Well they scored my flea mkt. muley

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onemoregun

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I want to say thanks for all the info and guesses on his score and would like input on how to enter him in the book if he is not already there.. He we go... He scored 222 1/8 typical and a whopping 289 7/8 non.. Would he be better off in NT or T.. Thanks
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I just called B&C in mt. to see where it scores better and I thought it was weird when he asked 3 times what the typical score was because it comes up rating #2 Typical all time and #34 NT. I have to send pictures and the original score sheet in and they will check, Hold on this is going to be a long ride..
 
Im with Feleno on this one. I can see it a both Books Buck but with all the abnormal points it will be significantly less than the # 2 or #3 typical. and no way it,s 289 non typical. But regardless of the score my hats off to you on a steal of an
awesome buck.
 
That is a sweet buck!

I think there has been some fudging on the measurements as well though. I'm no expert, but that was my first thought on the G2's - no way 30"! Same with the mainbeam. Plus, how about the spread credit, how did it get to be 38+?

Don't take this all the wrong way, it is a awful nice deer. Just not the 289". I was thinking that the NT score would be somewhere in the 220's, not the typical score. Just IMHO though.
 
You are right unless I measured wrong, I come up with around 27" main beams and 20" for the g-2's. What should I do now, Try a different scorer..It's not supposed to be scored after it was scored a first time, But now even I think it's wrong..
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-08 AT 01:37PM (MST)[p]Some one needs to learn how to score. For starters you will only get an spread score of 26-2/8" if in fact that is what the inside spread is and that is only if the shortest main beam is longer than the inside spread. There is also no way that the G2's are 3 times longer than the G3's. Way way off....

Sorry not buying it.
 
Looking at the paper then measuring myself I find the main beams to be about 27" and the g-2's about 20", That is about 40" less. If that is right he should only be 180"+ ?. What to do now?
 
Don't forget to subtract another 12" or so from the spread credit he gave you.
 
Whoever scored that deer has NO IDEA of what they are doing. Still an awesome rack though!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-08 AT 02:22PM (MST)[p]Is that really an official measurer # on that score sheet?

If so, do you have his phone number? I have a few racks for him to score:)
 
Great buck but the scoresheet is WRONG. Needs to be done by an official B&C scorer or at least someone who knows how to score.
 
I don't want to be hard on him everybody can make a mistake..I just got off the phone with him and he will be back tomorrow to Re score. He said he hasn't scored a muley in 10 yrs(we live on the east coast). He had his wife writing down the measurements maybe there was a mix up there. It has been a hell of a day I went from having the #2 Typical of all time to maybe it will make the book. Either way it has been a good time and maybe the best $325 I ever spent. I will let you know the outcome.
 
The G three meaurements doin't make sense. There is no way one is less than nine inches. In the pic they both look to be 13 or 14 inches. Still a great buck and well worth the money.

Antlerradar
 
you can go onto Boone and Crockets web site and measure the deer yourself. It gives you step by step instructions on how to measure. It will give you a better idea on what the deer actually scores.
 
That buck might go 240 NT. Still a sweet buck. Since I feel bad that it was initially scored wrong I'll give you twice what you paid for it.

Mike
 
I recommend asking for you money back and getting a new scorer...at the least getting another official scorer. This guy obviously doesn't even have a clue and how could you or us ever trust the guy?

Joey
 
Why would you have the same guy come back? A third grader should be able to measure a tine and read a tape measure.
 
I think he may have gotten th G-2 measurement starting from the base/burr instead of off of the main beam.
What I want to know is where he got the 38" measurements from????


But it is still an incredible buck!!!! and you could get quite a bit out of it!
 
OK!!!

FIND OUT WHO THIS OFFICIAL DIP-$HIT,I MEAN MEASURER IS AND HAVE HIM GIVE ME A CALL!!!

I MIGHT HAVE SOME BOOK BUCKS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT I'VE TOOK OUT OF THE NE PISSCUTTER REGION!!!

IT'S A NICE BUCK,BUT DAMN YOU CAN'T STRETCH EM THAT FAR!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
Chet, some if not most official measurers charge a fee. If this guy did, his job done was soo bad, i don't think he deserves keeping what he charged,especially when i think the owner should get/pay someone else to do the job correctly. That's what i ment.

Joey
 
Hey, is that the same guy that measured up the new Utard state Record with a 229 inch frame? LMAO!!!!

