Randy Ulmer???

swbuckmaster

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Has anyone seen a picture of Randy Ulmers 2008 Bookcliff archery deer yet?

I heard he took a mid 190 buck


Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
That is his nevada buck

I am looking for a picture of his 2008 Utah book cliff buck. I know he took one just havnt seen it yet.

Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
Hey SW,

Go to www.randyulmer.com and click on his photo gallery, scroll down to mule deer. His three bucks from this season are added. The first two pics are his Utah buck.

Muley
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-02-08 AT 09:22AM (MST)[p]Its a stud ,as well as his NV buck.
 
> How can anyone afford so
>many trophy hunts??? Boy to
>be rich...


Randy Ulmer is a retired (I think he's retired) veterinarian.

Now he's a professional hunter/writer/lecturer/whatever you wanna call it.

He's a machine when it comes to killin' big animals, so that's what I'll call him. A machine.

Oh, and he's also a retired (again I believe retired, haven't seen or heard otherwise for a long time) competitive
archer...holds some World Championships.
 
I'm going to say something here that some won't like.

I've seen all three of the monsters that he shot this year, the book cliffs buck, the nevada buck, and another utah buck, the last two were shot on private land.

Randy Ulmer is a hell of a deer hunter.

The problem I have is glorifying these hunters like Randy for killing these monster animals. They don't play the same game as the rest of us, they hunt private land, they mostly are guided, they have ranches offer them hunts for publicity and then we slobber all over ourselves because they shoot a trophy animal. Chuck Adams, the Eastmans, Ulmer etc.....you can lump them all in the same bucket, their business is hunting and to promote that they need and have to kill trophy animals in order to make a living. It just really bugs me to see these guys all over the magazines and internet as hunting gods, when in actuallity I don't believe they are any more hard core, or more skilled than many of the guys that we hunt with in our own back yards.

Anyhow that's the burr that's been in my arse for awhile.
 
Doityourself,
Put the average archery hunter in a canyon with a 200" mule deer, and he'll come home empty handed 99 times out of 100. Having the ability to hunt areas where huge deer live, and having the ability to kill huge deer consistently are two entirely different things.
My hats off to him. He, as has been said, is a HUGE deer killing machine.
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By the way,
I live in UT.
There are a lot of UTARDS that live here.
I have also seen quite a few WYOMORONS, NEVADUHNS, COLORADORKS, ID-IOTS and AIRHEADZONANS in my travels.
 
you saying this is his book cliff buck

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Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
if that is his buck from the book cliffs then he is the man


I dont care if he had a guide on this unit. I was out there this year where he was and we were hunting close to where he was and never saw a buck of that caliber.


Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
I will second swbuckmaster's thoughts. We bowhunted and scouted the book cliffs hard this year and never saw a buck that big. That is an incredible buck for that unit, guided or not!!

There will always be those who try to discount someone's accomplishments, usually because of jealousy or envy of something they themselves do not have. Say what you want about Randy Ulmer, but he is an amazing bowhunter and is good for the sport. I doubt 95% of the guys on this forum could kill a buck of that caliber with a bow even with all of the resources Randy has (money, great guides, private areas, etc).

Nice shot placement as usual also!!
 
I will second doityourself's line.

There are several individuals that bring home monster deer every year from various places. It seems as if they magnetically attract 200" deer wherever they go.

The fact of the matter is that they do. But they can do it differently than most of us.

They almost all have an abundant supply of money to buy the tags they want in the units that gives them the best opportunity to find a 200" deer. (I don't care how they earned the money. They are smart enough or lucky enough to have it and that is all that matters. They do have it!)

They have time. Time is a big factor in killing huge deer. It takes time to get the job done, not only scouting but during the hunts as well. (having money frees up your time.)

They have connections with the right people. By this I mean knowing people that can get them the tags, help them find the bucks, and secure the right hunting property if the buck is on private. These guys are probably the most valuable part of the equation. (again these guys are in it to make a living, hence having money helps keep them in the loop.)

