2008 doe deer permit #s

desertpointbrian

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looking in the 2008 anterless proc there are 8 less hunts for doe deer. most of them being in the northern part but some in other areas.this is a good thing
 
I think that depends on who you talk to!! Some like doe hunts and think it helps the herd and others think they are bad for the herd. I've shot a few does in my day and I think the meat is a lot better and the hunt was in place to thin deer numbers. Win-Win!

Steve
 
there are 230 less permits in my favorite deer area alone. with the harsh winter these deer had and the declining numbers altogether the last few years definantly a good thing that the dwr has shut down the doe tags for this year.
 
I've only shot does on accident while flock shooting bucks.I heard they taste good but have never troubled myself to retrieve one. Might have to salvage one one of these days.....

JB
 
Wiszard you keep telling yourself that it is good for the herd. What a crock of crap. You people will believe any thing the great DWR says. It is not good and never will be. I cant believe any one would even admit to shooting a female. It cant be fun or very sporting.
 
I think doe hunts should be allowed for youth where it makes sense.

Drymountain, doe hunts are just another tool in managing deer herds. Mostly here in the West it cannot be used to often. There are several places back east where you are required to take a doe before you can shoot a buck.
 
Really Drymountain???? Please explain... oh and could you also back your statements with something other than your own opinion ie... facts!

Donnie
 
Drymountain, why cant it be fun or sporting. Give me a break. For a kid or a guy that may get to hunt once a year it would be a hell of a thrill.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-29-08 AT 08:42PM (MST)[p]>I've only shot does on accident
>while flock shooting bucks.I heard
>they taste good but have
>never troubled myself to retrieve
>one. Might have to salvage
>one one of these days.....
>
>
>JB

i hope you are trying to be funny well i guess even if you are your not. the reason for the post was for well the udwr actually did something right this year by eliminating doe hunts where needed. and for those of you who like to hunt doe deer you still can in the spots where there are enough deer
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-29-08
>AT 08:42?PM (MST)

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>>I've only shot does on accident
>>while flock shooting bucks.I heard
>>they taste good but have
>>never troubled myself to retrieve
>>one. Might have to salvage
>>one one of these days.....
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>>JB
>
>i hope you are trying to
>be funny well i guess
>even if you are your
>not. the reason for the
>post was for well the
>udwr actually did something right
>this year by eliminating doe
>hunts where needed. and for
>those of you who like
>to hunt doe deer you
>still can in the spots
>where there are enough deer
>


I really only try to amuse myself.....but your response is amusing too...lol

JB
 
WHAT A BUNCH OF PISSCUTTIN DOE SHOOTIN FOOLS!!!

THIS AIN'T BACK EAST!!!

THERE SHOULDN'T BE A FRICKEN DOE HUNT NOWHERE IN NORTHERN UTAH!!!

PERIOD!!!

END OF DISCUSSION!!!

THIS $HIT GOES FOR ALL REGIONS IN UTAH!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
I'm not familiar with whats going on in Utah but I'm sure its just as you describe it bess. I think the general statement that was made before though was that does should never be harvested, I'd like to see facts that support that statement. I of course disagree.

Donnie
 
Drymountain, BESSY and all the other weenies that disagree with shooting does- I live in California, not in Utah. Like I said, it depends on who you talk to. This was a youth hunt and my Dad thought it would be a great way to harvest my first big game animal. I agree with him and I will do the same for my daughter next year when she is 12. As a hunter who wants to pass this heritage onto their kids, doe hunts are a great way for youth to taste success. Have you ever hunted the A zone in southern California? I bet you haven't. Unless you've got private land to hunt on, you'll be lucky to see a decent buck around my location. I have no problem shooting does if the tag says antlerless on it! I don't know how it is in Utah, but in California the deer numbers are better in certain areas than other areas. This hunt was on a military base where the numbers of does was out of control. That is why they have the doe hunt. In drought years, would you rather leave the forage for the bucks or the does. I'm not going to get into an arguement about what is right or wrong. I strongly feel they are great for a youth hunt. You've got your opinions and I've got mine. That is just the way it is. You guys are so quick to judge someone without knowing the circumstances.

Steve
 
Your right on Wiszard. Some "know it alls" always have to come off as they are better and smarter than everyone else.

I know what your saying about the A Zones. If you like hunting in 100 degree heat in August its for you and if you get a forky that is an accomplishment.

Not sure where you are in So Cal but, the youth hunts were always a decent deal in CA. My oldest did well on those getting a couple of bucks and a youth antelope hunt as well.

Some of those hunts a doe is not a lay down either.
 
It's all in the numbers of the deer herd. Like you said in your first post, dersertpointbrian, no doe tags are being issued because of the harsh winter. We don't have harsh winters so we'll always have doe hunts. I don't think those against doe hunts see that reasoning. No biggie!!

