300 Win Mag VS 7MM Rem Mag

[buckbuster64]

personly i like the 30 cal.Hits harder,groups better,leaves a clean hole(in-out)and so-far nothing has ever walked or ran away after being hit by my 300.I know there will aways be arugments in pref.but this my opp.of 40 years of hunting.It is hard to beat a 30.cal.

 

[LOWCOUNTRY]

Im not sure I agree with your statement that it hits harder the ballistics tables below tell a different story. Its all about how you load it. Look at 150 grain (S) bullet manufacter for both guns. I will agree the .300 win mag is a great round. But dont cut the 7mag short its a flat shootin hard hitter and I have yet to loose anything with it. But I wont knock the .300 win mag they are both amazing rounds both of which I own.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/7mm_rem_mag.html
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/300_winmag.html

 

[ADDICT]

Comparison
Model Core-Lokt Core-Lokt
Order No. 29487 29495
Avg Wt Case 14 14
Ballistics Coefficient 0.346 0.294
Caliber 7mm Rem Magnum 300 Win Mag
En 100 2667 2897
En 200 2196 2311
En 300 1792 1823
En 400 1448 1420
En 500 1160 1091
En Muzzle 3221 3605
Index R7MM2 R300W1
L RT100 1.4 1.3
L RT150 1.3 1.2
L RT200 zero zero
L RT250 -2.6 -2.4
L RT300 -6.7 -6.3
L RT400 -19.9 -18.9
L RT500 -41.1 -39.8
Model Core-Lokt Core-Lokt
Primer Number 9 1/2 M 9 1/2M
S RT100 0.0 0.0
S RT150 zero zero
S RT200 -1.6 -1.6
S RT250 -4.6 -4.4
S RT300 -9.0 -8.7
S RT50 0.0 0.0
Vel 100 2830 2950
Vel 200 2568 2634
Vel 300 2320 2340
Vel 400 2085 2065
Vel 500 1866 1810
Vel Muzzle 3110 3290
Wt 150 150


Cheap basic ammo. 300 win mag is just a little more gun but they are very similar in fact near parallel. More ammo options out of the 300 for sure.

I still say 300RUM

 

[buckbuster64]

I agree,i new it but i didn't have the prof.Good Job

 

[tagsoup]

Only thing I would disagree with is that it groups better. One is not more accurate than the other. I'm not a fan of either of these cartridges, don't know why. But both are great for deer and elk.

 

[justr_86]

I love my 300 win. Wouldn't pass a good deal on a 7mm.

 

[sageadvice]

The only advantage that i can see in the 30 cal being for really big animals with really heavy bullets, 200+ grains. The 7 mag offers just as flat shooting, if not a little more so, and near the FPE in lighter bullets, less recoil. Take your pick, for the hunting i do, i'd go with the 7 MM.

Joey

 

[Striker]

I would also have to agree with the accuracy statement. Both have won 1000 yard competitions. However you will find better ballistic coefficient in lighter bullets with the 7mm. Is one really better than the other. I believe that it is more application specific as to which caliber is better. This is coming from someone who owns both calibers and uses them both regularly. I love my 300 but its tough to leave the 7mm home after some of the shots I've made with mine. Its like choosing between children.

 

[jims]

I have a feeling that accuracy may vary from rifle to rifle...and hunter to hunter! Also scopes and different loads can vary so greatly that I don't think you can say 1 is better than another! These are especially true with different calibers that have fairly close ballistics. Buy the best scope and rifle you can afford and try to figure out the best loads that will perform well with your particular rifle!

With that said, I used a 300 Weatherby mag for years in Remington action. I'm not sure what happened but my group patterns seem to get worse and worse every year. Long story short...I just switched to a Sako 300 WSM and couldn't be happier! The only problem I have with the Sako is the short-stubby shells tend to be tougher to load. You know which rifle I'll be taking this fall!

 

[buckbuster64]

I personaly got nothing against the Weatherby or the sako both fine makes,but i like old WIN mod 70.I load my own amo shoot 165 grn bullet out the muzzel at 3250fps and this load shoots 5 shot groups like you never saw and my rifle is post war late 60's,and i have shot it,shot it and shot it at the range and in the field.The action is smooth and wood is good.As far as scopes,only had two on the gun(Leupold&Swarovski)shoots the same with either.I think it is how you feel in your mind& the gun you feel most confident in.I have pulled some shots with this rifle that i would never try with some of they other guns that i have

 

[cabinfever]

A 30+ year veteran outfitter told me once that he has had more 300 WM in his camps than any other rifle.Having said that, both are great cartridges. I think the 300 WM is the best all around cartridge, and you can take it to Alaska for moose and grizz without feeling under gunned. However, the 7mm would be more suitable for long range accuracy. It has better ballistics and is a flat shoot'n son-of-a-gun.Recoil is lighter which can make all the difference in accuracy. If you never plan on going to Alaska, or chasing dangerous game in Africa than a 7mm is hard to beat. Jeesh, a guy just needs to own both. Two of the best calibers ever made IMO.

 

[BLU]

A couple of each should do just fine

 

[quest]

Both rounds are good. With the new scopes that are out you can harvest a deer out to 500 yards or more as long as you have enough energy to get the job done with said caliber. A 270 Win will get the job done just as good as a 300 or 7mm. quest

 

[rmanwill]

Love my 7MM's, but also have a 300RUM that is starting to be used quiet a bit.

