LE ELK TAGS TURNED IN/BACK???

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I Know of a few Turned Back in!

A Few Years Back most would never have Turned them Back in!

I Wonder How Many Nebo Tags mighta got Turned back today?

If You know of Somebody that Turned an LE Tag back in?

Chime in!

No Names!

Just wondering on Numbers?










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Not sure about any turned in tags but I ran into a gal on the blues today that drew the early San Juan bull tag with ZERO points. Her boyfriend claimed to have drawn it a few years back with 4 points. I must not be paying enough in tithes :)
 
>Not sure about any turned in
>tags but I ran into
>a gal on the blues
>today that drew the early
>San Juan bull tag with
>ZERO points. Her boyfriend claimed
>to have drawn it a
>few years back with 4
>points. I must not be
>paying enough in tithes :)
>

SWEET GEEZUS!

0 Points!

22 For Me & I Think I Mighta F'ED Up with My Tithing as Well!











I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Every single Nebo early rifle tag holder should have turned their tag back in. I don't think you can even access the unit this week.
 
>Sounds like more than my SJ
>tag went back, right CAT?
>

Yup!

That's Right littlebig!











I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Wapitiwilly, how does that work? So, you draw a tag and scout the area and if not finding want your looking for you may give the tag back and not lose your points?

Thanks Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
I know a guy who drew the south cache early rifle and he turned it in last week.

And to add to it this is the 2nd time he has drawn the tag and turned it in. First time was 3 years ago with 8 points.
 
If they turn their tag back in they should not get a point for the current year. There has got to be a penalty for all the people that just turn a tag back in for the heck of it. Medical reasons should be exempt from the penalty.
 
Really? I bet $30 if you had a LE tag that you cashed 20 points in on, and your unit burnt to the ground 3 days before the hunt started and couldn't even access the mountain because it was shut down, you'd be singing a much different tune
 
>Every single Nebo early rifle tag
>holder should have turned their
>tag back in. I don't
>think you can even access
>the unit this week.


You can't access about half of the unit right now, but if you're familiar with it and have done your homework, there's other options to try where you could still have a good hunt
 
You're correct Moose. Thats a legit reason to turn a tag back in. I was referencing Post 6 where they turn a tag back in because his son had found " Lots of bulls just not the one he's looking for" Come on, Thats just wrong and their needs to be a penalty.
 
Wapitiwilly, I hope you didn't think I was burst your chops, I was just asking if I was understanding this right.

Thanks for the clarification

Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
Well, if someone turns a tag in, someone else that is on the alternate list for that hunt, will get a phone call, and asked if they want the tag. They will go on down the list of names until someone wants it. Unfortunately, as far as our elk units go, lots of big bulls have declined over the years. Some units sill hold some great bulls, but require a lot of scouting and always a lot of luck. You know how the saying goes, "its better to be lucky than good". There are a lot people that are happy to shoot a six point bull that may not even be in the 300 class. And another saying goes, "don't pass up a bull on the first day you would shoot on the last day". I guess my last thought would be to just enjoy your hunt with family and friends and don't stress yourself out to the point it's not fun anymore.
 
>Well, if someone turns a tag
>in, someone else that is
>on the alternate list for
>that hunt, will get a
>phone call, and asked if
>they want the tag. They
>will go on down the
>list of names until someone
>wants it.

So WW"s son turned his tag in on Sept 14th, the day before the hunt starts. Do you really think that they were able to process this and get the tag into someone elses hands? Answer: No

I understand it was well within his right to do so, I just think there should be a penalty for turning a tag in just cause he couldn't find something he thought was big enough.
 
Maybe REDDOG Taught Him How to Turn a Tag back!

5 minutes before the Deadline!










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Back to the original post. I know one guy that turned it in. They gave him a couple options of hunting late season or issuing him the tag next year. I think that is exactly what they should do with the situation. Pretty bad deal with the fire.
 
>Back to the original post. I
>know one guy that turned
>it in. They gave him
>a couple options of hunting
>late season or issuing him
>the tag next year. I
>think that is exactly what
>they should do with the
>situation. Pretty bad deal with
>the fire.