They are professional hunters. These guys are hunting, shooting, looking, talking, scoring, planning, booking, deer or deer hunts all year. They don't screw around waiting to draw a hunt on a limited entry unit. They find the big ones, then figure a way to get a tag, NOW!

They very rarely find their own deer. Someone they know tells them about it, then they go check it out. This is not wrong. Most big bucks are not found by the guy that ends up killing them. They are found by someone that tells someone else and sooner or later a guide or a connection tells the Pro hunter and they then get a tag and go after the deer. Smart.

These guys will not kill a sub par buck. They will not lower their standards to shoot "a buck" like most of the rest of the hunters in this world will. These guys won't screw up their name or their record by killing a dink buck. They go gome empty handed rather than smoking over a baby.


My conclusion is this; Most of us on this forum fit into the working guy/hunter with family. We see all these Pro hunters bringing home these monster bucks and it makes us either jealous, or wish we could do the same. Well, we can't until we get the whole equation together. We can kill a big buck every year or two, and some can get a pretty good one every year, but to kill 200" bucks every year, you've either got to sacrifice your family, or your job, or your normal way of life.

If you were smart enough, or lucky enough to have lots of money, you could quit your job or leave the work to your staff while you hunt. You could take your family with you. You could buy all those premo tags and book those best of the best hunts. Then you could get yourself a big one of almost every hunt.


Now don't think I'm ragging on these Pro hunters, because I'm not. These guys have done what it takes to be what they are, and do what they do. All I'm saying is that I hope they aren't sacrificing what is most important in this life, (family) to gain the awe and admiration of the rank and file hunters who look up or down at them.

Finally you cannot compare yourself to these types of hunters. It will run you down and make you feel like a loser. Pick up your head and realize that in your league you are just fine. These guys are in the major leagues and the rest of us are not. Some will move up, but most will not. Enjoy the hunt for what it is.

Deerbedead
 
I agree with a lot of what you say Deerbedead.

Ulmer is arguably the best shooter and hunters in the world with a bow, especially when it comes to the "moment of truth." I think he has an uncanny ability to know when to make a stalk, how to make a stalk, when draw his bow, how to keep himself calm, etc.

From what I've learned about him over the years, he's worked extremely hard at his occupation and craft to put him in the position he's in today. Congratulations to him. As Deerbedead put it so well, he has sacrificed a lot to be in his unique league. Even if I had the time and money to do what he's done, I'm sure I still wouldn't be 1/2 as deadly as he is. I also wouldn't sacrifice the time away from my family either. Anyway, again, contrats to him for taking a gager in the Books.

On a side note, I had the opportunity to be in the Book Cliffs for the first 4 days of the muzzle loader hunt with my brother who had a tag. It's interesting to see Ulmer's buck, because I saw one taken that had the same antler configuration, but was probably 2 years younger.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-08 AT 10:37AM (MST)[p]Hey doityourself...

Randy Ulmer didn't kill two bucks in Utah this year. (Can't hold two buck tags in this state anyway...bad info there.)

The Book Cliffs buck was killed on public land.

He also killed big bucks in Nevada and Colorado, I don't know whether they were on public or private land.

I do know I killed a buck on private land once, and he wasn't in a pen. He was just like every other buck living in the hills. Keep that in mind.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-08 AT 11:24AM (MST)[p]Ulmer is a stud of a big buck hunter. 90% of his hunting is on public ground. Sure he has them money to buy landowner tags in good units and sure he can hire a good outfitter but he does not buy GOV tags ever that i know of and he kills them durring the season right along everybody else. Matter of fact i think he drew his NV tag along with the other 100K people sending in. Not only is he killing some of the biggest bucks in the west every year he is doing it with a BOW and not with a whole gang of guys out covering every draw in the unit until they find the one.

