AGAINST 9 DAY HUNT...

peakfreak

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If you are like me and against the 9 day hunt then follow your feelings and beliefs by only hunting 5 days. THat is what I'm doing about it. Spread the word. Seems like most people are against it so if we all man up and only hunt five days then we all win for years to come. I think if you are strongly against the 9 day hunt and you hunt one of the last four days you are a HYPOCRIT...this is how you can do something about it.


"You'll never get a big one if you shoot a little one."
 
Well, I think for some it actually gives them a chance to hunt four days. Not everybody is afforded the chance to take paid vacations and a 9 day hunt would afford that person a couple of weekends to try and put some meat in the freezer.

Just offerin up another point of view. I myself hunt the 30 day hunts.
 
Having just realized I was in the mule deer forum, I am less for a nine day hunt with deer buuuttttt still, some folks do need a couple of weekends to get in 4 days of hunting.
 
My only confusion is why you are opposed to 9 days... All of the numbers I have seen are that since the inception of the 5 day hunt in the South, the harvest numbers went up 34%-37%..? I have seen these figures a number of times so I do believe them. (Unless there are other numbers I should look at?)
So if your dislike for 9 day hunts is that more deer are harvested, isn't that dislike misplaced???
 
If you don't like the 9 day hunt just wait until the deer get a 23 day hunt if the current date plans are accepted.

Could there be a correlation between shortened 5 day hunts and more bucks left to harvest each subsequent year? That is the question and, if true, would equate to more success and higher buck to doe ratios.

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Pack is right. The only reason success rates went up on the five day hunt is because there were more bucks to harvest from the previous years. Which is a good thing. It's not like guys put on their superhunter costumes and become better hunters for five days.

All things being equal, there will always be less animals killed in a shorter hunt than there will in a longer hunt.

Anyone who thinks more deer were killed because the hunt was shortened is an idiot. I think standing down for four days is a noble idea but I doubt it will catch on.
 
take a poll? How many days do you hunt on the general season? I'd wager that wether the hunt is nine days or 5 days the average days hunted will be below 5 days. Limit the hunters not the days. If you want to grow big deer that is what needs to happen. Micromanagement!
 
I like the nine day hunt. The problem isn't how long the hunt is it is how many dinks get slaughtered by people that just want to kill a buck. If you all want to make a difference then leave the less than mature buck alone and let them grow up. Make a choice for yourselves to only take a mature buck and half the problem is solved. As far as Utahs management goes it sucks. they need to take a page out of Colorados book and micro manage the units that are classified as a general unit.
 
Most hunters just want meat in the freezer... Trophy hunters are in the minority. A dead buck is a dead buck, whether its a 4 point or small forkie... nothing wrong with shooting a small buck... its still a dead deer! I am just happy that I have the opportunity to hunt every year... I would rather shoot a 2 point every year than just have the opportunity to hunt a mature buck every 5. I think the 5 day hunts are a joke, as stated before alot of people only have the opprtunity to hunt on the weekends... that limits them to just 2 days.
 
I don't agree with the 9 day either. Most of the hunters I know are looking for mature bucks and have the self control to let the small ones live on. Now we will need the extra days in years to come to look for the big one that will be harder to find.
 
THANK YOU I HOPE EVERY ONE FOLLOWS YOUR WAY SO THAT I HAVE THE WHOLE SOUTH END TO MYSELF THOSE LAST FOUR DAYS THANKS MAN
 
its all gobble de gook if you believe any poll that comes out of the dwr anyways. you can use numbers to push what every you want. Besides they seem talk out both sides of their mouth

the 5 day rifle hunt in southern Utah was pushed back to 9 days because 9 day hunts kill the same amount of deer as the 5 day hunts, However the 9 day hunt in NE region was cut from 9 days to 5 days because their deer herd sucks. Me thinking out loud trying to understand "9 day hunts kill same amount of deer as 5 day hunts" Never mind Its a trick question so answer is d all of the above. Next question

Management tags won't work for elk but they will work for deer

You can't allow rifles to hunt state wide but you can allow archery.

