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I just spent a week in the Book Cliffs.
Wow!
I do believe each permit holder brought 2-8 friends & their Quads.
Funny how them 20" Bucks were passed upon the first day but slayed on day 2 & 3.
Watched one hunter destroy his trophy 18" rack with a back-up shot.
To say "Orange Everywhere" would be an understatement.
This Unit is being pounded way to hard.
When is the dwr going to pull their heads out?


we are YoungCountry, we like all kinds
of music and people, 'cause we do draw some lines'
no our hair is not orange,we don't wear chains and spikes
but we know how to have fun come Saturday night
 
I was also out there helping with 3 tags. I was thinking the same thing. lots of orange!

We passed 30-40 bucks a day and had a great time with my daughter. one guy in our party killed a heavy 26" wide 170 class buck. the other two in our party have passed up a few that maybe they shouldn't have. i guess we will see when it all said and done. they will be out their the whole hunt.





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Although I was not hunting, I spent friday, sunday and monday in the books cliffs working. I saw lots of hunters and a few decent bucks, but the deer weren't the quality I thought I would be seeing. The best deer I saw was in the back of a black truck that past me friday evening. They were "going ninety", weren't slowing down for nobody. I'm sure hoping they got stopped before they got out of there.
 
The best hunt out there for quality is the archery hunt. Have you noticed how stupid the deer are in the books on the rifle hunt. they just stand their looking at you.

The deer on the archery hunt are even dumber. It must be something in the water that makes them so stupid.

I sat on a 4-wheeler next to water hole on Sunday with my daughter and the deer still came in to drink 5 and 10 at a time. They cam in all day long and didn't really care we were their.

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Stupid huh?
Show me how many 'stupid' 30"ers hit the dirt?
I'll agree,most MOTL bucks are kinda stupid.
So sw?
You spent some time out there,how many bucks did you see that were past age 4?


we are YoungCountry, we like all kinds
of music and people, 'cause we do draw some lines'
no our hair is not orange,we don't wear chains and spikes
but we know how to have fun come Saturday night
 
i only saw one buck over the age of 4 it was a big 28" heavy 3x4 with eyeguards. we passed it on opening morning. probably should have shot it. It was the biggest bodied deer we saw so far on the rifle hunt. the rest were 2 year old three and fours. crab this and crab that. narrow

the one thing they did have in common was i could have killed just about every buck I saw with my bow. some of the these bucks were as close as 10 yards from a idling jeep with kids talking to them.

you wont see too many stupid 30" on that unit cause it dosent carry that genitic trait IMHO. there was probably one buck that wide I saw all year that was killed that big. 4x2 and that is if it was even killed in that unit.

I would never put in for the rifle hunt out there. It seriously looks like general season only difference is everybody road hunts. ten spotters in a truck with one tag.

love to see my daughter get a tag out their though. That would be fun.

so how did you guys do?



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We hunted damn hard! It was a tough hunt, no doubt about it. We avoided the pumpkin patch and finally got the job done today. I passed on my buck 5 times, looking him over and sizing him up. Huge body and huge ears. He had 25 inch ears, which threw me of big time. He is 27 inches wide, and grosses 180 6/8. It took me a long time to make the decision to shoot. But from what I'm hearing guys aren't seeing much bigger. I'm a little disappointed in a way, because you always go into a LE hunt with high hopes of killing a giant. But, we had what we had, to work with. Good luck to the rest of the guys still hunting. This weather will help a ton!
 
swbuckmaster
The 4 X 2 was from that unit & yes he's dead,funny horn on the 2 point side & 37" wide.
There won't be any pics posted of this buck.

great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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I dont need a photo of 37" 4x2 I already have a few

It is also on one of the mossbacks videos

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>We hunted damn hard! It
>was a tough hunt, no
>doubt about it. We
>avoided the pumpkin patch and
>finally got the job done
>today. I passed on
>my buck 5 times, looking
>him over and sizing him
>up. Huge body and
>huge ears. He had
>25 inch ears, which threw
>me of big time.
>He is 27 inches wide,
>and grosses 180 6/8.
>It took me a long
>time to make the decision
>to shoot. But from
>what I'm hearing guys aren't
>seeing much bigger. I'm
>a little disappointed in a
>way, because you always go
>into a LE hunt with
>high hopes of killing a
>giant. But, we had
>what we had, to work
>with. Good luck to
>the rest of the guys
>still hunting. This weather
>will help a ton!

