Settle This Argument!!!

[backinthegame]

So a friend and I are in disagreement here...

...he claims that the equivalent of a 200-inch Mule Deer in the elk world would be a 350 bull.

...I'd say the equivalent of a 200-inch buck would be more like a 400-inch bull.

Help us settle this...once and for all!!!

 

[camonick]

tough to say . I think a 200 inch buck is like a 350 bull, but nether is as common as some people think. Ive been looking behind a lot of trees and havent found either.

 

[orion23]

Tough one in my opinion. Depends on where your comparing, but generally all over the west id say more around 370 inch mark.

Im curious to see what others think.

Travis
www.RidgelineOutdoors.com

 

[thebuckstopshere]

Split the difference and add 5. A 200 inch buck is like a 380 bull.

 

[nmwapiti]

I would have to agree with your friend. Many 200" inch deer are taken every year in various states just like many 350 inch bulls are taken. 400" bulls are few and far between. Probably more like a 400" bull to a 220" mulie.

 

[backinthegame]

Here's a little basis for my argument:

200" Typical Mule Deer - 10" ABOVE B&C minimum requirement.

350" Typical Elk - 25" BELOW B&C minimum requirement.

Yeah, I know the numbers are skewed because the total inches is greater when talking about elk...

So a 200" buck is about 5% above minimum...a 350" bull is about 8% below minimum.

 

[ICMDEER]

Exactly what I was going to do - compare the B&C standards. A 200 inch deer is more like a 400 inch bull. I have the antlers off a 380 bull laying in the corner of my great room, won't even mount them. But if I had a 200 inch muley, he'd definitely go on the wall. But I'm a mule deer person, so don't use me as a comparitor.

 

[WesternSky]

If your talking 200" mainframe then I would agree with you that it is the same as a 400" bull. Deer in that class are much more likely to have an extra that puts their numbers over 200 but they are not as impressive as a 200" typ or 400" bull.

 

[sremim]

I've always thought the same way, a 200" muley is like a 400" bull.

































"I'll keep my guns, freedom, and money.
You can keep the "change"!"

 

[sageadvice]

i agree with WesternSky, a 200" mainframe muley = 400" bull. Some, but not many of each are killed every year. I'll take the muley!

To take it one step further, i put a 150+" Blacktail in the same league.

Joey

 

[utahheadgear]

A 350" Bull won't even make Boone and Crockett, a 200" deer is well into the B&C book.

I'd say 200" muley equals about a 400" bull.

 

[never_catch]

backinthegame,

220+" Deer = 400+" Bull...IMO

To me a flat 200" muley compares more closely to 380" bull. But yes that size on a muley is well over a 350" bull every day of the week!!

~Z~

 

[sworhntr]

I would have to say 200= 400 class bull. Me personally would take the 200 class buck.

 

[Avsman]

since this will never happen bear with me,

Your hunting opening day, out in the open steps a 400" bull and a 200" buck from each side of the opening, you only have one shot which one do you shoot.

Windage and elevation pilgrim windage and elevation

 

[zboys]

How many 200"+ mule deer are in the record book

How many 400"+ elk are in the record book

They didnt start killing 400"+ bulls until the late 80s early 90s. You can get lucky and find a 200"+ mule deer in any western state but you can not say that about a 400"+ bull elk.

200" gross deer is equal to a 375" bull elk.

 

[Avsman]

I would have to say that it depends on the area, around here we have some big bucks and not so many big bulls, so it depends on where your at.

Here a 200" buck is equal to a 350" bull, there might be a few around but you only see them once in a while and very seldom have a tag when you do. thats my .02$

Windage and elevation pilgrim windage and elevation

 

[Avsman]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-09 AT 05:46PM (MST)[p]The worlds record typical american elk was killed in 1968 and its 442 5/8ths, 2nd was killed in 1899 at 442 3/8ths so theres been 400" bulls roaming the hills for a long time.

Windage and elevation pilgrim windage and elevation

 

[lip_curl]

a clean 200inch typical would put you at ~300th place in B&C.
300th place in the typical elk category is 383.

 

[Roy]

My first feeling was to split the difference - like 200" buck = 380" Bull - but the B&C standard argument makes sense! However there is a larger mule deer population that there is elk population and only considering the raw numbers, one might conclude that 200" bucks are as common as 350" bulls. You need to look at the ratios though. If you do I am certain you will find that 200" is probably closer to 400".


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

 

[bigandtasty]

 

[bosoxfan]

>since this will never happen bear
>with me,
>
>Your hunting opening day, out in
>the open steps a 400"
>bull and a 200" buck
>from each side of the
>opening, you only have one
>shot which one do you
>shoot.
>
>Windage and elevation pilgrim windage and
>elevation

I would shoot myself so I wouldn't have explain the stain in my shorts to my wife.


"If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did He make them out of meat?"
~Ted Nugent

 

[slamdunk]

I wouldn't dare put a comparison against the two, but there's a hell of a lot more 200+" bucks killed every year than there are 400+" bulls.

