AZ Buck head shot

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"Now we come to the most important pre-season question. Do you just want to go elk hunting, or do you want to bring one back? If you desire the latter, there is no substitute for hard work. The bigger your goal, the harder the work required to get there. Good luck!" - Cameron R. Hanes
 
Could we get a moderator to remove this. I understand shots like this happen or in some cases are even planned, but there is no reason to let the Antis have these type of pictures...

Congrats on a good lucking buck, hope I didn't rain on your parade...I understand that these type of shots happen.

Thanks,

Nino
 
Nice Deer!! I think you need to re-sight in your bow as you are shooting 2 feet high and 2 feet to the right :) :)
 
>I removed the pics. I did
>not want it to get
>ugly in here.


Definatley a nice buck and one to be proud of.

But why the head-shot? It might work for rifle hunters, but not bow.

BTW - Clean up the pic and re-post just the buck. No reason to show the deer with an arrow sticking in its eye.
 
I didn't see the pic as it has been removed, but how in the hell do you hit one in the head with a bow? If it's that difficult of a shot, or that bad of an angle, why shoot? I bow hunt too, but Jesus - let's have some decency.
 
Actually, given the numbers of wounded animals you archery guys leave in the field to die, I thought it was a good shot.

If you miss the eye, you rattle an antler and the deer runs off.

Bottom line is, he killed and recovered it.

I know of at least 3 elk and 4 deer, in a 10 mile circle, that are coyote food and the seasons are just getting started.
 
"Jesus - let's have some decency."

:) Wow, taking our Lord and Savior's name in vain while chastising another for being indecent... Really? This definitely says a lot about a person my sporting friend...
 
Nickman, take a walk through the hills after the general season deer and elk hunt. You want to see carnage?? It is not just Bowhunters who wound and lose game.
 
Yeah right, there Stickman.......not even close.

But you go right ahead and hang with that denial.

You might always get it done right, but a lot of your friends are using WAY more arrows than rifle hunters are using bullets.
 
Dude,
Gun hunters are just as capable of wounding an animal as bow hunters, and there are WAY more of them, you go ahead and hang w/ your denial.

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"Now we come to the most important pre-season question. Do you just want to go elk hunting, or do you want to bring one back? If you desire the latter, there is no substitute for hard work. The bigger your goal, the harder the work required to get there. Good luck!" - Cameron R. Hanes
 
>Yeah right, there Stickman.......not even close.
>
>
> But you go right ahead
>and hang with that denial.
>
>
>You might always get it done
>right, but a lot of
>your friends are using WAY
>more arrows than rifle hunters
>are using bullets.


You're kidding right? Just pull out one of the latest hunting video's, rifle and bow. I guarantee you that just in that small sampling a rifle hunter will fire their rifle 3 times more than a bowhunter will fire his.

Either way there's no guarantee, regardless of your weapon, unless you are with 100% certainty making a clean, ethical shot with a weapon that you've been practicing with for the past 6 months.

For the recent rifle to bow converts, take note, you can't go to Cabelas a day or even a week before the opener, drop some cash on a new bow and expect to make a clean and ethical shot on an animal. Just not going to happen.
 
I dare say that most guys on this site are just as ethical at 350 yards with their rifles as they are at 45 yards with their bows. We all miss, hit a branch, mis-judge the wind, rangefinder pics up a rock that's 15 yards too close...whatever. Point is it's a blood sport and there are no certainties.

I did, however, see the deer with the arrow in his eyeball and thought it was a cool picture. Anybody seen the show Relentless Pursuits? That guy walks right up to a big ol Grizz Bear with his bow and puts one right between the eyes....drops like a ton of bricks.

I talked to a game warden and he thinks it's about the same as far as animals not being recovered for whatever reason durring all the hunts. Can't we all just get along :)
 
I removed the pics myself because it was going to get ugly in here. It was a shot i choose to take. It was planned and i made the shot. Many of you in here would not take that shot that is your choice. We still live in America where we have freedom to choose.

As to those who think a head shot is unethical i ask you this. Is a head shot not a clean and the fastest way to harvest an animal? Is a lung shot the only ethical placement for archery hunters? Who has aim for the lungs and hit only one, or hit the guts, or liver. They live for hours and days. I dont mind peoples opinion but when you call me an unethical hunter and you dont even know me that is going to far. Here is the pic for those hunters who see it as a nice buck and are happy for me.
4a95545b4b38bee4.jpg
 
C'mon man, post those pics back up for the rest of us to see.
The fact is, you killed the deer! The percentage of people that make a perfect shot with anything everytime they pull the trigger or release an arrow is pretty low. We do the best we can and hope for a good clean shot, but it doesn't always work that way. So what? What if you take a shot at a deer and bolts before the arrow hits him and places the arrow somewheres else? Who can determine if a deer is going to move right before an arrow hits him???
All you ethics guys piss me off. Get a life!
 
