Wounded deer help!

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-08-10 AT 11:52AM (MST)[p]Hey guys my nephew hit a big 4 pt in high shoulder,Over the weekend,his mother has it on video i will try to post later.When he jumped to run away The arrow was moving from top to bottom with every movement of his shoulder blade.The steep angle of shot the arrow is headed down into his vitals,but entered at top of shoulder blade with around 14 16 inches of penetration.So when he is running away his arrow is sticking up over the top of his body around 6 inches.And didnt make an exit hole.He has looked everyday and night since,the blood trail is very light if anything.since i think the blood has to pump up and out the top of his shoulder,most blood he found was on brush he ran through.My question is have any of you had a wounded animal and not found it until you seen birds or animals feeding on the kill,and if the deer is bleeding internally,i imAGINE HE IS BLOATED UP SOMEWHERE,but how long will it take for it to stink and for animals to start flying around it.I know its hot but with no blood and an animal sitting on ground and flys,can it take up to a week or longer,especially in a rural area with foxes and birds to eat on him.I just need some advice on how long you guys have had to wait until birds and animals were all over it.all help appreciated....My nephew is 115 years old and this deer is really close to make pope and young,and he is just sick about it,and will not stop looking.heres video clip of deer being hit.just copy and paste it.http://www.monsterhuntclips.com/video/1014/fifteen-year-old-Big-buck
 
look every day that is a dead buck! get out and actually hike the hills, get down wind cause you will smell it for a couple of hundred yards when the wind is right.

Teach him some ethics and Punch the tag!



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There are no big bucks in Utah! LOL
 
If he is getting around at 115 years old ,he is doing a good job. Sorry I coulndn't resist that typo.
 
Years ago my bro hit a buck high but with a good angle downward. Those things don't bleed very much. We were on light blood trail for about 400 yards then it dried up completely. It's hard to bleed up and out of a wound like that. My bro was sick and we just combed the area and found the deer piled up in some bushes another 200 yards away. It's for sure a dead buck. Just circle the area or wait for birds.
 
>look every day that is a
>dead buck! get out
>and actually hike the hills,
>get down wind cause you
>will smell it for a
>couple of hundred yards when
>the wind is right.
>
>Teach him some ethics and Punch
>the tag!
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>
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>There are no big bucks in
>Utah! LOL

+1!


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If the buck expired realatively quickly (overnight) it should be within a day or two of having birds on the deer. Speaking from experience, my buddy shot a deer last year in the a.m. half way down in a canyon and thought it was a killing shot. We picked up the the blood trail but lost it shortly thereafter. We combed that country all day until dark. Brought in another person the next day and searched til dark. The third day we got as high up on the mountain as possible and found the deer only due to the birds. After the shot the buck had apparently sidehilled quite a ways and then ran UP a draw maybe 600-800 yards and expired in a shallow depression. If it weren't for the birds we never would have located that buck. I could barely see a tine the bird was standing on through my spotting scope. Sickest feeling we've ever experienced so I know what you're going through. If we would have focused as much attention above the shot as below we might have recovered it earlier. Just goes to show they don't all run down hill. FYI - it WILL stink when you get close to it. We tried to salvage the meat but qickly discovered it was a total loss.
 
That buck is dead, and almost certain down hill and towards water. Work the wind and find the smell.
Watch for birds and even take a dog into the area to help find him.

Good luck.

Mike
 
I don't want to be the sole holdout here, but it looks like the arrow entered over the vertebrae, in front of the shoulder. so unless the arrow was coming nearly straight down, I don' think it could have entered the ribcage to hit vitals. If the arrow entered steeply on the shooter side of vertebrae, you're in the rib cage and I agree that deer is dead. But it is really hard to see the angle in the video. It doesn't look like a vitals hit to me. Keep looking, if the deer is alive you should be able to find some part of the arrow that it pulls out or bites off.
 
How far was that shot? Looked like a long ways, and quartering towards on top of that, not good.
 
I'm sorry travishunter3006, but I couldn't disagree more.

Punch the tag.

Unless you can verify that a wound is extremely minor...if you draw blood, you punch the tag.