Three point or better will work for whitetail deer but not for muledeer.

Management tags will improve public land hunting because you kill the ugly buck, however the doe carries half the gene and nobody knows where she is.



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Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
According to the info I was given at a RAC meeting by Anis Aoude ( state big manager for the DWR) 5 day hunts save about 10% of the bucks vs. hunting for 9 days. It does help over a few years.
 
Good point on the post. People who are against 5 day hunts should stop hunting after 5 days. I'm for the 9 day hunts so I'll be alright continuing to hunt.

Also, if you really love the 5 day hunts, there are still units in the state that are limited to 5 days. You can hunt those areas if it makes you feel better.

Which brings up one other question. If the 5 day thing was so great, how come Monroe is still on it?
 
You can say what you want, but I know for a fact there are a lot more mature bucks today than there was five years ago. A meat buck hunter is going to shoot the first buck he see's so they don't really matter. Same amount of bucks killed in a five day hunt as a 9 day hunt? I DON'T THINK SO! You JACKASS'S have fun hunting the last four days...this post was not meant for you anyway.
 
I wont hunt anything but opening morning this year with a friend cause I don't have a tag.

I was showing how messed up our game management is and how who ever is managing it will talk out both sides of their mouth to get what they want.

They say 5 day hunts kill same amount of deer as 9 day hunts. So it wont hurt the southern unit to extend their hunt to 9 days.

then they say out the other side of their mouth 9 day hunts kill to many bucks and shorten the Ne area down to 5 days.

I say which is it? I would prefer to only see 5 day rifle hunts state wide because I believe they do work at saving a few more bucks. Most of the southern boys at the rac didnt want a 9 day hunt to begin with. Most wanted a 5 day hunt and believe their are more bucks and older bucks because of the 5 day hunt.

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Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
all you guys are a joke if you dont like it dont hunt utah those who do then hunt utah all you wine asses on here always bitchin and moanin about something nobody really knows the numbers all you can say you do but you dont 5 day hunt 9 day hunt who cares all you trophy hunters should have there deer found and pegged so it should take them 1 day maybe 3 to 4 if they know what there doing quit cryin about utah hunts
 
Your right the meat hunter may shoot what ever they need to. probably to help put food on the table.( I Thought that's what it started out being about)If you are the Trophy hunter that you come across to be, it would not matter if you hunted one day or all nine. if it is not a trophy, your not going to shoot!I"m not saying that i think the nine day hunt is where it needs to be. But am saying that you should make your own decision for your own reasons and not jump in the sack with someone to help benefit their pocket! Not all of us have the capability of making extra money off helping others shoot Trophy animals.As for jackass i believe that you hunt right up to the last day if you have not gotten your paid hunter his trophy. I think if i have not shot mine ill do the same!!!!!!!!!!! do you know the class of buck shot the last few years? how many where shot for food? how many shot for trophy to hang on the wall only? How many where shot do to guides taken people in and being paid to help them find their animals? How many spikes/two points and how many 180 or higher class deer taken? you seem to know so much about reason deer have been killed thought maybe you could answer some for me? You have your reasons for what you do well so do others!The last four days may be the only time a man has to get off work to to find the scatted herds and shoot his small deer and help feed the family! So i think you should do what ever you want Cody.


