Would You Shoot This Mgmt Buck w/ a LE Tag?

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The mgmt buck post got me thinking how many people would pass a buck like this on a regular LE Tag.

I know you can't see it but he is a 3 x 4 with browtines and I venture to say he is pushing the 30" mark. Do you think he will break the 30" mark?

I would shoot this buck on just about any limited entry hunt... especially with the management tag I'm fixing to draw next year.

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CS

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Yes, wackem n stackem...my question is does anyone want to venture a guess at how many points it will take to draw a management tag???
CSO

It's all about the good times...
 
28" willow horned buck no way unless it was the last minute of the last day. Only because it would taste better then tag soup on a managment tag.

My guess is it is going to be a hard hunt to draw. Look at how many people put in for the managment elk tags. I say 6 points will get you a tag.



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Last day buck - I would definitely pass him up early in the season. I saw AMEN to SWBM and fatrooster.

That buck probably only scores in the 130 - 140 range, it is hard to tell from the pic.

He may eventually break the 30 inch mark if you let him live.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I would say that is a perfect "objective" buck for management hunt planners.......but not the "objective" of most management hunt tag holders....




great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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I personally think he's old and on his way down. Look at his gut and his back hips. I'd take him as a management buck late in the season.

Donnie
 
I agree, I think he is an older buck on his way out and that's the type of deer you need to take out of the gene pool....
Good management deer...

OMB


There's room for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed taters and gravy.
 
Yes! He's no big trophy but if i was on a management hunt or in a great area and i couldn't find the big boy, i'd prefer to take this guy out, a decent buck, and leave the 150-170" 4X4's live to grow another year. That's me.

Joey
 
To answer your question on how many points it'll take to draw a management buck tag, I say closer to 10 points.
 
Some of the posts on here are exactly why the management program fails. People hunt these management hunts like a LE hunt. That is a perfect example of a management buck. I guess everybody is holding out for a 170+ 3 point?

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Thank you AWLB!! Anyone that would pass this buck has no business applying for a management tag. A trophy hunter mentality on a management hunt is the dumbest thing i have every heard.
 
Thanks to AWLB for saying that. I'm reading this thread, thinking WTF, if this is a MANAGEMENT hunt, then that is a classic management buck. If you want a trophy hunt, apply for that tag, if you're on a management hunt, this should be a very nice deer for that situation.
 
if you had a managment tag on the bookcliffs Bang its dead. wouldnt have thought twice.

if you have a managment tag on the heneries you would be crazy to shoot this buck. There are alot better managment bucks right now then this weak young willow buck. Until the cream of the managment bucks have been taken out you wont have people taking bucks like this.

You would be stupid to wast your 6-10 points as people are thinking to take a buck of that caliber.


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Prism, the answer to your question is simple.... Almost every guy who draws the Book Cliffs would shoot a 20" 4x4 over a 26" 3x4.

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If you are a trophy hunter you would be stupid to apply for any management tag.
 
I would bet just about anything that this is not a young buck but an ol' boy on his way down. Perfect managment buck. I'm not familiar with the way Utah's system is set up but if I put in for a management tag, this is exactly the kind of buck a management hunt is about. I'd bet he's not a day younger than 8 years old.

Donnie
 
On a management hunt on most units this would be a good buck - but not on "any old" or "regular" LE hunt as was stated in the first post. On a regular OTC hunt he is a dream buck in most areas.



UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I saw this buck in person yesterday and YES I would shoot him in a second. But I would rather shoot the one that I saw across the canyon from this buck.
 
Exactly! - that is exactly what this post is about. If you had a regular LE tag and both of these two standing close together you would take the other one. However, if it was the end of the season, you hadn't found a better one (or had but failed to get a shot on him) this would be a nice buck. However if you were hunting in a management hunt, instead of a regular LE permit and this one and the other one were standing side by side - which one would you take then? Consider they are the best two bucks in the unit - which one?

If you were truly management hunting you would pop this one and let the other one walk.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I'm thinking bucks that might have something more than three on a side will be shot mistakenly and left to rot. Points restrictions, other than two point minimium, generally do lead to that.....
 
Managment tags won't work they did'nt work for elk "says the wildlife board." We need to make the whole state, state wide spike for deer and once in a life time for a 4 point buck.
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writen with sarcasim and stupid mentality of the wildlife board.

Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
>Some of the posts on here
>are exactly why the management
>program fails. People hunt
>these management hunts like a
>LE hunt. That is
>a perfect example of a
>management buck. I guess
>everybody is holding out for
>a 170+ 3 point?
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>It's always an adventure!!!
>www.awholelottabull.com

+1
Heck yes I would shoot this buck on a management hunt.
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I wouldnt shoot it just because I heard it has to be 3 or less on both sides and if im not mistaken he just forks to a four on his left g2 LOL
 
AS far As the age of this buck I would guess hes is not very old most bucks on there down hill usually shorten and gain mass this buck does not and as far as the width if this buck if he is a older buck his ears would be between 20 and 24 inches at most if that was the case this would be a 28 - 32 incher if hes a younger buck his ear spread would most likely be about 20 inches so that said I think he is a 4 or 5 year old approximately 28-29 inches just a guess though!!!
Give him two years Id bet hed push 32-34 the way hes growing!!

Nice wide buck wish he had some mass hed look great!!
 
85% of the time I would agree with you on the age but... I have seen a good many bucks that are tall wide and thin horned that were old downhill bucks. The reason I believe he's an old buck is body shape. In the first picture there is a little young buck standing down on the right. Not only do his horns reflect his age but his body does as well. There is a drastic difference between the bodies of the 2 bucks. I'm guessing the age of the younger buck at 2 1/2. By your logic, if the bigger buck was say... 5 1/2, he should show much more mass and be in his prime of anlter growth. By judging the bodies I would say the bigger buck is at least 3-4 years older than the young one. To me the only explanation is that its a big bodied mature deer that won't gain any more size in his antlers and is a perfect example of a management buck.

Please don't think I'm here just to argue.

I am not trying to be condicending, I think this is an excellent discussion and I am enjoying this thread very much.

Donnie

Donnie
 
I agree - I don't think this buck will get any bigger. I think he is an older buck on the downhill slide. Regardless of age, if you are truly hunting a "management" hunt - you would want to take him. The purpose of a management hunt is to stregthen the gene pool by selective harvesting. This buck may have been fantastic when he was younger, and if he is a young buck may turn into a great buck, but age is very very hard to judge in the field with a live mule deer on the hoof. And if you are truly "managing" the herd you have to decide that though this buck is nice, he clearly has inferior traits (willowy antlers, not a lot of heigt, 3X4, boxy frame) and must be culled out of the gene pool. You can't take the chance that he is young and will grow into something bigger, because if not then he is inferior and will spread his probable inferior genes throughout another generation of deer.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I'd be tempted! Especially if it was a management buck. I'd probably put him in the bank until the last day though..

Im thinking 6+ pts and you're hunting management bucks. Let me pose the question though? You've come this far in the pts race, why not ride it out and shoot a hog?

CJ
 

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