The big thing that i see is why he kills so many huge deer is he has amazing control. I read a story on him on one of his monsters he took 2 years ago where he said he watched a deer for 6 or 7 days stright without ever making one stock on the buck because he never bedded in the right spot. It was not like he did not see the buck he watched him for hours every day just was not right for a high % kill. Then after a week he snuck in and smoked him at 20 yards. There is no way in heck i could sit there for a week and never make a move on a deer on public ground during the season. That is just one example of why he is not like the rest of us 99.9% of the hunters out there. I dont care if you had his money not to many guys alive could do what he has done with a bow in the last 5 years. Amazing!
 
I'm in the middle ground as both side have good points. Given the cash and time there are many people out there that could do the same, some could not. Money and time is a big factor. Randy does know what he is doing to close the deal on that many huge deer and elk. Some people need a hero and others are full of envy. Fact is he can pay for some one to find them but he still has to kill them with a bow. That is hard to do every time, he doesn't use a gun.
 
I believe the guide was Shawn Labrums or Shawn?s brother just a rumor though.

I helped a friend of mine in the book cliffs this year also during the archery hunt and went home with tag soup. Just didn't capitalize on the opportunity we were presented with. We passed up 20-40 bucks a day that were two small though. This unit is an awesome unit that everyone should hunt at least once IMHO what a blast.

Randy went in and took this deer in the first day or two of the hunt. It will probable be the largest deer to come out of the book cliffs this year. That is saying something about him. He went into an area that anyone of us can draw and took the largest deer on the hill with his bow. That to me says a lot about the guy. ?PREDITOR?





Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
AARON I think you better consider what kind of "PUBLIC LAND" you are talking about. He does not hunt the "Over-the-Counter" Public Land areas... He hunts premium draw units when he goes. The book cliffs gives out only a few hundred tags each year but is considered "Public Land". A better term is "Public Draw" areas...
Also, I find it almost comical that anyone thinks that there are 200+ inch deer on general units... LOL If there are, they are found through thousands of hours of scouting... Average hunters aren't going to find them.
Kudos to Rarndy Ulmer, I think he is living the dream... I believe he has been blessed with all the talents and abilities necessary to give him the opportunities he has from year to year... I think DeerbeDead pointed them all out very well...
 
Don't mean to stir the pot, but that buck in the picture is not from the Bookcliffs! That picture has been on here before either last year or the year before. I think it was shot in Arizona. I would like to see the picture of the bookcliffs buck though if anyone has a pic of it. Ulmer is the man on connecting with big bucks!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-08 AT 01:52PM (MST)[p]>Don't mean to stir the pot,
>but that buck in the
>picture is not from the
>Bookcliffs! That picture has been
>on here before either last
>year or the year before.
>I think it was shot
>in Arizona. I would like
>to see the picture of
>the bookcliffs buck though if
>anyone has a pic of
>it. Ulmer is the man
>on connecting with big bucks!
>


I can promise you that is the Book Cliffs buck...it's on his website with some kind of weird title at the bottom of the window that has "AZ" in it but so are most all the other bucks, even the one from Nevada and the one from Colorado from this year. This picture was e-mailed by Randy as being from the Books.
 
>
> Also, I find it almost
>comical that anyone thinks that
>there are 200+ inch deer
>on general units...


There are DEFINITELY 200+ bucks found and killed on general over-the-counter units.

You're right, they're found through lots of hard work by good hunters, and they certainly aren't found around every tree, but 200-inch bucks survive on over-the-counter units.
 
