WTF DWR!!!!!!!!

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huntinfanatic

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Does anyone know why on earth the dwr is proposing 1,275 doe tags for the southern region this fall? i also cant believe they didnt learn their lesson on the fish lake unit their gonna give out 1600 cow tags this year!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-17-09 AT 07:48PM (MST)[p]Because the 5 day hunt didn't help? Or did it. It's all too complicated.
 
Don't no a darn thing about the area but I would bet they are doing it to raise the buck to doe ratio. That way they can say that the ratios are in line. It is the new management way shoot the does to raise your buck to doe ratios and then say your having sucess. Doe hunts in most of the west right now are a joke.
 
>Don't no a darn thing about
>the area but I would
>bet they are doing it
>to raise the buck to
>doe ratio. That way
>they can say that the
>ratios are in line.
>It is the new management
>way shoot the does to
>raise your buck to doe
>ratios and then say your
>having sucess. Doe hunts
>in most of the west
>right now are a joke.
>
BINGO!!!!!

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Yeah, I dont know what is going on. It is one of those things as you are reading it you think...I must be hunting/scouting in the wrong areas if we NEED to get rid of that may deer in one year. I think the Fish Lake cow hunt was a great example to learn from.
 
No dog in this hunt but i do feel bad for those that usually like to hunt this area. That many doe tags along with the regular buck hunting would amount to devastating a whole area similar to a war zone. For anyone planning a trip there to hunt, here's a tip. Don't plan on being there for opening weekend! It will scare you or at least it would me!

Joey
 
Heres the math you kill one doe youve killed ten deer. You want to kill 1275 doe's youve got 12,750 dead deer if you project does having dual fawns for five years. This is insane! Thankyou Utah DWR for screwing the southern region and for what? #'s? $?There isnt enough deer as it is.
 
low,

that is some intersting math there. if there are 200,000 does in the state when does it turn into 2,000,000? i'm ready for that day.

sb
 
Good luck! You'll never see it. Theres a million other variables as well. My point was simple you kill doe's you kill more than just one. Im trying to figure out how that is going to improve deer quality/hunting in southern Utah. Theres enough things that kill doe's cars, coyotes,lions etc. just to name a few and 200,000 doe's in this state well my numbers are not hard and I dont think that one is as well. Believe whatever you want.
 
I don't live in Utah so I don't want to push my opinion on your state, but it sounds like there's getting to be more and more sentiment against the Utah deer hunt being a sea of orange, and killing all of the bucks before they reach 3 years old.

These roundabout ways of "increasing" the buck ratio like doe hunts and 5 day seasons only make for more of a zoo of hunters.

I assume those of you (us) that would like to see a much more conservative harvest must be out-voiced by thousands of people who want to continue hunting every year for a chance at a forked horn? Are there board meetings where you can express your opinions, do you guys attend them, and does the DWR respond?

As I said, I don't live there, but from what I've seen, the UT general hunts are downright scary. Utah could grow the biggest bucks anywhere if they would just cut back on the annual bloodbath. Henries are the perfect example. If some of the orange vested forked horn crowd ever hunted a good area in another state, I think they would realize what a pleasant experience it can be, and they might be willing to sacrifice their annual general tag in favor of a limited draw.

Just my $.02 from an outsider looking in.
 
If they are going to allow doe hunts on there we as hunters need to boycott the doe tags dont give them the money let see how many out of state doe tags they sell and thats just what they will do is to sell them to the out of state people imo
 
hmmm this is a tough one . My opinion is that doe's eat better than bucks so why not shoot a few for the table. secondly last I heard it takes a buck to have a fawn, two to tango so to speek . I think i would rather see them on the table than in a predators mouth or road kill. DWR is not perfect but i believe do there best .I find it funny there are so many exsperts out there making statements without hard fact or numbers. I would like to see a youth and lady doe hunt why not let the kids get there first kill on something simple as well be able to introduce the girls to hunting without waiting to draw tags or have to walk and hunt for miles also hadicapped wounded wariors . there are some fun ways to go, to accomplish the buck doe ratio wich can benifit all
 
+1 browningrage. I think the best management plan they could put into affect is to pull there heads out of their sphincters.
 
I told you guys the DWR would give more antlerless tags this year, they are bound and determined to get the deer on the endangered species list. The elk are on there way soon enough to follow. I stated that even though the division created spike hunts state wide that they would still give more cow tags, and they did..what a joke.

lets all just end the mysery and everyone fill there tags this year, kill a doe, and a cow, and buck or bull and lets get rid of the dang things...I think this year I will shoot my deer, my wife will get her deer, we both will get cow tags and fill those, and I will get a archery spike tag and kill either sex. Lets kill them all is my vote, lets end our mysery..
 
