$250,000 for a deer Lets see why...

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I can understand why someone would say no deer is worth 250K!
But I think and I could be wrong but I am sure that if all he was getting was a deer for 250K he would never spend that kind of money.

There is other things that are involved in the purchase of these tags.

1. These people have lots of money 250K to them is like 20K for the most people, Ya a lot of money but would some of you pay $20K for a deer like this and everything that comes with it...

2. With lots of money you need to make write offs so that you are not killed by taxes at the end of the year.. (And I am glad they spend it on these tags.)

3. If you are a hunter you know that there is a lot more to killing a monster buck then just killing a monster buck. The times in the field with family and freinds and even making new freinds and seeing new things. (Ya I know there are those that say well these guys are not out there hunting these deer the guides are and then some rich SOB comes in and shoots it.. I do not think that is the case Atleast not in all these hunts.)

4. I see people that will donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to P.E.T.A or other groups and there heros in there circles. I think that these hunters that purchase these tags should be treated the same as heros for hunters and wildlife. I am sure they can find lots of places to put there money other then in Hunting and get a BIG pat on the back but they do it here and a lot of people put them down.. This needs to stop.


5. I am like most I am very jealous that these guys can afford to purchase these tags and hunt from Sept to the end of Dec, But by doing this I do have a chance at a tag that is the same with the sportsmans tag, that is how it works they get one to auction we get one to raffle ya the odds suck but I bett there are a few people in the next few days that will be going crazy when they draw those tags and are very glad they put in for them.

So lets try and treat these people as heros to the sporting community and not put them down for spending there large $ for hunting and wildlife. It is not for everyone but I am glad there here to put the money in the sporstmans corner god knows in these days we need all the help we can get...

So Thanks to all those that have purchase these tags..

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I have not gotten real far into your post. Overall I probably agree.

I will take issue with point 1. I would say 250K is probably more like $2000 or maybe even $200 for the average guy (relatively speaking).

Point two is also kind of lame. The tax write off is a nice byproduct for the individual buying the tag...but, no one buys those tags purely for the tax write off. Give me a dollar and I will give you 35 cents back...sound good?

Generally speaking - I agree, I am glad those rich dudes are ponying up big cash for the tags. If I hit it big somehow I would do the same, only hunt the tag on my own - like it was an otc tag. That would be cool....
 
I'm not putting anyone down. I just think its retarded to spend that much on a deer hunt (Even if I had it). I would rather buy a house than a 220" buck. I think you are using the word "hero" a little too heavy though. I agree with the above post though. If i did have the tag I damn sure wouldn't hire mossback. I would do it myself. much more gratifying.
 
No disrespect to Doyle as an individual, for all I know he could be a really nice guy... but I just don't see what is "hunting" or "sporting" about it. I personally have not harvested a lot of animals in my few years of hunting, and by no means am i an expert on the subject, but don't you guys think that half of the fun is hiking around, finding what you consider a trophy, keeping tabs on him, and harvesting him with friends and family around? I think even if i had the money to spend on a trophy of that caliber, i wouldn't do it. I would surely invest in the best gear to help me find and harvest a trophy, but i would personally want to do all the work. I think that this has become a damn competition. Its not about the sport of hunting, or enjoying being in the woods anymore, its about who can shoot the biggest animal with disregard for what it will cost. i know a lot of you fellow MM members would agree with me that a "trophy" is in the eye of the beholder. Any back country animal taken with a bow is a trophy to me. I don't want to start a verbal war in here, i just wanted to post my opinion and see if i am totally off my rocker for feeling this way.
 
Read a little further - yeah, hero is a little strong. And I am not jealous, maybe a little envious. Sure would like those tags but am comfortable in my own hunting boots.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-09 AT 00:46AM (MST)[p]look at the money Oprah gives to PETA and that would make the 250K look like nothing. and in 2005 there was over $25million donations from the public to PETA. And if the fact is that these peoples 250K is like are $2000 or $200 can you blame them. And yes the donations is a BIG part of the Tax right offs more so then I think most understand.. maybe Heros is not the right way to say it but I am sure glad there on are side..
 
