BURRIS BUCK

[eldorado]

The thread posted by IBeaumont11 titled "Henry Mts. WR Typ" made
me think long and hard about the possibility of the Burris buck
ever being topped. I came to the sobering conclusion that given
the current big game management practices of most western wild-
life dept.'s to produce more elk, have fewer LE deer units, and weak predator control programs, that the possibility of a rack
ever surpassing 226' NET, is incomprehensible and improbable.
The fact that no buck since 1972 has come close much less break the record is truly amazing given that the whitetail typical re-
cord has already fallen and may fall again.
So special is the Burris buck that no other N.A. trophy, perhaps
excluding the Chadwick ram, compares in its significance as one
of the greatest trophy's ever to be taken.
Will we ever see in our life time the Burris buck topped? Doubt-
ful, given the present big game management practices coupled with
the continuing loss of so much prime deer habitat.

ELDORADO

 

[sageadvice]

I don't know, My personal feelings are that it will be topped in the next 5 years or so. It's a stupid argument to get into really though because whether it will or won't be beaten can not be known until that length of time has passed.

The high country of South Western Colo, Just saying...

Joey

 

[eldorado]

sageadvice, just curious what makes you feel that the
Burris buck will be topped in the next 5 years or so
when the record has stood for now 38 years. Just ask-
ing for the sake of good debate.

ELDORADO

 

[Moondog]

I don't think you want to say never, especially when it comes to record book animals.

However, with the game being managed the way it is, you might have a point. On the other side of it, you simply cannot predict that an animal might not be out there that would top the current mark.

The thing about the Burris buck is that it NETS at 226 typical. In a way, that is an obscene number.

 

[sageadvice]

I made my opinion(s) known for "Debates sake". Take it or leave it, i care not.

Good luck

Joey

 

[Devlin]

Doesn't Kurt Darner have a Buck they call Toms Buck that was given to him from a family friend that passed away that would be the new number 1 but b and c won't let in be put in the book.I read a story a long time ago about it.Someone else probably remembers the story better then me and can tell you more.

 

[BCBOY]

It was only 4 or 5 years ago I recall the same thread here on MM concerning the idea of whether or not we'd ever see another 300 incher hit the dirt in our lifetimes because the last one was from Cali in the early 80's. Hmmm, I wonder if those that thought it could never happen again like the taste of crow?

 

[justr_86]

Houdini was 322 wasn't he? Arizona strip 2 years ago?

 

[montanamuley85]

All those record book animals are freaks in a way. A new freak could pop up any time

 

[BomberBlackies]

I believe Lees Buck (TOMS) was the buck that B&C wouldn't touch. I do know of another one that has a busted skull plate that would barely beat the Burris buck.
Houdini ended up netting less than 300 inches. The Lopez kid from CO was the last buck that netted over 300.
For me, the Chips Lake buck will be harder to beat than the Burris buck. I agree with Sage that its only a matter of time before the Burris buck meets it demise. If fact, it wouldn't surprise me if a buck this year topples the Burris buck. It will be from Colorado. North Central is my guess.

 

[eldorado]

Good and honest opinions. All of them. Thanks guys.

ELDORADO

 

[257Tony]

I don't see either B&C #1 Muley falling in my lifetime. I just can't imagine a Typical that would gross over 230, with no trash, and very little symmetry deductions. I also can't imagine a non typical with a 200" net frame, with more than 155" of trash to add on being killed any time soon, if ever.

 

[eldorado]

257tony, I like you would find it highly improbable that a
buck could develop a perfect mainframe big enough to over--
come any deduction and still exceed 226'NET typical.
That would require a buck with the ideal genetics,living long
enough and in near perfect living conditions,to ultimately ex-
press a rack capable of surpassing 226' NET.
Anything is possible, but the key here is NET and that has kept
the Burris buck still after 38 years the undisputed typical WR.

ELDORADO

 

[eldorado]

Correction: 226". Sorry guys.

ELDORADO

 

[Cass]

a 500" bull elk popped outa no where one year.
No one ever knows.



-Cass

 

[eldorado]

cass,is this a ranch or free roaming bull? Are we also talking
GROSS or NET?

ELDORADO

 

[ridgewalker]

The way all the hot shots are flying units these days I wouldn't be surprised if they find a buck like that..you guys dont think they are just doing a lot of hiking and hard hunting and stumbling on these huge bucks do you If there is one out there they will probably find him from the air..

 

[BomberBlackies]

or, from a quad that is off road, or high power optics two miles away, or riding a horse in the back country and possibly by the use of trail cameras. So what if its legal.

 

[BOHNTR]

The Burris buck will remain at the top seed for a long time to come, IMO.

BOHNTR )))---------->

 

[swbuckmaster]

didn't the new governors buck from Utah beat it.

There are no big bucks in Utah! LOL

 

[ridgewalker]

I agree.. If I had the time and money I'd probably be doing the same thing.. I'm just sayin, if there is a typical that big around there is a better chance he will be found and killed in this day and age.

 

[isayNUNYA]

SWbuck, 218 and some change on his frame. Nets 191 typ
241 gross.
Killed a buck a couple years ago with a 228 frame but had 10"s of extra that killed that. its # 1 or 2 world SCI typ.