Thats what the want you to do they got ya ... i would come up with a new plan if i were trying to send dwr a message
 
What we ALL need to do is put in for a doe tag and then when you get it in the mail just shred it or throw it away even if 100 of us do that it will save some deer.
 
at the end of the day DWR will have the last laugh on that proposal 1st they will collect all the revenue from the tags .wich its really all about anyway when it comes to antlerless hunting why do you think there giving more and more permits .economy is hitting dwr as well , animals are just a panzi scheem to them... so they get the revinue and then big heards back better buck to doe ratios and are the big hero's
I still say let the kids take a few on the last day
 
You need your head checked broker. You kill them doe's and in a couple more years you won't even need to worry if the kids want to hunt or not....there won't be anything to kill....think about it.....BS
 
+ 10 MEEW! Wake up broker we are not talking about whitetails on a ranch somewhere!Go back east or down to Texas if you want to go wack doe deer. The Mule Deer population in So. Utah has taken a dive down and shootin more doe's wont bring it back. Like MEEW said you keep on killin doe's you'll have pretty much what the deer hunt is now. A family camping trip! If 50 bucks saves a doe on my behalf the DWR can laugh all they want.
 
The sky is falling!!! The SKY IS FALLING!!!!

Same discussion, different year.

The same old tricks will be played.

If hunters don't take deer, the DWR will start shooting them as they please. Of course they will try to distribute the meat, but we never really hear how that goes. I'm not saying they are right, but if they want the deer dead, they will get killed.

I personally have 3 Points for antlerless deer in Utah. This is probably a good year to get a freezer full of doe. I will have fun hunting them, and I will do it with my head held hi.

Welcom to Colorado's area 11! And sorry you have to experience it.

Todd
 
Both of you wake up and pull your head out your a holes .If DWR wants them does killed and dead then its gonna happen . if not by sportsman then by dwr themselfs they wil send out a squad of officers kill them dangerouse does and distribute the meat. so its inevitable so why not look for a sollution to stop the doe slaughters and let the kids have some fun and success let the hadicaped seniors gals have some fun and success and be proud of putting some meat on the table for the family .... Its gonna happen always has.. does are gonna get shot so why not as sportsman find away that accomplishes many things Instead of just bitching and complaining about the enevitable
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-09 AT 10:23PM (MST)[p]Has anyone looked at the condition of the winter range on the areas they are proposing these hunts? I can't speak to all of them and won't even claim they have their numbers right, but I have spent a considerable amount of time on the west side of the Panguitch Unit and have seen that it is getting hammered. There are areas that the sagebrush is hedged really bad and if the utilization is not reduced somehow the brush will die off completely in the next few years. When the sagebrush dies that reduces the amount of winter range available, and thereby the carrying capacity of the unit. If killing a couple hundred does allows that habitat to survive that carrying capacity is not lost. I would hate to see the day where the Panguitch Lake Unit only has enough winter habitat to support a herd objective of 8500 deer instead of the current 10,000. If we can't protect the existing sagebrush or create more that is the direction that unit is heading. Now if we could train more of that herd to winter on the east side that would be different as that habitat is in much better condition, unfortunately these deer are creatures of habit and will go where they want to to regardless of habitat conditions. Just look at the mouth of cottonwwod canyon and the cove just to the north of it. That sagebrush is beat to death and dying and can't maintain enough health to even set seed to replace itself. Travel a little further north and it is in better condition but you can't get the deer to go there???

Long response - but other than the usual run to say money is the driving factor I wanted to suggest that just maybe some science (good or not) was the driving force in setting these numbers.
 
+1 soutdeer... everyone is jumping on the $$$ issue, but it is good to see an informed post as to why they are harvesting the does. There are many different issues that go into making these decisions and I just can't believe they are doing this for money or to raise the ratio. If the sagebrush is the issue, then they had better get it taken care of now, or we will have a lot less deer years down the road. If we have to loose a few deer, to be able to keep more later, then it is something that needs to be done..
Rick
 
just,

good point about the meat distribution. there was a church welfare orchard in s utah that had a deer problem some time ago. the local game warden went in one night and took care of it. about 20 dead deer were found in another canyon not too long thereafter. certainly makes one question how the meat was distributed in that deal.
 
I do think they try to distribute it, but we never hear about it or who gets it.

I know I have seen a confiscated elk in the back of a Utah Game warden's pickup for two days in 80 degree weather with the hide still on it. Another member on this site was there with me to whitness it. In defence of the GW, he was bucked up busy. I'm sure it wasn't his intention to let it rot back there. And, for all I know, it could have already been rotten when he picked it up......I hope....

It's funny how these threads seem to die when people start talking some sence...

Good luck to all this next season.

Todd
 
Well the RAC meetings were Tues. night I was just wondering how many of those complaining actually attended and voiced their opposition?
 

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