Nice buck and great shot! If you cant handle a little blood maybe hunting is not the sport for you. were killing animals for pete sake. Its going to get dirty.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-26-09 AT 10:11AM (MST)[p]Nothing wrong with a Texas heart shot, death is death.

I don't take them because I am not that good of a shot.

BTW, Nice buck!
 
i dont see the diffrence if the photo showes an arrow in its head or a hole in its body theres blood any way however you look at it peta can go f@ck off
 
Nice buck! Nasty pic though I almost lost my breakfast. How about a story to go along with the picture. Did you mean to hit it in the head? This might be a dumb question but did it drop like a ton of bricks?
 
why are you guys giving him so much ##### look at goats deer pics 6x6 it shows in all the photos a bloody mouth and a very detailed pic of the wound that killed him and nobody has said any thing this is far from the first time people have posted pics like this no harm intented to goat just trying to make a piont great buck man the pics dont bother me


ya no grammer call my teacher
 
Nice deer. Congrats!

Remeber all these guys have an opinion. Some we may like and some we may not. Also remember it's the internet and some people grow ten feet tall and think there superman when there pounding on that key board......
 
Sweet deer man! Looks like where we've been hunting:)

Listen, the bottom line is that we KILL animals. We are all passionate about hunting and have more respect, reverence and value for wildlife than any liberal whacko who thinks hunting in general is innapropriate.

I see no disrespect or degradation of an animal by posting a picture like this. It is the reality of hunting. Harvesting any animal involves blood loss.

The last thing I hope hunters do is cave-in to fears of offending those who will ALWAYS be offended by something. Keep this site real for hunters who live for this type of experience.

Congrats again on making an ethical and FAST kill. You did that buck a service(good luck patching that cape on your mount :))!!!!
 
+1 on what Addict said.

As long as it a quick kill.

Would like to hear the story.

One question, did you use a cross bow ?
 
Awesome...maybe next time you could hit him in the sinuses, or break his jaw instead. Both would cause him to suffer...
 
Nice buck and nice shot! Practice makes perfect! I have been shooting a bow since I was 6 years old (33 years) and my father had us practicing at dimes , nickels, and quarters at twenty yards since we had our first compounds (12 years old). He also had us shoot from 20 to 100 yards and keep our arrows in a paper plate at 100 yards. It can be done! Practice, practice, practice!!!!!!!
 
I am sitting here wondering why anybody would ever shoot a deer in the head with a bow. Thanks in advance to all of the geniuses that will point out that piercing the brain results in death. The problem is that the brain is small and well protected by the skull, facial bones and antlers. To drive an arrow, under field conditions, through the skull requires the head to be positioned perfectly and the deer to remain perfectly still during the shot. The head shot is low percentage with a bow due to the many variables. A botched shot is likely to result in a gravely injured deer that will not be recovered.

So, if you are within bow range, why would you take the head shot over a high percentage body shot?
 
Thanks to all of those hunters who support a clean harvest how ever it happens. Yes it was with a bow and not a crossbow. The shot was down hill and all i could see is the head. A down hill shot on the head is better then a level shot. I have had arrows skip of pigs when shooting at them on level ground. On down hill shots it is a different story and it puts them down. I take the shot and it hit is mark end of story. Every time you let an arrow fly something could happen. Even on so called ethical placement.

fldrw. Maybe i like the meat. Less damage in the head shot. As far and my shooting skills, lets put an apple on the top of your head and see if i can knock it off. oops looks like i hit you in the eye. Hey, i still knock the apple off your head.
 
Cool Shot! Maybe you could pickup some blunts and start shooting off antlers Jan-Mar alot cleaner. Kidding around!
Nice buck!
 
who cares what anyone else says? you got a deer and they didnt. congrats. it is too bad we have a bunch of obama-like control freaks on here.



Happy Hunting
 
>
>who cares what anyone else says?
>you got a deer and
>they didnt. congrats. it is
>too bad we have a
>bunch of obama-like control freaks
>on here.
>
>
>
>Happy Hunting


Obama-like control freaks? It's called ETHICS. If more hunters had them, we'd have less ammo for the anti's. This pic and post just adds another arrow in their quiver.
 
Dead is dead and that is what the final results are if you hunt and kill a buck. YOUR way might not be my way and MY way might not be your way, But it don't make any of them right or wrong.

By the Way nice buck and good shot.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
azdn great shot on a great buck! i did it by accident years ago, dropped in his tracks! now 4000 & flwr22 lets talk ethics here, I guide hunters archery, muzzy, and rifle. now I have seen first hand rifle hunters take a shot at an animal and say "i missed" then its a fight to get these guys to go across a canyon or field to even check for blood! I just want to slap the crap out guys like that. never have problems with my archery hunters, its because they know if they've made the shot or not! a deer don't just fall over when you shoot them! rifle hunters wound and fail to retrieve more game by far!
 
I as a hunter don't find this offending and want to congratulate you on a nice buck, but I do see this ending up on an anti-hunting video somewhere where some 60 year old lady in Des Moines or some 19 year old will see it and form their own opinion about hunters.