How can they Offer Him a Late Tag?

Maybe some of them Late Tags have been turned in already?

Issuing Him the Same Tag Next year?

If I Ever Draw an LE Tag & Decide to Turn it Back in I want the Same Options!:D











I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
If you turn a tag in, you should lose all your points and go to the end of the line. When I drew S.W. desert Archery elk I broke my arm on the unit scouting. Got the cast off five days before the hunt and couldn't pull my bow back. Maybe I should have turned my tag in like the rest of these sissies ;-)
 
If you waited 15+ years for a tag and then broke your arm and couldn't hunt and didn't turn your tag in seems to me your an idiot lol
 
One of my boys friends that has hunted spike elk with us for the past three years. Got a call two weeks ago. Someone turned it a Fish lake big bull tag,do you want it ? He called me and asked what should I do ? I said how many points do you have. He said three. My next comment was that's a no brainer take the tag and we will help you get a good bull. Luckily in his situation we know the unit very well even without scouting the unit for his hunt. He got there Friday afternoon and Saturday morning he was done. He go his first bull elk . He had a great experience even with the short notice. http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2018/309924cd28f527d7d4c809caf00eaffa273be.jpeg
He had this guy at 20 yards bugling in his face. He was shaking in his boots and was ready to shoot. He was told don't shot that bull. A few bulls later he got a good bull for the unit 50 inches wide and scored 325. http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2018/4870347f66bdc919f489bbaafb719da729823.jpeg
 
>If you turn a tag in,
>you should lose all your
>points and go to the
>end of the line. When
>I drew S.W. desert Archery
>elk I broke my arm
>on the unit scouting. Got
>the cast off five days
>before the hunt and couldn't
>pull my bow back. Maybe
>I should have turned my
>tag in like the rest
>of these sissies ;-)

I think you should have and I would think that was a smart move considering the situation. Turning a tag in hurts no-one why such a big deal.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-18 AT 08:44AM (MST)[p]A friend got a call last week for a San Juan tag. He had a chance at a bull that scored 400 4/8. Another guy that had been watching the bull ended up getting the bull. Good for him. It was a fun couple days. Back at it in a couple days. Not as many top end bulls this year. Still fun to hunt. It is hot and the bulls were less vocal than usual. Killing more cows this year because of drought. The unit will gone down hill.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-18
>AT 08:44?AM (MST)
>
>A friend got a call last
>week for a San Juan
>tag. He had a
>chance at a bull that
>scored 400 4/8. Another
>guy that had been watching
>the bull ended up getting
>the bull. Good for
>him. It was a
>fun couple days. Back at
>it in a couple days.
> Not as many top
>end bulls this year.
>Still fun to hunt. It
>is hot and the bulls
>were less vocal than usual.
>Killing more cows this year
>because of drought. The
>unit will gone down hill.
>

So?

Did Your Friend Miss the Bull?

How Big a Crowd was after the Bull?

The Unit Has Already went Down Hill!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Deadbob
19 points 25+ days scouting and not finding a bull worth hunting and turning your tag back. If this is your definition of a sissy. I'm proud my son is a law abiding sissy. Hope you don't break your other arm patting yourself on the back.
??
 
>Deadbob
>19 points 25+ days scouting and
>not finding a bull worth
>hunting and turning your tag
>back. If this is your
>definition of a sissy. I'm
>proud my son is a
>law abiding sissy. Hope you
>don't break your other arm
>patting yourself on the back.
>
>??


Nothing personal but I don't agree with having this option available. Personal injury or the unit being on fire are one thing...cant find a good enough bull???

How much will you give me if I can show you a bull on the Wasatch, on the day of your choice, that would fulfill your expectations unless they are completely unrealistic?

Not being a good enough hunter to find what you "want" should never be a reason.

There are plenty of fine bulls out there. They just take lots of boot leather to reach. You wont get there on a 4 wheeler. You wont even get there on a trail. You will need to do some of the toughest hiking you have ever done...That's how this unit works. Don't put in for a tag and steal someone elses chance that is willing to put in the effort.

