Idaho Wolves

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Any Idaho resident apposed to wolves should check out this website. We're trying to get enough signatures to put the wolf reintroduction on this years electoral ballot. If successful, we'll be voting for the right to choose for ourselves whether or not the Canadian wolf belongs in our state instead of having the federal government tell us what to do. All you have to do is be registered to vote, and sign this petition in any one of the locations listed at this website.

http://www.saveourelk.com/
 
WOW! You can believe what you want about wolves, but I watched on "movie" on that piece of crap website and its pretty clear I wouldn't believe anything you see on there.

FAKE!
 
I guess everyone is wolfed out.[not very many replies].I've seen that website before and even though I don't live in Idaho and didn't watch any of the "movies", I believe what their saying on the rest of the site is true.I have seen what the wolves are doing in Wy. on several deer hunts and it's not pretty.The wolf lovers as a majority only have one agenda. And that is to leave the wolves alone and let them do whatever they want.Even if it means killing all the other wildlife.I mean come on, when a USFW wolf management member, when asked what are the wolves going to do when they kill all the elk and deer in a given area replies that they won't eat themselves out of house and home.I don't think there living in reality.What are they going to do when it comes down to one animal left? Leave it alone so as not to kill them all! they'll eat it then move on to where they can find more food.
 
They are moving in to alot of new country. In 2006 we did not even see a wolf track in our hunting area. We saw at least 80 deer a day. In 2007 we saw four wolves (3 in one group and one single). We saw wolf tracks in every basin and the most deer we saw in a day was about 15.
Mike Henne
 
Hey,Buckstops-What made you think the website was fake?Was it the partially eaten but still alive elk and deer on there?You know,the ones that the wolves had a great time killing,took a few bites,then left to finish dying on their own?If you think for one second the wolves don't do this,you've got your head in the sand.You only get to read what the mainstream media wants you to know-and they definitely don't want you to know what's REALLY happening with the wolves.That website tells it like it is.Period.
 
I think the website pretty much blamed every carcass on wolves. Did they witness all these killings? Animals just die sometimes and every hillbilly redneck wants to blame it on the wolves. They are a deadly predator no doubt but I've heard some dandy stories from wolf haters and if what they say is true then you better not leave your kids outside unattended. The bs gets a little deep sometimes and that website is a pretty good example. How many of those pics were actually roadkill? Neighborhood dogs will kill if they are left unsupervised. Starvation, old age and sickness is also devastating. Every spring when more people get out in the hills and they come across carcasses we hear about how the animal was killed by wolves. It's quite hysterical. I'm all for wolf management, even shoot on site outside YNP but complete annihilation is never going to happen. We all need to work together and manage all game.
 
Zigga-I totally agree with you on most of your points.However,there is so much misinformation(or lack of) from the mainstream media on wolves.First off,let me tell you I'm from Wyoming,so I see first hand how this works.I'm a member of the Sweetwater county predator board.2 yrs ago,the state legislature mandated that 3 sportsmen and 1 at-large member be added to the predator board,along with ranching interests.I'm quite sure that most people will exaggerate their position on any issue to make their point of view seem stronger.However,what I said in my previous post was not BS.Wolves are recreational killers when they can be.If game(or livestock)is plentiful,they "practice".Some cases of wolf predation on livestock are reported in the statewide papers,most are not.It's kind of on a regional basis.Very little,if any wildlife kills are reported.About 4 yrs ago,a pack of wolves attacked a flock of penned sheep near Farson.They killed 33 of them.This was not an isolated incident,and probably didn't make any news broadcasts or papers outside the state.It was an especially egregious and gruesome event,though,which made it news-worthy to main-stream media.This incident was not wolves needing a meal.It was not wolves attacking the"sick and older" animals(as the wolf advocates claim they only do).This was merely recreational killing-that's all that can be said about it!NONE of the sheep were feasted upon!Now,I'm not in favor of extermination of wolves.In fact,I think they're a pretty neat critter,and look forward to the day I see one in the wild.A wolf kill is as obvious as any other predator kill-the evidence is pretty compelling in most cases.Maybe the guys on the website need to take some pics of the surrounding area to further prove their point.The area looks like a tornado went through there,and the obvious signs of struggle from the prey tells a very gruesome story.I don't think these guys need to put misinformation on their website.There is plenty of true evidence to make their point.Once again,those of you who don't think the wolf is like what I just claimed above and in my previous post need to pull your heads out of the sand.Don't believe everything you read.They only print what they want you to know,usually biased to their own POV.I can only assume you guys don't live in "wolf" states.Let's keep 'em managed.NT.
 