If you have a way to write off a hunt for yourself I'd love to hear it. I have heard of creative accounting but there's no way that point is valid.
 
I agree with monstermuleyman a trophy is in the eye of the beholder. $250.000 for a deer just seems crazy but,I am glad they do it.
 
Totally cool to have some fundraiser tags. Good it done with the money, and everything. We all have different perspectives on personal goals, as long as it's all legal and wildlife management is sound, cool.


But don't you think UT goes a bit overboard on the fundraiser tags? Fewer tags would mean higher price per tag and less lost opportunity for the average Joe left to just trying to draw a tag...
 
UThunting
Thanks and I agee. I'm glad these guys are on our side. I can't say they've ever taken anything away from me, and because of them, I at least have a chance at a Governers tag in several states.

Doyle is also showing what it takes to kill a world class animal on purpose year after year: lot's of hired scouts! Agree or disagree, he's gettin' 'er done year after year. I can't blame him for that and it's actually quite entertaining to follow. Lot's of DIY guys on the premium tags have a lot of friends scouting for them, too.

The Christian
 
Pretty good points and i'm glad that the money goes back to wildlife--that's great!

Heros???? When these guys (and maybe some of them do this) start taking disabled hunters on these types of hunt and bust their butts just as hard as for the million dollars dudes, then and maybe then we can call them heros.

Our soldiers are heros; law enforcement, firemen, people who go out of their way and put their selfs and safety second are heros. Not guides and high priced hunters!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-09 AT 09:51AM (MST)[p]great post! yeah hero's a little strong but your right uth! and yes these hunts can be tax deductions, I know a guy that purchased the az gov tag years back, took a "client" on the hunt and hung the head in his office. he wrote the whole cost of the hunt off! as a guide I write off everything from shoe laces to rifles every year! so why not a hunt? and to all you do it yourself do gooders, maybe if you guys spent more time working instead of scouting you might become wealthy enough to buy a gov tag!? but then you'd need a guide wouldn't you? lmao
 
I agree with monstermuleyman, it has become a competition. The guy with the money gets the biggest trophy. My son's trophy is his 165 mule deer he shot when he had cancer. The great people at "Hunt of a Life Time", an orginization that takes kids with life threating illnesses hunting or fishing anywhere in the world. They are my heros. If you want to make a difference, take a kid hunting or fishing. To see some great trophys go to huntofalifetime.org and see the big smiles on the kids faces.
my soap of the day.
 
lets not confuse PETA donation money to anything that is ran by the state. If I am accurate in my thoughts here, I will try and explain what I have been schooled on.

The state (Utah in this case) lays out its yearly budget for everything, and it relys on a certain amount of revenue for hunting, and with that expected revenue, they create a budget. For simple numbers lets say they plan to budget 1 million dollars to the wildlife/hunting (based on the previous years license sales etc.). so keep in mind they are setting aside 1 million dollars for this cause right. Well just because someone pays 250k for one tag does not mean that the budget goes from 1m to 1,250m all it means is they can take 250k from our lisence purchases etc. and spend it somewhere else (roads etc.). So if I am correct, then I am not on board with anyone taking a tag from the general everyday hunter. I think the state has done a tremendous job training all of us that taking tags from the general draw and selling them for ridiculous amounts of money is helping the hunting in Utah. It is probably helping our roads, and other projects, but not hunting.

Please correct me if I am offbase.

As far as my first statement about PETA, peta is a private organization just like SFW is, SFW helps wildlife, and all of the procedes go to this cause, PETA does the same on anit-hunting. State ran vs. private ran are VERY different.
 
I wonder how much extra it costs to have a team of guides carry a goat up to the top of the highest peak for a postmortem photo shoot.
I'm glad the governor's tag sales for 250 g's. The tag is going to be auctioned off regardless of what price they get. I'm glad $250,000 is going to consvervation, rather than somebody hunting the whole season for $25,000.
 
