Found Bookcliffs Buck

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I found an archery buck in the books elk hunting, give me location and broadhead type and I will tell you where it is at.
 
Would you Please take a second look & make sure it was an arrow that ended this bucks life?

This rarely happens according to the StickFlippin crowd!:D

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Must be in a bad moode this morning. I rarely reply to "these types" of messages, but.... just tired of the anit-archery threads.

I spent the opening weekend of the muzzy elk/deer hunt in the Bookcliffs with a friend of mine, found dead deer that were killed by muzzy's and were either left or people couldn't find them. Strange thing is, they were out in the open, not hard to find - small bucks.

And NO,they were not archery deer.

-Kevin
 
Robinhood, look who is placing blame now!

I think we can all agree that deer do get wounded and lost from all the ways to take them but Archery guys do have a soft spot for any criticism due their way when it is expressed in these pages. I've seen it a hundred times, one guy mentions that deer hunting with a bow and arrow results in more that it's fair share of lost bucks and twenty guys jump in, just like you did, to point their finger at the "other guys."

I myself hunted with a Bow for 5-6 seasons before giving up the sport after we lost several good bucks with well placed shots. Cry all you want to but it's not going to change my mind, a larger % of well hit deer are going to get away being shot with a arrow, than any other way.

I hope the original poster is successful in helping someone recover their buck. Good show, well done!!!

Joey
 
Bop_a_lu or whatever your name is,

There is more than one post over in the elk forum form muzzy/rifle hunters asking for help with lost game. I thought you were ethics police!! Get over there and POLICE damnit!! :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-11-10 AT 01:19PM (MST)[p]SageAdvice,
Don't know why some on here have to place blame on any "one" group. Any hunter is going to lose an animal at some point. I will tell you one thing your "well placed shots" that you lost deer on were not well placed or you would have recovered them regardless the weapon. Maybe you need to look at a hunters ability and skill level more than the weapon he is using. Lots of deer and elk never even get a second thought from rifle hunters if they don't go down or act wounded immediately because it is too far to walk.
 
Obsessed says, "SageAdvice,"
"Don't know why some on here have to place blame on any "one" group."

Then later he says, "Lots of deer and elk never even get a second thought from "rifle hunters" if they don't go down or act wounded immediately because it is too far to walk."

Hypocrite! Here you don't know why "some on here" put blame, then here you are putting blame on rifle hunters! Thanks for making my point!!

Joey
 
Maybe the post was too long for you to read it all. I said every hunter is eventually going to lose an animal. I added the rifle hunters bit because you had clearly already pointed out the archery hunters. Your name always pops up when this topic comes around and you always criticize the archery hunters. Looks like you didn't have what it takes to be an archer so now you bash them every chance you get!
 
Obsessed, take cheap shots and think what you want, i doubt that you could have walked in my steps through the past 45+ years of buck hunting.

Some of my best friends are Archery guys, damn fine ones, and among the best hunters that i know.

Something i'm curious about, When a guy shoots a animal with a bow and he runs off to die, do you give him a half or full hour before you track blood to find the animal? If so, and i'm thinking general hunts here, aren't there tons of other hunters that might claim your kill before you get to it? Purpose of my question, i'm thinking too many guys don't feel that they can safely leave the animal out of sight long enough for it to die so end up bumping it up. Just a thought, maybe not valid.

Joey
 
Sorry but an animal will not walk away from a well placed arrow, bullet, spear. But they will walk away from a bad shot no matter what make and model you shot them with.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-11-10 AT 02:29PM (MST)[p]Dry_boot said, "Sorry but an animal will not walk away from a well placed arrow, bullet, spear."

You are so FOS! :) So they all just drop on the spot eh? That's just too funny!! Lol

Joey
 
>Sorry but an animal will not
>walk away from a well
>placed arrow, bullet, spear.
>But they will walk away
>from a bad shot no
>matter what make and model
>you shot them with.