This is how the antis use it:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/demand-youtube-to-stop-the-snuff-and-hunting-videos




"Bowhunting head shot


**

There are so many videos with really horrific description and it upsets me that I have to see it under "deer" or "fawn" where many of my deer family videos are uploaded and I am sure others feel the same

Please sign the petition and the more people we get the better "




I personally also prefer the chest shot rather then the head due to the odds. There is just too much chance of this occurring and making the news, which then makes all hunters look bed.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18370509/detail.html
"Deer With Arrow In Nose Euthanized"




I think you got lucky this time, but I think your confidence in archery headshots is overrated. There is a reason that in any hunters safety course around the country, that they mention, never take head shots (among others) with bows.
 
SLOWYOTA--

I assure you and everyone else on this site that I am not attacking you personally for your comment about giving antis another arrow for their quiver.

We all claim to value our freedoms. Freedoms to essentially "pursue happiness" as long as we don't infringe on the rights of others. When you make decisions of what you say or view based on others' opinions or perceptions, you're essentially giving up your freedom.

I love pics and stories like this. I am as passionate about hunting as ANYTHING in my life and enjoying the stories, views, mishaps, knowledge etc. of other "addicts" makes me happy. Anyone who doesn't agree with me or finds my pursuits offensive is certainly free to do so, but I will NEVER inhibit or "tip-toe" around in my personal life or on a site of MY PEERS like this to avoid the perils of their lobbying. It wouldn't be the same. No offense at all man--I honestly do not care if anyone is turned off--maybe they should turn off their computer?
 
Not a shot I would take but congrats. The real problem is how anyone would think that bowhunters wound more game than rifle hunters. WOW! Sorry Nickman.


Not sure how other states figure it but in Montana:

There are 10 times more rifle hunters than bowhunters

Broadheads cut cleanly for a better chance of healing on non-lethal shots

You can herd shoot with rifles

You can herd shoot many many times with rifles

You can herd shoot many many times at long range with rifles

I could go on but it seems like simple math. There will be casualties with both but rifles take the cake hands down. I've seen it in person so don't waste your breath trying to change my mind.
 
It's hard to tell for sure, but it appears from the angle of the arrow, that it probably didn't even hit the brain. I am trying to picture the brain cavity, and it usually is right above where the arrow is. I'm sure it hit all kinds of arteries and possibly grazed the spinal cord, but an inch or two more forward, and that deer is gone.


Congrats on the nice "lucky" shot.
 
I cant believe what i am reading. I am far from the ethics police but i cant understand who would take this shot. And its a shame that people condone this moron for shooting deer in the face. Some peoples kids.
 
brokenwind your right their going to take our photos and our stories and say what they want to say about them. I say **** them tree hugging hippies! they've been doing this for decades! its not going to stop anytime soon. if we start keeping all our pics and stories to ourselves, well my life would definitly start to suck! I love reading magazines and stories on multiple websites. keep them coming and lets hear the full story on this great buck!
 
As far as not wanting to waste meat, no meat is wasted with a broadside shot behind the shoulder. So dont try that excuse like you dont want to waste meat so you shoot them in the face. The more you talk the dumber you make yourself look. imo
 
>I removed the pics myself because
>it was going to get
>ugly in here. It was
>a shot i choose to
>take. It was planned and
>i made the shot. Many
>of you in here would
>not take that shot that
>is your choice. We still
>live in America where we
>have freedom to choose.
>
>As to those who think a
>head shot is unethical i
>ask you this. Is a
>head shot not a clean
>and the fastest way to
>harvest an animal? Is a
>lung shot the only ethical
>placement for archery hunters? Who
>has aim for the lungs
>and hit only one, or
>hit the guts, or liver.
>They live for hours and
>days. I dont mind peoples
>opinion but when you call
>me an unethical hunter and
>you dont even know me
>that is going to far.
>Here is the pic for
>those hunters who see it
>as a nice buck and
>are happy for me.
4a95545b4b38bee4.jpg


Discussing ethics,

I guess you have to ask yourself the question: If your aim had been slightly off, or the deer had flinched slightly, and your arrow hits 2" further forward, and the deer runs off only to die a week later due to infection or starvation, would it still be an ethical shot?

You can miss a point of aim on the chest by 2" and still be fine. You could even miss by more then double that and most likely still make a quick clean kill.
 
>brokenwind your right their going to
>take our photos and our
>stories and say what they
>want to say about them.
>I say **** them tree
>hugging hippies! they've been doing
>this for decades! its not
>going to stop anytime soon.
>if we start keeping all
>our pics and stories to
>ourselves, well my life would
>definitly start to suck! I
>love reading magazines and stories
>on multiple websites. keep them
>coming and lets hear the
>full story on this great
>buck!