It is obvious the guy that measured this buck is on Crack. Don't get him to do it again. Find another offical measurer. I get a kick out of the numbers on that score sheet. Definately a good laugh. Thanks for posting this up. :) You've still got yourself a potential booner. It might squeek all-time but at the very least should make awards. No way in hell is it the potential #2 typical. If you did indeed use an official measurer, it would have been pretty embarrassing for the B&C when it went to the Panel for verifing. LOL!
 
He did not charge me or accept the $$ I offered for fuel. He said it was illegal to accept because it could be seen as a bribe.
 
PLEASE POST THE B&C SCORERS NAME!!!

I THINK YOU CAN GET A BIG SCORE FROM CUPSY TOO!!!

BUT IT TAKES ONE HELLUVA TIP!!!



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
Chet, Your comment got me thinking so i looked it up.I found this in their list of policies;

"CHARGING FOR MEASURING
Official measurers volunteer their time and talents to officially score trophies for the Club?s Awards Programs. This service is provided to the public free-of-charge, regardless of whether or not a trophy meets the minimum scores established by the Club. Measurers who reportedly charge are simply asked to refrain from such activity or to resign from their positions.

There are many reasons why this policy was implemented. However, the most significant reason is the fact that the Club does not want measurers put in a position that compromises their integrity in any way. Official Measurers could feel obligated to ?find? an inch or so for trophies scoring near the minimums if paid by trophy owners for their services.

So... i stand corrected. I do believe that back when i scored a lot of bucks for friends, family, and our Bay Area contest, if you wanted to have a buck officially scored, there was a fee to cover the mans gas, travel, and such.

Joey
 
There is so much BS and wrong info in this post I don't know where to start so I won't......I also suspect OM # L025 is a fake or in the final stages of alzhiemers.

JB
 
>There is so much BS and
>wrong info in this post
>I don't know where to
>start so I won't......I also
>suspect OM # L025 is
>a fake or in the
>final stages of alzhiemers.
>
>JB

LMAO! Dang I'm glad JB is back!

Eel
 
My guess is that this guy was burning 10" on a tape when he was measuring and forgot to deduct the 10" from the number he was reading. It's easy to do, just ask any carpenter. I'm not yet ready to throw bombs at this guy.
 
I don't know if I would go through the hassle of all this for a buck that I personally did not harvest. I guess you are too far into it now though - gotta find out exactly! Good luck. Also, please get a new cape for that thing and a better form too - he deserves much better.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
Trouble? .. I am having fun with this, although I could have done without the up and down of the contender for all time 2nd place..As for the remount I will decide after the re scoring.
 
I'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE YOU POST THE SCORERS NAME???

I MIGHT KNOW HIM???

THATS HOW THEY SCORE EM HERE IN THE PISSCUTTR REGION!!!

SOMETIMES WE MULTIPLY BY 2!!!

AND ON TOUGHER YEARS LIKE THIS YEAR WE MULTIPLY BY 3!!!

I CAN'T IMAGINE A TRUE B&C SCORER ACTUALLY SCORED THE BUCK???



THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
He came back and WE re scored it, I paid more attention this time and I think it is right, although I have to say it is not easy and I can see how there could be differences between 2 scorers, Not 40" but I could see a inch or two. I think he had the stick ruler folded to 10" and got him measurements from there being the 4 big measurements were off by close to 10" each...Then he made a mistake with the spread credit which was another 10"... It scored 172 1/8 Typical and 240 3/8 NT..It makes the all time book for NT..
 
An official score has to be taken with a 1/4" steel tape and a cable, not a stick ruler. If this buck was scored with a ruler, the score could still be way off.
 
He used a 1/4 steel tape and a cable but when he marked the cable he put it against a stick ruler to get the measurement.
 
jezzus... with a 25' Stanley you can get within a couple inches. :)

Column 1 should be the inside spread, assuming the MB are 28+", and assume the MB and the G2's are off by 10" each, the net non-typ score is about 238.

Either way its a BFB and a great find reguardless of it makes book or not.
 
One of the funnier posts ever.

One thought on the cape, to me, it doesn't look worn and weathered, it actually looks dirty. I would get a new one for SURE!
 
Well...I'm sure I'm not the only who's wondering if you're going to post the re-measure sheets?
 
I don't see 70" in difference between Typ and Nontyp..

You can actually clean the cape and it will look much better. You will need to be careful when cleaning it not to ruin it. It looks like it was in a smokers house.

Still a dandy buck!!!!!!!!
 
So now it has a 170" main frame?

Thats the biggest 170" buck I have ever seen.

