Mike Brownlee's Velvet Bucks

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Shane

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I have seen several recent pictures of Mike with some exceptional velvet bucks over the last couple of years. I don't want to ask any specific questions other than what state are they from. Anyone know?
Thanks
 
The photos in the MDF mag I think are Colorado deer. He killed a monster typical last year and another huge buck this year. I was told the one from this year might book both ways. That's big!
That dude kills lots of big deer.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
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In my book, once a bridge builder, always a bridge builder....
 
I think if anyone spent time with him they would like him. I almost didn't ask the question because of all the bull ##### that goes with the mention of his name. He was young and dumb when he falsely stated he was a Wyoming resident. Lets leave it at that without dragging up the same BS that was on here 5 years ago.
 
I decided not to renew my muley crazy subscription because they decided to put him on the cover. Why couldn't they put someone else?

Putting him on the cover is just fueling his ego more. And that is what got him into trouble the first time....
 
Now that makes me laugh. Do you know how crazy that statement is? I'm sure others here would get the irony. LMAO! MC put him on the cover because 1, that is a SLAMMER buck, and 2, those are some amazing field photos. I for one like to see beautiful photos of monsters like that. And on top of that, they are High Country bucks, my favorite kind. Congrats to Mike on back to back bucks of a lifetime.
 
Respect for the deer! Have you seen those bucks?!?!?! 216 typical and 230 nontypical back to back from the same unit.

I'll pick up an extra Muley Crazy subscription to offset you're protest!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-09 AT 04:19PM (MST)[p]According to BCBOY its ok to put someone on the cover if they take "purty" pictures and its a STUD buck. It doesn't matter how that buck may have been harvested or who harvested it.

I'd rather see a picture that isn't as "purdy" of someone with their buck on the cover than a "purdy" picture with a CONVICTED poacher.

Thats ok if you want to defend someone that is a convicted poacher though. And someone that also uses an ultralight fixed aircraft to scout not only for bucks but also to look for sheds. If you want to defend someone that obviously has such questionable ethic than go ahead.

I agree those are great bucks, but its a shame they will not get the respect etc they deserve because of who was involved. They score 216 and 230 what? SCI? MBI (mike brownlee internationl)? They surely can't be BC because hes a convicted poacher and can't use their system.

Maybe Ryan let him be on the cover because he got a smokin' deal on an ultralight aircraft.

I agree with the above though, what great bucks. But they defiently deserved to be harvested by someone better than Mike Brownlee.
 
I guess Younghunter doesn't get the irony of his pulling his MC subscription because MB is on the cover eh? LMAO!!!!

I actually saw Mike's typical listed in a copy of B&C's Fair Chase Magazine. B&C accepted it. That's good enough for me.
 
BC,
There isn't any irony there. But its ok. A lot of ppl do not know what irony is, or when something is ironic. EH?

Thats a shame BC would accept a convicted poacher. Oh well. Life goes on.
 
Give him a break younghunt! People do stupid things sometimes, just like your parents. Does not mean everything they do is bad.


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I think the fact that he feels like he has to use an ultralight to scout, find sheds, is reason enough not to leave him alone. Obviously he feels he needs EVERY advantage, ethical or not, to hunt big bucks.

Sometimes all a guys got is his last name, and if that someone chooses do do something to disgrace it than they better be ready for the consequences. There isn't a statue of limitations on your last name. He's forever ruined his. It was his choice. And he didn't just make "one mistake". It was over a couple YEARS.

I also do not decide my opinion on matters from what I read in a magazine, or because I saw an organization accepted something.

I'm sure Mike is a nice guy, don't get me wrong. But that doesn't mean anything when he's robbed the public (hunters and non hunters) of their public resources.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-09 AT 06:39PM (MST)[p]"Give him a break younghunt! People do stupid things sometimes, just like your parents. Does not mean everything they do is bad."


Tell that to Kirt Darner....
 
I'm confused, I thought it was the other guys that used the shootplanes? Maybe I'm outta the loop. :) Seems like someone has been taking too much hearsay as the gospel truth. I once was accused of using a helicopter for finding sheds. LMAO!
 
BCboy,
I'm not sure if Ryan Hatch and the chute planes is true or not.