Steve
 
Its not the winters always in CA you got to worry about. A Fish and Game officer told me the reason the season starts in July (archery) is that some of these deer have a hard time finding enough food in the summer. Come July and Aug, its brown dry low nourishment grass if anything at all.

CA deer hunting may suck, but it is hunting and always fun.
 
Steve the Wizard says;
"Have you ever hunted the A zone in southern California? I bet you haven't. Unless you've got private land to hunt on, you'll be lucky to see a decent buck around my location."


Steve, i'm surprised that you are limited to hunting public in your area. Seems a nice guy like yourself with a young one or two in tow could round up a nice place to hunt in a weekend or two if only you asked the right person for permission.

I'd hit the backroads looking for farms and ranch houses. Swaller that pride of yours a tad, drive up that driveway and politely ask the man if he could see clear to allow you to hunt a piece of his property. Most fellows will at least respect you for being a man and asking. At best you may develope a friendship and a place to hunt for years. At worst, someone might be rude, but that's on them.

Once you do get permission after maybe a few or many inquires, i believe you would know how to please the landowner, just be yourself, be respectful, follow his wishes...be nice. A few fish or bag of fruit now and again doesn't hurt either. I know this can be done, seen it many times over, gets done all the time, just takes some asking.

Good luck!
Joey
 
Wiszard you just made my point. If you and all your cronies wouldnt shoot the does in A zone or any where else, maybe their would be some bucks to shoot later. If you dont know, the only way for more bucks to be alive is from the does that give birth to them.( did you know that) That is why you CALI hunters come to UTAH and COLO. is you shot all the does in your state. The deer hunting in Utah has sucked since the earley 70s. But the DWR keeps shooting does and they cant figure out why the herd wont grow. If you shoot a doe you not only kill her but the fawns she will have for lets say the next 6 years. And half them fawns are probably does so you just eliminated them from having fawns and so on and so on and so on. It is only common sense. I like the way you bring the kids into it to. I teach my kids and grand kids not to shoot does so there might be something to hunt in the future. Maybe you should teach them not to shoot does and tell them that the herd will grow if you dont. Go shoot jack rabbits if you want to let them have sucess. If you dont there wont be any thing to hunt later. Wiszard you made my point real good you just cant figure out why the hunting in Cali sucks. Dont kill any lions but shoot all the does. (MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME)
 
Drymountain, For the most part i agree with what you're saying. I'm from Cali, the northern part, and have never shot a doe in my life, never will. That said, there are areas that need thinning and if a deer herd is overrunning it's habitat, maybe a doe hunt for those that pay and wish to hunt them is in order.

What i don't care for is your attitude about Calif hunters, bunching everybody into one neat packege to throw blame at. Just because some of the most rude people that i have ever ran into while hunting were Utah hunters, shot everything that moved but wouldn't care to point you to a gas station, doesn't mean there are not some nice people out there that are good serious hunters.

You sound bitter, why don't you blame your own state for giving out three tags to every out of state hunter. It's not Kali hunter's that hurt our state and It's not Kali guys that hurt your state... look within!

Joey
 
Doe hunts in Ca. have to be approved by the state legislature. The F&G can only suggest them. Very difficult to get the state legislators of Ca to approve any additional "death" of defenseless animals.

JB
 
sage you are right. I am not bitter though. Just telling it like it is. Dont beleive everything the DWR tells you.
 
Drymountain- I mentioned in my post that every area is different. The areas that hold doe hunts won't support the amount of deer that are there. That's why they have the hunts. They are held in areas that do not have lush green farm fields that the deer pour into and can feed all night until their bellies are full. Our deer seasons are way earlier than the normal western states. We hunt in August through the first week in Sept where the temperature is anywhere from 70 to over 100 degrees. We don't typically get a ton of rain so the feed is an issue. I can't say what it is like in Utah but I can speak about how it is in my local area. Yes, does give birth to bucks, I see your reasoning...however, they also give birth to does. If you don't take the does out and continue to shoot only bucks, the buck to doe ration will certainly go down.

Steve

Joey- getting permission around here is not that easy. Most of the landowners only allow family members to hunt. And some don't allow hunting at all. It is not as easy as you think. I wish it was. I think even God would have a hard time getting permission!!!
 
And....about the mountain lion situation...they are protected by law. I guarantee 99% of Cali hunters would love to change that law. We have far too many lions and hunters would shoot them on the spot if we could.

Steve
 
Steve, yeah, i get a kick how guys from other states think the lion situation, is us hunters fault. Riiiight!, heavy sarcasim. Actually considering just how many hunters there are in Kali, we do pretty good. A lot of anti's are based right here, we're still here too. Our money, us hunters, can be proud of what we do and what we've done.