Dude, an honest 180" Buck is big, be proud!

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The 37 inch 2x4 is a very cool unique old buck! I wouldnt think twice about shooting it! I know of a 26 inch wide 180 5 point that a friend killed, He is a member here he will post it if he wants to. My brothers father in law killed a 29 inch 4 point, 3x4 with a cheater that grew straight inside no help on width.

And a bunch of 16-22 inch 3's and 4's is what I have seen and heard of this year.

My boss hunted it for years before they closed it and I'm expecting a good buck from him he is patient and knows the area.
 
HEY GUYS.....IF I DRAW A BOOKS TAG IN 2010......COULD I HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF KILLING A BUCK WITH MY BOW DURING THE RIFLE SEASON???? OR IS THAT LEGAL ??? I WOULD TAKE MY RIFLE BUT USE THE BOW FIRST.....THANKS......YD.
 
ONLY REASON I WOULD DO THAT IS..... THE HOT WEATHER DURING BOW, DONT CARE FOR VELVET BUCKS, I WOULD HAVE BUDDIES TO HUNT WITH DURING RIFLE SEASON......YD.
 
when you literally pass hundreds of bucks in the 18-20 inch range and one decent 160 + class buck finally shows itself I would want the rifle to get it done. especially if you were on a rifle hunt. You probably wont hunt that unit for another 7-10 years.

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I HEAR YA.....I WILL HAVE 11 POINTS IF I DRAW IN 2010.....BUT I HAVE SHOT A BUCK OR TWO OVER 160....& THIS JUST MIGHT BE A "FUN" TYPE OF HUNT FOR ME.... IS A BOW LEGAL THOUGH ??? THANKS....YD.
 
Yes, it's legal. What people refer to as the "rifle" hunt in Utah is in fact an "Any Legal Weapon" hunt.

Nocked N Loaded
 
Yep it legal and sounds like funny I think I have 10 points LOL


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I was there hunting for the first time as well this week. I have never seen so many people on a hunt with 330ish tags. There were 3 people per tag and 4 atv's. Lots of little bucks running around. I did have a good time though and would love to draw with 0 points again.
 
OK....BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE UTAH DEER DRAWS IS THAT FOR NON RESIDENT ALOT OF THE HUNTS HAVE 1 OR 2 TAGS AVAILABLE & THE LINE TAKES FOR EVER TO MOVE. THE BOOKS HAS ABOUT 35 NON RESIDENT TAGS.FOR THE NR HUNTER. HUNTS LIKE DORLORES, CRAWFORDS, & THE HENRIES WOULD TAKE ME FOREVER TO DRAW.....ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS AS TO A GOOD NON RES. DRAW FOR 11-13 POINTS ??? THANKS....YD.
 
OK......POINTS QUESTION......WOULD MY 11 POINTS BE BETTER SPENT ON THE SAN JUANS UNIT.....AND FORGET THE BOOKS UNIT DEER HUNT ?? THIS IS A ONE TIME HUNT FOR ME....LIKE TO SPEND THE POINTS WISELY.......THANKS.....YD.
 
I hear San Juan is getting good again, I would definitely do some research into it. Let's see some pics of these 180 bucks!
 
YD
If I was an archery hunter, I would put up with the heat and hunt the San Juan for deer. There are some really good bucks on that unit, actually there are some really good bucks in the books as well, but I would rather archery hunt the SJ.
Just my .02
 
here is what some friends came home with this year on the rifle hunt.

These guys hunted hard passing hundreds of bucks. they did pass bucks that were larger on opening morning but didn't want the hunt to end on first day.

when hunting the books you got to remember it is not managed for trophy qualiy. It is managed for a good fun family hunt.

You will see some great bucks out there but you will have to dig them out!