That is a fantastic flea market find and I would have bought it also. To hell with the score.
 
I would guess he's a 205 mainframe, but netted 170 after 35" of NT deductions. Add the deducts back in for NT score and you get 240".
 
I've checked your numbers as shown on the NT score sheet, and I noticed a few possible errors. First, the inside spread credit is 26 2/8", not 38 6/8". Second, the lengths of the main beams are 10" too long as you said. Third, the G2 lengths are also 10" too long. Fourth, it looks like you may have the measurements for the G3 & G4 points swapped. Fifth, the difference for the H2 circumferences is wrong.

According to your numbers (corrected where needed), the score is 239 3/8" NET NT, 171 5/8" NET TYP, OR 246" GROSS.

No matter what the score, that is a great buck and deserves to be appreciated by all. It should look great if you could get the antlers cleaned and a new cape on a re-mount. Congrats on a great find.
 
If it's got 33 7/8" of extras, you would add that to the score for NON-TYPICAL, but you would subtract that for a TYPICAL. That is 67 6/8" of difference.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-08 AT 05:03PM (MST)[p]dude probably is darners best friend ;-) still not seein thirty inch's in extra closer to twenty and looks pretty symmetrical so nother 7-9" in deductions makes this a 200" typ gross probably round 210, if i were really gettin serious so minus the 30" extra and you get 180 or so net typ sounds alot better than what that guy got ya. but i dunno im a rookie with muley's gimme and elk and ill come kinda close ;-)
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Wildlife population control specialist
 
It's 171 5/8" after subtracting the 6 5/8" of symetry deductions & 33 7/8" of NT points from the 212 4/8" gross typical frame.

Does that make more sense?
 
leonard how in the name of all thats holy did they come up with thiry plus inches of extra tine????
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Although I feel the score is right or close I am going to set up a time with my taxidermist to go over my options about the re mount and see if he can get another person to re score him before I put him in the book..
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-08 AT 02:52PM (MST)[p]I have seen some very strange measurements being made as of late guess my official tape has shrunk just does not come up with the same widths as some say.Ha
I even had a guy in Colorado tell me a mule deers ears were 27 inches wide over there which had me scratching my head trying not to laugh out loud.
38 inch main beams WOW.I need that guy to measure all my animals also Bess.
Nice buck that's for sure but the scoresheet tells it all,
No Way does that buck score that high.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-08 AT 02:57PM (MST)[p]

If you have had an OM officially measure that buck.....you cannot "just" have it rescored by another OM, you have to contact B&C and voice your concerns and get their permission to have it officially rescored by another OM. B&C really frowns on score shopping.

Contrary to popular belief, getting something officially scored and enetered into B&C is serious business. Or certainly is supposed to be.

JB
 
Why do you want this in B&C? you didn't shoot it, you bought the thing why go through this if you didn't harvest the buck yourself, are you going to enter it as your buck?
 
I am enjoying this, It is new to me and I am learning about it. I also think if this deer grew enough antler to make a book that celebrates that and can be shared with all interested I will do it. As for having it re scored to "shop" for inches that is not the case, It is going to be re scored due to the 1st mistake and to double check the measurement before I enter it ..No it will not be entered in my name, I will be the owner and if we can figure out the name on the harvest tag he will get the credit for the harvest.
 
>Why do you want this in
>B&C? you didn't shoot it,
>you bought the thing why
>go through this if you
>didn't harvest the buck yourself,
>are you going to enter
>it as your buck?

Why does anyone put a deer in the book, even if they did shoot it? Might as well include a map to your favorite hunting area too.
 
>I am enjoying this, It is
>new to me and I
>am learning about it. I
>also think if this deer
>grew enough antler to make
>a book that celebrates that
>and can be shared with
>all interested I will do
>it. As for having it
>re scored to "shop" for
>inches that is not the
>case, It is going to
>be re scored due to
>the 1st mistake and to
>double check the measurement before
>I enter it ..No it
>will not be entered in
>my name, I will be
>the owner and if we
>can figure out the name
>on the harvest tag he
>will get the credit for
>the harvest.



onemoregun,

It doesn't matter why you are getting it rescored....if an OM has officially scored it, you cannot have it rescored my another OM for a second official score without permission from B&C hq's. That is to protect OM's and to not waste their time. B&C considers all OM's qualified and equal and only they can make a determination of a mistake.

JB
 
I learned how to read in my early years of grade school. I got the numbers straight off of his score sheet.
 

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