Grizzly
 
DONT PUNCH THE TAG YET WAIT TILL YOU HAVE WOUNDED 6-8 BUCKS THEN PUNCH YOUR TAG!


YOU AINT GOING TO KILL A BIG BUCK UNLESS THERE IS A BIG BUCK WHERE YOUR HUNTING!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-08-10 AT 05:24PM (MST)[p]I am with the other person that is not certain this was a lung hit.

It looks high to me. The spine drops down a bit where it looks like the arrow hit. I think the arrow actually went into the muscle there around the spine and kinda between the shoulder blade and the spine. If thats the case, then it should all be muscle. But then again, its hard to tell with that angle.

As far as to punch the tag or not.

I say leave the tag just the way it is. But only hunt that deer for the rest of the season. If you find him alive and can shoot him again, then do so. If you can't find him, don't shoot another buck just because. And if you do find him dead, even days later, punch the tag.

Also, how far of a shot was that? It looks like a good bit to me. I am also not sure the arrow got much penetration.
Later,

Marcial
 
i'll guess that shot was 70-80 yrds?
shots like that are killing are sport, someone needs to pull their head out of thier #$%.

i agree, shot is WAY to high. not sure you'll find a dead deer. but chances of it happening again, when your taking shots like that, are VERY good.

the idea of bowhuning is getting close to your game. holding high and letting it rip doesnt cut it.
 
Looks like a strait on shot, if it is the deer is just fine. Way high no vitals. How ever far it is doesn't matter if he can shoot the distance. You asked for help not people telling you whats right or wrong. I can shoot 100 yards no problem yet on some shoots I may not shoot more then 30 yards.
 
I seen a TARD try a 175 yard shot on an Elk this year!

How many yards was this shot?

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
Most likely a dead buck even though it was a high forward hit. Any compromise of the plural cavity and he will eventually die but not after traveling along way.
 
Seem like almost 3 seconds between shot and hit. How fast are these bows, seems like a long shot.
 
A yr or two ago my buddy wounded a deer on the wasatch. He posted a request for help finding it on this website and took some crap for it but guess what? Someone read the post and helped him recover it. He searched for 3 days on his own.
 
I think he should give up hunting or change his hunting ethics. It might kill the deer. What a waste.

Penetration looked like it was in the lung area but not deep enough to do serious damage... because of the low poundage on the bow or the super distance that superman thinks he can shoot. Nobody should take a shot past 60 yrds.
 
after watching the video several times and watching the arrow bounce as it runs you can see the arrow is in the backstrap... that is not a kill shot I dont think he will die. This shot will haunt him for a long long time and will learn from it.. could have had a better chance at that buck the next day...
 
The only time I have seen a deer hit in the shoulder or the guts run UP hill is when they are pushed..they will side hill or run down to get away, but if you are pushing them from behind I have seen them go 500+ up a drainage and die.. Good luck!! I hope you find him!
 
The shot looks to be pretty high up in the shoulder. Too tough to tell if it is a killing shot or not.

As for the people who think they need to give all the ethical advice or not they should just keep it to themselves. He never asked for their opinion on if the shot should have been taken or not. He only asked if it would kill the deer. This site is getting pretty overpopulated with people who think they are the golden child for reprimanding other hunters for something they have probable one time or another done themselves. Give the kid a break, he is 15 years old. Think about when you were at that age and your nerves when a big buck walked into view. He will learn but I see no need to bag on him for the shot or the distance.

keep looking and hopefully you find him or get another shot at him.
 
years ago i shot a really big buck in northern arizona on an kiabab archery hunt. i hit the deer in a similar spot just a little different angle, i was in a tree stand. i never found the deer, we looked for the deer for days and help from other hunters we did'nt even know. i found about 6 inches of the arrow broke off and even where the deer hit the tree. i've seen deer that have been harvested that had broadheads under their skin from an old shot, that went bad and the animal lived. now i want to really ask how many hunters never wounded an animal and never found it from making a bad shot, thats part of our learning experience and you really have to give it to the kid to continue to look for the buck. the 115 yr old(lol) will problably remember this day and learn from this about shot placement, now if we hunted and made perfect shots every time, we would not have those experience to learn from! i say the deer is problably still alive, and he problably won't find it, but im glad to see that he is putting the effort to try to still find it, most guys would have gave up.....goodluck!
 