I have never had a problem with these guys and their hunting tatics. If I had the money Id do it the same way!

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hey bldrbuck go to mossback.com then to photo gallery then to mossback foundations the kid in the botton pic was packed on peoples backs tryin to kill him a buck
 
Dudes are just jealous, if you had millions you would be doing the same damn thing, to say you wouldnt you are just bull chitting yourself!!!!!
 
There are different styles of doing things with any sport or hobby. I doubt that 250K is pocket change for a lot of these guys that buy these tags. It has everything to do with fueling an ego. You don't get rich or stay rich by buying 250K tags all the time. I have an Uncle that has this type of "style" for hunting. He can't relate to myself or anyone else in the family when it comes to hunting. He thinks we are crazy to spend so much time and energy in the hills scouting and hunting. He is not willing to put in the time or energy, but does have the $$$ to pay someone to do that for him. I can't speak for everyone who buys these tags but strongly feel that alot of them don't comprehend how special it is to take such a trophy animal. Two years ago this Uncle of mine took his son and two son-in-laws to Quebec to hunt Rocky Mountain Elk. He spent around 100K and they each took bulls 360-400 (his being the biggest of coarse) because that is the class of bulls he paid for. His two son-in-laws had never even hunted before! After hearing them talk about the hunt and looking at their photos it made me sick to my stomach. They had no idea what they were able to do in killing such bulls. Four beautiful bulls all loaded up in a bucket of a front end loader! Where is the sportsmanship if you can't even help take care of what you just killed? It is because there isn't much sportsmanship at all. It's just about an ego and so they can go back to their everyday life and show pictures and tell stories to friends. They were stunned when I told them how guys I know have been waiting 15+ years at a chance to hunt elk in Utah.
I'm not opposed at all to governor tags bringing in such big money, I just can't get behind the whole look at this great trophy that so-n-so shot because chances are they pulled the trigger and not much more. So good job to the guides that busted their butts!
 
Tinehunter...
It makes me very happy to hear that an organization like that did something special for your son. I am proud of him for not only living life to the fullest when circumstances seem to pull you down, but for getting a great deer! A 165 buck is a trophy in A LOT of our books! Congrats...
 
No matter who the buyer is, I feel the $250k would serve a much better purpose in feeding hungry folks, homeless, etc than on a deer hunt. Just my opinion, but our priorities are way out of whack these days, and you won't find a bigger mule deer fanatic than me.
 
Yes those guys are what makes a lot of habitat projects, UT has had a large number of $$$ come in that has funded habitat that has started to produce numbers and quality. Wish NM would get some of these guys interested. All we seem to get is 50K for NM deer tag.

These guys also show the goverment that hunting traditions run deep in the west. Cause the politiians see the money! and where there is money politians are close by.

So promotion of the tradition, promotion of healty habitiat, promotion of everything that we love far outwieghs the few trophys that these guys take from the herds. Yes they are heros and true conservationist.
 
Hero's? Really? I mean, really???

A 'hero' would just donate the money the RMEF, MDF, etc...

...without the bonus write-offs, trophy winter range kill, additional 'posse' expenses, and accompanying idolism and fame from the minions.

I just threw up in the back of my mouth a little bit...
 
Well if not heros then what.. Are these people really what I read on other post. Ya guess Heros are a little strong maybe we should call them "legal poachers" or "shooters" as that is what I read in other posts about these people that pay the big money for these tags.. I am sure that if this money was donated to other org they would be very much considered heros and I bett that they do donate to other things and they dont get accused of the crap I see them get accused of on here... And yes these tags can be tax deducted.. I would bett that 99 out of 100 people that love hunting would purchase these tags if money was not a object..

All I am trying to say is we need these people on are side And we should give them some respect as I will promise this there money is making your hunting better are herds stronger and hunting a sport that most of us can afford...
 
Heros? Really?