Did you get off a trail/road in those 25 days? You need to be far from one, in very steep country, that very few people could have hiked 25 times in the last couple months.
I hike often...I could not make it there that many times in a couple month period. Not even close.
 
Dry
If you don't agree lobby to change the law. We are not road hunters, many miles hiked, nights sleeping out of a backpack. Maybe my sons bar is higher than yours. That's why it's his choice!. The Wasatch is loaded with 330 bulls but very few 350+. Any time/day you want to show me a 350+ give me a PM.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-18 AT 12:50PM (MST)[p]Wapiti-

Any time you are willing to make it worth my while...enough so for me to give you an area that took me decades of effort to find.

Just fyi. I am in my 50s. Born in and hunted this unit my whole life. You may be shocked at what I can show you on the winter range. I would do that for nothing if you remember and hit me up when the snow flys. No excessive hike will be required. There are some very good bulls here, as well as a bunch of 300-330 types.
 
Sounds good, I live in the area, am 60 and know where many big bulls winter. Reality is the late hunt has really hurt the unit. The number of ?Big? bull on this unit is way down and will never recover based on the hunts/tags. Several of those big boys are on CWMU and the res. Once I get back from my road hunt on the Dutton I would be very interested in a walk about.
 
Elk

the bull was in a popular area and a couple other guys were after it, as well. Another 380 type bull was shot from about 700 yards away that was a few hundred yards below me as well.

I agree San Juan is going down in quality and quantity. More cow tags is going to make it worse.
 
>Sounds good, I live in the
>area, am 60 and know
>where many big bulls winter.
>Reality is the late hunt
>has really hurt the unit.
>The number of ?Big? bull
>on this unit is way
>down and will never recover
>based on the hunts/tags. Several
>of those big boys are
>on CWMU and the res.
>Once I get back from
>my road hunt on the
>Dutton I would be very
>interested in a walk about.
>


I agree with everything you said. However I think we are in very different areas, but still the same unit. Where I am talking about is nowhere near a CWMU or the reservation. I think the vast majority, by far, of limited entry hunters hunt the general area you are in.
I will describe it like this: (Decided I had to much info here and deleted) we will just say the strawberry-ish area.


I am referring to a place not near any of that area.
I have yet to encounter a limited entry elk hunter in the area I refer to, and I hike there during that time every year, including yesterday when I saw 2 very nice bulls together. That doesn't mean its not hunted at all, just that very few are willing to chase elk where it is necessary to do so in this particular area. Very steep and thick doesn't even come close to describing it.

Good luck with your Mt. Dutton hunt. Especially the road part...lol
Seriously lets go for a bit of a hike this winter and I will show you at least a couple of Fantastic bulls. It will be up to you to find them other times of the year, but you will know that they are there, and that they live on public land.
 
Sounds great Dryfly I look forward to it. Never have hunted the Strawberryish area so maybe we are on the same page. Might take a few days to recover from the Dutton. I will PM you when I get back.
Thanks
Paul
 
>The Wasatch is loaded with
>330 bulls but very few
>350+.

^^^this goes for 90% of the units in Utah 100% of the time. The Wasatch will be this way next year and the year after. He should have realized this before he ever put in for the tag in the first place and certainly sooner than the day before the hunt when he returned his tag. At least turn the tag in soon enough that it could be reissued to someone else that would love to have it. All he did was screw someone out of the chance at hunting this year.
 
>>If you turn a tag in,
>>you should lose all your
>>points and go to the
>>end of the line. When
>>I drew S.W. desert Archery
>>elk I broke my arm
>>on the unit scouting. Got
>>the cast off five days
>>before the hunt and couldn't
>>pull my bow back. Maybe
>>I should have turned my
>>tag in like the rest
>>of these sissies ;-)
>
>I think you should have and
>I would think that was
>a smart move considering the
>situation. Turning a tag in
>hurts no-one why such a
>big deal.

This happened back in 1999. I had 8 points and nobody at that point foresaw what a cluster Limited entry tags would become. I don't believe I was even aware you could turn a tag back in at that time. I did call to see if there was a way to get a crossbow permit. Because it wasn't a permanent disability it wasn't happening.