The rifle hunt is the worst one if you want quality IMHO they get sloppy thirds.
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sw,
The 3rd Buck/pic is around 25-26" & a decent Buck.
The first 2 Bucks/pics are what should be taken on general region hunts,but thanks to the udwr it'll take an LE tag to get one like them,somethings wrong with the big picture?
With that many pumpkins & that many permits & the average book cliff bucks it looks as if the quality of the hunt ain't quite what it's cracked up to being?
No offense to any of your friends/hunters,but shouldn't their be some jaw droppers comming out of the books by now?

VJ
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>sw,
>The 3rd Buck/pic is around 25-26"
>& a decent Buck.
>The first 2 Bucks/pics are what
>should be taken on general
>region hunts,but thanks to the
>udwr it'll take an LE
>tag to get one like
>them,somethings wrong with the big
>picture?
>With that many pumpkins & that
>many permits & the average
>book cliff bucks it looks
>as if the quality of
>the hunt ain't quite what
>it's cracked up to being?
>
>No offense to any of your
>friends/hunters,but shouldn't their be some
>jaw droppers comming out of
>the books by now?
>
>VJ

The Books are NOT managed to be a Premier unit like the Henrys. It's a fun hunt where you will see a ton of 22-24" bucks, with a few toads taken each year.
 
I guess the division should manage that unit like the Henery mtns where five guys can hunt it and shoot 200" bucks out their truck with there fast drawing window guns. the rest of the 89,995 hunters can go pound sand.

There are big bucks in the books ask "Silentstalker" to post a few pictures of the quality he saw. There are unique bucks out there.
You however are no way guaranteed at 200" when you draw the tag. You will have to have some luck. You will still have to put in your time.

as for the comment comparing that hunt to a general hunt. You'r up in the night. You cannot even compare it to a general unit. Its way better. I also don't want the state to manage the general units like the bookcliffs. Why because it limits opertunity.

Ill get my big buck maybe not this year maybe not next year but ill put a string of them together and say man Im glad I got to hunt every year.

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I didn't even have a tag and had a great time with these guys. I wish I could have spent the whole hunt out there with my kids.

I think if you want quality put in for a different unit. The books is an awesome unit for your wife, daughter, nephew, little brother, grandmother, new hunter, or maybe even you.

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so sw,
it's ok by you to let about 98,000 people pound sand?
Can we see your kids book cliff bucks?
remember,size don't mean jack to me,as long as the tag holder is happy.
also,you're comparing the unit to an open/general unit,yes i'll admit it's better than a general region hunt,but could & should damn well be better than what it is,no you can't let every utard in the state hunt it,accept the facts!
and to your smart azz comment on opportunity,when the herd is gone will you still need to go deer hunting?
ya,you better keep going,i'm sure the dwr will keep selling you opportunists permits as long as you're still smart enough to buy them.

VJ
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I think the Book Cliffs is a great middle ground between a general season type hunt and a hunt like the Henry Mtns. The Books doesn't produce a ton of 30 inchers or 190" bucks, but there aren't many places in the world where you can go and see the sheer numbers of deer and bucks like you can out there. Tell everyone you know that if they want to shoot a 190" buck or a 30 incher that they should put in somewhere else. Yeah, it isn't the Henry Mtns., but hundreds of people have a great time out there every year compared to 20 on the Henries. If the only way you can enjoy a hunt is to kill a monster buck, then by all means put in somewhere else. I wish it didn't take so many points to draw, but obviously there are a lot of people out there that want to hunt the Book Cliffs. The points required to draw a unit is a function of supply and demand, plain and simple. It doesn't necessarily mean the unit has amazing trophy qualit, it just means that lots of people want to hunt it.

Also, everyone who wants to ever have the chance to hunt on ANY limited entry deer unit in Utah should be greatful for the Book Cliffs. It burns through more peoples bonus points in a single season that all other LE deer units in the state combined.

Please spread the word to all the trophy hunters you know that the Book Cliffs is too crowded and only has dinky bucks. That way maybe I can draw it more than a couple times in my life.

Dax
 
Amen Dax... I think there are alot of people that go out there expecting to see 180+ deer all over the unit, in reality unless you know the unit very well or get extreamly lucky you probly wont even see one that big.

Spread the word, there are no big bucks in the book cliffs.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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+1

A friend of mine's brother's uncle who knew a guy told his sister who told her mom that there are ATON of 30" bucks in Park Canyon. Everyone go there.