 

[woodruffhunter]

Both are great guns. I would shoot both calibers and see where had I had my best accuracy. I would then shoot that gun. I have owned both and currently shoot the 300...

On my wifes elk hunt, I believe she is going to shoot a 7mm short mag.

 

[hossblur]

Both have been proven and I would argue are in the big four, especially out west. 30-06, .270, 7mm, .300. In fact I would bet you can't go in any deer/elk camp in the west and not run on to at least one of these, and in most probably all of these. I personally shoot the 06. My son will shoot the 7mm. I am just one of those guys who doesn't like the punishment from the .300 vs the 7mm.

 

[OutdoorWriter]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-10 AT 09:41AM (MST)[p]So how many angels can dance on the head of a pin??

Since this thread is in the mule deer section, I would assume the 7mm/.300 cartridge debate relates to hunting them. IMO, there is not enough difference to make a difference when bullets appropriate for mule deer are compared. Dead is dead if either bullet hits the vitals. A few pounds of energy or a tenth of an inch of trajectory won't change that.

Although I have owned a couple rifles in both calibers over the last 50 years, I saw little difference in accuracy, which is usually related more to the rifle, to a proper load for a particluar rifle or the guy pulling the trigger.

I no longer own a 7mm mag but still have a custom .300 WM built by Robar on a Rem. 700 action. It's a great shooting rifle but the only time I use it is when I want to push bullets of 180 grs. or more, i.e. for LARGE critters. Otherwise, as I have done since 1965, I grab my M70 .264 mag, using either 100 or 140 gr. pellets for everything else. And often, I will use it for large critters, as well.




TONY MANDILE

How To Hunt Coues Deer

 

[buckbuster64]

I also have lov for 264 win mag,i also have one in a mod 70.I have a lot of respect for this cal. as long as you keep 140gn bullet or better in it. It will defeniaty do the job.My son shot a Bull Elk square in the chest at about 30yds with a 140gr nos-part.Dug that bullet out of his left hip area,bullet was in great shape,bull didn't go 60 yards.Keep the heavery bullet wts in the cal.under 30. and they all do good.

 

[OutdoorWriter]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-10 AT 10:28AM (MST)[p]On a trip to Africa in 2003, I used my .264 with factory 140-gr. loads to kill 11 plains game critters that included gemsbok, kudu, two wildebeests and zebra. All but one --because of me and not the cartridge -- were one-shot kills. I've also used it on three caribou species, at least eight elk, a red stag, three black bears, a scimitar oryx and a 60" BC moose. I've lost count of the deer of various species, pronghorns, javelina and various exotics that have succumbed to my .264.

As a side note to this topic, on the same trip to Africa, my hunting partner shot a huge eland with a 7mm mag using a 165. gr. bullet. It went about 20 steps before dropping.


TONY MANDILE

How To Hunt Coues Deer

 

[mywifeishotterthentiffany]

Both are great guns. I geuss we will have to flip a coin.




"Let's keep things in perspective.I mean for Peet's sake there are kids in Africa that don't even hunt....hello" Jimmy Big Time

 

[NickW]

Just to chime in! I too have a .264 win mag and when I decided to really get into elk hunting I opted to go with the .338 win mag. I wanted a spread between calibers.
I've killed elk with both and with proper shot placement they perform equally well, but I feel more confident with the .338 on longer shots.

 

[buckbuster64]

Thats exactly the way i feel.Good luck to all this fall

 

[easymoney]

I have a similar weapon, early 1970s win mag and it shoots just like yours. I shoot 180grn hand loads, with nosler and barnes bullets. Both do the job on all the game I hunt out here in the west.
This being said I do not think there is anything wrong with a 7mm. I also shoot a 264 win mag and it too is a very accurate screaming round. Like the 300wm, the 264 has seen it's days numbered by the unveiling of the 270, then the others like 280. Back in the day the 300 and the 264 were both the top of the food chain. Today though you can go into any sporting goods, liquor store, hardware store out here in the west and the ammo they always have on the shell includes the 270 and 7mm.
Not that one is better or worse, people are fickle and subject to whims of advertsing. Look at the spinoffs of the 30cal mags, there are many that very good and probably more to come...



Stop Global Whining

 

[buckbuster64]

Dido to everthing you said,exactly the way i think.I have a mod 70 in 270SWM,if i shoot 140 grn and up it does a good job,130,s the bullet blows up.But then again thats why i lean toward 30 cal,more powder,heavery bullet,lots of speed...........

 

[nfh]

both great guns. all comes down to personal choice.

 

[arroyobuck]

+1 for the 300 Win Mag and the 264 Win Mag Combo. Been using those exclusively for 30+ years. I carry the 300 when hunting elk/moose (200+ grain loads) although the 264 will kill effectively anything that walks in North/South America. Mine are based on model 700s.

There are a lot of new calibers these days, will they withstand the test of time? I am a purist and IMO there is a big difference between paper ballistics and actual hunting experience/years in the field. You go in a grocery store in Alaska it will probably have both 300 and 7MM ammo. Some of these new exotic designer cartridges you better take a lot with you, because its not distributed widespread (Thats the only problem with the 264).

7MM is a great round, but as someone else said, you should buy one of each...you would have options for heavier bullets with the 300 when needed.