Luckily I had the entire hunt off work because of my arm. Towards the middle of the hunt my arm became strong enough to shoot. I ate tag soup but did end up killing a pig old pink sow pig out there. She was probably about 250-300 pounds. I couldn't believe my eyes seeing it out there.
 
I have watched this thread, and have refrained from commenting....,,,

But I agree. What WW's kid got away with is BS.

And I have a better offer than dryfly.

I can show you a bull from a road in the Wasatch unit that will go well over 350.

Even better I can show you a bull that was spotted from a road that is over 350 that will be killed!

It's no ones fault that you couldn't find a bull. It is your kids fault he did not let someone deserving have that tag!
 
Thanks for your offer. Not interested in shooting one from the road. Nice to know there are some giants around. ??
 
>>>If you turn a tag in,
>>>you should lose all your
>>>points and go to the
>>>end of the line. When
>>>I drew S.W. desert Archery
>>>elk I broke my arm
>>>on the unit scouting. Got
>>>the cast off five days
>>>before the hunt and couldn't
>>>pull my bow back. Maybe
>>>I should have turned my
>>>tag in like the rest
>>>of these sissies ;-)
>>
>>I think you should have and
>>I would think that was
>>a smart move considering the
>>situation. Turning a tag in
>>hurts no-one why such a
>>big deal.
>
>This happened back in 1999. I
>had 8 points and nobody
>at that point foresaw what
>a cluster Limited entry tags
>would become. I don't believe
>I was even aware you
>could turn a tag back
>in at that time. I
>did call to see if
>there was a way to
>get a crossbow permit. Because
>it wasn't a permanent disability
>it wasn't happening.
>
>Luckily I had the entire hunt
>off work because of my
>arm. Towards the middle of
>the hunt my arm became
>strong enough to shoot. I
>ate tag soup but did
>end up killing a pig
>old pink sow pig out
>there. She was probably about
>250-300 pounds. I couldn't believe
>my eyes seeing it out
>there.

Thinking harder on it, I believe max points in '99 was only 5 or 6.
 
Just mailed one back last week..surgery!
Kinda a scam, had till end of season to mail back(whats to keep a guy from hunting uptil then?) for refund and points..
Not saying where! I don't want to hurtful comments? Yes even I have feelings! Not!
Smacked
 
He could have hunted upto last day then turned tag back with a doctor filledout form and got a refund and points back..
As a non resi...
Not sure about residents.
Check it out it's true..
Give them a call and ask.
Smacked
 
I have no problem with a person turning a tag back, FOR ANY REASON. Those crying about it should rally up the troops and get the law changed. My wife will draw a great Elk tag next year. If it's hot and dry, no rut action, not seeing any good bulls we will turn it back. Then I will make a post on MM about it just to hear people cry about it.

P's. There is a penalty for turning it back. You lose your money and don't receive a point for that year.
 
Call UWR and ask them if you can turn in tag with a doc note!!
They will tell you that you have until the last day of the season to submit refund-point reimbursement with the appropriate form(on website)..(injury hardship).so I guess you can hunt up to last day you kill tag is used..see piss cutter give it back wait till next year..
Just saying..
I hate it too..but it works for those who know how its works..most state operate with somekind of tag-surrender/ refund/reinstated points..
Smacked
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-18 AT 08:58PM (MST)[p]Wrong!!
Doc note get your cash/points plus a point..
With proper doc filled out form and tag turn in..
Smacked
 
2013 Returned tag, got the call from DWR.

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>I have no problem with a
>person turning a tag back,
>FOR ANY REASON. Those
>crying about it should rally
>up the troops and get
>the law changed. My
>wife will draw a great
>Elk tag next year.
>If it's hot and dry,
>no rut action, not seeing
>any good bulls we will
>turn it back. Then
>I will make a post
>on MM about it just
>to hear people cry about
>it.
>
>P's. There is a penalty for
>turning it back. You lose
>your money and don't receive
>a point for that year.
>

Wrong! There is no penalty other than losing your money which is nothing.

Directly from the Guide book....
"If you surrender it before the start of the
season, you'll get all of your bonus points back,
and you'll receive a bonus point for that year."

