Average B.C. score for 190 B.C.?
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I would say he would look umm.. well, HUGE...
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ICHABOD
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Yeah, I do.
All the scores would add up to 190....
J/K..
I dont understand the question.
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By the way,
I live in UT.
There are a lot of UTARDS that live here.
I have also seen quite a few WYOMORONS, NEVADUHNS, COLORADORKS, ID-IOTS and AIRHEADZONANS in my travels.
All the scores would add up to 190....
J/K..
I dont understand the question.
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By the way,
I live in UT.
There are a lot of UTARDS that live here.
I have also seen quite a few WYOMORONS, NEVADUHNS, COLORADORKS, ID-IOTS and AIRHEADZONANS in my travels.
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Here's what i see when i think of a 190 typical;
When the buck waslooking at me the first thing i notice is how tall he is, he's taller than he is wide and man ,he has nice eye guards. But then i see that his horns sweep out a few inches outside his ears. Maybe the ears aren't all the way out but the horns are outside them, his inside spread looks to be only about 25 inches but his outside might go 27-28", but oh so high.
He's heavy too, heavy all the way up, now that i get a better look at him. Hmmm. When the buck first turned his head to look at a group of deer further down the basin, i couldn't believe how deep all the forks were...and clean, no trash points that i can see. I'll bet all his points are at least 10-12" with his g-4's being the longest. When i looked to see how long his main beams were, i was surprised to find that they swept out near the tip of his nose, not as low slung as most of the bucks you see but out and up with a curve toward the middle in the last 4 or 5 inches.
This buck is gonna score 190, what a buck, i get a dead steady rest and squeeze the trigger. I hear the kaboompuwop of a good hit followed closely by a series of beeps that cloud the issue. It's usually then that i reach over and turn off the alarm clock.
Joey
When the buck waslooking at me the first thing i notice is how tall he is, he's taller than he is wide and man ,he has nice eye guards. But then i see that his horns sweep out a few inches outside his ears. Maybe the ears aren't all the way out but the horns are outside them, his inside spread looks to be only about 25 inches but his outside might go 27-28", but oh so high.
He's heavy too, heavy all the way up, now that i get a better look at him. Hmmm. When the buck first turned his head to look at a group of deer further down the basin, i couldn't believe how deep all the forks were...and clean, no trash points that i can see. I'll bet all his points are at least 10-12" with his g-4's being the longest. When i looked to see how long his main beams were, i was surprised to find that they swept out near the tip of his nose, not as low slung as most of the bucks you see but out and up with a curve toward the middle in the last 4 or 5 inches.
This buck is gonna score 190, what a buck, i get a dead steady rest and squeeze the trigger. I hear the kaboompuwop of a good hit followed closely by a series of beeps that cloud the issue. It's usually then that i reach over and turn off the alarm clock.
Joey
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Deep forks on all four corners. long main beams........if he's heavy it's a bonus.
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In David Long's book I think he says lenght accounts for 68% of a deers B&C score. I'll try to check it out when I get home tonight. I also think that Eastmans gives a similar %.
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No i have never looked at the averages for a 190" buck.
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Well according to a well known author, who shall remain nameless to keep this post from dying, a B & C buck needs to have the three 27's. That means 27 inch main beams and 27 inch inside spread. So then add in 2 inch G1's, 15 inch G2s, 10 or 12 inch G3s and G4s, give him 17 or 18 inches of mass (all plus or minus an inch here or there) and you got a 190 buck.
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Go here and watch their mule deer judging video on the main page. www.eastmans.com
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Maybe it was 26. It's been a long time since I read that controversial book by that controversial author. 
26 is more realistic. Pretty rare to see bucks with three 27s. But then 190 bucks should be rare. 'Course, if you make it three 26's then you need three more inches elsewhere. No clue what average outside would be.
26 is more realistic. Pretty rare to see bucks with three 27s. But then 190 bucks should be rare. 'Course, if you make it three 26's then you need three more inches elsewhere. No clue what average outside would be.AZStickman
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Left = 75"
Right = 75"
Spread = 40"
deductions = 0"
Total = 190"
Terry
Right = 75"
Spread = 40"
deductions = 0"
Total = 190"
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Quest - I don't know what the score sheet looks like, but the rack looks like this:
This is my Aunt's buck from '04 - Bookcliffs. To give it perspective she is about 5'4". This buck scores around 194.
Or you could take this buck and subract 100 and be close - this one scores 290. I am not related to this gal nor do I know her. This pic has been kicking around for a while now. I believe this buck is from either Idaho or Wyoming. Someone will correct me I am sure.
UTROY
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This is my Aunt's buck from '04 - Bookcliffs. To give it perspective she is about 5'4". This buck scores around 194.
Or you could take this buck and subract 100 and be close - this one scores 290. I am not related to this gal nor do I know her. This pic has been kicking around for a while now. I believe this buck is from either Idaho or Wyoming. Someone will correct me I am sure.