Just my thoughts
 
Here we go again. Trophy hunting has become a disease!!!!!!!! Most of us have kids, you know, small people who are in school but whom we like to take with us. The nine day hunt gives us two weekends to have our kids with us. Second, us jackasses that would consider eating what we kill, well enough said, only a clown hunts old animals to eat, so the trophy hunter kills to get points, and thusly are what the anti's say they are. No, I wouldn't pass a monster to shoot a spike, but my goal is to spend as much time with family and friends in the hills as possible. Killing is way down the list. Third, my guess is your first deer wasn't a 180 point 4x4, it was probably some dumb spike/ 2 point that stood around long enough for you to shoot it. I have hunted deer for 21 years(with a gun, 32 years just going), I am 35 and can count on one hand the 20" plus bucks I have killed. So should we just tell our kids, hey hunting is fun, but you can only go 2 days because your in school, and the only deer you can shoot is a trophy, so you will never learn to kill clean, but hey this is fun. I am for a 3 point or better system( 3 points are still young enough to eat well) for those older than 18, our kids should be allowed to kill a deer, period. Second, antler size has nothing to do with genetics, what I mean is, a 180 4x4 breeds a doe, the resulting buck has his genes. If this young buck breeds before he is a 180 buck, he still carries the genes passed on to him. His genes don't improve with age, they are the same from birth. I also would like to see smaller zones. Lastly, tomorow is opening day, and I am home with H1N1, you never miss it until you can't go, so don't screw the working guys and kids out of time, so you can shoot a monster!
 
Holy shizola! You guys crack me up and have missed my point. I don't have any problems with the "meat hunter". To each his own. I don't have any problems with shooting small bucks with your kids. I've done that the last two years. You've got to get the next generation hooked and that means putting something on the ground for them. I'm saying more bucks are killed on a nine day hunt and I don't like or want that. Sorry if I offended any of you with the Jackass comment. Please, just understand what I'm saying.
 
Dude I don't even pay attention if someone isn't calling me something! I started hunting elk a year or two before they went spike only on the Manti. It took years to build a herd but after 4-5 years we started seeing a lot more bulls and a lot of bigger bulls, then.....the DWR decided that they were too successful and they needed to kill more bulls. Now it is the most tagged LE unit, plus another 25-50 tags given away. I get what you southern guys are pissed about. However(and the DWR stumbled into this) if the Manti would have stayed a 6yr old unit with less tags the wait on the other LE's would be 5 years longer. The point, the majority of hunters just want to hunt, we would love to get trophy animals, but we want to hunt. If the south and south east stay 5 days, how many more guys go central and n. e.? The only way these small timeframes work is if you don't lock up 30-50% of the state. If the manti drainage was a unit, 6 mile was a unit, 12 mile was a unit, epraim a unit, Mt. Pleasant a unit and so on and so forth you can manipulate time frames and quota, but when 12 mile above mayfield and thistle 50 miles away are in the same unit these small controls don't work. Perhaps instead of buying trucks, and going to the police academy so they can respond to DUI's the DWR should try something new, MANAGEMENT. Or they should just do what we know they are, maximizing tag sells
 
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-09 AT 03:06PM (MST)[p]WTF? AGAING WTF? peak you have no clue.........5 days nine days Who the heck cares...ITs not going to change anything. IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF 5 DAYS THEN THATS GREAT FOR YOU. BUT DON'T GO AROUND SAYING IT. YEP LETS CUT ALL THE 9 DAY HUNTS TO 5. THEN IN A YEAR OR TWO LETS CUT ALL THE 5 DAY HUNTS TO THREE AND SO ON AND SO ON UNTIL WE CAN'T HUNT YOU JACK @$$. WHAT KIND OF THINKING IS GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD. WE USED TO HUNT 11 DAYS AND BEFORE THAT LONGER. OTHER STATES HAVE MONTH LONG HUNTS AND SOME HAVE LONGER. AND THEY STILL HAVE BETTER DEER. AGAIN WTF?

SO you only hunt big bucks WHO CARES GOOD FOR YOU. So you hunt little bucks WHO CARES!!!!!!.. Its all about getting out and having fun. Kill a big buck kill a small buck. GOOD GOSH I think There is a flood on this web page due to all the crying...