Damn you Scott!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-09 AT 09:21PM (MST)[p]+1 Daxter and Gdog

I hunted the Books 2 years ago. I knew going in that it was not the Henry's. It was the most enjoyable deer hunt that I had been on up to that point. We saw tons of bucks and after hunting hard for many days, I finally shot the biggest buck that I had ever shot. I think it serves its purpose well. As far as comparing it to a general season hunt, I saw more bucks than I have seen in all of my previous years combined. I would love to go again after I apply for Elk for the next 15-20 years.

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Orion

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it"
-Unforgiven
 
Orion,
It was a lot more fun pushing those muleys around to you. I didn't have the stress of having to find a shooter, I was just having fun trying to find you one.

Layemdown

"Vegetables are not food, vegetables are what food eats!!"
 
>it ain't park canyon.
>it's big park!
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>VJ
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I know what I said. And I meant it. Everyone go there.

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I don't mean to jack the thread but, I am intrested in knowing where you guys are getting your info on the 37" 4x2 that was talked about being killed on the Books this year.If I read it right someone said the deer is in a mossback video.Please tell me which one. Thanks. Keep the pics coming!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-09 AT 09:08AM (MST)[p]VJ said:
"so sw,
it's ok by you to let about 98,000 people pound sand?"

how am I letting 98,000 people pound sand?


"Can we see your kids book cliff bucks?"

When my kids are old enough to hunt Ill post them. My daughters will probably get one of the good ones. They have been practicing their bows every Friday for 2.5 years and have only missed one or two Fridays in that time. They will choose archery and get'er done on a good buck.

"remember,size don't mean jack to me,as long as the tag holder is happy."

then why are you so negative when I posted the photos of their bucks?

"also,you're comparing the unit to an open/general unit"

No you compared it to a general unit and said this is what Utahs general units should look like. i dissagreed because I know how many tags you would have to cut to make that happen!


"and to your smart azz comment on opportunity,when the herd is gone will you still need to go deer hunting?
ya,you better keep going,i'm sure the dwr will keep selling you opportunists permits as long as you're still smart enough to buy them."

Maybe you are young and don't remember how bad deer hunting was in the 90's. well the deer hunting has gotten better every year in Utah with the habitat improvements that have been accomplished by various other groups. managing and growing a deer heard trying to make everybody happy is a hard thing to politically do. The deer hunting for me has gotten better 10 fold and I seem to not have a problem taking a great buck on public land almost every year. You seen doom and gloom, and I don't. So whats the catch you could always hunt where I hunt!



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This is my .02 on the Book Cliffs. I really think they could do a little to improve quality without hurting opportunity. If their quota on deer numbers is about where they want it then: Issue the same number of tags, only make 1/2 of those management tags to take out deer with less than 4 points on one antler. There are an abundance of 3x4's 2x3's that are really nice deer. I would like to see these taken out of the gene pool. I know there are alot of people out there who would be super happy with a 26"- 28" 3x4. I myself am more of a trophy type hunter, and would prefer at least 4 on each side. I don't see how this would hurt opportunity but would enhance the quality of the genetics on these deer. What do you all think?
 
Doesn't the doe have something to do with genetics? I hear people say all of the time the doe carrys the dominate gene. So if a 4 x 4 buck breeds a doe that has poor genetics she can still have a buck fawn that has poor genetics, right? I'm not sure how we could clean up the genetics on a deer heard this size without knowing exactly what genetics all of the deer have.
 
I wouldnt have a problem with making a managment tag out there. a crabby 3x4 for some is a good buck especially if it dosent take 15 years to draw.

broadside
also has a point about the does being half the equation.
trying to manage a public land like a fenced hunt or small cwmu doesn't really have the same desirable effect on the genetics as you would think. It really becomes a way of managing hunters instead.

Like I said I don't have a problem with the management tags for elk or deer.

Cat how do you feel about the management tags for elk? Do you think they work?