But Mike Brownlee using one is FACT. There is even a website that sells the things with the picture of Mike on it with it.
 
Here is a picture of a MM's.com member shed "hunting" a couple of years ago:

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What is funny is seeing the post afterwards claming how tired they were after their long hike.

Thank the good lord BC you live where you do. Your mule deer are possibly the farthest away from Utah as possible :D
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-09 AT 07:13PM (MST)[p] lookin at deer an sheds from the air does not make you a poacher.

However hiding behind your computer screen with a made up name makes you a dip chit.

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It doesn't isayNuNya. But killing two deer without a tag and 1 elk does. Wonder how many he got away with?

If he is willing to fly an aircraft out of GREED for a few sheds what is he willing to do for a big buck deer?

ANYTHING.
 
BTW I took that picture in my previous post. It was entertaining to listen to them on their radios trying to tell the guy on the ground where the sheds were.
 
YH is whats Ironic is you would subscibe to a magazine that a convicted poacher published, but then discontinue it when a convicted poacher is put on the cover.

I dont see anything wrong with looking for sheds from a plain as long as there not running the animals around to do it. I've never done it and probly wouldnt ever get the chance but it would piss me off if I was out and had someone flying over me doing it in one of my areas.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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When did Ryan Hatch get convicted of poaching?

I remember he was convicted of guiding on indian land.

Details Jake?

And you are being hypercritical. You say you don't see anything wrong with using a plane for sheds. But then you said it would make you mad. WTF?
 
So is it against the law to fly a plane around looking for sheds? how bout using it to look for game? Ive heard you can scout up until 2 days before the hunt. then you can not use a plane.

anyone know for sure on this subject? or are you just blowing smoke trying to find fault in everything that you cant do
 
This is out of hand. Whenever a story comes on here about a guy who poached somthing we hear "burn him at the stake" "throw the book at him" "he should never be allowed to hunt again" However when some elitist celebrity hunter who has been on some magazine covers and made some videos gets caught doing the same thing because he "got caught up in the moment" or "he was in his 20's at the time" does it we must immeadiately forgive him because of his status in the hunting world. It's total BS and is the very reason trophy hunting has become the ego driven product selling monster that it is today. These people should not be admired my anyone. There are people in this world with collections of bucks that would make anybody jealous, but you will never see thier faces on the cover of a magazine or see them endorseing some product because they are true trophy hunters who do it for the love of the game and nothing else. So for all you guys who want to hop on browlee's jock and stroke his ego, go right ahead but keep in mind that guy is no different for the people you condemn for poaching and should not be treated any differently.
 
I never said it wasnt, I did put the BUT in there, just saying that I would not call it unethical or ilegal, but if someone was doing it in the same area I was in (as happened to you) it would piss me off, It pisses me off to see someone elses footprints in the area I'm in.:)

I belive Ryan was caught poaching when he was a teen around Kanab, dont know much more than that, at least thats whats been said in the past.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-24-09 AT 09:37PM (MST)[p]Matt,
I believe Jeff got himself a 20 year ban IIRC in most Western States, so I would say most people would be choked if he made the cover, but hey, he can still legally book a hunt in Canada or Mexico. Maybe we will see him gracing the pages of MC again. LOL! :)

This younghunter must be young to have missed all the fights on here concerning MC and chuteplanes and such. Hell, I think it was the main topic of discussion on MM for at least 5 years. I don't know, but I believe a shootplane thread holds the record on MM for the most amount of posts. There may have been one or two Moosie threads that beat it. Of course some of those DK threads went on and on as well. I'm getting old and I lose track of such things now adays.

My view on issues such as this might not be the same as many others. I do find it in my heart to forgive and let things go. I realize that wildlife crimes are no different than many other crimes in society. If a guy gets a DUI and looses his licence because he had a couple beers too many, do I hold it against him and treat him as a worthless DRUNK for his entire life?
 
I have no respect for people who scout for live game or shed hunt from the sky.