I'd like to talk about another Randy, Randy Moss. If someone paid me millions of dollars and gave me new shoes and a bunch of really great blockers, I could catch touchdowns and win Superbowls just like him. Also, Randy Johnson. If someone gave me really long arms, a 99 mph fastball and a really handsome mullet, I could throw a no-hitter also.
I don't know a lot about Randy Ulmer, but what I have heard and the pictures I have seen speak wonders. Although a world class archer, I have never heard him say, "I closed the distance to 85 yards and made a good ethical shot." (like I have heard others on this website say). His quality pictures are always nearly immediately available to the general public on the internet (not kept secret to be sold to the highest bidding magazine).
I really don't know much about the man, but I do admire him for the success he has and I'm grateful he is so willing to share the pics and stories with us.
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but you can't succeed on the level that he does without years of dedication, lots of practice, and a GREAT DEAL of God given ability.
I submit the 99% of you armchair quarterbacks(hunters) out there could NOT succeed on the same level that he does even with the same resources (time, money, and guides). I don't know, but I am pretty sure he didn't start out in the sport as a poor shooting rich guy with no family who was bored and needed to try something new.
Thats just my two cents (OK, maybe that was 4 cents worth).
-Soup
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-08 AT 02:44PM (MST)[p]Did Ulmer pull a LE BookCliffs tag or buy one of the land owner tags Labrum has access to?

The guys a hunter..no doubt...but someone had to do all the leg work in finding the buck. Would be cool to have that kind of help every fall.
 
Backinthegame..I Swear that buck has been on this website before..Not 100% sure, but almost positive. Plus I, like many others who frequent the bookcliffs know the horn configuration is not a typical genetic configuration of the deer out their. Plus I got home 3-days ago from being out there & have spent at least 30 day's over the last 2-months & have never seen one deer with that color of Velvet or hair color out there. I am not saying it isn't possible, but I have a hard time believing the buck in the picture is a BOOKBUCK!!!! Please some one figure out the story!!!!!! I am sure that buck has been on here before & was a nevada buck lock it up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-08 AT 04:11PM (MST)[p]Well BIGPUN, if you don't think that's the buck that's fine, you can keep searching for the "true" Books buck I guess! Ha, ha!

Lots of Randy's big bucks look alike you know...HUGE!!!
 
I am sorry if I have made anyone mad! Just don't feel likes it'd a BOOkcliffs Buck! If you know It is & can prove it would love to see more pics & congrats to Ulmer "1" of best Bowhunters to hunt. I just don't believe its a Book Buck.
 
I saw a buck taken with almost the exact same antler configuration on Friday of last week, but the extra points were much smaller. We measured the buck to be 28" wide also. I wish I would have taken a picture of it.

I'm no expert on the Book Cliffs, but Ulmer's buck is pretty darn similar.
 
I seen randy out there while I was hunting elk the morning before he killed his buck. He said he was gonna come back later that evening and kill it. He said it was a beautiful typical four point. He was wearing that goofy hat like in the fourth muley pic on his website. I also ran into kenny labrum and randy's nephew they were all great guys and do most of there hunting through the spotting scope and binos
 
I also am not so sure the picture is from the book cliffs either. The buck in the photo has a lot bigger ears than what I saw out their. Most of the bucks I saw had some of the smallest ears I have seen on a deer. Their bodies were small also. They almost looked like black tail deer.

Yes you can find 200" gross deer every year on over the counter tags in Utah. I find them almost every year although I haven't killed one of them yet.

I won't take anything away from Randy he is an awesome hunter and all around good guy and one of the best archers in the world for sure. He has earned everythig he has in life.

I however will not take anything away from myself either. I personally think if I had the opportunity to hunt on the same units and with the same time and help he has I would expect the same results he has had. "I think I am also a preditor";-)
 
swbuckmaster,
The deer I killed in the Books last year had the biggest body of any deer I have ever killed. His ears measure out to over 26". Just saying, the big bodied deer ARE in there.
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By the way,
I live in UT.
There are a lot of UTARDS that live here.
I have also seen quite a few WYOMORONS, NEVADUHNS, COLORADORKS, ID-IOTS and AIRHEADZONANS in my travels.
 
swbuckmaster and I feel the same way.