 

[Roy]

Yes - but what are the ratios? Makes you wonder.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

 

[nvguy2]

Tough question. A few have responded to the fact that there have been more 200" deer taken than 400" bulls, but the thing you have to realize is how many people hunt those elk herds compared to how many hunt those deer herds. There is alot more deer and deer hunters out there than there are elk and elk hunters. I am not disagreeing with anybody, but I would have to say that a 200" buck is very comparable to a 400" bull. I think to really answer this you would have to know the ratios to how many animals of that species there is,how many of those animals were taken,how many people were hunting them. I think I would rather have a 400" bull than a 200" buck, but both sound really,really,really,really, good. It just depends on how you look at it.

 

[piper]

I would say in the 60s a 200 buck was like 340 bull in the 80s like a 365 bull and now days a 200 pointer would be about as common as a 390 bull

 

[isayNUNYA]

I would say Most the people arguing about this have never seen a 200 inch deer or a 400 inch bull.


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[BomberBlackies]

Joey, 150 gross blacktail is way less common than a 200 inch gross mule deer. As far as the mule deer vs elk.....200 inch net is equivalent to a 390 net elk. Hmmmm
Roy, just curious, population wise, how many elk and how many mule deer are there in the 11 western state? Thanks

 

[JFWRC]

I vote 200=400. Jim

 

[4000fps]

I have only seen a handful of bucks, in my whole life, that I thought would break 200 typical.

Never seen a 350 bull, but I also don't live in good elk country. Although, half the locals claim to see 350 bulls, every year, LOL.

 

[antlerrick]

+1 Nunya....exactly

 

[slamdunk]

+2 NUNYA!

 

[cabinfever]

I know I'd rather have a 200 inch muley over a 400 inch bull any day of the week.I've seen plenty of bulls in the 350-380 range in my lifetime but I've seen dang few 200 inch bucks.

Mike

 

[sageadvice]

Bomberblackies said;

"Joey, 150 gross blacktail is way less common than a 200 inch gross mule deer."


i said or meant to say that i put the 150" Blacktail and a 200" "mainframe" Mule deer, not counting cheaters, drops, or any extra points, both in the same league. Along with a 400" bull, only a few get killed each year.

200" Mainframe Muley, now that's a tough muley to get indeed!

Joey

 

[west]

I think a 200in Net typical muledeer is just as hard to get as a 400in bull. a lot of the muledeer that go over 200in will have 3-4, 2-4in kickers. When people tell you the size of the deer they often don't tell you its a net 190 or 188. They say its 203. Go look at any big buck contest. You will be lucky to see a deer that actually nets over 200 typical. Look at the guy earlier that commented that 200" puts you around 300th in the Rec Books. I hear of half that many 200" deer being shot every year, but i don't see the record books shift 150 places each year. I'm not trying to take away from those deer, i really don't agree with B&C regs anyway. If it grew it it counts. B&C does give us a standard for comparison however.
IMO
180 offic net deer = 350 offic net bull
190 offic net deer = 380 offic net bull
200 offic net deer = 400 offic net bull

on another note, what does a 240 nontypical muledeer compare to... There are alot more nontypical deer killed then non typical elk.

 

[backpacker]

IMO, I like to think how many inches over or under the entry score it is- i.e.= 200" is 10 over the minimum so a 380 bull would be 10 over as well. And I'd be shooting the 400" bull as well!

 

[piper]

In the winter edition of fair chase here are the recently accepted trophies - 1 elk that grosses and nets over 400 typical,, and 3 bucks that net over 200 typical and 12 that gross over 200 typical, don't kid yourself a 400 point bull is a rarer animal than a 200 point buck

 

[BUCKSPY]

Hey 4000fps-You live in great elk country, problem is the elk just don't live long enough to get that big. You never know though. You saw what I pulled out of my azz in this land of raghorns. Its funny. I haven't even seen a bull that would gross over 280 this winter in the same area.

If'n Utah didn't manage their elk so only a handful of people could hunt bulls, 400 bulls would be extremely rare. People easily forget. 7-8 years ago a 350 bull used to raise eyebrows because its a damn big animal and top end for most of the West. This freakshow with the elk management in Utah has skewed perspective for people.

A 200 inch net typical framed buck is pretty rare as is a 400 inch net typical bull. This wouldn't even be a topic for comparison without Utahs current elk management. From what I understand, there were more 400 plus bulls killed in Utah in 2007 than in the entire history of the state of Idaho. Thats perspective.

 

[4000fps]

You make a valid point. I always thought if they limited the tags here, we have the habitat to grow some smokers. I just don't know what our genepool is capable of producing, because they don't live long enough.

Funny, they limit the elk tags in Moffat county, and that is actually crappy habitat. Look at the bulls coming out of there. That being said, I remember reading the books a few years ago, and there was only one booker bull entered from Moffat, and it went 376. I always thought the only reason there were good bulls there, is because the tags are so limited, and there is a lot of private.

 

[Longun]

Hey Nunya------I am with you!!

Hey BigandTasty-----YOU WONG!!! 30 DIFFER PEOPLE CARE!!

HEHEHHE

 

[Hunt_Rez]

Im with BigandTasty...who gives a chit.

Width isnt everything, its the ONLY thing.

 

[rutnelk]

200 inch muley = 390 elk. That's my vote and I'm stickin to it.

 

[HornyMan]

So which would you prefer hanging in your trophy room?