I say **** them also, It is not them I care about. It is the propaganda machine they use them in to influence the 50% or more of the population that is somewhat neutral to hunting. If they can paste hunters as "barbarians" only out for gore, by using our own pictures against us, then when votes come up in states to ban certain hunts, those that may have voted to allow it before, may end up changing their mind.

I can guarantee trophy hunter magazine would not print a picture like this in their magazine.

As I said, I myself am not offended by it, but the masses that may someday decide huntings' fate probably would be.
 
look here's my view on this, do I think he made a skilled perfect shot? no not at all. he got lucky. he shot one heck of a buck and all you morons have done nothing but talk crap! should he clean up the pics? I say no I want to see the arrow. I made a bad shot years back and hit the buck in the head, I didn't admit it was accidental, I played it off like I was the greatest archer ever! ethics police, hell you guys need to work on politeness first. I love this site and I don't know if I would post another pic on here with this great bunch of guys! great buck and thanks for sharing!
 
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but I got an ALERT that the photo is just ammo for anti's. Well, it may be, but so are all the other photos in my opinion. The deer is just as dead as any other.

Any person with a reasonable amount of commonsense realizes that not all hits are perfect or pretty in the world of hunting. Some animals are wounded and wonder mountains for days, months and years wounded. Some are hit in the tail end, others gut shot, some loose legs and others shot in the head. Anti's know this, the "in-between" people know this, and sportsmen know this.

I suppose taking a head shot is questionable, but there are lots of shots that some people might question. Long shots and others. I probably wouldn't shoot for the head, but I'm not good enough to do so anyway, just like I'm not good enough to arch 500 yard rifle or 60 yard archery shots, but many people do. If someone is very confident with those shots, then so be it. I'm not going to pass judgment in the form of deleting this thread.

If someone wants to shoot an animal in the head, then that is their choice.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I've seen pics of a rotting deer in the woods they claimed was left to rot by a hunter, it looked like it was hit by a car. they're going to use everything they can against us. I do know that magazines would never print that pic, and rightly so.
 
azdogman

I can tell by your post that you are a highly educated man by your choice of words. I looked at your other posts. Doesnt seem like you like to give any positive feedback.

Maybe you just got out of jail, and life has given you lemons. Maybe you just need to get a piece. imo

dogface remember this. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

Have a nice day scholar
 
Were you really expecting positive feedback when you post this stuff. Seriously you shoot a deer in the face, and brag about how you did it on purpose instead of waiting for it to take a few steps and and taking a good shot. As far as your other comments i will not waste my time.
 
AZDirtNap,

How about showing a bit of class and some common frickin' sense?

Too much to ask?

I realize that people have different levels of confidence with certain shots, difference sense of humor, etc. but what you posted here is pure BS. I wont judge you on your shot selection, although a vast majority would. What I question is why do you have to post it?

Look at the title of your thread...AZ Buck head shot...you wanted the attention and you've gotten it. It wasnt about the great buck you killed, it was about YOU showing off about the shot you made. Save that chit for someone who cares. If you cant handle that, I suggest you keep your crap pictures to yourself.

What reaction did you think you'd get from those pictures?

I've been hunting for a very long time and I've taken several thousand pictures over the years. The range of those pictures is everything from pics of animals hanging in the garage, to blood all over them, to animals in backs of trucks, to what I'd consider magazine quality field photos. I regret not taking better photos early on of some of the animals I took. I realize that I could have, and should have, taken some simple steps to get much, much better photos. I routinely make sure that most of the blood is not visible in photos, tounges arent hanging out, and that I take pictures in the field. Its not that much more work to do it right.

I personally dont find it in good taste to post pictures of animals in the backs of trucks, with excessive blood all over them, tounges hanging out, arrows hanging out of them, etc.

Theres a learning curve to taking quality photos and I now go to great lengths to get good pictures...and I do so for obvious reasons. I want tasteful photos that show respect to the animals and respect for the hunt itself. I can assure you that I could have EASILY taken much more tasteful photos of that great buck you killed.

It just makes sense to temper your photos and realize that what you post on a public message board is going to be fair game to everyone...one picture is worth a thousand words...something you must have forgotten about.

I hope you've learned something here, but from your tone I suspect you have not...good luck with that.

Oh, and heres a couple photos for some reference on what you can accomplish with a couple minutes of time.

This buck was a bloody mess after I shot him. I cleaned most of the blood off with a spare game bag...much better pictures than if I wouldnt have taken the time to clean him up:

http://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/muledeer/websize/IMG_1451.JPG[img]

Another example is the elk I killed a few years ago...notice how just placing a bow in the second photo to hide the entry hole/blood makes a much more appealing photo...again just two seconds of time cleaned up that photo. I also removed the arrow from the elk as well.

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/buzzandpat/elkhunting/websize/553.JPG

575.JPG
 
Everyone has the right to their opinion on something. I have no problem with that. When people say statements that are personal attacks like, Moron, dumb, a show some classic etc, that is crossing the line.