Nontypical,

I don't know how they manage livestock killing wolves in Idaho and Wyoming but in Montana they die really quick. Problem solved. As far as wolves killing penned sheep goes, I know wolves kill for fun and won't question you on all the specifics, but HOW IN THE HEII DO THEY GET AWAY WITH KILLING 33 FOR GOD'S SAKE? IN A PEN?? I've heard of domesticated dogs doing a lot of killing and some inbred half domesticated wolves gone wild but who is going to let wild free ranging wolves kill 33 sheep in a pen? I'm sure it happens but the ranchers are supposed to get reimbursed for their loss. If we were allowed to hunt wolves then they would smarten up fast and hang out where they are supposed to. I'm optimistic in thinking these kinds of problems will be gone for the most part in a few years of wolf hunting and the big game populations will bounce back in areas that are now suffering. Those that think wolves need to be exterminated once and for all are living a pipe dream though. Either way, we are dealing with the government. They are going to do what they want to do.
 
Those sheep were not in a small pen.My bad if That's what I made it sound like.They were in a fenced enclosure(?),and were left unattended for a couple of days or something like that.I'm sure some Montana and Idaho wolves that prey on livestock are not found and killed ASAP(if ever),just like in Wyo.As far as problem solved,that is only until the next incident.Or the next.It's kind of like drugs.No matter how many you take off the streets,more appear.Same problem,but you can't just quit trying to stop the problem.As far as reimbursement,there is none for the image burned into your brain of the carnage created at the scene when you first get there.Kinda like walking up on bad car accident.That memory etches itself in your mind.Depending on which rumor you want to believe,there have been 10 wolves killed in Wyoming since last Friday.I hope you are right,Zigga,about the wolf wising up after being hunted.These wolves aren't going to go away-ever.Like you say,it's Federal,and they always do what they want.
 
If it were up to me I'd wave a wand and get rid of every wolf in Idaho, but I have to face reality, it's not going to happen. Hopefully the management plan can keep their population controlled, but I have real doubts, I think the population will continue to grow until we have devasting effects on game herds and of course hunting will significantly decrease. Sounds like what the liberals and main stream media wants without having to take our guns away. If they loved wolves so much why didn't they put them back east, there's plenty of places for them, and they were once there!
People think the ranchers and farmers get reimbursed for wolf kills, dream on. Go and talk to them you'll get your eyes opened. Most of us hunt out west, think about it. The live stock are in places that aren't seen every day and by the time a wolf kill is discovered you can't tell what killed it. If you can't prove it was wolf guess what, you don't get reimbursed!
Yeah, lets all get along, as long as the liberals and PETA weirdo's get their way. They will never quit until they have it all their way.
 
Devistating effects??? its already happend...the traditional winter grounds in the Boise Area where usually there are 10,000 elk now only have 100 to 200 this winter....pretty sad.
 
Unfortunately elkhorn I wish I could argue with you, but there are a number of areas I would not consider going elk hunting any more because of the devasting effect of the wolves in those areas. Like a cancer they will continue to spread until they are every where causing the same damage. I wish the IDFG would declare wolf free areas, where if any wolves are spotted they are immediately dispensed with so that we would have some areas that are left to humans. I must be a weirdo, thinking humans count!
 
Well my experience it finding elk in traditional wintering grounds near Boise differs a bit. 3 weeks ago just riding my quad up the middle fork road above the resevoir I counted about 400 elk in two hours. There were very fresh wolf tracks in soft dirt on the road also. The elk seemed healthy, but they were in smaller groups of 10-15, but all over the mountain. There were at least 1000 elk on the flats between SE Boise and Mountain Home this winter. Now maybe 20 years ago there were twice that many and I don't doubt that certain parts of the state are much more affected, but in the past 4 years I have not had a hard time finding elk in Unit 39, except for Nov 1-9(gen season), but I think the other 10000 elk hunters has something to do with that.

I can't wait to put in for my wolf tag though, those tracks had to be made by at least a 150lb dog.
 

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