Colorado D.O.W. WHAT A CROCK!!

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-08 AT 07:05PM (MST)[p]Well just got back from Colorado and tried a new unit this year. Friends chose this spot (Unit 4) due to past results from previous friends that hunted the area. Had friends do research during the off season due to the bad winter last year in the gunnison area, figured we had better check out and make sure the deer herd where we planned on hunting wasnt effected.

So after MULTIPLE phone calls to D.O.W. biologists pretty much we were told that the deer WEREN'T effected and that it should be great hunting. So five of us get there couple days before the season to do some scouting and as usual pretty warm, but hey we have been used to that in another area we hunt and have done very well even with the hot temps.

Well after two days of scouting, my group cant even turn up a deer, let alone a legal buck. So opening morning comes, whether is getting colder and a winter storm is in route, you would think that this would be the ticket to seeing some animals moving. Well after 7 days of hunting, between 5 guys we maybe saw 5 bucks (2-forkie and 4x4 were killed, and 1 (little forkie) missed) and maybe a total of 40 deer the whole trip.

Now this is where the BS comes in to play, the day before the season ends, our group is visited by a BLM employee, who let us know the truth about the situation. Apparently over the past winter the deer in this area were just devastated to nothing. Not only was last years winter a close to 70% loss, but the same deer herd took an approximate 40% loss in the winter of 06.

Now I dont know about how some of you feel, but to me I spend a grip of money to go hunting and to be constantly lied to by the Division of Wildlife for colorado, to me is just a kick in the crotch with a steal toe boot. I understand that yeah their budget is based on license sales, but to allow a unit that the deer have been devastated to almost nothing t be hunted and to pretty much pull the wool over hunters eyes, to me is just wrong.

I am just curious if any of you experienced the same thing. Sorry about the rant, but something needs to be done about this, for I guarantee you I know a lot of hunters that I talked to aint going to be spending their money in the Craig area next year.
 
archerymuleyslayer, I can understand how you feel.
it does seem like they are in it for the money more than the wildlife after last winter which really is a shame.

In your last line you said "for I guarantee you I know a lot of hunters that I talked to aint going to be spending their money in the Craig area next year."
If you still plan on hunting CO they don't care what you say cause they will still get your money any way if you hunt CO...

Hopefully the DOW listens to the hunters and gets a better system in place to have more accurate population #'s, that way they won't be able to lie as easily.


Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
I blew a few years worth of points this year not in but near the Gunnision basin, we saw about the same amount of deer as some years ago when there were over the counter tags, but the average size was smaller this time, we didn't contact D.O.W. but they decreased tags only slightly so I guess they figured the winter kill was minimal, it will be interesting what they will report later about this years hunting season, Im curious as why so many people who write about the lack of deer this year had to kill the last few remaining deer? its disappointing and expensive but I ate the tag
 
How is this so? I keep being told how Colorado is the Utopia of deer hunting/management and that other states should learn from Colorado how to get 'great' results. WTH?

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
>How is this so? I keep
>being told how Colorado is
>the Utopia of deer hunting/management
>and that other states should
>learn from Colorado how to
>get 'great' results. WTH?
>
>Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy
>and opportunity hunts throughout the
>state of Utah.

HEHEHE
Good one PRO.
HEHEHE
------------------------------------------------------
"Yeah, I'll shoot him"
 
Bad winter, the difference is with a few years of favorable weather the deer herds will bounce back in Co. in Utah they don't
 
>How is this so? I keep
>being told how Colorado is
>the Utopia of deer hunting/management
>and that other states should
>learn from Colorado how to
>get 'great' results. WTH?
>
>Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy
>and opportunity hunts throughout the
>state of Utah.


your thinkin of nevada...............
 
The same in unit 82. I think more of our problem was people picking pinon nuts. my wife did kill her first buck a nice 3x3 on opening day and I harvested a smaller buck 2x4. my problem is with Elk. i unit 82 all the elk our on the nature conservancy. There is some huge bulls on this land but you can't hunt it.
 
