING, but it makes about as much sense as his reason to go and pick up the sheds.

Son
 
The problem is that even though a citation may be written a person is still innocent untl proven guilty and to be proven guilty it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. There has to be hard evidence proving that these guys did indeed harass wildlife. In a court of law you wont get a conviction on one word vs another.

Some folks here think i am just against shed hunters and that is simply not true, i am against people that put themselves first and the animals second.

We all need to be responsible stewards of the habitat that these animals need to get through the winter months. We all need to hold ourselves accountable before we try to hold others accountable, Karl has not yet grasped this concept. I guarantee that Karl is not the only one, I am positive that there are people on this site that need to look in the mirror as well.

It doesnt take much crap to ruin a 5 gallon bucket of ice cream....

DL

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I don't know how much land they own now, but at one time most of the land on Traverse Mtn was owned by those who own, WW Clyde, Geneva Rock, Sunroc and Beehive Insurance.

I worked for HE Davies at one time and they owned that before they changed the name to Sunroc.
 
Having no first hand knowledge of what transpired on Traverse mountain, I won't comment on that issue. But everyone should think twice before wanting the DWR to cite people for harassing ("pushing") wildlife on their own property.

How many people have deer in their backyards in SLC right now? What about the elk and deer in Heber, etc.? As I leave my office I often "spook" deer just walking across the parking lot to get in my car. And driving away also seems to push the deer. I am not intentionally trying to harass the deer. I try to avoid producing any additional stress when possible. I do, however, have the right to go to my car or use my property in the typical way of a homeowner. No doubt if I build a shed "out back" it will not only harass the wildlife right now, but remove some additional habitat in the long run. There will always be these unfortunate conflicts when we live so near to wildlife.

I know the examples I have given are not the same as the huge piece of private property at Traverse Mountain. If everyone took some effort to use a little common sense we wouldn't have these lenthy discussions. But advocating a citation for harassment of wildlife for being on land you own (or legally manage) is not the solution.

Clearly as the developer, he has the right to bring in a D-9 tomorrow and start clearing ground for houses or whatever. That would cause far more harm. Sounding self-righteous didn't help from an emotional perspective, but people need to think about the bigger picture. I don't believe there will ever be any citations issued, nor should their be. Some restraint and common sense would be appreciated by many of us, however.

Bill
 
You are missing the point llama. The deer were pushed up high. Not across the street as if someone was just getting in their car. Big difference. I guess it depends on who you believe in this case but it sounds like the deer were displaced on a mountain, not someone's yard.
 
Posted By basinboy.

""On to today I made a conscious decesion to go out and pick up these horns. In the middle of the day so everyone would know they have been picked up. Because it stands to reson that the same guys who I talk to down on the highway are the same bone-heads I have not yet caught. Or have caught and they do not mind paying a ticket. I went up to a guy down on sr-92 last month to talk to him and he did not want to tell us his name because he admitted he knew two guys on four wheelers who we could not catch that morning.
I did push deer around today. I also push deer when I spend countless hours on foot,horseback and in my pickup everyday on that mountain. I have been in the same area I was today three times in the last weak to check security equipment. I will be there tomorrow and on till the deer move out this summer.

I make no apolagies for what I did today""


The Idiot admits to and I quote "pushing the deer around" witch I would call harasing the deer. It should be easy to get a convition of him, his dumb wife, and redneck son.(who also admits to pudhing the deer) And he has no apolagies for it.

Rob, and Hawkeye just direct the F&G to this post, plenty of proof of there harasment of wildlife in there own posts.






Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Breaks down to no more than GREED!
Landowners have trespassers and yahoo's poaching deer and sheds so then they figure why wait because someone else will get them if I don't just like many do on public lands.
In the end both sides are just a guilty.

I had a huge eye opener when I moved into prime hunting grounds three years ago. I would bet I hear more than (50%) of the locals think it's fine and dandy to chase deer on ATV's and an alarming amount that think hunting outside season is normal. Really sickening.
The DOW needs all of us to report these incidents because they are so understaffed it's like pissing on a volcano and trying to put it out.
Even then the cases they pursue are by worst offenses first priority due to the shortage of manpower....Then the people who used to report now say why bother nothing was done. Can you say FRUSTRATING as hell?. Don't give up fellas!
We need more DOW officers to enable more follow up to give these rats a wake up call and to enforce already existing laws.
END of Story.
My opinion.
Jerry

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just call it what it is and say your worried about people trespassing on a piece of land you monoplize, and thats fine. next time save your half mill buy me a swaro spotter pay me 15 bucks an hour and i will watch that mountain like a hawk.


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