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IMO
A 5 day or 9 day hunt isnt an effective tool for managing a unit or a state. Utah issues way too many tag for the general hunt. If they were to cut all general tags by 50%, Utah could have the best muledeer hunting around.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-09
>AT 03:06?PM (MST)

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>WTF? AGAING WTF? peak you have
>no clue.........5 days nine days
>Who the heck cares...ITs not
>going to change anything. IF
>YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF
>5 DAYS THEN THATS GREAT
>FOR YOU. BUT DON'T GO
>AROUND SAYING IT. YEP LETS
>CUT ALL THE 9 DAY
>HUNTS TO 5. THEN IN
>A YEAR OR TWO LETS
>CUT ALL THE 5 DAY
>HUNTS TO THREE AND SO
>ON AND SO ON UNTIL
>WE CAN'T HUNT YOU JACK
>@$$. WHAT KIND OF THINKING
>IS GOING ON IN YOUR
>HEAD. WE USED TO HUNT
>11 DAYS AND BEFORE THAT
>LONGER. OTHER STATES HAVE MONTH
>LONG HUNTS AND SOME HAVE
>LONGER. AND THEY STILL HAVE
>BETTER DEER. AGAIN WTF?
>
>SO you only hunt big bucks
>WHO CARES GOOD FOR YOU.
>So you hunt little bucks
>WHO CARES!!!!!!.. Its all about
>getting out and having fun.
>Kill a big buck kill
>a small buck. GOOD GOSH
>I think There is a
>flood on this web page
>due to all the crying...
>
>
>:'( :'( :'(

You don't have a FUGGIN clue! My point is I'm not in favor of the 9 day hunt. It's been nice to go out and see some bucks for once these last couple years. I have yet to meet anybody in person that is for the 9 day hunt. So I'm a cry baby because I choose to not hunt the last four days of the hunt? Is that crying or even complaining? I'm just stating I'm doing something about it and you're bothered by it....LOL "5 days 9 days who the heck cares" obviously you do!
 
YOUR RIGHT I DO CARE AND SO DO MOST PEOPLE.....MORE PEOPLE ARE FOR 9 DAYS THEN AGAINST IT...If you only want to hunt for 4 days good on you. ITs great if you can take all 4 or five days of. I have a family and kids and bills and what not. This is the first Year in the last 10 that I will not be able to take a day off because of some job changes. Not everyone getS to take the whole 5 days of. So becasue you can you want them to make it a five day hunt......HERE IS THE STUPIDITY BEHIND IT. The deer hunt used to be longer. Then it got pushed to 11 days. Then it got pushed to nine days. DID ANY OF IT FIX THE DEER NUMBERS AND THE NUMBER OF LARGER BUCK FOUND....NO!!!!!!....AND NOW YOU! WANT IT TO BE 5 DAYS...WHAT NEXT 3 THEN 1 AND OOHHH SORRY YOU CAN'T HUNT ANYMORE....."SO ITS NICE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE SOME BUCK THE LAST FEW YEARS WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH 5 DAY HUNT......THE DEER NUMBERS IN ALOT OF AREA FACED SOME VERY ROUGH TIMES THE LAST FEW YEARS DROUGHT, HEAVEY WINTERS AND SUCH. THE FIVE DAY STUFF WAS SET UP TO GET THOSE NUMBERS TO REBOUND. NOW THAT MANY OF THE AREAS HAVE BETTER DEER NUMBERS WHY SHOULD THEY STAY A FIVE DAY HUNT?.....
 
Red,
Thanks for the link that is some good stuff. I agree with you on the proposed muzzy hunt. However, one minute you say nobody cares then the next minute everybody cares. I don't get it. You contridict yourself every other sentence. Your quote "HERE IS THE STUPIDITY BEHIND IT. The deer hunt used to be longer. Then it got pushed to 11 days. Then it got pushed to nine days DID ANY OF IT FIX THE DEER NUMBERS AND THE NUMBER OF LARGER BUCK FOUND...NO!!!...."SO ITS NICE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE SOME BUCK THE LAST FEW YEARS WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE 5 DAY HUNT" (and then you answer your own question) "THE DEER NUMBERS IN ALOT OF AREA FACED SOME VERY ROUGH TIMES THE LAST FEW YEARS DROUGHT, HEAVY WINTERS AND SUCH. THE FIVE DAY STUFF WAS SET UP TO HELP THOSE NUMBERS REBOUND. NOW THAT MANY OF THE AREAS HAVE BETTER DEER NUMBERS WHY SHOULD THEY STAY THE FIVE DAY HUNT?" It's hard to argue with somebody that disagees with himself every other sentence. Where did you get your info on your quote "more people are for nine days then against it" from.

