i have been thinking for a while now

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oz31p

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often i see online and on tv. pics and video of hunters with propped up head photos and a good story of how the final moments when down. my concern begins with the 10 mile hike into a remote area(read beautiful land)then a pic of a head with antlers strapped to a pack. with no mention of the 10 miles back out and no picks of a quartered animal strapped to any ones pack. well what happened to the usefully part the the harvested animal. has every one become so obsessed with spread, total inches and points you kill an animal, cut its head and cape and walk away??
 
I personaly could care less to see the hind quarters getting packed out but thats just me, I will try to get a pic of that next time and share with you in the mean time I am sure somebody on here can accomodate you with a pic of that. The shows I watch always shows a quarter sticking out of somebodys pack.
 
Heads and antlers are what people want to see. You are right though you don't see any meat being packed. Magazines, t.v. internet all of these only show the so called glory part of hunting. As hunters we probably know the meat has already been taken care of. The hunting part is more fun than the packing part anyway.
 
i agree with you deuce, and i appreciate the story and a good photo when told right i fell like i was along for the ride on the hunt. but if i packed out and animal at the distances of hikes i ve read it would have made its way into the story. maby im wrong and no one has ever left the entire body minus the head behind. but i have a feeling it happens all to often. its sad people hunt just to show there friend the antlers. and illegal in az.
 
If I have a 10 mile pack out, or 5 or 3 etc, etc I don't pack out quarters, I bone it out and all that meat is hidden inside of my pack. Then the only thing visible is the antlers because they are obviously too large to fit in the pack.

Not trying to be a jerk here, but it seems like a silly post. I wouldn't expect to see a couple back straps hanging from the side of a pack, or a guy with a large spread of roasts, steaks and ground meat laid out in front of him and him standing proudly behind it with a big grin. I see in those photos exactly what I would expect to see....a proud hunter with his trophy.
 
I must admit that I am obsessed with antlers. I'd rather see the antlers any day over seeing a hind quarter or backstrap. But if someone wants to post a picture of the meat I'll be glad to look at it. My pack has an internal pack frame and the meat goes on the inside of the pack where you cannot see it. Hence, no meat pictures. But maybe in the future I will try to take pictures of the meat. fatrooster.
 
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Sorry about the antlers, I did not have time to paint over them. Heres the best I could do. I will try to lay the meat out next time. LOL.
 
Holy Smokes!
That is an awesome set of roasts there Bloodtracker!
Those loins look pretty sweet too!
Congrats!
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"Yeah, I'll shoot him"
 
Oz, Those people you refer to are called, or as good as, poachers. There may be other websites that cater to that kind of unsportsman like conduct but it is highly looked down upon around here. Almost to the last person, those here that contribute to this site, will either use every last piece of meat or see that it gets to someone in need that will much appreciate it.

Me thinks that you are barking up the wrong tree!

Joey
 
if by tree you mean mm, i disagree. i have not accused anyone here of doing it. within this large of a hunting group i would have thought someone else would have noticed the same thing. next time ill wear my flame retardant suit. i guess i was wrong, no one any where has ever done this. forget i brought it up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-09 AT 11:55PM (MST)[p]Oz, Not saying that it hasn't been done...just not by guys that like to promote hunting, discuss, debate, and try to educate others in our sport. We share info, advice, and yes, post the results of our labors.

You will find that the extreme large majority of hunters are very aware of how one is looked upon by his peers if he were to abandon a carcass or poach a animal for ANY reason. Not only is it frowned upon, it is illegal to do so and most everone here calls for stiff penalties and jail time if or when caught.

Welcome to MM!! Do you have any hunts to share with us? I believe that you will find more enjoyment and learn more in joining in rather that trying to dig up dirt.

Joey
 
For whatever it's worth Ozman, when I hunt the high country with backpack miles from the nearest road, I always make it a point to take a couple of photos of the carcass of the animal I kill. Not to show it off to my peers, but for proof that I took the meat from it's bones and packed it out.