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I agree that the doe has 1/2 the genetics, but by eliminating the management style bucks over time I think you will improve quality and keep quantity as well. SW I think elk also need a management hunt, BUT not during the rut or post rut. I hate velvet bulls, but that management hunt needs to begin before they rut and break up horns. Deer as well
 
It's interesting to see the diverse set of opinions expressed on this site about the book cliffs. I believe that most people who hunt the book cliffs enjoy the opportunity to see some pretty unique country while spending quality time with family and friends. Getting a fair buck in the process puts a nice exclamation on a truly enjoyable experience.

For over 35 years, I have spent an incredible amount of time trapping, hunting, and getting pinion wood with its amazing pitch to burn in my fireplace at home during the long winter months. I actually LIVED those early years when big ole grey mossbacks roamed the shell laced hogbacks and sage ravines and dusty flats. It wasn?t uncommon to see 30 inch plus bucks with heavy horns and ghostly behavior each day I was out there?for whatever reason in years past.

I also witnessed the decimation of a magnificent deer population due to poor management and over hunting. It was sad to see hundreds of does with no fawns. Not more than a decade ago, one was incredibly lucky to see a buck at all, let alone one that survived beyond 2 ? years.

Today, the book cliffs has become a great unit for people who want a chance to spend quality time with family and bag a fair buck?a fair buck in terms of shooting something in the 150 to 160 class range. However, for the last 5 years, the quality in terms of available mature bucks that survive past 4 ? years has diminished fast, and will continue to diminish each year. Large mature bucks just can't survive out there anymore due to the hunting pressure, albeit the few bruisers left.

The high buck-to-doe ratio is not in any danger, just the opportunity to find and harvest something in the mid range in terms of trophy quality. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a strategy of less quality and more availability?it appears that this current strategy is what most people want. It certainly provides an awesome experience for families and young people. The book cliffs can be more appropriately defined as a great ?young people?s? place to hunt?and that's still pretty good given the limited opportunities for hunting these days.

However, there are still some of us who would like just a few less tags, not a lot less, but just a few in order to help some of those young bucks get a bit older. Maybe we are just pissing in the wind and trying too hard to relive the good ole days when it's just not possible anymore.

Perhaps I should just leave those good memories behind and accept the fact that change has indeed come. It's not my place anymore, and perhaps it never was. It's indeed not fair for me to expect anything more?I had my time. After all, the book cliffs meet a new need now?one that is entirely appropriate?the chance for regular Joes and great kids to get a young buck without having to fight the crowd in REAL general season pumpkin patch.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-09 AT 11:52AM (MST)[p]The Books is being managed for exactly what it is. A NON PREMIUM unit that burns through some preference points as earlier stated by Dax. Good number of folks get to hunt and see a ton of decent bucks and go away feeling good about the whole experience.

I think you'll be hard pressed to see any management style tags in the near future for the Books as long as those 22-24" bucks keep coming off the mnt and the DWR can continue to collect the $$ from those tags.
 
Buckstomp,

A well though out and informative post. Thanks. I wish I could go back in time to see the Book Cliffs in it's prime. I think you made a really good assessment of what is happening out there, and why. Thanks for sharing your insight.

The DWR manages LE deer units based on buck to doe ratios. The Premium LE deer units (Pauns and Henries) are managed based on a buck to doe ratio AND an age objective. There is no age objective for deer on the regular LE deer units in Utah.

I see a management hunt in the Book Cliffs as a potentially useful tool that could help the DWR keep the buck to doe ratio within the parameters of the management plan while continuing to provide opportunity to hunters and maintaining/improving trophy quality for those that want it. I don't really see it as a tool for improving genetics, but it couldn't hurt to take out more of those older 2x2 2x3, 3x3, and 3x4 bucks.

Dax
 
Dax?I believe your suggestion to incorporate some kind of management hunt is both reasonable and makes good sense. Although you are correct with respect to the ineffectiveness of realistically controling genetics, perhaps some kind of special youth hunt with a limited number of tags is in order to take out more of those older 2x2 2x3, 3x3, and 3x4 bucks as you suggest. Now wouldn't that be a great opportunity for kids and their families. However, a commensurate number of LE tags would also have to be reduced?a proposition that probably would not be too popular with the many folks who support the unit the way it is now.
 
so I guess in sw's eyes a 5 X 4 would be bad genetics & would need to be shot?
this sshit kills me.
2 X 1 = junk buck
3 X 2 = junk buck
4 X 3 = junk buck
but by gosh if the buck is a 5 X 4 or a 6 X 5 everything is peachy!
you guys ever think about letting the average age climbing up 2 more years from where it is now?
i do agree,there are some management bucks that need shot,lets start by shooting them october/november velvet bucks.