Take your dogs out with you if they smell him they will head toward the dead body they will just check out the dead body because of the smell, Keep looking for birds and spend time down wind. Hope you find him.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
For all you nut sacks out there telling this kid he should give up hunting and that he has no ethics need to not respond! there is nothing wrong with taking shots past 60 yards heck there are many people out there that say you should not shoot anything past 20! I have never killed a deer under 73 yards wih my bow and every deer that I have shot at over 73 has died and been a quick recover! If your comfortable with the shot then take it!

Now my opinion on the deer is if it cliped the top right lung then it will be able to travel very far before it dies if it missed the lung that deer is still out there alive! GOOD LUCK ON THE RECOVER!

YOU AINT GOING TO KILL A BIG BUCK UNLESS THERE IS A BIG BUCK WHERE YOUR HUNTING!!!
 
I think you guys that want to tell this young 15 year old kid to stop hunting because he made what YOU think was a bad or unethical shot, need to get a life. He took the shot and he is the one suffering right now. Anybody that hunts has been there. If you havent, you don't hunt enough. We all cant afford to buy hunts that have an animal tied to a stake standing broadside, 30 yards away. I've made a bad shot with a rifle and not found the buck. Why dont you bash on me and leave the kid alone!!!
 
I don't see that arrow killing the buck imediatley or even after a few day's that's just a bad hit very high looks to be in front of the shoulder blade a place I like to call no man's land. Good Luck on finding him I'd concentrate on finding a stoved up wounded buck and a little less on bird's
 
"I think you guys that want to tell this young 15 year old kid to stop hunting because he made what YOU think was a bad or unethical shot, need to get a life"

X2
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-10 AT 09:49AM (MST)[p]I would bet the young man is sick after wounding the buck in question. Bet he has learned from the experience, but to tell him to stop hunting forever now is sad to hear. Sounds like he is doing the right thing continuing to search for this deer.
Shooting a target with a bow at long range is different than shooting at an animal at long range when adrenaline and excitement are pumping through your veins....
Young man I hope you find your deer and take some positive from what seems like a completely negative situation.

Wounding an animal can happen to any one of us. We pray it never does.
In 30-years of hunting I wounded one animal and to me it is one too many. Still sick about it to this day.
I shot a bull elk at 130 yards with a rifle and I thought he was dead for sure as he dived into thick quakies. When I went up to the spot he was at I noticed I had hit a small quakie before the bull that I had not seen in the scope. I blood trailed him for over a mile and then lost the trail.
Spent the next four days searching for him. Jumped him once and did not shoot because I was not sure it was the same bull and did not want to shoot another animal till I found him. To my further dismay I found out from small blood specks next to the tracks that it was him. Ended the season never finding him again.
I feel for you and hope you go the rest of your hunting career without having to feel the pain I am sure your feeling right now.
Best,
Jerry
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-10 AT 10:21AM (MST)[p]3 seconds between shot and impact of arrow? when you watch the tape listen to the voice after the shot tape seems to be playing is slow-motion maybe not as far of a shot as you may think the kid is 15 give him a break unless you are positive on all the circumstance he is asking for help not a ethical lecture he will learn from this as will anyone who helps him look for this deer if you want to razz some one razz a peta member or a tree hugger us as hunters should be united not tearing each other down. do you now the kid is he from a hunting background did he know any better? maybe he does not come from a family with a hunting background? who know I just know when people get on this site I dont want them to think we are all just a bunch of a$$-holes because a few of you want to rag on everyone because they dont do everything just like you do. Give the kid some positive advise send him a PM but dont make this a thread about tearing him down.
Just my 2 cents


+1 THEKNACK
 
I looked at the video clip several times and my opinion is...........Not a vital shot, no dead deer, too high and too far forward. The shot is in "no-mans-land" for sure.

It's a tough lesson to learn but I remember, 42 years ago, at his age I had some learning to do. I still do!

I will keep my judgements to myself about all the long range shooting comments.