I never stated that i was braging about my shot. It was the only shot i had at the time or let him wake. I thought i could make the shot and took it. Maybe i did get lucky but he is on the ground just like your bull. IMO it looks like your shot was a lucky one to on your bull. Nice pic. Maybe you are right i should have clean him up a bit.
 
Asking someone to show some respect for the animals they take, showing some class in taking pictures, and making reasonable decisions on posting certain photos on public message boards is not crossing the line or a personal attack. Around here its known as common sense, which is apparently not that common in your neck of the woods.

What do you base your opinion on regarding me being lucky with the shot I took on that elk? Do you understand the anatomy of big-game animals? How about shot angles? I highly suspect your knowledge of both are lacking and perhaps thats why you chose the head shot?

I'll not dive further into this thread as your lack of hunting experience in your comments on this thread is light years beyond the obvious. Even more obvious is that you dont give a chit about anything but your grandious, yet highly sensitive, ego. You getting the hint and learning from this is also not likely, so any further discussion on this subject is a waste of my valuable time.

Good luck.
 
BuzzH,

Their you go again with the attacks. "your neck of the woods" "Known as common sense" light years beyond the obvious.
Thx Yoda.

Dude if you are telling me that you did not hit the guts first before hitting liver or lungs, you are full of chit(like you word). That was pretty far back. Lucky shot IMO.
Dont be so sensitive.

I did learn something from you. First i need to carry a power sprayer and soap to clean my kill and second i need some tanpons to plug up the holes.

Ill give you a tip on picture taking. Keep your hat on.
 
az im glad that the bosses showed up to tell you when,where,&how to shoot and take "profesional" photos of your animals great buck great pic its your life your buck do how you do
 
>For the recent rifle to bow
>converts, take note, you can't
>go to Cabelas a day
>or even a week before
>the opener, drop some cash
>on a new bow and
>expect to make a clean
>and ethical shot on an
>animal. Just not going to
>happen.


What about HUMPHRIES? Can I go there a day before the hunt, drop some cash on a bow and make a clean and ethical shot on an animal? Can that happen?
 
thx hornkiller

Every one has the right to their opinion. The problem with shielding the blood, the shots, and the ugly stuff of hunting is that it is not reality. When you show kids clean professional picture they get an image of that. Then when they go out in the field and see a bloody mess they are shocked.

Hunting is not for everyone.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-09 AT 10:55AM (MST)[p]>I never stated that i was
>braging about my shot. It
>was the only shot i
>had at the time or
>let him wake. I thought
>i could make the shot
>and took it.


I would say you did brag about it or least want to draw attention to it by your title:"AZ Buck head shot".

and your statement:"A down hill shot on the head is better then a level shot. I have had arrows skip of pigs when shooting at them on level ground."

So you admit to wounding other animals by attempting headshots.
How many of them went off only to die later to infections?

I would like to know where you were taught that. Anything I have ever seen in hunters safety classes, or other instructional material never mentioned once that ""A down hill shot on the head is better then a level shot". All I have ever seen or heard is don't do it, period.

I also find it disturbing that some on here are OK with his choice of shot.

You admit that it was either that shot or let him walk. Sometimes it is better to let them walk. You got lucky once. 80% of the time though, this is what will happen.
deer-hunting-01.jpg


Realize that many on here including me are not attacking you, but questioning your shot choice, and then your act of posting the photo the way it was and drawing to attention to it. Listen to some of the advice on shot selection though and apply it to future hunts. There is many years of experience on this board. It sounds like you are just starting out.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-09 AT 11:03AM (MST)[p]brokenwind
I stated skip off of a pigs head. Not stuck in a pigs head. I head shot is not my first choice of shot. Maybe in the future i will let it walk if the shot doesnt feel good. Thx
 
>brokenwind
>I stated skip off of a
>pigs head. Not stuck in
>a pigs head. Died of
>infection get a life.


And since when is creating a several inch long gash in an animals head good for it? It doesn't have to stick to cause infection. Bacteria from the dirt they roll around in gets in the wound, and that's all it takes.

I think you just need to admit that you made a poor shot choice and got lucky, and commit to do things differently in the future.
 
>>brokenwind
>>I stated skip off of a
>>pigs head. Not stuck in
>>a pigs head. Died of
>>infection get a life.
>
>
>And since when is creating a
>several inch long gash in
>an animals head good for
>it? It doesn't have
>to stick to cause infection.
>Bacteria from the dirt they
>roll around in gets in
>the wound, and that's all
>it takes.
>
>I think you just need to
>admit that you made a
>poor shot choice and got
>lucky, and commit to do
>things differently in the future.
>


When I was 15, my buddy and I were bow hunting for elk and he had a similar shot. A calf elk had it's head sticking over a hill about 30 yards away, and he pulls up and shoots. The arrow hit just above the nose and slid along it's head and then bounced off up into the sky. We never did find the elk or arrow. We didn't think much else of it until during the rifle season. We were hunting in the same area and came upon an elk skeleton that appeared to be a calf. We could see what looked like a knife scratch right up its skull starting near the nose. How long it took to die, I guess we'll never know, but it died just the same.
 