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-09 AT 04:28PM (MST)[p]VJ VJ where do I start with your ???

>so I guess in sw's eyes
>a 5 X 4 would
> be bad genetics &
>would need to be shot?

Where you come up with your responses? You must have a vivid imagination!

>
>this sshit kills me.

Do you need to spew profanities to get your point across?

>you guys ever think about letting
>the average age climbing up
>2 more years from where
>it is now?

If you know anything about management you would understand that you would be turning the books into a henery tag by doing that. Look at the average age of the bucks killed on the books last year it was around 3.5 years. so you telling me you want the books to have an average age of 5.5 years. The Henry mts is only managed for 4.5 age bucks.

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sw,

i'm just sayin,bump the age up 2 years,the bucks will be bigger on average,almost everybody would take a 26"+ buck & everybody would be happier,and remember,for you there'd still be some MOTL bucks if thars what you wanna shoot.
sorry,i misunderstood one of your earlier posts,you made it sound like your kids were hunting in the books this year,guess it was your friends?

VJ
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I have been saying they need to start a managment hunt out there for a couple years now. I think they should take half the tags they currently give out and make them managment buck tags "managment buck being the same defeniton as the one currently used by the DWR in the pauns and Henrys".

It might not weed out the bad genetics out there BUT it would allow a number of younger bucks that have better genetics that get killed every year to grow up and turn into better bucks.

As I see it right now there are a large number of small 4x4s that have good genetic potetial that get killed at a young age because alot of people would rather kill a 4x4 than a 3x4 even though the 3x4 is the same size or bigger.

Makeing sure that alot of the bucks that get killed every year are the bucks with poor genetics will allow many more bucks with better genetics to live a couple more years, and in a couple years you could really have some good bucks running around out there.

Also I think this hunt should take place in November, Because the deer are easyer to hunt, and it will be easyer to tell what bucks really have on top of there heads.

Also I spend alot of time out there every year looking at deer, picking up sheds and gathering fire wood, I rarely see bucks with broken points or find sheds with broken points out there, I dont think that this will be an issue on a managment hunt out there.


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>Also I think this hunt should
>take place in November, Because
>the deer are easyer to
>hunt, and it will be
>easyer to tell what bucks
>really have on top of
>there heads.


How much easier of a hunt do you want? You should be able to shoot a decent 4 point without ever getting off of your 4 wheeler. I guess "easier" would be to have a 30" buck walk up to your camp and knock on your trailer door at first light.

No offense to you, Jake H., but it doesn't get much easier of a hunt than the Books. True, you can hike and be selective and make it as hard as you want, but if you are in the market for a "easy" hunt, it is that and more.

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jake,
i'll disagree with you on a november hunt.
why would you want to pressure deer during the rut?
tell me some greedy azzholes wouldn't accidentally on purpose shoot some of the big bucks at that time of year?
how much more hunting pressure can our deer hers stand?
jesus!

VJ
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Yeah and maybe we can all cook smores and sing kumbaya after we kill our 40 inch monsters on opening day. After all everyone should be entitled to a Boone and Crockett type buck, Right?
 
I'm setting here in Kali reading this thread. We just finished our deer season. I saw one legal buck the entire season. Then I read about the Book Cliffs where several of you talk about seeing 30-40 bucks a day and hundreds over the course of the season. Now I guess you're upset because they weren't all 190 bucks?

If they were all 190 bucks I guess you would be upset because they weren't all 220 bucks?

If everybody got 190 bucks then a 190 buck would eventually be a pisscutter?

I would be very proud to take any of those bucks in post #29 or post#42.

Be thankful you don't live in Kali "the screw me" State.:)

Eel

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>tell me some greedy azzholes wouldn't
>accidentally on purpose shoot some
>of the big bucks at
>that time of year?


Wouldn't that be the point? To shoot a big buck? Just say'n


>jesus!

And no need be getting all spiritual on us!