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xitnet, That's a beautiful buck! You know, in the past I've past up a few bucks that looked similar to yours in Wyoming because from where I stood at the time, they didn't look wide enough (typical that is). One buck I past up was only about 50 yards away and my brother said, "Why didn't you shoot that buck?" This is precisely why I'm looking to know what the averages are for scoring a 190 buck. I was always told a buck had to be at least 28 inches wide, with deep forks that are 11 to 12 inch long to make book minimum for a typical. Now looking at your buck...you say it is 25 6/8 wide...now this makes me want to re-think my judgment calls on harvesting any future bucks! Especially since yours scored high! Anyone else out there have any input?
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Quest said;
"I was always told a buck had to be at least 28 inches >< wide to make book minimum for a typical."
Whoever told you this was full of cheese! you take a 195 buck with a 30" outside spread and cut his skull cap so they are now only a 25" outside spread, you're still gonna have a 190 buck.
There are lots of Muley bucks in the book with outside spreads less than 26 inches. If you are passing on bucks like the 220 one above, i wanna hunt where you hunt! I'll help you field judge them deer!lol
Note; don't ever cut the skull cap, or let anyone else do it, on your buck for any reason. I said that to make a point, only! Once the cap is cut, no matter how big it is, IMO, not only does it wreck the rack, it can not be considered for the book.
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"I was always told a buck had to be at least 28 inches >< wide to make book minimum for a typical."
Whoever told you this was full of cheese! you take a 195 buck with a 30" outside spread and cut his skull cap so they are now only a 25" outside spread, you're still gonna have a 190 buck.
There are lots of Muley bucks in the book with outside spreads less than 26 inches. If you are passing on bucks like the 220 one above, i wanna hunt where you hunt! I'll help you field judge them deer!lol
Note; don't ever cut the skull cap, or let anyone else do it, on your buck for any reason. I said that to make a point, only! Once the cap is cut, no matter how big it is, IMO, not only does it wreck the rack, it can not be considered for the book.
Joey
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Exactly! Spread is only one measurement, tine length and mass are most crucial. We killed a deer in Sonoraa few years back that "books" and he was only 21" inside and 25" outside, netted 192". Took another deer that was 23" inside and he netted 194"
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guess the score on this buck my dad killed in the 50's.
Out side spread is 22 4/8, inside spread is 19 0/8
Out side spread is 22 4/8, inside spread is 19 0/8
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Here's another picture
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He gross scores 196 3/8 and nets 190 7/8. It just goes to show that width isn't everything. Long tines, mass and even on both sides makes a big difference. This buck only has 5 4/8 inches of deductions, very even. He'll be in the next book, way at the bottom but at least he made it. These antlers sat in the garage the whole time I was growing up and no one thought to measure them. He had two more bucks that net in the mid to high 180's. There were a lot of bucks killed in the 50's and 60's that wound up hanging in someones garage or on the barn that never made it in the book. Most hunters didn't care about B&C they just showed them to their buddies and threw them in the garage or shed to save for future reference.
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"An average 200 B&C buck would have an average inside spread of 25 inches and the average length of beams would be 26 to 27 inches. An average 195 B&C would have an average inside spread of 22 inches and the average length of main beams would be 24 inches. These are merely guidelines. Actual scores may differ."
-- http://www.biggame-hunting.com/library/field_judging_deer.htm
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-- http://www.biggame-hunting.com/library/field_judging_deer.htm
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The right main beam is 25 4/8 and the left main beam is 25 5/8, G1's right 4 0/8 left 3 2/8, right G2 17 5/8 Left G2 17 6/8, right G3 13 1/8 left G3 13 4/8, right G4 9 6/8 left G4 10 6/8.
37 1/8 mass measurement if my math is correct. Length of tines and evenness are very important. Spread credit may equal but not exceed longer main beam, so the most the spread credit could have been on this buck is 25 5/8. 6 inches more of spread would have been nice but he made 190 as is. I'm just saying don't think that they have to be 26-28 inches wide to make a 190 score.
37 1/8 mass measurement if my math is correct. Length of tines and evenness are very important. Spread credit may equal but not exceed longer main beam, so the most the spread credit could have been on this buck is 25 5/8. 6 inches more of spread would have been nice but he made 190 as is. I'm just saying don't think that they have to be 26-28 inches wide to make a 190 score.
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Apexmtnman, I can think of four bucks I've passed on that were real tall, had deep forks and were 26 inch's wide. Going by the information you gave, they might have made the book. I didn't get a real good look at their main beams though. You live and learn...thanks for the useful info
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Tine length is 70 percent of total score the best way to learn to judge bucks is to put tape to as many as you can. Borrow mounts and score them up shed horns are always fun to score too. Once you've done several you can get pretty good at field judging. But usually in hunting situations if you hesitate and have time to think then the buck doesn't make the cut. When you see a buck that's big I say shoot first and score him later