If some of you need a refresher on what a hero is go to www.cmohs.org

It's the website for the Congressional Medal of Honor Society. It should be crystal clear what a hero actually is. Not just mis-used hyperbole.

The auction tags aren't bathing in altruism. Simply just paying for a priviledge and the money goes to a good cause.
 
OK I agree Hero is to strong and in todays times there are few times this word can or should be used.

But I do think they deserve more then what they been getting look at the record bull that was killed just a little over a year ago. He was accused of everything right down to shooting a planted pen raised bull. Is this what they deserve??

Yes the word Hero was used as a hyperbole word and it did get the strong feelings of people in this post but I must agree with the times of today it was a bad word to pick.
 
Its all fine, I just hope it doesn't some day get too far out of hand, there is only so much habitat to support the big trophys we all dream about. The pace of technology, and ability to take game are far outstripping even the best trophy game managment strategies. In Nevada a newly opened California sheep area was known to hold a huge ram, the piw holder or the guy who drew didn,t even get chance, the governers tag holder got him before the others could even hunt, I guess thats alright, but it does make me wonder sometimes.
 
+1 Buckspy. He nailed it.

Pruney
Guns kill people? That's like saying a spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat
 
Although BUCKSPY is right on in the term "true hero". I think what was said was "hero to the sporting community"
There are four new big horn sheep units opening in Utah this year. This is due to sheep transplants into areas where sheep have been gone for a hundred years or more. Most all of the transplant money comes from conservation permits.
I think all that was being said in the original post is that the money from these permits goes to wildlife. Which in turn benifits all of us who are sporstmen and women. And instead of complaing about them and putting them down maybe they should be thanked for giving so much to Ut. wild life. The money spent on transplants, reseeds, trick tanks and guzzlers increases wildlife, which in turn allows for more tags for you and me! Look at the huge increase in the turkey population in Ut. over the past few years. If you think the DWR is responsible you are mistaken. There again mostly funded by Conservation permits.
Its not about privledged fat cats and high end guides. Its about generating the money needed to do great things for Utah's wildlife which benefits all of us.


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A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

Sure... the Hunter pays $250,000.00 LESS in taxes while the rest of us Smucks pay OUR taxes and watch as OUR taxes get raised because Mr. Warbucks get's out of his fair share... WE have to make up the difference.

If a Hunter WANTS to help... and pay for the tag... Fine but it shouldn't be tax deductable... FOR GODS SAKE.. my tags are not Deductible.


Destiny
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

Its not quite like that, I believe they dont pay income taxes on that money is all. People that have hunting businesses, like Eastmans and the Carters probably write off all their hunting adventures, I find that a lot more objectionable.
 
Grey's River, love that country by the way, the money from the Conservation Permit (auction permits) program goes over and above the normal state DWR Budget.

So using your example, there would be $1.25 m for wildlfie. the other funds aren't reduced or diverted to roads, etc.

Another interesting fact is the Utah Legislature used to only put $200,000 a year from SAles tax money into wildlife.

As many posts have said, these conservatoin permit funds - new money that "goes on teh ground" have helped increase elk herds, sheep herds, turkey flocks, mountain goat herds, bison herds, new antelope herds, new sheep herds, fix 500,000 acres of deer habitat, etc, right now teh DWR is collaring doe deer to find out survival rates and what is teh cause of mortality so that can be addressed, etc.

and further more, when the Utah legislature saw that sportsmen were willing to come up with creative, new sources of funding to grow our herds and flocks, they have INCREASED the sales tax money going into Hunting and fishing to $6.5 MILLION a year, plus invested tens of millions more to build underpasses for deer and elk crossings, fence highways, $500,000 a year for coyote control, etc.
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

I shot a deer very close to that cal. this year on public land D.I.Y all it took was hard work and dedication to the sport. You can see this deer on the photo gallery page under Ryans Idaho 9+11 hawg.I dont have the money for a hunt like some but have the drive to make average joe hunts great. congrats to all who can afford it. Nice photos!
 