This is going to change very soon.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-18 AT 02:10PM (MST)[p]DBG3285 -

>I have watched this thread, and
>have refrained from commenting....,,,
>
>But I agree. What WW's kid
>got away with is BS.
>
>
>And I have a better offer
>than dryfly.
>
>I can show you a bull
>from a road in the
>Wasatch unit that will go
>well over 350.
>
>Even better I can show you
>a bull that was spotted
>from a road that is
>over 350 that will be
>killed!
>
>It's no ones fault that you
>couldn't find a bull. It
>is your kids fault he
>did not let someone deserving
>have that tag!

Would be willing to bet that if we both agreed to meet in the spot you mention at a certain time, with no further discussion of where... We would end up parked right next to each other. Just after the corner where the road turns back toward the south. Correct??
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-18 AT 03:51PM (MST)[p]>Wrong!!
>Doc note get your cash/points plus
>a point..
>With proper doc filled out form
>and tag turn in..
>Smacked

Yep
 
>Wrong! There is no penalty other
>than losing your money which
>is nothing.
>
>Directly from the Guide book....
>"If you surrender it before the
>start of the
>season, you'll get all of your
>bonus points back,
>and you'll receive a bonus point
>for that year."
>
>This is going to change very
>soon.


Sweet!!!. I'll feel even better getting a point also.
 
Pardon my French, but WTF would you turn a tag back unless your lungs fell out or a Nebo-like unit fire??? What if the drought continues for another 4 or 5 years? What if the unit you drew, burns to the ground next spring? What if you have a heart attack and die? What if-- a million other things??? Go hunt and enjoy the experience and let the cards fall where they may. This urination contest over inches of bone on a buck or bulls head is simply laughable. Whatever happened to the excitement of just being able to pack a rifle, or bow, on a mountain or desert in the fall, with the chance to punch a tag? If it's all about inches for you that is certainly your right. But to have a San Juan tag or a Henry Mnt tag and turn it in because the weather is dry is beyond my level of understanding. Simply having the chance, regardless of how long it took to draw, is more than worth it to me. Plus what about the guy who gets the phone call 2 days before the hunt starts? I really believe the DWR needs to reassess the reason for turning a tag back. If you don't meet the requirements, to dang bad. I bet a bunch of guys on this site have had a hunt they didn't have much expectations about, turn our completely different that they would of ever imagined. What if you would of stayed home? NUTS!
 
>Thanks for your offer. Not interested
>in shooting one from the
>road. Nice to know there
>are some giants around. ??
>


I think you missed the point WW. I wasn't saying shoot one from the road. I was saying it's no ones fault but your kid's that he could not find bulls.
 
I guess I hunt for different reasons then a lot of folks on this site. Most of my hunts opening day is my first day in the unit. Most of the time I hunt a new spot I'm just happy to have a day or hour to be out there. I try to shoot the biggest one I can find. Last year I drew a Utah LE Bull tag. I shot a small 6 point on opening day. He was the first branched antler bull to walk in front of me, BOOM. Done. I draw a tag I'm going to go hunting. Maybe when or if the Hennery Mule deer tag is in my pocket I might show up a day or two early. But I will not turn the tag back.

DZ
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-18 AT 01:53PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-18 AT 01:52?PM (MST)

I've always thought it was dumb that you can't return a tag in some states for family emergency/trajedy or medical reasons.

However, in hunting there are no guarantees. When you apply for a hunt, you except the fact that you have no guarantee for the outcome you want. I suppose when you live in a state that has the "too bad, so sad" rule if you can't go, you just learn to make the best of what weather or biology throws at you.

I can understand the effect drought conditions played in people's decisions this year as I decided to sit out on OTC after not drawing anything this year because of it. Had I drawn, I would have gone.

I would have gone because next year I don't know if my life will change forever by being confined to a wheelchair or something else. Or that my wife would be.

Wish I had the feeling of being invincible and that there is always next year, but I live in the real world I guess and take the opportunity when it is afforded.

The one thing that makes sense for turning a tag back in for "personal goal reasons" is to have to sit out for the waiting period of 5 years (since we're in UT) to give Jr. a chance to grow up some...
 

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