"(2-forkie and 4x4 were killed, and 1 (little forkie) missed)"

Did you guys kill those animals, or someone else? If it was you guys, and you trully believed the herds were in trouble, why did you harvest those deer? Maybe you need, or like mulie meat a lot more than I do...
 
>"(2-forkie and 4x4 were killed, and
>1 (little forkie) missed)"
>
>Did you guys kill those animals,
>or someone else? If it
>was you guys, and you
>trully believed the herds were
>in trouble, why did you
>harvest those deer? Maybe you
>need, or like mulie meat
>a lot more than I
>do...


4000fps,

Yes 2 of the hunters in my group of 5 killed those. This was before we learned of the massive winter kill from the BLM employee. Dont get me wrong we had an idea something was up, but in the camp next to us was a D.O.W. biologists from the craig area who was still feeding us the line of BS that only about "maybe 10%" of the deer herd was lost to the winter kill.

If you want to give me or my group crap for harvesting those two deer, so be it. Obviously D.O.W. doesnt care about that deer herd in that area and Im not gonna tell other people wht to do with their tags.

Bottom line is DOW is the ones letting this deer herd getting destroyed and pulling the wool over everone's eyes about the status of this deer herd just so they keep getting their money.
 
I was told the exact same thing about unit 53. It was obvious to me after hunting the unit they had lost a lot more deer than they led me to believe!
It may have been a 5 pref. point unit in the past but, my 3rd season hunt this year was definitely only a 1 or 2 pref. point type of hunt!
 
I agree the DOW needs to be more responsible but I think we as hunters/conservationist share in that responsibility. I realize the temptation is great to kill a buck even if it is a lesser deer. The cost to travel out of state, time off work and away from family, etc. I think we need to look at the big picture and give these animals a chance to mature and re-populate if we know they have been severely impacted due to winter kill. To say we didn't know is not exactly true either. There were endless posts this past winter about how the record snow levels were affecting the deer on their winter range. Just one man's opinion.

JR
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-08 AT 01:20PM (MST)[p]>I agree the DOW needs to
>be more responsible but I
>think we as hunters/conservationist share
>in that responsibility.

Exactly how I see it too. The problem with the DOW, is it is a government agency, they hire on quota, and have limited resources since it is not taxpayer funded.

That being said, it is up to the hunters to have a little self control, and to get involved. Unless you really need the meat, why smoke a yearling buck? Especially one that had the endurance to withstand last winter as a fawn.

This reminds me of a few people I know, that like to shoot coyotes year round. Then when winter comes, they complain that they aren't calling in any dogs.
 
Went to the Craig area the hunt muledeer second season this fall for the first time. I have hunted whitetails in VA. for over 35 yrs. now & have killed my share. I was told the same story about tons of deer from the DOW office! WRONG! I was sad & sickened by the winter kill carcasses found EVERYWHERE! This will be one of my memories from my trip! My question is: With the out of state license cost & other money that comes in from ALL, and I do mean ALL, the hunters, why not feed some of these animals thru the bad winters? Seems that it would be very easy since they all come down and congregate together???? I found a spot this yr. while hunting, were there was two dead cow elk, nice muledeer buck, two small does(fawns),laying within 50 yds. of each other!!! SAD, SAD, SAD to this waste! Was told the DOW way of thinking is, this is mother nature's way! THE HUMAN WAY MUST BE: LET'S TAKE ALL THE MONEY WE CAN & WORRY ABOUT THE DAMAGE LATER! Only saw one buck all week on public land between 4 hunters. A small 2x2, & yes we shot him! At a cost of $1500.00 total cost per hunter, two weeks of vacation spent, driving almost 4000 miles!!!!!!!!!!! Please. Only saw maybe 25 animals (24) does all week of hard hunting & about 75 orange hats! Two choices here: Less hunters or feel the animals, or BOTH!
 