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my brotha eel,
this is the "already screwed me state"
but the dwr's thinking is:lets see if we can screw em harder!

VJ
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so far in tardville the management hunts that have been tried by the udwr have failed!
so we got people wanting more failures?

VJ
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+1 Eelgrass. No one will ever be satisfied. People acutally pass up 380 class bulls here in Utah when 10 years ago they would have gave the left arm for one. People don't want to hunt they just want to kill.
 
broadside is right.
mark my fricken word on this one.
if the udwr continues piss poor le elk management as introduced this year the '320' bull will once again be a girant bull very soon.
place your wagers now,i need to earn some extra cash.


VJ
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one more thing,
where is YoungCountry?
he's stirrs this crap up & just sits back & laughs his azz off!
VJ
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Yeah Velvet, the management hunts have failed? We haven't even had a management deer hunt yet, so I guess that remains to be seen.

Good thing they got rid of the management elk hunts, it was said that too many guys were shooting young bulls with potential on the management tags. Now thanks to the guys that whined about management bull hunters shooting young bulls we have statewide spike hunting where nobody burns their bonus points, the DWR doesn't control spike hunter distribution, and they kill young bulls with potential (aka spikes) on every LE elk unit in the state (I am being sarcastic).

The original intent of the management bull hunts was to get the bull to cow ratios under control on the LE units while maintaining trophy quality, not to manage genetics. In my opinion management bull tags were great as they burned up elk bonus points and could be totally controlled as far as how many tags on each individual unit. I would much prefer increased management bull tags vs. statewide spike hunting. Just my personal opinion.

Dax
 
this is the part that most 'thick headed tards' don't understand:
not every hunter in utah can hunt trophy animals/deer/elk every year,get it through you thick heads!
sure the udwr can issue un-limited tags & reap the benefits,is that gonna fix the herds though?
then we got people like sw referring clear back to the 90's on the deer herd,well i'm referring back to deer herds of the 60's & very early 70's!
some people like sw just ain't been born long enough!

VJ
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Highcontryfever, I am talking about the managment hunt being in november (if they had one) not the hunt you just went on, that way it would be easyer to tell if a buck was a 3x4 or something else.

Also all the managment deer should have to be checked into an Officer within 2 days of the kill, this would curb some of the Dumb A's shooting the wrong deer on purpose.

It should be at a different time than the reagular hunt out there that way you wont have anyone sliping by any check stations with non managment bucks.

And a 7 day hunt would not be interfering with the rut very much out there, those deer go from the end of Oct. to the end of Dec. and have people out there looking at them the whole time.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-09 AT 09:35AM (MST)[p]all this time I thought I was taking it easy on a teenager. It looks like its the opposite. So VJ does your nurse know where you are? Senility is hard on older deer hunters! lol

that was a joke!


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Dax- I enjoy every post you make on this site. Very well put!

I put management tags for the Books on the table in the Mule Deer Committee. It was then decided to try it on the Premium units first. If it works well on those units then I could see it becoming a tool on other units as well. It would be nice to save some of those 2 year old 20" 4x4s out there which are getting shot while the 5 year old 3x3 walks.

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answer the few questions sw?
i remember the last of the "good days" it twas 1972.
i remember what this state was once capable of producing when it came to big bucks.
so tell me sw?
in 35 years with all the rediculous things the dwr has tried why is it none of them have brought the deer herds back?
and yes i am talking about big bucks.
i guess in my eyes a big buck = a large antlered deer.
i guess in the udwr eyes big bucks = $$$ cha-ching!

VJ
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-09 AT 04:40PM (MST)[p]>answer the few questions sw?
>i remember the last of the
>"good days" it twas 1972.

back in the good old you are talking about you could poison coyotes with ddt or what ever it was called. Now you cant

Back in the good old days you speak of you didnt have elk competing with our deer. One thing I know for certain is when I see lots of elk I see low numbers of deer.

Back in the good old days before 1972 people could care less about horns. Most hunters hunted for meat. Most hunters weren't so dedicated to digging out the larger bucks. Most hunters didn't know what score even was. Most hunters from that era through the horns in the trash.