Zeke
 
I would say the video is definately playing is slow motion, so the 3 sec. delay from shot to impact is a mute point and does not necessarily prove it was a long shot. It looks like a high neck shot to me but it is hard to tell.
 
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Nice buck. Poor shot. But looks like a dead deer. I would say that he should be stinking about 5 days after. My first buck took me 5 days to find. Found it from the stench that was blowing down the canyon.

DeadI/Jared
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I said he needs to quit hunting or change his ethics. Big OR... So his age makes it ok? What a joke. I understand buck fever... I am positive most of us including me have had wounded animals or bad shots mostly at a younger age. We should not encourage the fact that he is 15, that he can take all the long shots he wants(my opinon over 60yrds). He should know that it does happen and how to retrieve the animal the best way. Great for the forums.... However forums are for opinions and that is mine. Sorry if you dont like it. :) Oh and even in slow motion its obvious the shot was far and without reviewing previous posts again I believe it was said to be 70-80 yrds.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-10 AT 10:38PM (MST)[p]Interesting video and angle. I put it on the 119" HD projector and went frame by frame. I don't believe the shot itself killed the deer. I think it was too high and forward to hit vitals and obviously it missed neck and spine.

Unfortunately I learned the hard way back in 2001 about hitting a deer in that approximate location. Fortunately the deer I hit turned up 6 weeks later on the rifle hunt skinny but dead by someone else.

Definitely the wound could get infected or the buck could get sick and fall to some predator.

But If I were to bet I would say it is less likely the buck dies of the shot then dies of the shot.

With that being said go easy on the kid. A 14 year old hunting is the responsibility of the adult they are hunting with. So if the shot was to far the adult should of called him off.

We don't need to blast 14 year olds, we need to teach them ethics. Something we ALL could use more of I am sure.





Tony Abbott
www.myfreehunts.com
 
Well that shot didn't kill him but that doesn't mean he's still alive. Bad angle and a big NO NO to even think about shooting at the camera's angle. Don't take that shot if you are 15 feet away let alone 60+ yards. Hopefully he learned a valuable lesson and good luck finding it. I'm guessing he's alive. We'll run out of healthy deer if people keep shooting like that.
 
yes The shot was 60 yards away.And i wasnt there to tell him try get closer.that was the biggest deer my nephew has seen,so he got excited and was with his mother.Since i posted this we have been searching hard and i was able to track him To another 800 yrds just by seeing blood rubbed off on tall weeds,then the weeds got alot shorter and lost the blood,The deer crossed 3 4 foot fences in the mean time and found the arrow at the last one.We have tried looking for birds up to a mile past that area without any luck.WE have searched for 6 days now and will keep searching,but its not looking to good.And i think its up to the hunter and parents weither he punches his tag or not.Im just his uncle trying to help out.Thanks for all help guys! elknr
 
Hey guys im not lookin for your opinions on if he should stop hunting or not.Keep your mouth shut unless you want to help my nephew out,Not just try to pound on a 15 year old,its his second year of hunting and first deer he has stuck with his bow.He already wishes he did things differently.But to tell a kid to stop hunting,Wow im not suprised coming from people around here,I guess thats why i dont hang out with people like you.I agree to teach a young hunter ethics and what not to do.Yes The shot was 60 yards away.And i wasnt there to tell him try get closer.That was the biggest deer my nephew has seen,so he got excited and was with his mother and took the long shot.His mom ranged him at 55 yards.And the video is in slow motion,so it doesnt take 3 seconds for arrow to hit the deer.Since i posted this we have been searching hard and i was able to track him To another 800 yrds just by seeing blood rubbed off on tall weeds,then the weeds got alot shorter and lost the blood,The deer crossed 3 4 foot fences in the mean time and found the arrow at the last one.We have tried looking for birds up to a mile past that area without any luck.WE have searched for 6 days now and will keep searching,but its not looking to good.And i think its up to the hunter and parents weither he punches his tag or not.Not my business!!Thanks for all help guys who pitched in! elknr
 
"never take a 1/4ing to shot...." But the 1/4ing away shot gets props all day long. What's the diff? You aim for the exit on the 1/4ing away shot, do the same on the 1/4ing to.