Nice buck, hoping to get one that size this year. I could put money on the statement that most of the people on this sight who have condemned you for killing a deer with a head shot have done alot worse. I'm sure many of the "arm chair hunters" on this sight that don't like your kill shot have wounded animals that they have not recovered, leaving them to suffer a painful death. It happens, I've shot and never recovered an animal before. Because we're human and we all make mistakes, we need to lay off the criticizm and congratulate the hunter. I don't agree with the head shot but I don't care how the buck was harvested because I can't control how people choose to live their lives. If that's your shot and your happy with it, then I'm happy for you. We have the freedom to choose, that is how we learn, grow and progress in this life.
 
boo whoo for hornkiler, hey fact is you made the shot, harvested the animal and there it is. If those who find it to cruel or what ever, maybe they might think of taking up gardening or knitting to pass the time. Blood is blood, dead is dead, if you don't like the shot don't take it if your comfy taking feel free. There are countless animals lost each year through bow, muzzleloader or rifle shots that didnt hit there so called spot, fact is it happens and if i were a betting man would guess hornkiller and others that have a problem with your shot have lost an animal or two in there hunting past. So great buck, great shot (planned or not) it did the job.
 
If a hunting show on television aired a segment that showed a hunter taking a head shot with a bow at a deer (whether he hit it or not), I bet everyone on this board would be on there the next day criticizing his shot and saying how unethical it was. I have see posts like that countless times.

I find it funny people say they have the choice to hunt anyway they want, and then turn around and rip on someone else for high fence hunting or some other thing they don't agree with.


All I know, that if my son had taken and made a shot like this. I would have congratulated him for 10 seconds, and then taken away his bow for 2 years. It goes against every acceptable shot he has ever learned about in hunters safety and from me.
 
And thats your personal opinion and your choice, and its right for you. But who are you or I to say its not for somebody that is willing to do it??? As far as tv that really cant be compared to anything as they have to edit it to suit the masses, hunters or not. I would be willing to bet that most guys if had a deer of life time close enough and only could pop in the head would prob do so with out thinking about it at time, dare to say if you say you would'nt that your a liar! We all know what bows are capible of these days, and I know you would head shot with a gun given that it was only shot available.
 
>
>
>All I know, that if my
>son had taken and made
>a shot like this.
>I would have congratulated him
>for 10 seconds, and then
>taken away his bow for
>2 years. It goes
>against every acceptable shot he
>has ever learned about in
>hunters safety and from me.
>


Exactly. And this post can do exactly that. There's probably kids perusing this site and they're going to see the size of that deer and the shot that was taken and think that it's OK. When everyone knows for a fact that the shot taken was not OK. The risk of failure is way too high to even think about it.

AZ you should have let the deer walk away. If the shot doesn't present itself then you let it walk away. Period. Grow up and just accept the fact that the shot wasn't ethical and move on. Don't glorify the shot and teach the younger generations the difference between a good and a bad shot is and that sometimes you have to just walk away.
 
Pretty sad that you people put the responsibility of shot placement on pictures on this site or any other place, fact is if your child takes a poor shot there is more blame that should go on you as the parent than that of some man that post a pic on the internet. Hell as a young kid I would put buck fever on front burner of poor shot placement, the parents then way down the list some pic on internet.. but if it makes you justify your kids poor shot then hey have at it.
 
>And thats your personal opinion and
>your choice, and its right
>for you. But who
>are you or I to
>say its not for somebody
>that is willing to do
>it??? As far as tv
>that really cant be compared
>to anything as they have
>to edit it to suit
>the masses, hunters or not.
>I would be willing to
>bet that most guys if
>had a deer of life
>time close enough and only
>could pop in the head
>would prob do so with
>out thinking about it at
>time, dare to say if
>you say you would'nt that
>your a liar! We
>all know what bows are
>capible of these days, and
>I know you would head
>shot with a gun given
>that it was only shot
>available.


Well I can't speak for others, but I can say for me if I was bowhunting, and the world record walked out and all I could see was his head, he would end up walking away.

I'm sorry if you feel it would be acceptable, just because it is the "deer of a lifetime". Size should have nothing to do with shot choice. Your right, we know what bows are capable of, and they are not designed to head shoot animals effectively and consistently. If you find a bow that advertises "designed for head shots" let me know.

A gun is a different story. They are designed to effectively and consistently kill if shot at an animals head. Still I have seen too many deer with bullet holes through their nose, or their lower jaws shot off, to desire to take that shot.
 
That's a WILD shot on a nice deer dirtnap!!!

BUZZ, I agree with you on the pics though! Not a lot of effort to clean-up! I always take LOTS of pics of the WHOLE scene. Then I sparingly share them with folks.... ;-)

S.