Back in the good old days you didn't have these gay Le units restricting hunters in some areas the forcing the rest to hunt smaller areas. Hunters could spread out more.

Back in the days you speak of you didn't have the rangefinders, 1000 yard guns, 100 yard bows and 300 yard muzzy.

Back in the day you didn't have wheeler trails all over the hills. You also had to ride you daddies big red back breaker three wheeler instead of the side by side mountain ripping machines we have now days

I could go on and on but who cares!



>i remember what this state was
>once capable of producing when
>it came to big bucks.

So why don't you post up some of your big old bucks from the good old days with your big ol smiles in them. Show me the good old days.

>so tell me sw?
>in 35 years with all the
>rediculous things the dwr has
>tried why is it none
>of them have brought the
>deer herds back?
>and yes i am talking about
>big bucks.

Don't know what you are even talking about on poor quality or lack of big bucks. The state record typical buck has been broken at least 5 times in just the last couple of years. the state recored non typical archry buck which stood for probably 50 years has been broke with an over the counter tag. I could also go on and on with this subject but who cares!

In the end VJ I think you are stuck in the good old days where you could shoot a 40" out your car window. You are looking for excuses why you cant kill a big buck now days. Times change and hunting styles change. If you don't adapt you go away just like the dinosaurs.

I'm done with making excuses. I'm done with blaming other people for my lack of success... you see lemons I make lemonade.


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Darn you, ya young whippersnapper! There you go, all talking sense and such! Excuse me while I ask the nurse to change my Depends so I can keep looking out the window with my fixed 4X scope.

Velvet Jones

P.S. Do you got any prunes I can gum while I dream about all of those 40"'s from 1972.
 
you're right on some of it sw but very blind on some of it.

"Back in the good old days before 1972 people could care less about horns. Most hunters hunted for meat."

i remember alot of guys that would'of liked winning the big buck prizes such as a jeep,some tried very hard & did their best!!!
if it wasn't for le units dipchit there wouldn't be any quality hunts left in this state,note:(think before opening mouth)
your lemonade might taste like yellow snow!


VJ
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Your right Mr. Negativity I can tell by your avatar that that your a genius. I will just keep on killing your big bucks one arrow at a time.

Don't hate the player hate the game.

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yup,
just keep arrowing them big bucks!
don't eat yellow snow sw,you keep thinking it's lemonade.

VJ
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>yup,
>just keep arrowing them big bucks!
>
>don't eat yellow snow sw,you keep
>thinking it's lemonade.
>
>VJ
>
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You sound like a grownup. Killer reply. SW is leaps and bounds ahead of you in every category of hunting. You're arguing with the wrong person bud.

I tend to favor yellow snow, tastes like coolaid.
 
you're right jake,
sw arrows monster trophy bucks every year & keeps eating yellow snow.

VJ
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sw

"Don't know what you are even talking about on poor quality or lack of big bucks. The state record typical buck has been broken at least 5 times in just the last couple of years. the state recored non typical archry buck which stood for probably 50 years has been broke with an over the counter tag. I could also go on and on with this subject but who cares!"

The state record typical has not been broken 5 times. The current state record was killed in san juan in 1972 by a guy from Texas...his name escapes me but the buck scored 212 net.

Mike
 
cabinfever,

if you didn't know, sw is a big archery guy. he's probably referring to the archery records-just a guess?? i'm sure he could clear it up.
 
>sw
>
>"Don't know what you are even
>talking about on poor quality
>or lack of big bucks.
>The state record typical buck
>has been broken at least
>5 times in just the
>last couple of years. the
>state recored non typical archry
>buck which stood for probably
>50 years has been broke
>with an over the counter
>tag. I could also go
>on and on with this
>subject but who cares!"
>
>The state record typical has not
>been broken 5 times. The
>current state record was killed
>in san juan in 1972
>by a guy from Texas...his
>name escapes me but the
>buck scored 212 net.
>
>Mike

He is throwing around the SCI scoring system.
 
I was refering to the archery records.
All these archry bucks are over 200. I personaly dont follow the B&C bucks like I do the P&Y bucks. One thing I know is quite a few of them were taken with general tags you can hunt every year.

What difference does it make what weapon you kill these bucks with anyway. The point was they were still tankes.

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