I hope he finds his buck alive and well, and puts another arrow in him....from any distance he's confident at. Good luck.
 
The difference is the amount of muscle and bone protecting from the front. From the back, you have guts and possible a few floating ribs, but not full shoulder plates.

Huge difference to an arrow.

Grizzly
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-13-10 AT 04:15PM (MST)[p]elknr - have you found anything yet? If he died the buzzards should be circling pretty good by now - Good luck. Keep us posted.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
>You self righteous ethics police should
>get a life.

Yeah! And go to the campfire and call people you don't know "drug turds". :)

Smile nickman.

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After reading this for a few days I have sat back and wondered some things. A lot goes through my mind and wonder if those who are giving negative advice have been guilty themselves of the same thing.

Look at the situation + age of the hunter + dedication and asking for help and advice in ways to find the deer.

To me that = A hunter that took a shot hit the target and regrets not being able find the animal that was hit. So a young man via his elder seeks advice?

Along come the experts telling him to "Punch his tag". What a load of chit!!! He should have done this or that?!!

Sorry boys and I may take some heat here but in archery this is a primitive sport, these things happen. Intent and ethics come into play and I would guess the poster has some damn fine ethics based on his cry for help and suggestion.
 
Grizzly,

the shoulder blades shouldn't come into play with either a 1/4ing away or toward shot. Check out a deers anatomy. If you are hitting the blade you are using the wrong pin.

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Verry unfortunate situation ! That being said i also have a young hunter 13 years old 6'1" 185 and his bow is set at 68 pounds BUT he is not ready to be taking any shots beyond 40 yards as for knowing better he did take hunters education and being a hunters ed instructor we use a flash card on shoot or dont shoot demonstrations the buck on the video is in the exact position as the dont shoot flash cards i show my students regardless of range age or experience as for the video it should have never been posted on here by his uncle who threw him under the buss.
 
Nope not found nothin yet.we have searchedfor weeks now with no luck.I think the shot wasnt a kill shot after all.I hope to see him again on the muzzleloader to put him down for good.elknr
 
Hey longshooter,i didnt throw my nephew under the bus.I was simply asking for opinions on if this deer was going to die or not.I dont think asking for help should be so wrong.I was trying to help him out and personally helped look for a week.Dont think i hurt him at all.But i know he has heard it enough from me to think about that kind of shot before he takes another shot that far.I think some people should keep some of there opinions to there selves and try to look at what i posted on asking a simple question,Not whether or not he is a sportsman for not taggin the deer that he didnt find,thats not what i asked.Oh well I kinda figured it would get like this after i posted.My nephew hasnt read any of this so im glad for that.he is goin to think about that shot next time thats for sure....
 
Elknr, I'm glad that you are teaching your nephew about what to do in this type of situation. It is an unfortunate situation, but it does happen. It sounds like you guys made a good effort to try and find the deer. I would not take it personal about how others on MM have replied to your post. Some people are idiots, plain and simple. I think that the key thing is that a valuable lesson was learned. Whether it was a long shot, bad shot, bad angle, difficult shot, or whatever else, there was a lesson learned. And I think that when that situation presents itself again you nephew will do the right thing. for some people it takes a lot longer to learn that lesson. Anyway, that was just my two cents, good luck to you and your nephew......Smitty
 
If he is able to shoot a good pattern at that distance and get good penetration. Then why not take the shot?

Sometimes you mess up when your bowhunting. Give him a break. He is 15.
 
Any luck on finding him? Tell the kid not to get to down about it, it happens to everybody if they hunt long enough.
 
>Hey longshooter,i didnt throw my nephew
>under the bus.I was simply
>asking for opinions on if
>this deer was going to
>die or not.I dont think
>asking for help should be
>so wrong.I was trying to
>help him out and personally
>helped look for a week.Dont
>think i hurt him at
>all.But i know he has
>heard it enough from me
>to think about that kind
>of shot before he takes
>another shot that far.I think
>some people should keep some
>of there opinions to there
>selves and try to look
>at what i posted on
>asking a simple question,Not whether
>or not he is a
>sportsman for not taggin the
>deer that he didnt find,thats
>not what i asked.Oh well
>I kinda figured it would
>get like this after i
>posted.My nephew hasnt read any
>of this so im glad
>for that.he is goin to
>think about that shot next
>time thats for sure....


