Book Cliffs Future???

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 12:46PM (MST)[p]Show me Big Bucks taken off the books in 2009 and what your thoughts are for 2010 hunt.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 11:49AM (MST)[p]do you mean 09 pics and thoughts for 2010? lol

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Mr.Whiny
 
Thanks I was doing a 2010-2011 budget and forgot the last hunt was 09' Thanks
 
shot out in 09 have seen nothing bigger 22" all winter good luck with that have seen no 4 points all 2 or 3points thanks
 
I have been going down there regularly for the last 5 years and have been seeing a steady decrease in quality, big bucks are still there, they are just harder to find. I think the area has been way over hunted.


Rub some dirt on it, ya sissy!
 
Ya they are over hunting it way to much I just got on the DWR harvest report and they killed 573 bucks this past season that is pretty ridiculous.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-10 AT 11:14PM (MST)[p]Personally, I think it is great. The Book Cliffs burns through more bonus points in one year than all the other limited entry units in the state. I would tell anyone that if they wouldn't be happy shooting a 22-24" 4 point they probably ought to put in somewhere else. I am glad we don't manage the whole state like the Henry Mtns. Sure it would be awesome to see what kind of bucks we could produce if we managed the Book Cliffs like the Henrys, but it would be a big loss to sportsmen too. I think it is good to have a unit like the Book Cliffs that is in between what you find on a general season unit and what you might find on one of the premium units. I wish we had a few more just like it. It is a great hunt for the young, the less experienced, women, older and disabled hunters. If you are a hard core trophy hunter there are better units, but the Book Cliffs is a fun hunt.

When they decided to close the unit the RAC and lots of the public in Northeastern Utah were torn. There used to be thousands of people that hunted it on the general season hunt every year, and they hated to give it up. The buck to doe ratio was so low that something had to be done, and they closed it. But, the RAC voted to manage the Book Cliffs more towards the opportunity rather than trophy quality. After being closed for 3 years and then reopening with a really limited number of permits, there were some monster bucks running around out there. Over the last few years hunters have been pretty effective at taking the top end off every year, and the truly big bucks are harder and harder to find.

However, I think the scarcity of top end bucks out there is in large part a function of how deer in the Book Cliffs behave. Other units in the state get tons of hunting pressure like the Book Cliffs did before the closure, but the buck to doe ratios never drop as low in those units as they did in the Book Cliffs. Those Book Cliffs deer are just too vulnerable and dumb during the rifle season, and they get creamed every year. When it was general season that is why almost all the bucks were gone. And, I think that same thing still happens now, but instead of killing all the bucks hunters just kill all the top end bucks.

When a buck has potential to be a monster he is usually pretty decent as a 3.5 yr old or sometimes even as a 2.5 yr old. I think all the biggest bucks out there get shot as 3.5 yr olds during the rifle hunt. The bucks that live to old age are big management type bucks, the kind of bucks that folks who draw a permit don't want to shoot. If we cut way back on permits I am sure we would start seeing more of a top end, but the buck to doe ration would be crazy high, and there would be even more management type bucks running around out there than there are now.

I think a management hunt out there would be great. Take a chunk of the existing permits and turn them to management tags. That way you can manage to a productive buck to doe ratio, improve trophy quality for those interested in it, and harvest some bucks that wouldn't be killed otherwise while giving opportunity and still burning through some bonus points.

It will be interesting to see how deer management in the state changes in the next couple years and how it might affect a unit like the Book Cliffs.

Dax

P.S. Wow that was a long post, it is late and I am starting to wax poetic, I better get to bed.

P.P.S. There are still a few nice ones out there. I would like to see what this guy might look like next year.
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Hey Dax - I respect the hell out of you so don't take this wrong but you mentioned several times "deer management". There are only a couple of areas that the DWR even gives a rats a** about managing and that's the Henry's and the Book Cliffs. Those are the only 2 units that any kind of "management" exists. The only unit we can feel comfortable that the DWR won't screw up is the Henry's. The Book Cliffs have a lot of young bucks out there and the genetics are there. You see a lot of bucks in the 140-150 class range every year. They can't possibly get "shot out" as someone above put. So where do they go? I'm sure there is a poaching problem just like any other good unit but still . . .

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Dax,

That buck is an identical twin to the one I have hanging on the wall that I killed there in 2005. Went out there expecting a little more mass but couldn't pass him up.
 
Very good post Daxter. I agree with you 100%. I would hate to see every unit managed like the Henries. Or like the general season, for that matter. In between units are great. I was in the Bookcliffs in 2006 and 2007 during muzzy. The age class was lacking, but for sheer numbers, it was great. Fun, fun hunt.

Don P.
 
My wife hunted it in '07 and I hunted it in '09.On her hunt is was colder on the opener and we saw about 300 bucks in the five days we hunted. On my hunt it was alot warmer and we "ONLY" saw about 150 bucks in the same 5 days. Tons of people the first few days,but if you can get past that it is a fun hunt for good bucks, but not huge bucks. We bolth killed 150-155" bucks. They were the biggest ones we found. Super fun hunt!! Talked to the bioligist before the hunt and he as very helpfull, But made it very clear, If you are looking for a 180"-200" deer look at a diffrent unit. There are a few here but good luck.
 
talk to local game warden last week at buck canyon wanted know were all the deer went to he said it is sad because deer are gone compared to last winter .
 

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