You never know when you may have to prove to someone that you in fact made use of it. I've never in my life seen a carcass left in the woods with the head cut off and the meat left to rot by a backcountry hunter. Maybe I just don't get around the mountains much, but I have sure seen plenty of guys lugging meat and antlers out.

In fact, I just hunted Nevada this year and watched a guy kill a deer way up on the side of a mountain that lies within a wilderness area. The guy and his buddy caped the deer, boned the meat out and packed every bit of it to their truck, which happened to be parked right next to mine. I watched the whole deal. They could have left it, but they dang sure didn't, and they didn't know anyone was watching either. Both guys were non residents of Nevada. Also watched several Nevada guys in the same area kill and pack out bucks on their backs. One of the guys cut the deer in half and him and his buddy each packed half out. All the deer were in over two miles, and some as much as 4 miles. We got one too, and took every bit of it out, except the bones.

Welcome to Monster Muleys. Hope you enjoy this site. I do.

DeerBeDead
 
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Sorry, it took so long, here is one of the T-Bone steaks I got off my elk this year. Again, sorry for the antlers in the above picture.
 
I think this type of thing may happen from time to time, it is not a rampant problem. The reason you do not see them packing meat on TV shows is that is valuable air time where they could be selling a product or self promoting a book or gear etc. What people want to see is kill shots and horns/antlers. The bigger the better.

I spend a ton of time in the mountains each fall. I have never found an animal that was obviously wasted by a hunter. I have found a few that were poached and a some that were wounded and not recovered but by and large, the most I ever see is a gut pile or a boned out carcass. I believe most sportsman are good honest people that do the right thing.
 
Okay, here is me packing out my 2008 Coues. Because of the length of the hike back, we deboned it. The entire deer is in or on my pack. Just so happens, you do not get to see much of the deer except the anterlers.

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It is all there, just do not see the meat.
 
This is the wrong web site to post pictures of my meat on....ooops I guess I should of read a little closer - sorry, my bad.
 
Another thing you have to understand about what you see on TV and in videos is the content they can show. I know, for a fact, you can't show any part of the processing of the animal on TV (gutting, quartering, caping, etc...). Not that any of us would be put off by that it's just they have to follow the rules set by the FCC. I imagine a bloody quarter sticking out of a pack falls under those guidelines.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm sure it does more then we think. But I think that most people aren't into seeing boned out meat or quarters sticking out of packs. Any true hunter would never intentionally leave meat on the mountain. Not to mention it is illegal to leave the meat on the mountain - Want and Waste of Game.

Also like everyone else before me said, "Just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there." I've attached a couple photos from a successful hunt that I was on a couple years ago. My buddy shot a very nice buck several miles from the truck in some very steep country. Now in the photos you can't see any meat because we buy packs that can accommodate full quarters. The pack with the buck on it has both front shoulders w/bones, the other two packs (the other person in the photo and mine, I'm taking the pic) each had a rear quarter w/bones, back straps, neck meat, loins, and the other scraps. As you can tell they are very excited about the outcome of the hunt.

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Some on these forums are a bit sensitive and can tend to take things personal when they are not. Sarcasm can get laid on a bit thick too, but all in all--representative of hunters in general--overall its a really good lot.

I agree that it is not a wide spread problem, but there are a few hunters who leave a bit too much meat behind. I expect most are ethical and pack all edible portions out. In print and on DVDs, TV show's, etc... there is limited time/space and what is shown is what the majority want to see. I like to see pics from the whole hunt. Scenery, camp, downed animal, processing, packing, etc... That being said, once I have an animal down I take a couple of snap shots and that is usually the end of it. Once I start field dressing, I don't want to mess with the camera. By the time I get an animal boned out and the pack loaded, I'm ready to hit the trail. If someone is with me, which is rare, I suppose I could have them snap an antlers on the pack shot, but wouldn't consider tripoding the camera and doing it myself. I appreciate the guys who do. We've some some nice pics on here that incorporate a real part of the hunt.
 
mmwb YES very sensitive and defensive when nothing i say was aimed at any one on here. i have have never seen any thing except obvious lion kills, gut piles, or a boned out carcass through out my travels.i mistakenly thought this was a discussion board for hunting related topics. my mistake.
 