Hey, Great effort on lookin for that buck. I think you set an example for all bowhunters. And by the way its so easy for people to be aholes at the key board! Again I am so impressed with your effort. hats off!
 
Hey thanks guys for all your Help and offers to help look.But i think this deer must still be runnin.I dont take it to personal from what some guys say.Since its like you guys say,its easy to act like an ahole from a keyboard,and not ever finding out who they are.Anyway thanks to those who helped.Elknr
 
I was kind of thinking that - looks like you guys put in the effort to find him and just couldn't do it, your nephew will learn from this. These are good experiences and he will become a better more ethical hunter because of it. Looks like you tried to teach him how to do it right as best you could and he just made a typical human error on the shot placement.

I had a kind of similar event happen to me when I was 17 on a rifle hunt. I was sitting over a canyon from the rim watching the sun rise and heard some shooting and yelling coming form the other side. I saw the hunter running through the trees first and then I saw the buck come running out with his guts hanging down from a huge hole in his side. It was clear that the wound was fatal, but would kill him slowly. At the time, the area I was hunting was a 3 pt. or better area and this buck was a nice big 2 pt with a barely legal 3rd point on one side that I could clearly see shining in the early sunlight as it bounced across the canyon. I yelled to the hunter, who was about 30, and told him where I could see his buck and that it was going to come right by me. I asked him if he wanted me to help him put it down and he yelled back "yes". So I had a great broadside shot so I took it and hit him just above the heart but took out both lungs. Well the buck didn't go down as it was already surging adrenaline, but I knew the shot was good and sure enough, when the guy got over there we began tracking the buck and had a really good blood trail, with good frothy blood and pieces of lung. I told the guy that I would stay on the track and that he should head down the bottom of this side canyon / wash where the buck was headed in case I pushed him down to him. He agreed and we split up. About that time I heard someone from the other side of the canyon yell "RUSSELL!" and I asked the guy if they were yelling for him. He said that it was his dad and that he would answer him when we found the buck. Well, we split up, I went high following the track and he went low and sure enough, the buck was heading for the bottom of the side canyon / wash and I thought for sure we would meet up at the dead deer. I kept on tracking the buck until I found him but when I got there, "Russell" was no where to be found. Apparently, he had seend the buck from the bottom and began to question its legality and sneaked away like a coward.I even yelled back for him, but got no reply. So there I am, a 17 year old kid all alone with a dead, barely legal gutshot deer that wasn't mine. Well I began to take care of the deer and pretty soon my dad came and found me as he had heard the shots and the yelling. I told him what happened and he went back to the canyon rim and began yelling for "Russell" to come back and get his deer. He was pretty mad at the dude and wouldn't let me put my tag on the deer. We took care of the buck and hung it in a tree as the weather was pretty cool and the meat would keep fine. Then we went drving around to a bunch of different camps on the other side of the canyon looking for "Russell" but we never found him. Finally, we found a game warden and my dad told him what happened. I thought for sure I was going to get a ticket becuase the deer was probably not legal and because I didn't tag it after I killed it - even though I only ended its life earlier than the original hunter's shot would have. I was just sick about the whole thing and would have taken the ticket too because I knew that was the most ethical and moral thing to do - even if my dad wouldn't allow me to tag it. But, the warden drove around to where we told him the deer was hanging and said he couldn't find it - so no evidence, no ticket. Guess he either didn't look hard enough, didn't really care about it, or didn't want to go on the same wild goose chase we had been on looking for "Russell", or he didn't think I was legally liable. Whatever the reason behind his decision, when he told me "no evidence" I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut and accept it.

I guess the warden gave me a break but I did learn some valuable lessons about ethics though. First - will I ever "help" another hunter finish off his deer? NOPE.

Will I ever help another hunter track his deer? YES - but I will make sure the cowardly bastard sticks around to see it through.

Will I "punch my tag" after wounding an animal - NO, not until I find him dead and can claim the body.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 

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