If I was given all the chances that some of these pro hunters get, not just Ulmer, I know that I would be wacking some monsters as well. You put any of these guys in a 100% general public area, un-guided, DIY with the limited time and resources as the rest of us and they will have the same success as the rest of us. I'm not a horrible hunter and I don't think that alot of guys on MM are, given the same opportunity we could do just as well, the thing that really gets me is how these pro hunters are glamorized and put on a pedestal for taking these trophy animals. These guys are not hunting gods, sure they can shoot good, so can I, sure they can hunt hard, ditto, maybe they have some more patience, but that is a learned trait that all of us can gain, I just think it's silly to say that 99% of all hunters aren't even worthy to touch the sandals of these pro hunters.
 
DIY,
I do not doubt that you could whack some monsters under the same circumstances as Randy. I do question the fact that ANY Joe Hunter here on MM would be AS successful as Randy. I submit that success that consistent, on that high of a level, repeated in multiple states every year, with a bow, WOULD NOT BE OBTAINED by most hunters.
Through hard work, dedication, and proper training, you can teach a naturally slow runner to have average speed. You can also teach a naturally average runner to have good speed. You CANNOT take an average runner and make him an Olympic sprinter.
You can teach a good pitcher to be accurate and be smart.
You cannot teach MOST people to throw the ball 95 miles per hour. It takes some natural ability.
Again, you may have that natural ability, but 99% of the guys here don't.
DIY, with all this being said, I am from MT and COMPLETELY prefer to hunt DIY with my friends and family, kill a few bucks and bulls, and dream of that 200 incher that I also believe is out there on public land somewhere. BTW, I did kill a 248 incher last year on public land in MT. It just happened to be a small six point bull.
 
I know a guy who is the "Randy Ulmer" of blacktail bucks. I work with him and know he is not rich. He only hunts OTC public land, mostly on weekends only. This guy is a predator!

If you've ever hunted big blacktails on public land you know that the most worthless piece of equipment you can own is a spotting scope. These bucks are nocturnal and you have to hunt them in their beds. It's a one on one situation, you and the deer. Mossback and his crew, or any other "gang" of guides would be totally lost. Not to mention you could never get a client in the right position for a shot.

I guess the point I'm making is that there are hunters, and then there are the real hunters. Don't discount Randy Ulmer just because he has money. And don't discount someone who has no money. If you have the desire and the ability, you can do it too.

P.S. I had to beg this guy to pull a few of his racks out of the rafters so I could get this photo. He doesn't care for mounts or the B&C book. The buck he took this year (a 4X4 not in the photo) is probably the most massive blacktail rack I have ever seen. His only weakness is he insists on packing all his bucks out whole on his back, sometimes up to 6 miles. I'm going to buy him a backpack and a boneing knife.:)

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I am sure Randy Ulmer smacked a great buck in the BookCliffs, but the picture of that buck is not on this post. The color configuration on the velvet is total different than any other buck I have seen out there. It does have Az on his website of that buck, but I swear he killed it in Nevada last year or the year before. Mature Bookcliff bucks do have monster ears & Body's nothing like a Blacktail...not even close. If I am wrong about the buck in the photo I will apologize, But I have been out there so many years & seen many many bucks, but never with that color velvet! Maybe its the camera light or maybe its sun glaring in some way. I just strongly believe its not a Book Buck!!!! Love to be wrong though!!! & have a chance next year @ some of his off spring!
 
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Sorry for jumpin in late here guys But I have to respond to a few posts/Questions:

1st any of you who say there are not 200" deer on public lands are crazy they are there and you just have to be dedicated enough to find them, presistent enough to stick with them, and patient enough to kill them. My family has killed 2 typical 200" typical deer in 3 years with a bow in the coveted NE Utah region argualbly one of the tougher areas in the state.

2nd this is definatly randy ulmers 2008 Book cliffs deer, but i am not even going to waste time defending it, it is and its prorobly going to be the best deer taken in the Book Cliffs this year ecspecially with a bow.

3rd anyone who says drop me in the same unit with the same tags and i will produce the same results I call BS. You may get some "nice" deer even an occasional Huge deer, but nobody i have ever seen can consistantly kill the best deer in the unit every year.