>Two choices here: Less hunters or
>feed the animals, or BOTH!

Third choice...don't shoot 2 points. If it were about the meat, go to the grocery store, and stay home. It is about the hunt.
 
Heck with winterkill ask the DOW how many deer they killed thmeselves in the craig area for chronic wasting disease.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-08 AT 06:52PM (MST)[p]Just remember all the comments next year when making choices of license applications.
If not Colorado ,then where? Same story in every state that I have looked into.If I go elk hunting next year,it will be to enjoy the hunt and if I get an animal ,thats just frosting on the cake .I really enjoy elk hunting , good or bad .

It's all Good !!
 
One of the local meat processors in Gunnison is saying his deer business is down 85% and elk is down 50%. I think this is a pretty clear indication of how bad the winter kill was.
 
I'm sure the deer business is way down... they cut the buck tags 60% as well as all doe tags. Not sure what to think about the elk though.

Sad state for sure.
 
I find it intersesting that you are blaming your hunt on the DOW. If you want to hunt a quality unit, get off your butt and go scout it and figure out the situation for yourself. I would never call the DOW and ask them about the deer in the area and then blame them for my crappy experience.
For all we know, maybe you weren't even in the right spot. It bugs me when people just put in for units they no nothing about and then balme the state for not harvesting a huge buck.

Do your own research and find your buck before the season starts, that way you have no one to blame but yourself. I'm glad you hosers didn't kill any nice bucks, you didn't deserve it.
 
Wow matt, pretty strong and I feel undeserved words. Don't ask me for any help if you are trying to research an area, 'cause I don't give it out to posters like you.

We don't all have the ability to drive/fly out and take more days of vacation to scout an area. I suspect you are a CO resident and would be ok if the nonresidents just didn't show up, but then they would have to triple the price of your tag.

When anyone calls and asks about winterkill, I expect that the info given would be close to accurate. If they don't know, they should just say they are unsure.

DOW calls are only one aspect of a prehunt scouting and obviously shouldn't be relied on totally, but they have always been a good starting point.

Good hunting

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Nope, I'm just a Utard.

I have worked hard for every hunt that I have gone on. If I ask info from anybody it's just to get a starting point. I never ask for honey holes or anything, I simply gather thoughts and opinions so that I can start my research. There's always a starting point, but you should always do the work if you expect to kill a big buck.
The fact is, if you want to go out of state and hunt mule deer without scouting the area and never hunting it, you shouldn't expect anything. Hunting Trophy mule deer requires hard work and they are unpredictable. Some years are good, some years are bad. That's why scouting and research is sooo important.
The State of Colorado shouldn't be responsible for the outcome of someones hunt. Especially if they have never even been there or scouted it.
Sorry if I'm bold, but that's my opinion.
 
I hunted CO on the 3rd season this year and found the deer numbers to be minimal. I hunted hard, hiked and glassed a ton, in several areas of the unit and turned up nothing as far as deer goes. I did see bighorns, elk, bear, martins, grouse and just about everything else you can imagine but I didn't see one buck the entire hunt, it was kind of a bummer. Had fresh snow for the last 3 days and seen minimal tracks as well. I hunt hard and was a little bummed about the deer numbers, but oh well, hunting is hunting, sometimes you get them and sometimes they get you, it was still better than sitting at work for a week wishing I was hunting somewhere. Hopefully the deer numbers rebound in the next few years.
 
wow that sucks, where i hunted third season we saw some nice bucks but only had bull tags. all we saw was deer no elk.
 