:)
 
huntdad

what the hell was that all about. I was on your side on your cry baby post about "your buck" and how other guys stole it from you. I seen plenty of boo hooin from you on that post then come here start pissen match with everybody on this post! Im with az its his tag do what he wants with it get mad at the d.w.r. let everybody kill from a dam spike to how ever big you want. make the state 3 piont or better that would be better for the deer than 50% of the people with tags take head shots the post reads az "HEAD SHOT" think about it if you dont want to look at it dont f@%#en open the link
 
thx hornkiller, here's the point I've been trying to make to you guys on here. if you don't want to see a archery head shot, don't open the post! you guys get on here and nit pick this guy to death, start a new post! lets debate it! hell I'll be right along with you, but to get on here and talk crap to guy that is so pumped up from killing a great deer is pathetic! im guilty of bad shots and I have lost a few animals over the years! but congradulate the guy and let him have his moment! do you morons even have a clue as to why the anti's are tough to fight? its because they are organized, they stick together and back each other no matter how they feel! azdn congrats again man pm me the story of the hunt, id love to hear it!
 
slowyota (34 posts)
Aug-25-09, 11:43 AM (MST)
8. "RE: AZ Buck head shot"
>I removed the pics. I did
>not want it to get
>ugly in here.

Definatley a nice buck and one to be proud of.

But why the head-shot? It might work for rifle hunters, but not bow.

BTW - Clean up the pic and re-post just the buck. No reason to show the deer with an arrow sticking in its eye.

then this statement.
AZ you should have let the deer walk away. If the shot doesn't present itself then you let it walk away. Period. Grow up and just accept the fact that the shot wasn't ethical and move on. Don't glorify the shot and teach the younger generations the difference between a good and a bad shot is and that sometimes you have to just walk away.

Dude,
I think you are bi-polar. Why are you tring to force me to agree with you. I agree to disagree. I could ask the same question about your brothers buck. 55 yards is far maybe you should let it walk or learn to get closer. Maybe your are related to the other scholar in here azdogman. Ill try to grow up master.
 
If a guy feels comfortable throwing an asprin in the air and hitting it with a long bow, why can't a guy that is a great marksman feel comfortable shooting a deer in the head. He knew he could take the shot, he took it, and the deer is dead.

Why aren't all you cry baby archers out hunting??? Did you know it's archery season? Quit Whining and go Hunt!
 
AZ nice buck, post what ever pics you want the pacifists on here will always find something to rip good folks for. :'(


Kyle
"If it moves shoot it again"

 
buzzh sorry but that shot on your bull looks way to far back to me! even with the angles and I fully understand how that works, but I've also seen the arrow glance off the ribs, it is very easy to say that was an unethical bow shot! too steep of an angle for me so that's a shot I would've passed on! but your bulls dead so its ok now? hmmm. great bull by the way and congrats on your 2 beautiful trophies. and I would like to see cleaned up photos as well as the one above. wow its so easy to judge and criticize on here!
 
Actually that shot on his bull emphasizes the point on why you should not take head shots.

I'm guessing that is not where he was aiming. (judging from the hit on his deer, he appears to know where to shoot) Did the elk jump the string, did he pull the shot? Only he knows. Aiming at the lungs though, he had a much larger margin of error. He appears to have missed the "ideal" spot by over a foot, and still ended up with the animal. With a bow, there are too many variables to rely on a head shot. If your off by an inch or two, you've killed the animal but most likely wont recover it. A deers head could move more then an inch or two in the blink of an eye that it would take an arrow to get there.

I think many people on here (me included) congratulated him on the shot, but then recommended against that type of shot in the future.

I would have left it at that, until I saw that he felt it was perfectly OK to have taken that type of shot intentionally and even brag about wounding other animals that he has shot at in the head. Then he acts if it is no big deal that the arrow only smacked off their heads.

I think hunters should show more respect to animals then that. I don't see him taking a knife and slicing his own head open from between his eyes to his scalp, and think it's no big deal.

As someone mentioned previously. Many youth get on here and view these posts. The last thing they need to take from this forum that it is OK to take shots like that. I can almost guarantee one of them this year will have a similar shot opportunity, and will think back to this thread. Hopefully they won't think "well everybody seemed OK with it on the message board and the other guy killed his deer so why not?"
 
Last time I checked Randy Ulmer and the other pros didnt need a head shot to kill up buck. IMO That will be a hit with the mags.
 
>

>Dude,
>I think you are bi-polar. Why
>are you tring to force
>me to agree with you.
>I agree to disagree. I
>could ask the same question
>about your brothers buck. 55
>yards is far maybe you
>should let it walk or
>learn to get closer. Maybe
>your are related to the
>other scholar in here azdogman.
>Ill try to grow up
>master.
>
>
Not sure what's bipolar about either...1st post, I said you should remove the arrow from the eye and re-post. It is a nice deer and I'm glad it worked out for you. BUT, it's not an ethical shot.
As for the grow-up remark, after reading some of the crap your posting in response to people who don't agree with you. I say grow up. Pretty simple and straight-forward. Nothing bi-polar about either post.