Me I like the pictures of the Smiling heads.LOL


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
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All meat looks the same doesnt it. i know what everyones game meat looks like. But antlers, those come in all different shapes, sizes, mass, cheaters, droppers, inlines, stag bucks and on and on and on. you dont have to show me the meat, i know what that looks like and i even get flash backs of how heavy it is on my back. id rather not have those!

Its not disrespectful if that is what point your trying to get across. most people just want to see the antlers.

you wouldnt order playboy and expect to see fat ugly chicks would you. that is because most people will have flash backs! lol ....good analagy huh?

Travis
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its not that i want to see pictures of meat. its that im tried of seeing pictures of caped heads with obviously disregarded bodys. i see other picture of a caped head strapped to a pack large enough to be packed full of meat, the perfect situation and heavy as all hell i feel for the hauler. but there are some that are on packs large enough to have a boned out cotton tail in them i know the rest of the animal was disregarded. i cant put it any simpler than that. though this post will be misunderstood as well im sure.
 
Ever think the other guys are packing some as well. I usually help, I dont alway make my friends pack the whole thing out by themselves....in one trip.

Is that ethical?
 
i have considered it. but i have some very good friends i have known my whole life who would and have helped me pack out elk and deer. there is no way they would load up a full pack while i only carry the the trophy. that could be the case is some of the pictures i have seen. and multiple trips.
 
Oz
I have often thought the same thing then I remeber that most of the shows I see there is a guide doing the "grunt" work and the star of the show packing the horns ( for the photo ops).
No I don't see that you were acussing any of the "PRO'S" of the MM's club. But on this site all I can say is if you don't (watch what happens here) have atleast 1000 post's you will have 50 post's following your pictures or questions you may show or ask telling you that your wrong and that no member of this site does any illeagal or unethical acts.....?????

I enjoy getting on here and seeing horn porn but what's even better is the way people react to posts. And the answer to your question above is yes everyone is into the # game if they weren't you would see more pictures of the doe tag's or cow tags that were filled this year and years past. Just thought I would help you out and I would stir the pot just a little more...
 
This is a "Trophy Hunting" website? Hello!!! It's not called MonsterMuleys because of how much meat you get from an outsized animal.

I adore and appreciate each and every steak or pack of burger i get from my taken animals but i come "here" for the "horn porn" and the tales of great hunts.

Joey
 
i see. so the next step is to through and put a 1 liner on every post it see until i get to 1000 posts. that way i can have a reasonable discussion.

i agree with you sage, i think the trophy pictures and the story's have drawn us all here. some of the biggest bucks&bull i have ever seen were on here. plus i dont know what some of you all do for a living but there are some on here that should be writers. some storys are writen out in a way that i begin to forget that im at my pc and feel like i was there. i write poorly, it comes out like i would say out loud.

is there an approved list of topics that are ok for discussion? if so could some please forward it to me thx.
 
Oz, seems that this has been a discussion, the post count has been climbing and it has been a pause for thought. Maybe not all what you wanted to hear but coming on here with your first post and looking for what, guys to tell you that trophy hunters leave the meat behind and only pack out their trophys... that's not going to happen because it's just not true.

As i mentioned above, those that do do something like that are more outlaw and poacher class guys, not the sort to come on here and contribute in a positive manner. If i catch someone doing something like that, leaving the meat, i'll turn them in. Most all of us would!