-RPinenut
 
I guess you'll never hunt sheep in BC, Yukon or the NWT. Anyone that has the dream of the grandslam will have those dreams dashed. Most sheep are well known by the outfitters before the clients arrive. They are scouted from the air. Fact of life. Very very remote country. Only way in is by either by plane or by weeks on a packstring forging river after river. Choose your poison.
 
as long as it is legal and they dont abuse it Ill respect those that use a plane to look for sheds and animals. If i had a plane i would do it!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-09 AT 01:50AM (MST)[p]BCBOY,
I've been a part of this site longer than you have. In fact one of the only other members I can remember being here as long is JakeH.
And not all sheep hunts are scouted with planes. 90 percent are, but if you really want to find someone that doesn't you can. I agree though that most outfitters "know" which sheep you are going to take.

But this thread is about someone stroking his ego. We can all agree that those are huge bucks. If it was someone else we wouldn't have to question them. But because it is Mike Brownlee we forever shall. A guy that is a convicted poacher and currently owns a ultralight plane is someone that does not deserve the respect or kudos so many of you are giving.

God only knows what else he does to get those big bucks.

Matt,
It was funny when Deerking got caught poaching. Over 1/2 the site stuck up for him. But if average joe got caught poaching people would say such things like "hang him" or "he should have his hunting rights taken away for life". But the minute its someone they know (or think they know cuz they read his posts) they are like "well he made a mistake" "you don't know the whole story" BLAH BLAH BLAH.

I hear the same excuses from guys I catch riding their 4 wheelers off the road.

For some things in life there just isn't excuses.

Jake,
I'm not going to judge Ryan hatch over something that is hearsay. If someone posts some info that is true and accurate maybe I'll throw him to the wolves. But right now he doesn't sit high on my list of guys who deserve respect.

I too don't like seeing boot tracks where I'm walking. But at least they earned whatever they found there.

dry_boot,
This has NOTHING to do with what I have or don't have. This is about ethics. You said if you had a plane you would do it to. So if Mike has 10 bullets does that mean he can shoot 10 deer? Its the same theory you have. Its ok if you don't understand, just go back to sitting in the back of the bus.

Don't worry you'll catch up one of these days.

Thanks for the moderators for keeping this thread open. Usually if you mention anything bad about Mike its a nukefest!
 
This should help you out Younghunter. This is the FWOA press release. It should be noted that Hatch is now off his 5 year probation. Other interesting names on that list.

OPERATION NAVAJO BUCK

The U.S. Attorney's Office and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have announced the sentencing of 11 individuals for violating federal wildlife laws stemming from an investigation dubbed "Operation Navajo Buck." The 11 paid a total of $84,000 in fines, restitution and penalties, along with one aircraft forfeited to the court.

The investigation which began in 1998, focused on several big game guides based in Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico, who were suspected of unlawfully using aircraft prior to and during hunting seasons to locate deer and elk for hunting clients in northern Arizona. The investigation also focused on illegal guiding and hunting on the Navajo Indian Reservation.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service conducted the investigation with assistance from the Arizona Game and Fish Department and the Navajo Department of Wildlife. The prosecution was handled by Assistant Paul V. Rood and Camille Bibles of the U.S. Attorney's Office, District of Arizona, Phoenix.

The following individuals were convicted of federal criminal violations for unlawful hunting on the Navajo Indian Reservation and sentenced as follows:

Daniel Smith, Jr., San Jose, CA, was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine and $25,000 restitution to the Navajo Fish and Wildlife Department. In a related civil action, a 1998 Buckeye powered parachute valued at approximately $10,000 was forfeited to the government.

Steven Stayner, Mesa, AZ, was ordered to pay a $1,000 fine. A Federal civil action seeking the forfeiture of a powered parachute aircraft owned by Stayner is currently being litigated for alleged violations of the Airborne Hunting Act.

Kenneth Clint Heiber, Red Bluff, CA, was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine and $25,000 restitution to the Navajo Department of Wildlife. In addition Heiber was ordered to abandon a trophy mule deer killed on the Navajo Indian Reservation in December 1997, and subsequently seized by Agents of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in March of 2000.

Joseph Aggi, Red Bluff, CA, was ordered to pay a $2,000 fine and ordered not to hunt for a period of two years.

Samuel S. Jaksick, Jr., Reno, NV, was ordered to pay a $4,500 fine and $7,500 restitution to the Navajo Department of Wildlife.