I know it can be tough to get permission. A lot of people know this also...that's why they don't even bother to ask. You might be surprised Steve. Like you say is true but you knock on enough doors, sooner or later someone is going to let you hunt. It's the asking that's the hard part, i've been there, but people respect you for doing so and some, some will help you just because you did ask. S'up to you buddy, like i said, what you got to lose?... and, it's setting a good example for your kids.

joey
 
You're right...what would I have to lose! The worst thing they could say is no. I've got a little 115 acre piece I can hunt on about 25 minutes from my house but I've only seen one legal buck on it. I didn't hunt it last year just because it is kind of boring to hunt. The only way to hunt it is to sit over this big bowl and wait for deer to feed in the bowl. I don't like to hunt that way. I like to keep moving and find the deer. I don't see how those whitetail hunters sit in a stand so long. I appreciate the encouragement on finding a private piece to hunt. Just maybe I'll take your advice.

Steve
 
>I've only shot does on accident
>while flock shooting bucks.I heard
>they taste good but have
>never troubled myself to retrieve
>one. Might have to salvage
>one one of these days.....
>
>
>JB


I thought that was funny also..

I agree Wizard about shooting does. They have doe hunts every year at a couple of Army bases in CA and that's one of the reasons the herds on the bases are balanced better.. buck to doe ratio than other parts of the state that are over run with does. The other positive thing about doe hunts are when the older non-productive does are culled out. There is no way to tell a older non productive doe from a mature doe that is productive but a percentage of barron does will get culled. I am no biologist by any means but I can do simple math.. and the higher the buck to doe ratio the better the hunting. Manage the deer on a herd by herd basis and one thing that cannot be argued is each herd only has so much habitat and that habitat can only support x amount of deer.
That's my .02 worth..

Jim
 
I dont know about you boys, but here in Utah we dont have enough deer to reached max habitat. Pretty dang stupid statment about saying the higher buck to doe ratios the better the hunting. What if you have 1 to 1 ratios for bucks and does, but you only have ten animals. I guess that makes the hunting good because the buck to doe ratios are good. (Freek how stupid.) One buck can service many many does which in turn makes fawns. Doesnt that make more deer know matter how you look at it. I cant figure out how shooting does makes the hunting better.
 
1 to 1 is the same as 100 to 100! It just depends on how many deer there are. What it comes down to is how many deer the habitat can sustain. Would you rather have 100 does and 25 bucks or 75 does and 25 bucks competing for the same amount of food? Does that make sense? Like I said before, it all depends on how many deer the habitat can accomodate.

Steve
 
LAST EDITED ON May-31-08 AT 05:20PM (MST)[p]Drymountain said;
"One buck can service many many does which in turn makes fawns."

I agree with you there. When deer #'s are down, a doe hunt makes no sence at all.

If "some doe hunts" are offered in areas with historically low nunbers of deer and good habitat going unused, the States Game dept is selling out the herd, plain and simple."
 
Sage that is what is going on in my part of the country. The DWR Wants the money not the game.
 
Drymountain, This area where i live, IMO is down near 90% of what it was in the 60's and early 70's. Can you believe that? Ask me about doe hunts, i'm basically against them.

Then there are areas like where Steve lives, Blacktail, lots of deer, lots of cars...they can take a few does and not hurt the herd. Like we are all saying, it's about the habitat and the individual unit whether it could or should not be held. I lean toward never enough deer...no doe hunts...but i see the other side of the coin as well.

That post where a guy was asking what kind of deer he should let his son take for his first one, i said let him take any BUCK, forkie or better that HE, the kid, wanted. For a young hunter i really do think they should be incourged to take even a small buck, something they can be proud of and get kudo's later on, from anyone that they talk to about their first hunt. Hunting Does, kinda splits the ranks a bit.

joey
 
Well, now you're just talking pride. Where you see shooting a doe as a kids first big game animal "splitting the ranks", I see it as teaching and raising the possibility of success for a youth that may or may not continue hunting if not successful. If a child is not successful at a new venture, more times than not they will not pursue it. I didn't know any better when I was a kid. I was stoked to shoot that deer because I had practiced and earned that doe. If I wasn't successful, maybe I think hunting is a waste of time. I'm sure glad I was successful cuz I love to hunt!!

Steve
 
Steve, Not my pride, my knowledge. I feel for the loss of a single doe in our area. The loss of each Doe is getting more critical, being one step closer to the possible extintsion of the deer herd in our area. Just remember that in areas of VERY LOW deer numbers there are a whole bunch of people "out there", even up here in N. Eastern part of your own state that particularly dispise the practice, that do not believe in shooting Does or even to discuss the possibility.