Hjb is a little out of line, sounds like the kind of guy you wouldn't want to share a camp with if you know what I mean, its more than a little odd that the D.O.W didn't know about the severe winter kill and the B.L.M employees did. don't know if that one employee was just an air head or what, I know in our case we have hunted our area several times before and as recently as 2005 and I wish we would have known more about the situation, in defense of the D.O.W I don't think they knew the full extent of the mortality in many areas because of the long cold spring
 
>I find it intersesting that you
>are blaming your hunt on
>the DOW. If you want
>to hunt a quality unit,
>get off your butt and
>go scout it and figure
>out the situation for yourself.
>I would never call the
>DOW and ask them about
>the deer in the area
>and then blame them for
>my crappy experience.
> For all we know,
>maybe you weren't even in
>the right spot. It bugs
>me when people just put
>in for units they no
>nothing about and then balme
>the state for not harvesting
>a huge buck.
>
>Do your own research and find
>your buck before the season
>starts, that way you have
>no one to blame but
>yourself. I'm glad you hosers
>didn't kill any nice bucks,
>you didn't deserve it.


HJB,

Did you read my original posts...My group did the freaking research, we scouted the area 3 days before the season, we talked to people that hunted the unit in the second season, we talked to people who hunted the area for 20 plus years, we didnt freaking throw a dart at a map and said "hey this looks ike a good spot".

If you would get your head out your @$$ and realize that what Im pissed about is how DOW is telling people that the deer heard wasn't effected and that the deer herd is in good shape. I wasnt expecting to see a freaking trophy tied to every freaking tree, but I was expecting to see atleast a freaking deer running around a day. Trust me I put the freaking miles on my feet hunting this unit and to be blantly lied to by the DOW so they can aquire my money too me is a freakin scam...sorry I couldnt go every weekend from half way across the country and scout the area that I planned on hunting...when you see more deer carcass then actual live deer..I think there is a problem.

I guess DOW letting hunters still take doe's was a good decision as well on their part. GMAFB.
 
Say what you will, but like I said before "You never know what to expect while Hunting".
Sometimes you score sometimes you don't. Sometimes you see deer and sometimes you don't. You knew that Colorado had been effected by the harsh winter and you should have known that the deer numbers could be down.

My point is that THE DOW IS NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!

I had a pretty crappy year up here in Northern Utah for the deer hunt. There weren't half as many deer as I usually see and I did not even have a chance at a buck. Is this the Utah DWRs fault??? No, it's my fault because I knew there would be 100 other people in my canyon and I knew that there would be less deer, but I purchased a tag anyway. That's the way hunting goes sometimes. You can't control mother nature, and neither can the Colorado DOW.
They gave you false information, and that sucks, but you shouldn't rely on someones word anyway.


And no you wouldn't want to share a camp with me, my farts stink real bad.
 
Not to point the finger @ the DOW but, when you live half way around the county & you ARE doing your research, you call the DOW office & state game wardens and they ALL say "we have plenty of game" & winter kill was NOT bad! Then you get out there & see more winterkill aniamls than live ones running around! That's just wrong & a straight out lie! So how can you NOT blame them?????????????
 
Well, it is a fact that there was plenty of info about last years winterkill going around. If you didnt know that you shouldve, it was posted here numerous times if you look back thru history last year. It was also printed in the huntinfool magazine. Now you know where to get your info eh ? Not the DOW maybe ?
 
WOW,

Guys,,,I was told by many sources that unit 52 did not see much winter kill, Well, lets just say I had to turn in my 4th season tag because I pre scouted 3 days before the season, and found about 12 deer in 2.5 days of scouting. IT SUCKED BIG TIME.
The fish and game acted like everything was just "fine and dandy" with the herds. Well think about it folks...the DOW relies on about 40% of there $$$$ to come from NONresident tag fees. Lets not mention the billions of dollars we give to the stores in CO for our gas and groceries... I pissed off too....Wasted my time and money to go look at a couple of pincher 4x4's.
Snowman
 
I have to agree. I also called DOW and asked about Unit 4 and they told me the deer were not affected by the winter kill. I took my wife up hoping that she could shoot her first deer and we hardly saw anything. I hunted there last year and killed a decent 4x4 and saw hundreds of deer. I went to all of the places that we saw them last year and nothing. I think that it is wrong for them to give out so many permits for an area that was hit so hard with winter kill and then tell people that the deer were not affected. I know that it ultimatly it comes down to me and my scouting, but to lie to people-COME ON!
 