 

[NV4Life]

I think this record will be hard to beat IMO. 226 net is a ridiculously huge number. I'm pretty sure there have been some nontypical bucks with some bigger net frames but after the D?s from the extras they wouldn't make it.

Wasn?t there a big buck from Mexico that had a bunch of drama around it that was close to the WR? Like brought across illegally and then the guy busted a 1?-2? inline off on the beam so it wouldn't drop the score down?I know there were a lot of replicas of that buck made.

 

[cabinfever]

dennis wintch killed a 260 buck that has a 236 typical frame. My buddy mounted the buck and I got to see it personally.It is unreal. The almost 30 inches of trash kept him from dethroning the burris buck. This buck is the far left buck (?) on the magnificent seven poster. I have not seen a bigger typical main frame ever. I think MX or the strip could produce such a buck.

 

[ICMDEER]

I don't really see a new record coming for either typical or nontypical. Possible, but highly unlikely. But I'd say that the Broder buck would be tougher to beat than the Burris buck. And if they both walked out together, I'd whack the Broder buck in an instant.

 

[Team_UNC]

its 50/50.... either it will or it wont happen. There is monster bucks and bulls out there that will live and die and never be seen by human eyes. It would be kinda foolish to think it wont be topped. Records are meant to be broken, and it happens with time.

 

[dutch]

To put "226" into perspective guys.

30 inch main beams
an INSIDE spread of 31 inches "30 7/8" to be exact
(thats the inside spread, most of us will never kill a buck with an OUTSIDE spread of 30 inches.

I can't say it will be broken in my lifetime but who knows. However I feel with the increase of hunters, fewer bigger bucks being seen, deer being pushed out of prime wintering grounds slowly, chances are lower it will be broken.

 

[eldorado]

dutch, well stated. The measurements on this buck are simply
incredible, that after 9 2/8" of total deductions, the rack
still NET's 226 4/8". That's how nearly perfect this rack is.
There have been bucks that have GROSSED greater than the Burris
buck, but in the end NETTED much less after deductions.
The Burris buck is without a doubt as near a perfect a rack ever
encountered and taken and it would seem improbable that another
near perfect rack, given the conditions needed to develop one
surpassing 226 4/8" NET typical, could be out there. Your odds
of playing the lottery would be better I would say.

ELDORADO

 

[NV4Life]

Well to me 9-2/8" in D's isn't nearly perfect. Thats quite a bit actually, which makes it even more impressive that it still netted 226". To me nearly perfect would be under an inch of D's. Yes, it is possible to have less than an inch of D's, I've held a buck in my hands that had only 7/8" in D's, and offically netted 194-4/8 and grossed 195-3/8".

 

[eldorado]

The Burris buck grossed 235 2/8" and lost 9 2/8" in total
deductions to finally net 226 4/8". That to me is nearly
a perfect rack as you can get when you consider the total
amount of bone scored vs. the amount of bone deducted for
asymmetry ( we are talking about a rack that is about 96%
free of blemishes). For the amount of bone scored and then
adjusted, I would say that 96% is near perfect.

ELDORADO

 

[NV4Life]

Like I said IMO 9" is a lot of D's for a bucks typical frame, even at 226". I haven't seen any pics of the burris buck in a long time besides the one above, does it have any extras or is it 9" of d's on the frame alone?

The buck I gave as an example is 99.5% free of blemishes; the exact same G1s, G2s, Mainbeams and Mass, the G3s had 3/8", and the G4's had 4/8" in D's. TO ME that is near perfect.

I think its more impressive that the Burris buck was still able to net 226 after taking a hit from 9" of D's.

No matter what its going to be the record for a long time.

 

[eelgrass]

Does Doug Burris still own the rack? It seems I remember it was sold?

Eel

 

[hunt30]

The Mundy buck, killed by Frank Maestas, has the biggest typical frame ever recorded at 246 Gross, 237 3/8 Net. Just a little more food for thought in an unknowable debate.

 

[eldorado]

If I am not mistaken, the famed Mundy buck has an official
B&C score of 288 6/8" NET non-typical ( 297 3/8" GROSS non-
typical )and is the second largest non-typical ever taken
in N.M.

 

[kilowatt]

Eelgrass....The BURRIS BUCK is owner and remounted I believe as a full body mount with CABELA'S.

Brian
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[BrowningRage]

I'm not saying that the buck you are talking about isn't a magnificent buck (In fact, it sound like my DREAM BUCK). And having only .5% in deductions is incredible...
However, to be in the same class as the Burris buck, your example would probably need 2 more years of optimal growth to reach the same kind of numbers as the Burris Buck. The hunter who harvested the buck you used as an example couldn't pass him up due to his obviously phenomenal genetics- My question is, "Who could?" If he put on 25" of perfectly symmetrical bone by the following year, he would still be 7" short of the record. "Who could pass him up as a 220" Net typical...?" Nobody...
And this is the point of the post... Can an animal really survive long enough, with at least 96% perfect genetics, under optimal growth conditions, in order to dethrone the Burris Buck...??

My answer is No... But I wouldn't mind killing the deer that tries...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24

 

[TheKnack]

LAST EDITED ON Sep-15-10 AT 05:41PM (MST)[p]Never say never...
Hopefully it will be a buck taken by an unknown in the hunting world.
I forsee contraversey on a Mexico giant showing up trying to be entered that was pen raised as many outfits out there are doing right now.