Julius Fontuna, Phoenix, AZ, was ordered to pay a fine of $2,500.

A. Paul Stewart, Phoenix, AZ, was ordered to pay a fine of $2,500. A federal civil action seeking forfeiture of a powered parachute aircraft owned by Stewart for alleged violations of the Airborne Hunting Act, is currently being litigated.

Mule deer videographer Ryan S. Hatch, Kanab, UT, was convicted of a criminal violation of the Lacey Act related to the taking of a mule deer on the Navajo Indian Reservation in 1997. Hatch was sentenced to five years probation and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine. Hatch's conditions of probation require that he be in full compliance with state, federal, and tribal regulations when conducting hunting related activities including scouting for game or video taping.

The following individuals paid Federal Violation Notices for unlawful hunting on the Navajo Indian Reservation as follows:
Daniel Smith, III, San Jos?, CA - $5,000
Larry Nicolds, Garland, UT - $5,000
Mark LeFeyre, Tropic, UT

The investigation that led to the convictions was conducted by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS), Division of Law Enforcement, with SA Kevin Ellis as the case agent. He received assistance from the Arizona Game and Fish Department and the Navajo Department of Fish and Wildlife. Numerous agents from several regions and state officers helped with surveillance, undercover work, search warrant preparation and execution, interviews, trial preparation, and property inventories. SA Ellis was presented with a plaque for "Appreciation of his wildlife conservation efforts in Arizona" given to him from the FWS agents stationed in Arizona before his departure to Colorado.
 
Younghunter,

how bout you open your eyes and reread what i said!

I said if it was legal and they didnt abuse it i dont see a problem with it. those that are abusing it got in trouble like hatch and the other guys. Now if its illegal then i do have a prblem with it! savvy???


And your 10 bullets to shoot 10 deer is about as dumb a thing i have ever heard a person say! it is not even close to the same theory!

Dont get me wrong young hunter, im not sticking up for the guy your talking about. if they are a convicted poacher i think they have no business with wildlife. all im saying is just because someone uses a plane does not make him a poacher- bad guy.
 
YH, i remember being on this site when it was just you, chester and a few other guys...Pdub, canyonwell, Buranut etc...That was a long time ago! 1999 maybe?

You still up for trying a Yukon shed hunt this spring?
 
I think both sides of this disagreement have been well voiced, so I'm locking the thread. Some choose to forgive and some choose not to. To each their own.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Here's one for ya. I have flown a lot over the years in my profession. Back in the hayday of forestry in this province, and the clients had money to burn, we flew everyday. If I'm flying over a nice piece of alpine should I keep my eyes closed???? Is it unethical of me if we hit a fog belt and have to fly low down along a river and I happen to see a moose shed on a gravel bar? Should I leave that shed to rot or should I note where it is so I can get it at a later time??? With the amount of flying I have done, most have be short quick flights bumping us up to the alpine or the backend of a drainage and we walk out. I don't recall seeing much for game other than bears, moose and goats. Doesn't mean I don't look though. ;)

The funny thing in this discussion is the idea of ethics when it comes to flying and finding sheds. Sheds are just a chunk of bone. They don't run, they don't hide. They can't be pushed till their lungs burst. They are not alive. How does it hurt anything if someone flys to find them. One the other side of the coin, ATV's really do hurt the landscape now don't they??? What people need to get into their heads is sheds are nothing more than bone. Who cares if someone else beats ya to them. Big flippin deal. I shed hunt because I love being out there, exploring the country and getting to know it intimately. If I find tine, great! If I don't, great! It is a hobby that is a win/win regardless. It is cheap when compared to other hobbies. It gets ya out in the fresh air and it gives ya some exercise. For me, I use it as a scouting tool. I learn where bucks are hanging out and the quality of the the bucks in the area. If I don't find sheds has the day been a write-off? Hell No! I pay attention to everything I see. Be it beds, scat, rubs, trails, saddles, escape routes, rolls and bends, creeks, swamps, you name it. It gives me intimate knowledge that I can use later in year when I am hunting the area. On top of that, it is a great way to get the family in the great outdoors seeing sights that most never get to see. But for god's sake, a bone is a bone is a bone. ;)
 

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