I really don't care what anybody else thinks on the 5 vs.9. I stopped hunting mule deer in the mid 90's because it sucked so bad. Then 5 years ago I started seeing more deer and some bigger bucks so I started hunting them again and have found a new passion for it. They are my favorite animal to hunt. I spend 30 days min. a year on the mountain so I don't need 4 more days to feel like I've been hunting. I enjoy scouting as much or more than hunting. It's about getting out and seeing some animals for me. I've never drawn a LE hunt and I'm not complaining about it because I get out and enjoy seeing the animals on LE units. I don't have to hang one on the wall to be satisfied. I don't want to see the herd go back to like it was in the 90's because you could have a 30 day hunt and it would still suck.
 
I just returned from the Southern Unit. I can tell you from my experience in the past eleven years on this unit, the five day hunt didn't do what you all think it did. Something else brought the deer back. Case in point - this year - there are simply not as many deer. I'm sure the nine day hunt will get blamed for there not being as many deer after the hunt is over, but I hunted hard, saw a few good bucks, saw a few yearling bucks, but didn't see nearly as many bucks as years past.

Personally, I think the archers and the muzz hunters are killing more deer than ever before - even many yearlings. Rifle hunters will do their damage, but honestly, the damage is already done.

You want to institute a real plan in Utah, you need to have two rifle seasons - split the tags down the middle. One the last weekend of September, and one on the second weekend in October. Move the Muzz hunt to encompass the Fourth weekend in October.
 
Peak you said that most people are against a 9 day hunt...Where did you get that info form?....My info is from alot of people that hunt the five day areas and want them put back to nine. You said you have yet to meet someone in person that is for the nine day hunt...Well I will be your first and I would bet I could find many others. You say you don't care what other think about the 5 vs. 9 then why would you ask others to stand behind you in a five day hunt? If its all about seeing deer for you and you don't need a hunt to feel like you've been hunting then why hunt? leave the deer for someone else. I will how ever agree that I would not want to see the numbers go back to what they were in the 90's THAT WOULD SUCK. The deer herds in Utah have come along way over the last 15 years. I think most poeple forget what the numbers used to look like. Many people have been spoiled. Utah a few years ago had some of the best numbers its ever had due to mild winter and some great mild weather years with enough water and feed to produce larger numbers of deer. Its only been the last few those numbers have suffered. Maily due to the drought we had and some some bad winter conditons. Its still better then what it was back in the 90's. And it won't take long for it to get that way again if we have a few for wet years and mild winters. I personaly feel I have seen many great deer this year and in some areas larger numbers and bigger buck then in years past. In other areas its not the same. I've seen fewer buck as well as few does and fewer fawns. These were in areas that had some really bad winter kill two years ago. 4 days longer in a hunt is not going to change the amount of buck killed by much. so few deer are killed the last four days and there is plenty of numbers out there that show this. It sound like you are willing to do the work to get the deer you want. Im the same way as well. But that being said if you are willing to do the work then why would it matter if its 9 days. The only reason I really care about it is because of all the hipe form animal activist trying to get hunting shut down. Every little peace we lose no matter how small or large is one step closer for them to get what they want.
 
PEAK FREAK you are just trying to stir the pot. You just like picking up all the big four point sheds we have been finding the last 5 years.This year its going to be just a bunch of forkies thanks to the 9 day hunt I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPIE UTARDS
 
fish,
I wish I could find a shed...lol...seriously

red,
no worries I understand the animal activist issue 100%...bottom line we are all on the same team even if we disagree a little on the play calling. Hope you guys all get your bucks...by the fifth day...lol

Later
 
+ 1 Hossblur! It's all about the hunt and the experience and if we loose that how do we keep our kids excited about hunting!
 

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