>Bad winter, the difference is with
>a few years of favorable
>weather the deer herds will
>bounce back in Co. in
>Utah they don't


And Idaho they don't.
 
Hey i feel the pain with the rest of ya'll ,this aint CO but a the same type of thing happened to me in AZ, i bought a left over tag for a unit in southern arizona and had never hunted the unit before i left to go down there and forgot my maps, i found a game warden asked him for some information and he told me that he didnt have any maps and didnt know where to find any deer. yeah our tax dollars hard at work.
 
You guys are really something else, like I have said before winter kills are minimal the 10% that you heard of is pretty close to correct. Slayer if you guys did do research it doesnt seem like you friend did a good job, and I agree with hjb you cant blame the dow for you not killing a deer thats why it is called hunting and not shooting. I know plenty of guys that tagged out in unit 82 plus they have tags to hunt the wildlife refuge down there so there are no excuses just need to do some better research on your part.

Last time I checked the blm wasnt involved in the terrestrial counts during the year. If you guys were looking for bucks you have to get off the road and hoof it put the work in and you will see more than other hunters while you drive on the road.
 
You guys are really someting, winter kills are minimal why doesn't anybody understand that on here. the 10% that the biologist told you about is probably pretty accurate you guys that see a carcass automatically think it is a winter kill have you heard of mtn lion kills and poachers? they kill more deer and elk than winter snows.

I agree with HJB you guys cannot and should not blame the Dow for your hunts. Slayer you said that your buddy did some research well it must not of been that good or you guys just dont know there area that well. just because you showed up to days early doesnt mean you have an area scouted serious hunters will spend a whole lot of time in the woods during the summer learning patterns of the animals they will be hunting and even then it is not guaranteed that they will kill anything, that is why it is called hunting and not shooting. Everyone on here that complained about there hunt should just be thankful that you were able to get out and enjoy the privilege that the state allows you to enjoy. After all hunting isnt a right. As for unit 82 I know plenty of people that filled there tags with deer and elk. and for the wildlife refuge there are special tags you can get to hunt on there just do some better research. And last I knew the blm does not take part in the terrestrial counts with the dow during the year.
 
I had a archery deer tag in Colorado last year and could not have asked for a better hunt.
I saw big bucks every day, put alot of stalks on great bucks,ended up killing a cool 5x5.
The only problem I had was over the counter elk hunters. I only saw one other guy hunting deer, the rest were driving around on the roads whineing about not seeing any deer.
If I could get another tag I would go back in a second!
 
""You guys are really someting, winter kills are minimal why doesn't anybody understand that on here. the 10% that the biologist told you about is probably pretty accurate you guys that see a carcass automatically think it is a winter kill have you heard of mtn lion kills and poachers? they kill more deer and elk than winter snows.""

RUFFNECK
Dude you dont know what your talking about, The guy was talking about unit 4, not 82 I'm sure 82 was fine its clear down at the bottom of the state, they didnt get near as much snow as 4 did, The deer was desemated in the area around Craig, I saw it with my own eyes last March, there was still over a foot of snow (in March) and all the deer were down next to the highway, There were Dead deer every where you looked even way up on the hills away from the road and all of the live ones were nothing but skin and bones. The Area was HIT HARD and lost a ton of deer due to winter kill.

How bout you get your facts before you go spouting off RUFFNECK, no one said the whole state of Colorado had a bad winter but the northern part of the state had a duzzy last year.

My buddy had a unit 4 tag as well and had the same exspirence as archerymuleyslayer.




Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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>The same in unit 82. I
>think more of our problem
>was people picking pinon nuts.
>my wife did kill her
>first buck a nice 3x3
>on opening day and I
>harvested a smaller buck 2x4.
>my problem is with Elk.
>i unit 82 all the
>elk our on the nature
>conservancy. There is some huge
>bulls on this land but
>you can't hunt it.