Joey
 
Oz,I think all of us come here for the same kinds things,we all want to see the animals,hear the story's of others hunts,possibly meet new people with the same interests as yourself. Try and lighten up a little bit. I have not been lucky or good enough yet to kill a 30 inch buck but you can be sure that I will enjoy some venison as I did tonight. Enjoy the pics and story's try not to read to much into them.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-09 AT 10:20PM (MST)[p]>Oz
>
>I have often thought the
>same thing then I remeber
>that most of the shows
>I see there is a
>guide doing the "grunt" work
>and the star of the
>show packing the horns (
>for the photo ops).
>No I don't see that you
>were acussing any of the
>"PRO'S" of the MM's club.
>But on this site all
>I can say is if
>you don't (watch what happens
>here) have atleast 1000 post's
>you will have 50 post's
>following your pictures or questions
>you may show or ask
>telling you that your wrong
>and that no member of
>this site does any illeagal
>or unethical acts.....?????
>
> I enjoy
>getting on here and seeing
>horn porn but what's even
>better is the way people
>react to posts. And the
>answer to your question above
>is yes everyone is into
>the # game if they
>weren't you would see more
>pictures of the doe tag's
>or cow tags that were
>filled this year and years
>past. Just thought I would
>help you out and I
>would stir the pot just
>a little more...
you hit that nail on the head!

edited my post, because- believe it or not, sageadvise is somewhat correct. those type of alligations wont fly on this board! mostly honest and ethical guys here.

but on the '
you dont matter untill "1000" posts?? yep, that will be this sites downfall!
 
honestly i thought we would talk about how despicable the practice is. i would love to catch some one walking away from a downed animal. heck im still spending the reward money for the last poacher i turned it.
 
Is it me or does it seem like people are looking for more and more to complain about? Really? This is silly. I'm thinking everybody here appreciates every shred of meat they get, they just aren't going to post a pic of it. Maybe i will cook up an elk steak and take a picture of the aftermath of it stuck in my teeth...
 
deuce
shoot a 30in buck, i'd wet my self to see a 30in er. hell i was calling coyotes a few weeks ago right at sunrise i thought i had a double coming it. after looking throught the binos it was 3 huge low desert bucks( the water hole is only 1234ft above sea level) one was very wide but all three were the tallest ive seen. i watched them from 300-1000 yards as the slowly walked from the water back to the foothills it took them about 30mins. the whole time i could have had every coyote in the state standing broadside from 50-150 yards and i would have never seen them. what im getting at is i dont think the widest of them was close to 30. short story long i just got back from putting my trail cam on the water hole to see if they made it through the general rifle season. so i can make a plan for the jan archery season.



"mm mafia" ha ha thats good.
 
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Here is some carcass photos... Not so great to see a blood stained white sack. They aren't too photo worthy.
Non-the-less I believe most hunters I know have 5-10 guys they can call on a moments notice and others will rally and come to the haul out party.

You can take it from me as one of your stats. I have had to make an extra trip to go back and pull the rest of the animal off the hill.

My first backcountry trip was in the Crestone Wilderness of Colorado. 23 years ago. 6 miles back in. We hiked our butts of. coming back off the hill with two deer. When you pop off remarks that you don't think people pack it out... you need to think about what you type. Otherwise people here will do it for you. And it won't be very nice most of the time.


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FACT; packed out both bulls. But most of our photos were of the antlers. A big slab of meat doesn't interest me at all until I go to the processor.

Don't you agree the antler photos are much better. We had guys to pack out the cap and quarters, leaving the hunter to take his bull out alone with the head. That is pretty dang heavy.


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2 hour pack out with some good looking help!
 
i know exactly what im typing and every one here is free to misinterpret it they see fit. yes the photos of the hunter and his prize are much better to see. again im not asking for any one to show there meat photos. merely having a discution on how wrong it is that it happens. IM NOT IMPLYING THERE IS ANYONE HERE THAT DOES IT.EVERY ONE CAN STOP DEFENDING THEM SELFS. every post after my first has agreed that it is unacceptable. was it wrong to bring it up??


Midnight2; the elk in your photo is ginormus.
 
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This is a pic of a T-Bone I pulled out this year. It looked so good, I grilled it on the spot.
 

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