Don, you are behind most of these "auction tags". I absolutely love SFW by the way, and no in my heart, that the money raised by this organization goes towards conservation. But I am absolutley not convinced that the budget increases. The only thing that these high priced tags do in my opinion, is make it so when my kid gets old enough to hunt, he is going to have to pay hundreds of thousands for a tag!! i understand your opinion, but disagree that there is more moneys coming in. I hate the fact that this state allows anyone enough power to get OUR tags, and sell them for these types of prices. by the way Don, the expensive tag numbers continue to rise every year?? isn't taht kind of funny? Every tag that is sold at high dollars is one less that my 12 year old boy could have had.

By the way, i have hunted with you on a few hunts, and everything i am saying is not personal. I think the world of you as a person, and hope to have some of these conversation in person some day.
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

I can't believe someone would even consider throwing out "hero". Hunting should be about ones connection to the land and journey of hunting coupled with prize of success whether its a "trophy". No one who buys a special opportunity tag is a hero in my book. Why should I guy with money have a better chance than an average guy. He can go hire the best guides and do none of the grunt work himself an he also gets additional time to do so. That doesn't sound like a hero or champion to me. A hero or champion would contribute unconditionally whether or not he receives something in return. Do those people making donations do it because they are getting special opportunities? It seems more like another way to reward someone just because they have money. I don't have anything against people that have this kind of money but I don't see why its necessary they not only can have access to a tag every year and then get special privileges on top of that. Isn't it privilege enough to have the tag every year? Sorry brothers but this has nothing to do with envy or jealousy its a question of what is equitable. Hunting should be open to everyone and upon equal terms. These guys don't contribute anymore than the average guy would. Someone paying $250K is a lot less likely to have the same appreciation for public lands and the journey of the hunt. And the argument of their invested dollars going a long way. Give me a break. If you put these tags into the general pool as a lottery option for an extra dollar or two. I am pretty certain the revenue from a lottery would equal or surpass what they contribute.

I feel like this no different than buying ones way up any sporting list. If I had a cool million think I could buy a world record in the hurdles? Yeah sure hunting isn't guaranteed but if you've got guys out in the field all year long and you can take an animal whenever you want, please.... The modest hunter with these priviliges would smoke a nice one all day. You don't agree. Throw down the 250K and buy me a gov. tag in AZ for Elk and I will bring in a bull over +410. If I don't I will give you the 250K back.
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-09 AT 03:40PM (MST)[p]>Sure... the Hunter pays $250,000.00 LESS
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>of us Smucks pay OUR
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You are sorely mistaken on your understanding of taxes. If you think 'mister Warbucks' does not pay his fair share, I'm sure he will gladly swap you tax percentage any day of the week.

If you still don't believe me, figure out how much money you are going to pay in taxes this year, hurry and write a check for that amount of money to your favorite charity before the end of this year, and let me know how much more money you net when you file your taxes.

While you're at it figure out which shmucks pay 90% of the tax bill and get back to me.


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RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

I'm pretty sure I've got the Tax part down... These "Hero's" tax rate top off at 35% of their income less their itemized deductions and other credits given. Charitable Donations have a cap of 50% of their total taxable income shown on line 38 of their 1040 return... so in a nutshell if their TXI is $500K they get a 50% reduction of tax regardless of the 35% maximum tax rate... It gets even more cushy if their "Donation" is a Corporate donation as most large C-Corporations rarely pay tax in America these days... and lets not talk about carryforward and carryback claims that can be used to reduce Corporate tax to zero.

I truely believe the IRS needs to examine the tax returns of these "Hero's" on an anual basis because your supposed to subtract the true market value of the Gifted tag they receive as compensation for the donation. The fact that they PAID a Quarter of a Million Dollars for the "Special" Tag indicate a Fair Market Value in itself thus the tag and the donation should not be deductable... I'm okay with the taxable donation as long as there is no compensation of a Special Tag.