Guess you should read all comments JakeH before you go spouting off. There are various areas mentioned in this thread not just gmu 4 so im commenting on all of it. So if you think the deer are desemated in unit 4 stop applying and shooting deer in there. Dont just complain about it help the dow regain the so called desemated deer in gmu 4.
 
I can't stand it. Everyone on here from Utah bitching about Colorado DOW should shut up.
After what Utah did to out of state hunters you should just shut the hell up. Do the math and shut up.
The rest of you should just enjoy your Freedom to come on over and hunt with the rest of us. Colorado is the most likely place to get out and enjoy what's left of the Great Wide Open Spaces that allow most of us and I mean one heck of a lot of us to enjoy what may be a slow death for hunting as we know it anyway.
Over the Counter Man !
 
OK, my bad I skimed through it, should have read the whole thing better I appologize. And I have never hunted in 4, and that was my buddys first year in there.

Here is what you said.
"Slayer you said that your buddy did some research well it must not of been that good or you guys just dont know there area that well."

The guy talked to Dow biologists to learn the area and was told the area was not affected by the bad winter, when it clearly was if they were told that it wasnt then they were lied to, maybe they should have spent some more time in there but that oppiton isin't there for everyone thats why they called the biologist.

The guy was saying that they were lied to and clearly they were, its BS for that to have happened. Do you disagree with that.

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Easy there Badgerman. While I agree with what you say it's just the internet. I archery hunted deer in your great state and I had a great hunt! I saw fantastic bucks every single time out. I'm coming back next fall. Pro - I stand by my feelings about Colorado. Utah could absolutely learn a thing or 2 about deer management. As said above, CO's deer herd will bounce back pretty quick with a moderate tag reduction. Utah's herd never has except in certain areas where you don't stand a chance in hell of ever drawing a tag! Thanks Colorado!

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
yes colorado sucks, all you outta state hunters gtfo.


Width isnt everything, its the ONLY thing.
 
Well I know a few of the bios that work for the dow and I just wouldnt see why they would give someone bad info. There are to many variables that come into play on what happened to the deer, what makes you guys say it is winter kill? as oppose to something else?
 
The original poster is dead-on. The DOW has no business not being honest about winter kill. This guy was trying to do his research to the best of his ability given where he lived. To get on your high-horses about 'you should've scouted' is a joke. If the guy lives 2,000 miles away- it's just not realistic to come out and scout. I personally EXPECT the truth when I call an employee of the state I'm hunting in.

The fact that they weren't honest is unethical, dishonest, and in my terms, piss-poor behavior. I heard their reports, and I was in 4 after my antelope hunt last year to do some scouting. It was bad. From what I saw, they out and out lied to this guy. If you want to side with the DOW, go ahead. But I'd have a hard time sleeping at night if I were them.

WH
 
Since you guys think you are smarter than the bios tell me what makes you think these dead deer were killed by winter kill as oppose to something else? were you able to perform a biological exam to come to this conclusion? or is there the chance they could of died from something else besides snow?
 
Uhh- I think people make that deduction from the snowfall reports correlated to the number of deer seen as compared to previous years when there was considerably less snowfall. But I can't speak for everyone. I guess my other reasoning is because that what the people and ranchers who live in Craig 365 days a year and witnessed the winter kill first hand told me. Not saying I or any of these people who live up there are smarter than the biologists or the DOW, but I am saying that these people have no vested interest or outside motivation to tell me anything other than the TRUTH.

WH
 
Could it be that these deer had cwd and were weak from it and were not able to survive the winter? Like I said before if you believe there are fewer deer in the unit apply somewhere else and quit complaining about the problem and call your local area office and ask what you can do to help the deer herd flourish in your unit again.
 
CWD....Dont be stupid. Dude I've been around deer my whole life, those deer were starveing to death. And I dont need a Bio to tell me that.

Lets entertain your CWD theory, there was still a huge die off, and the bioligist's still lied to the guy.