You don't live in an area like that but that dosen't mean there aren't feelings as such on the matter. I expressed my opinion but hey, your area aparently has plenty of deer, they are your kids, you certainly are free to teach, do with them as you wish. I believe i've gotten to know you a bit thru these pages as a very nice person and a great Dad but i think we both know that our goals in deer hunting differ.

This is just another case where we have to stay together as a group. Some may hunt one way, others another. We may not like the way joe blow goes about the way he hunts... we have to stick together. I'm after a mature buck only or gladly will eat tag, others will gladly take Does, they just want to get, something. It's all hunting... it's all good.

Joey
 
Joey- I understand your point. I think some of it has to do with age and your past hunting success. When I first started hunting, I wanted to shoot as many animals as I could....small game and big game. I just loved the success of it. As I got older, I'm now 36, I don't have that need to taste success every year because I have had enough success in my past. Success is having a good hunt whether we harvest an animal or not. I won't shoot a smaller buck....I'd rather eat the tag as you would....now. When it comes to my kids, I want them to be successful. The same way I was. By the time I was 21, I had killed more big game animals than my Dad (45 at the time) had for the simple fact that I was out a lot and put time in. Back then, I was really proud of that. Now, I don't care. I'd rather have my Dad take a nicer buck than me cuz I'll have more time to hunt than him. I agree with you about needing to stick together even though we veiw certain aspects of hunting and game management differently.

Steve
 
I told you why in answer after all your unsolicited PM's.

You are a jerk! i want nothing to do with you! That's why!
 
No personal attacks allowed, Joey. And I am not a jerk. I kill a few does, so what? You cannot apply your logic and beliefs in Californica to how wildlife is managed in my area. Killing does is sometimes a neccessary and useful game management tool. Good everywhere? NO. Good some places? Yes. And hunters DO need to stick together. Seems you are kind of selective in the hunters you want to stick with. Take off your blinders. That's my advice. mtmuley
 
No attacks huh? Then don't throw bait. Kill a few DOES?

mtmuley said;
"I have tags
>for each and every animal
>I kill. I can kill
>up to 3 mule deer
>does a year. 5 whitetail
>does. 2 antelope does if
>I draw a buck tag.

Then you kept butting in on how great your ultramags are when the topic is the smaller stuff. Always contrary, and whats with all the darn PM's when i just wanted you to "GO AWAY". I DON"T LIKE YOU, fine, GET OVER IT!
 
You wouldnt catch me even considering going hunting with someone that shoots mamas.
 
Drymountain- I honestly wouldn't want to hunt with you either. I think we'd spook too much game with the arguing! Some guys are really opinionated and harp on others. I am opinionated but don't harp on others. Just let it go. You won't convince anyone to change their mindset about the necessity of shooting does in certain areas. That is just the way it is.

Steve
 
I'm not going to get in a pissing match with a guy that obviously has no first hand knowledge of how and why doe hunts work. If your area does not support the population for that, fine. Mine happens to. I have taken several trophy class mule deer bucks over the years. I've taken big bulls and a B&C antelope. I haven't killed a mule deer buck under 25 inches wide with four points or better since I was 13 years old. I haven't killed a buck in 4 years. The doe tag affords me the option of still putting meat in the freezer. I am proud of the fact that I don't buy meat at the store. (I also put a bull in the freezer every year) I have taken does out of herds of 50 or more. Ask a rancher what that many deer do to crops. Stop applying your "no doe kill" to where I live and hunt. That is my point. I understand California is not the opportune area to be culling does. Your deer herd probably needs all the help it can get. Montana is different. Again my point. If I rave about the RUM too much for you sage, I apologize. You have gone overboard in your affinity for a certain cartridge also. If you want to think I'm a doe killing jerk, so be it. mtmuley
 
If you'didn't want a pissing match you shouldn't have posted comment #39 above. Forget the Doe thing, has nothing to do with it. Quit PM'ing me, go away! Stalker! I don't like You, So What? let it GOoo.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-08 AT 07:44PM (MST)[p]Calm down sage. I haven't pm'ed you lately. And when I did, it wasn't hostile. I'm done. You seem fragile. mtmuley
 
About 20 years ago they had a doe hunt in Eastern Lassen Co. here in Cakifornia.(mule deer) The deer numbers had exploded to the point that deer were starving on the winter grounds and the summer range was in poor shape from over grazing. Fish and Game issued 50 doe tags, if I remember right. It was a late November hunt after the general season. I applied and drew a tag. I killed a doe, and I LIKED it! It was better that I ate the doe than the Magpies and maggots.

The rmaining deer had less competition that winter and so when Spring time came the pregnant does were actually healthy enough to carry their fawns to full term. A malnurished doe will often abort the fetus. How many fawns are born when that happens?

Some of you arm chair biologists have no clue how a healthy deer herd works.

Eel
 

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