You're right 55 yd's is a far shot. But you know what..he was shooting at an animal that was BROADSIDE in an open field and he shoots everyday and 60 yd shots are no big deal for him.
Not sure if you've seen the size of the kill area on a broadside deer, but in case you haven't, it's considerably larger than their head. What if your deer had taken a step and moved 4 inches either way before the arrow got there? Think real hard...
Now, conversely, what happens if my brothers deer moves 4 inches before his arrow get's there? The difference - his is still in the VITALS and yours is in the nose or the neck. His deer still dies and leaves a good blood-trail. Yours lives in misery with an arrow in it's face.

See the difference yet?
 
Dude i do not remember me braging about hitting a pig in the head. I learned from that shot to not take a level head shot with a bow. If the deer was at a level shot i would have let it walk. It was a downward angle and i choose to take the chance.

It is no difference then Buzz shot on his bull. Hard angle and he choose to make the shot.

LET ME STATE THIS FOR THE RECORD. I KNOW THAT A HEAD SHOT IS NOT IDEAL. I CHOOSE TO TAKE THE SHOT JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU HERE HAVE TAKEN A CHANCE AND LET THE ARROW FLY.

I do not know where i stated that i am a head hunter and the head shot is my target of preference.

All i know is that i love to hunt more then any thing is this world. I have good equipment and practice my shots. I have not shot a field point in 10 years. This has allowed me to be a better shot.

I am not one of those guys who buys a bow a week before the season puts on broadheads and goes out hunting.

I will not tell anyone here that i will never take a head shot again. Have i let animals walk because it did feel right? The answer is yes.

Lets move on here. I did learn this only post what people want to hear and not the truth.

Here is the really story. I put a stalk on this deer. I was wearing a coyote suit. The deer charged me and i stuck in arrow in his head for self defense. I am lucky to be alive.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-27-09 AT 03:20PM (MST)[p]Slowyota,

I see no difference in what could have happen. I do see the difference in shot placement. That is great that your brother shoot 60 like is no big deal. The fact is that everytime you let and arrow fly something could happen.

What if the buck turned and your brother put in the guts, the back leg, the neck or even the head at that distance. What if it ducked and he hit it right below the spine?

It is your opinion that it is an unethical shot. IMOi agree with most it is not ideal but not unethical.

BTW that was a great buck your brother harvest.
 
dc, I agree with you. the problem I have is he didn't have any intentions of needing to defend himself. and yes you back anyone in a corner and I feel their going to start saying what they feel they need to to get out of a jam. it is a unique shot and pic! I wanted to see it, everyone wants their day in the sun, just let him have it! and yes people are coming in and doing the personal attack on his shot. who are we to say good, bad? we weren't there, but I hope you post more pics in the future I for one would love to see them!
 
Yeah because all of the game rifle hunters shoot is killed and recovered--give me a break, nickman. Let the story unfold before you start judging all of us archery hunters!
 
I think if I was to be hunted; I'd rather be shot in the head with a rifle than with a bow, that's for damn sure. And if I had to be shot with a bow, I think I'd choose soft tissue for the broadhead to enter if given the choice. Don't know how much it relates here, but just thought of it while reading the 80-something posts on this.
 
Thanks AZDN I'll let him know.

You're right you never do know what will happen when the arrow leaves the bow. So everything comes down to odd's and how you play them. The odd's that a head-shot will come out in the hunters favor are slim. Bottom line.

I'm not getting my panties in a twist here over it or that you took the shot and if I were in AZ I'd gladly sit down and talk hunting with you and kick back some cold one's. I'm just wanting to throw my 2-cents at ya and hopefully you'll understand that when I saw those pic's it was, "uh-oh, hope the anti's don't get a hold of that" and the second though was "I don't want my kid to see this and think that is an OK shot to take if he was presented with it". (although he's 3 and a bit too you for the internet).

That's all. Not wanting to argue or pick fights, just wanted to make sure that you thought everything through when the shot was made and when the pic was posted.

BTW - I'm still jealous. That deer is SWEEET!
 
IMO the lethal area of the head is too small to ever shoot at with either a gun or a bow. The head is also the most mobile area on the body. If they can jump a string when you shoot at their chest, how much can their head move when they hear the bowstring? And that is MY opinion, you do what you feel comfortable with.

I can also tell you I once shot a hog at point blank range with a pistol to butcher it, and it missed the brain! He was still walking around.

It is also my opinion that this shot took considerable skill AND a good dose of luck. I personally wouldn't take a shot that I don't know for sure I can make 95+% of the time. I don't call people names, but I will say that I believe that with all the factors involved including sting noise and the movement of the head, there is not a guy on this thread (even if you can knock an aspirin out of the air) that can be sure of making this shot 95+% of the time. But that is just my opinion, take it or leave it. That is what you wanted isn't it?

As far as the picture. Even though it does look kind of grusome, I can't imagine a more humane way to die, pretty instantaneous.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 

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