If you can afford the tag then pay for it but eliminate its charitable tax deductable status.

Destiny
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-09 AT 05:22PM (MST)[p]Destiny wrote:
so in a nutshell if their TXI is $500K they get a 50% reduction of tax regardless of the 35% maximum tax rate..

At the risk of putting everyone asleep with boring tax talk, I disagree. They get to reduce their taxable income by 50% (minus FMV) which is very different than reducing their tax by 50%. So using your example, w/o the contibution and income of 500k they would pay fed tax of 175,000 (500k * 35%). If they do make the contribution, and assuming a FMV of the hunt of 20,000, their taxable income drops to 270,000 with fed tax of 94,500. This saves $80,500 in Fed taxes. They likely save ~20,000 in state tax for total tax reduction of ~100,000.

Spending 250,000 to get 100,000 is not a very good investment.


Pruney
Guns kill people? That's like saying a spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

Some of you guys crack me up. You are so ignorant.

You automatically think that since some guy is bucks up, that makes him somehow an inferior sportsman to yourself.

Pretty much makes you look stupid.

You don't know these people or have a clue how they made their money, or what other good stuff they do with it.

Those guys paying for those tags are just like the rest of us, only wealthier.

I cannot afford a new Ford Super Duty, but some guys can.....does that automatically make them azzholes? What's the difference.

And by the way, no State that I know of, ever reduced the number of general tags, to offset the number of auction tags. That is simply ignorant thinking.
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

wish they would sell more of them tags so you guys would have more to ##### about
 
RE: A Quarter of a Million in tax write off ? That's Just WRONG

nickman,
+1, there are some very envious folks out there. Why condem anything that is helping the sport? That is like deviding ranks between archery and rifle hunters. There is a ton of jealousy out there. Not all, but alot of the "purists" out there, thier idea of helping with mule deer management is making sure that they get thier application in on time. Let a guy actually spend more than $50.00 a year and he is an "elitist bum". How come nobody ever cusses the guy that gets a gov. tag by buying a $5.00 lottery ticket? Surely he is taking away from somebody elses hunt opportunity? And for a measly $5.00!And those terrible "top end guides", heaven forbid that a man should make a living doing what he likes! To those who are "comfortable in thier own boots", try being in those boots for 350 days a year, they might not be so appealing after a bit. Big deer don't grow on trees and those guys that find them and keep an eye on them, are putting out an effort that most wouldn't even consider. Guiding is not for everyone and not everyone needs a guide, but don't condem a man if he feels that a guide service is the best way to help achieve a goal that he has set. Bottom line, if someone is willing to spend $250,000 for 1 animal from your state, appriciate it, don't keep whining about it! What is 1 animal anyway? Nature cares nothing about B&C points, that buck could just as easily be lion food or a red spot on the Interstate and then what would your state benefit?
 
Hero ????

I can't speak for the other riff-raff... I personally could care less if a hunter pays for a guide or pays 250K for a tag... but UTHunting posted in the original post that these benefactors should be treated as Hero's to those of us who hunt...

It's never going to happen with me... a Hero is a soldier who is awarded the CMO, a Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star and yes a Purple Heart. A Hero is an individual that puts his or her LIFE on the line for the benefit of others.

You cannot BUY Hero status... I'm SureDenny & Doyle and his crew are pretty good guys as well as the other guys who pay extreme prices for Special Tags... but "HERO" ? not in my book. There is no Danger or risk to writing a check.

Destiny
 
RE: Hero ????

Couldn't agree more. Spending money like this doesn't deserve that word. Most people have probably forgotten 9/11 or heroes from other wars, etc. Everyday there are people that are heroes and buying a tag isn't sufficient reason for granting that status to them.

Ok by me to spend the money I suppose as it can create great benefit for wildlife but I have also seen examples of these "great" hunters ending up later as not necessarily law abiding in their efforts to fulfill the tag owner's demands. Lots of pressure with this kind of money and I do wonder if it really helps our sport "long term"? This is not a personal attack on anyone in this email chain but it has happened and there have been fines, etc. for those who have not followed the rules.