Randy Ulmer would probobly be the first to tell you he has a lot of help finding these monsters, help from his family, friends, people who know him, people who want to know him, sometimes guides and lots of other reasons. Thats all good and fine, but randy has somthing most of us do not have and will never have, the unbelivable abilty to close the deal with a bow on huge animals on a more then consistent basis but infact a regular basis.

Congrats Randy Ulmer you are the man now if we could just get you shooting better arrows! ;)
 
You do not consistantly bow kill deer like he does without big time skill. Other than Chuck Adams he's the only celebrity hunter that I would love to accompany in the field
 
OK...I will jump in here.

Randy shoots better than 100% of the average hunters.

Randy is in better shape than 99% of the average hunters.

Randy hunts more days than 99% of most hunters.

Randy hunts only the best trophy areas by design.

Randy has the best help.

Randy works harder and smarter while in the field than 99% of all hunters.

Does anyone still wonder why he is more successful at harvesting big bucks?

Why be jealous? Randy doesn't hunt this way to make people envious, he just loves to hunt with a plan. His plans year round and and works the plan year round.

Please enjoy hunting on your own terms, and don't allow someone else's success to diminish the quality of your experience.
 
Well I think he is a great hunter but better than 99% not a chance. I'm only one person and I know a number of others that spend more time and hunt as hard as can be done. Great shape, come on he is as skinny as a tooth pick. I would not put the man down but don't put down other hunters. Given the opportunity many people out there could surprise you.
 
If this guy is the greatest hunter in the world, like some of you are making him out to be. Then why does he need Shootplanes, guides and the best tags money can buy.
 
Bearman, you totally missed my point, and I did not put anyone else down.

My point is that Randy is as successful as he is because he has the whole package put together. Maybe you and your friends are the baddest hunters on the mountain but if you only hunt three weeks a year in Utah then you wont kill the number of big bucks that Randy has! I am not putting you down.

There are about 150,000 bowhunters in the West. So for Randy to be better than 99% of them he would only need to be in the top 1500! Do you know 1499 bowhunters that you think are better than Randy? ...I did not think so.

Again, I am not putting anyone else down. I am simply saying that Randy works harder than most, has the time, has the money, and the God given physical and mental ability to combine all of these gifts. This does not mean that anyone else is less of a man because he doesn't have 18 185"-240" bucks taken with a bow. It just means that Randy has figured out what investment of time, money, practice, scouting, and conditioning it takes for him to kill big bucks. If he skimps on any of these ingredients he will not be as successful.
 
I agree he does put it together. I do believe a lot has to do with money. But as I said above its not a rifle its a bow and you have to be doing something right to get it done. over and over and over
 
shotgunjim...you don't get it either. No one said he was the greatest hunter alive. He is very good though.

My point is Randy will use a guide because it gives him the best chance a killing a big buck. Besides it is difficult to find a hunting partner to take 2-3 weeks off three times a year. He buys the best tags when he cannot draw them because they give him the best oppurtunity to kill a big buck and he can afford them.

I would ask "Why do you use good optics, laser rangefinders, centerfire rifles, bows that shoot 300 fps, quads, GPS, tents, sleeping bags, etc..."
 
If I'm not mistaken, we all live in the good old USA, and we're all free to achieve and do anything we set our mind to. Randy figured that out, and is now enjoying the fruits of his labor. If you want the opportunities Randy has then get acquainted with the positive principle of vision. Put simply, the oportunities that Randy has are available to us all, but to enjoy it we've got to raise our sights. "Two men looked through prison bars, one saw mud and the other saw stars!" Once pessimistic people, who think life is a merely being a victum of circumstance, discover the principle of vision, they can change their world and accomlish things they never thought possible. What's stopping you from going on the hunts Randy goes on? Who's to blame? Go do it, and then we can all say you get all the breaks, and if we had the same opportunities we could do the same. Congrats to Randy on some more amazing bucks.

Dub
 

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