A BIG +1 one_dry!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-11-10
>AT 02:29?PM (MST)

>
>Dry_boot said, "Sorry but an animal
>will not walk away from
>a well placed arrow, bullet,
>spear."
>
>You are so FOS! :) So
>they all just drop on
>the spot eh? That's just
>too funny!! Lol
>
>Joey

I dont think that is the point he was trying to make! An animal WILL ABSOULETLY NOT walk away and LIVE from a well placed shot by an arrow, bullet... It may walk away but will die sooner or later. It is THE HUNTERS DUE DILIGENCE to follow up on the shot and track the animal that has probably dropped within a hundred yards or less if it was A well Placed Shot.









YOUR FAT!! DON'T TRY AND SUGAR COAT IT OR YOU WILL EAT THAT TOO!!
 
Come on sage, save the jokes for the Campfire!

You know dang well if you hit them in the vitals they will die a quick death and you will recover the animal!

Do I need to Splain it so my 2 year old can understand?:)
 
>Something i'm curious about, When a
>guy shoots a animal with
>a bow and he runs
>off to die, do you
>give him a half or
>full hour before you track
>blood to find the animal?
>If so, and i'm thinking
>general hunts here, aren't there
>tons of other hunters that
>might claim your kill before
>you get to it? Purpose
>of my question, i'm thinking
>too many guys don't feel
>that they can safely leave
>the animal out of sight
>long enough for it to
>die so end up bumping
>it up. Just a thought,
>maybe not valid.
>
>Joey


TO me that is just a cop out. I am not the least bit worried about somebody claiming my kill.. It has never happened to me and hoepefully never will. If you are a road hunter you may end up having a problem with this, but that is your own damn problem, get of the freaking road and go to the area less traveled.

If I take a shot and dont hit the animal exactly where I want to, then it is my responsibility to not push that animal. I will always give more time for an animal to die if If i think it was hit poorly. If it is a very good shot and I can confirm that by watching the animal run off through my glass or have a buddy to help confirm then I will still give it at least 45 minutes unless I can hear the death kick or watch the animal tip over.








YOUR FAT!! DON'T TRY AND SUGAR COAT IT OR YOU WILL EAT THAT TOO!!
 
!
>
> You know dang
>well if you hit them
>in the vitals they will
>die a quick death and
>you will recover the animal!
>

Just a rib shot here....

Sageadvice hasnt learned this in his 45+ years of hunting because it has never happened to him!!!! Especially with a Bow!









YOUR FAT!! DON'T TRY AND SUGAR COAT IT OR YOU WILL EAT THAT TOO!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-11-10 AT 04:17PM (MST)[p]You Guys!! This thread isn't about me though i voiced my opinion. You guys are welcome to your own opinions but instead of attacks on me, why not address the issue?

Again as i said up in my origional post;

"I think we can all agree that deer do get wounded and lost from all the ways to take them but Archery guys do have a soft spot for any criticism due their way when it is expressed in these pages. I've seen it a hundred times, one guy mentions that deer hunting with a bow and arrow results in more that it's fair share of lost bucks and twenty guys jump in, just like you did, to point their finger at the "other guys."

bckcntrybuck, edit; Thanks for the response to my question above. I know how to do it. I believe a lot of guys do. Give the animal time to bleed out, stiffen up, and expire. I just wonder though about the masses of guys that i used to see when i hunted places with too many tags given for a area and lots of those guys being young and apparently inexperienced.

Now, i hope someone finds this buck so at least the hunter can recover his lost buck!!

Joey
 
Sad to hear that you have 45 years of experience and make the comments that you do. Glad to hear you have some archery friends. If they are your friends you should know the dedication that the sport takes and maybe you can understand why some of us archers take offense to the cheap shots that you take on a regular basis at us.
To answer your question about claiming an animal, No, I have never worried about someone claiming my animal. I think more often than not a hunter is too excited to get their hands on the animal. A poorly hit animal may travel some distance even if there is no pressure put on him, but a well hit animal will usually go down fairly close to where he was hit. I usually wait atleast an hour unless I can see he is done. Even if there is another hunter in the area, it is pretty easy to show who has the bloody arrow, or whose fletchings are sticking out of the animal. When I was younger we did have this situation come up a few times when rifle hunting because it is harder to say which bullet hit the animal.
 