No one said it was your bioligst buddys that did the lieing but that dosent mean they werent Lied to. I dont know why you are trying to stick up for them so bad.




Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Stupid? do you know the effects of cwd? Loss of appetite so of course they look like they were starving. Why are you getting mad? Is it because I have been able to contradict your arguments? I respect the opinions on and theories that are mentioned but it they are not conclusive DUDE! Tell you what call the bio up for the area and tell him your story of all the dead deer you saw and ask him if it is due to winter kill or a variety of things and see what he tells you.
 
Im not mad, your the one who is getting all defenseive for your buddys, And I told you I would entertain your theory about the CWD, there was still a crap load of dead deer up there, why did the bioligest tell him the deer were in good shape when clearly they wasnt.




Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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I actually dont believe he was lied to if you go back to the original post he said that they saw 40 deer during their trip. I dont know about you but if I see that many animals on a hunting trip I would say it is a good one regardless if I shot anything or not. So they didnt get the trophy they were looking for so what how many of us do? like I said hunting is not a right it is a privilege and we should all be happy to get out and enjoy our natural resources.
 
IF what he said is true he was lied to, I know guys that live in craig and have hunted there for years and it was not uncommon for them to see over 300+ deer during the season. You keep trying to make excuses for the biolgist that lied to them, "could have been CWD" "hunting is a privilege they should be happy no matter what" "mountain lions and poachers" You know what if the bioligest would have told them that there was some winter kill and that it wouldnt be as good as usual, they would have nothing to complain about, but he didnt he told them there was no effect. Have you even been up here, its wide open country that you can do alot of glassing in and see a ton of deer.

They gave out 2193 Resident 2nd season tags in '07
and 1275 resident tags in '08

They gave out 1101 Resident 3rd season tags in '07
and 680 in '08

They did the right thing by reduceing the tags in the area, witch shows that they knew there was a alot less deer going into '08 so why then did they tell this guy there wasnt any winter kill above what is normal.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Well you could be right on the less deer or im not sure i would have to check but the population objectives could of been met. These are not excuses they are fact in my personal knowledge of how the dow works. which by the way does a way better job than most state wildlife agencies in the country.
 
I agree the CDOW dose a way better Job then most, maybe the guy should have named the post something different, and called out the bio more than the Dow.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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You guys have finally reached the correct conclusion.
It was that particular person who was wrong!!
I have had very good info from them most every time I call. One came right out and said that unit was managed for success, not trophy deer. The tag numbers tell the real story. I looked up a unit I have hunted often with good success and they issued 275 tags in '07, and 80 tags in '08. Yeah the deer were hammered in some areas of the state. All in all, CDOW does as good a job as any state in the west.
 
You said 2-forkies and 4x4 were killed, and
1 (little forkie) missed)
Did you guys kill those animals, or did someone else? If you thought or knew the deer herds were down, why are you shooting these smaller bucks? Sounds like your part of the problem your complaining about. Everyone knew how bad Colorados winter was in 2008!!! If I was a betting man I would guess you are a UTARD!! Let these little bucks grow BIG!!!
 
It's also Colorado's fault that they shot two points. You see everybody is always talking about the big bucks in Colorado so they figured that all the had to do was get a tag and go. Well since they didn't find the monsters that they thought would be tied up to the fence posts, they were forced to shoot forkies.
It's all the DOWs fault, they are not responsible for anything at all. I personally think that they should take the state of Colorado to court for this outrage! Nobody should come home from Colorado with a two point, dang DOW!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-09 AT 07:15PM (MST)[p]Did the Colorado D.O.W hold a gun to there heads and say pull the trigger? So because you dont see the big bucks you shoot the little ones? Doesnt make any sense to me, let the little ones grow big!!!
 
I stayed home last year. It eas all over the net about the bad winter CO had. If you did not hear of the weather kills you had to have been on the moon. Blaming the DNR is a cop out.
 

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