I too might spend money like this if I had it but something is certainly lost when all you do is sit around, wait for a phone call, fly in and drive out to where someone else has been keeping an eye on "your" trophy. Hunting? I don't think so!
 
RE: Hero ????

Since many the generous people who you are bashing have donated thousands of their dollars to the "hunts for heroes program. I'm pretty sure most have not forgotten what a "Hero" is. One in particular who spent $50'000.00 for a Bighorn sheep hunt and then gave it to a wounded in battle Navy SEAl vetran. Yeah some of these guys are real jerks.
Ms. Density and Jazz and the rest of you, we get that you don't like the fact that some people with money are generous enough to do good with it. It upsets you that their massive donations to wildlife sometimes equal a permit for them.
What is morally wrong is the fact that MORON's like you reap the benifits of their contributions!
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RE: Hero ????

+2 nickman

If you read between the lines on most of that crap it is jealousy and a desperate attempt to justify it.

Some folks always have to come up with something to make them better than others.
 
Jealousy ? Not at all

Yes... I'm a Bitter Moron. And as a disabled hunter myself... I can honestly say.. The funds these guys pay never had any effect on the Animals I am physically able to hunt nor the private lands I hunt on.

Bragging that you have helped a single wounded warrior doesn't cut it either... there are so many out there that need assistance and any help you give should come from your heart not for the publicity. How many CWMU tags could have been bought and given to Disabled Warriors for $250k ?... So Denny has yet another fine animal on his wall... but what about the 50 to 100 wounded guys that could have had a simple 6x6 or a Buck and been gratefull for the opportunity to hunt ?

Hero status... absolutely not. But when I saw the show of Doyle helping the Disabled Kid get a nice deer on Mossback.. he gets a +1 in my book. In two months the tags will go up for Auction so we can see WWDD... What Will Denny Do. Will he Pay the 250K again.. Will he sit a year out hunting and donate a bunch of tags to the Wounded Warriors ? Time will tell.

Destiny... The Disabled Disgruntled Jealous Moron Hunter... goes to bed singing "My Bucks Bigger than Your Buck.. My Bulls Bigger than Yours"

Sigh..
 
RE: Jealousy ? Not at all

LAST EDITED ON Dec-29-09 AT 07:27AM (MST)[p]MsDestiny.......how hipocritical can you get?

You have private land to hunt on?

I am a 80% disabled Veteran and I DON'T have private land to hunt on, you elititist slob......see now, what is the difference?

Did you invite 20 Veterans to come hunt on YOUR land? Let's see the pictures of the 20 or so Vets YOU helped out?

Just because someone has spent that kind of money on a tag, what gives you the right to compare the possibilities of things they could have done instead? How do you know what they have done......and what makes it your business anyway?

The POS truck I drive has 280,000 miles on it and last week, the 4x4 mechanics took a dump and there is no way I can afford to repair it........want to donate?

Why not, you could. I think you should.

After all, with you having private hunting land and all, you must have more money than me.

You don't see an issue with your mindset.....I can't help you.
 
RE: Jealousy ? Not at all

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Ms. Density Glad you can play your disabled card while your bashing other people. Works out nice for you.
Nobody is saying they are true heroes. All anyone said was the money spent on these permits helps biggame and everyone immensely. i.e. when they drop a ton of cash and it is used to transplant turkeys then some 12 year old draws a tag and can go on his first hunt with his dad. Or some bighorn sheep are purchased for another state and released in ours, many people drive up the canyon to see them and enjoy their existance and maybe someday people like those on this site may draw a permit and be able to hunt. It is a benifit to everyone. Exept you I guess.
You are the definition of MORON. Crawl back in your hole. Stop putting other people down to make your idiotic self look better. Basically just go away. Words cannot describe what a miserable bitter person you are.
Oh and nobody publicized helping any vetrans and that person did not just help ONE as you suggest. Just something that I know happend and thought I should add. Many of these guy's make anonymous donations. Like one for 30 some thousand to Primary childrens hospital and many more. No they are not heroes just a few good guys doing a few good things.
What have you done?


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Nickman... quit being a #####.

Nothing in my last post said it was my own personal property... it's land that I have asked to hunt on... I'm as poor as you SOB. I have not a single square foot of dirt with my name on it. If you think I'm filthy rich... look in the mirror. You call me elitist ? Tell the Nurse at the VA that someone told you to cut down on the meds.. Okay ?

Nickman.. If you are disabled... you already know that we have to hunt ten times harder and smarter than the rest of the riff raff and road hunters... Pull your next Piece of Junk truck over at a Farm house and ask if you can hunt there... For gods sake.. the worst thing that will happen is they will say no. You don't have private land to hunt on cause your afraid to ask.

Got it ?

Destiny
 
RE: Nickman... quit being a #####.

LAST EDITED ON Dec-29-09 AT 08:05PM (MST)[p]500,000.00 for coyote control like to see the audit on that one
paying for helicopter rides? or high dallor bioligist with night scope and a AR?

why dont ya just pay the public 50.00 per dog save our tax dallors and give the people that lost there jobs a way to pay for groceries, call it public preditor control bailout fund.

Mr destiny I agree with you. its all about the rich folk
and how to make more laws benifit them
 
Nice job isayNunya

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Hi isayNunya...see... common courtesy to spell someones name correctly. The very first post in this pile of mess does in fact refer to the "Benefactors" as hero's. That's my whole beef. If you simply drag the long bar on the right side of your screen and drag it to the top... you can read it yourself.

I'm not bashing... but your arguing with a woman.. Still don't get it huh.

I understand all the good the Money does to help all of the woodland christmas critters in the State of Utah... but again.. original post... Hero's.. not going to happen with me or quite a few others that have posted previously.

I'm not going to crawl back into my whole... I just don't have much time left on this earth... and getting a rise out of you is quite entertaining. Plus someone in an above post stated that a $50K Sheep tag was donated to a disabled seal... One guy...

What have I done... other a couple bucks for the tag donations... not much.. However I do spend every dime I have after my monthly medical expenses and I buy long pieces of aluminum barstock and I turn out with a CNC machining special adapters for Soldiers in Combat so they can fire 12ga shotgun shells out of their 40mm M203 Grenade Launchers... They use them for Breeching locked barricades when entering occupied homes... This way they open the door safely without a 40mm HE grenade bouncing back and killing them... Yup I donate them with the meager funds I have left....Civilians Pay for them. I also repair their Grenade Launchers and send them Parts.. old hunting magazines... anything to to keep them safe and their spirits high.

If your man enough...

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So IsayNUNYA... what do you do for our Soldiers.. and Wounded Warriors ??? You asked me what I do.. You seem to be offended by my mere existence. I know real Hero's.. they send me their medals to thank me for the work I do... Again... I have and always will have issue with the "Benefactors" being refered to Hero's... again see orignal Post #4... and nothing you can say or how much to try to bash me personally will change my mind.

Destiny
 
RE: Hero ????

isayNUNYA,

Whatever, my point was simply that we have seen some of these large $ folks turn a little sour when the "pressure" to succeed got so great the law was broken to get them the "giant" animal. Not saying that is the case here but we have seen that happen.

Can you remember a famous Remington rep. that eventually fanished due to his wife turning him in? Do you recall a famous guide with many video' from Arizona that was involved with Ultra Light planes? Do you recall the use of helicopters on the Wasington/Oregon border that were being used to push a potential world record ram to the Oregon side?

The $'s can make things go bad sometimes! They can be beneficial as well.

Jazz
 
RE: Hero ????

personally I am sick of the wealth and auction tags, they are out of hand. leave the public tags to all the hunters to apply for on an equal level. If the F&G needs to raise the cost of said tags to compensate, they should do it.
 

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