Obsessed says, "Sad to hear that you have 45 years of experience and make the comments that you do."

Why is that? I'm one of those guys that call it as i see it, don't ask me unless you really want to know! Then again, i'm still learning all the time so tell me i'm wrong and explain so without getting all butt sore. Mine is just one opinion that has come from time in the field and a large collection of hunting buds.

As far as posting on this subject, the "heap shots that you take on a regular basis at us", you must have a good meory because, yes, i have posted about this in the past but it's been a good while. There has been quite a few threads on the subject that i've not posted at all on because i know the knee jerk reaction and insults, like the ones here, will soon follow.

Still, i'll speak my mind from time to time and unless banned, i will continue to do so.

Joey
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-11-10 AT 04:41PM (MST)[p]Nutsaboutbucks,
I think it's great that you put this out there for everyone to read. I hope somebody steps forward, you'll will certainly make their day. It's good to see that there are a few class acts like you that take the time to post this kind of information.
 
Wow this not how I wanted this thread to go!!!! Adrenaline you are completely correct, somebody waited a long time for this tag, and I hope they did not just wash their hands of this and keep hunting.
 
Sage, if you don't mind, I would like to address this subject and set the record straight in what I have seen and observed through the years. It's much different than your take!

I was born and raised in Wyoming and started hunting as a very young kid. I shot ground squirrels almost daily as a young boy and I was around guns from an early age. I began big game hunting at 14 and have hunted every single year since that time, and for many years it was with a rifle. In 1971 I gave up rifle hunting and have strictly bow hunted since that time.

I tell you that so you can see where I am coming from. I am a die hard bowhunter, no doubt about that, but I try hard to look at all segments of hunting in a fair way and this has been my observation through the years.

Bowhunter?s do wound and lose critters, there is no doubt about that. But so do muzzleloaders and rifle hunters and I truly believe at a rate that is greater than that of the bowhunter.

Bowhunting takes a bad rap, because in many cases, when you find a dead critter, you can also see an arrow in the animal. That gives bowhunting a black eye. The same can not be said for animals that die from bullets or slugs. If a boy darts a duck, it hits the news, because its something that is so visible, but a duck suffering a wound from a BB or pellet gun will never be seen on the screen. There is a huge difference in perception just because a dart or an arrow is so visible where as bullet isn't.

Most bowhunter?s know when they hit a deer, because in most cases the shot is taken within a close range. (60 yards or less) Many rifle hunters don't have a clue they even hit an animal unless the animal falls within their sight, thus wounding far more animals than do bow hunter?s percentage wise. Bow hunters look for their arrow, whereas rifle and muzzy hunters, who take longer shots, many times don't check a thing unless they see the critter go down or unless they are absolutely sure they hit the animal.

With today?s rifles and scopes 400 to 800 yards shots are quite common and many animals are hit and lost without a clue to the hunter. So before anyone gets too carried away on the bow hunters, it might be best to understand the other side of the coin. Don?t cast a stone when you reside in a glass house.

I happened to take an antelope in Wyoming with my bow this year, during the rifle season. He was limping on one of his front legs. I assumed it was from an injury he obtained through a fight with another buck, but after I arrowed him and walked up to him, and I could plainly see the bullet groove right below his front knee joint. I am sure he was running hard when shot at, and I bet the hunter never even had an idea he was hit. This happens far more than most rifle hunters realize.

Long shots, at running critters will always equal hit and lost game and that principle relates to bows, muzzle loaders and rifles. But we all know that a much larger percentage of rifle hunters shoot at moving animals at long distances, than do the other two weapon choices.

So Sage, just study the facts more and I think you might end up having a different take than your present opinion.

Have a great hunt. BB
 
hey nutsboutbucks...

would you care to elaborate on the shot type (gut, neck, or other) and where you found the kill.. i/e where he went to die (rock pile, north aspect, thick timber, creek, ect.)

We all hate to cripple something, but the more we hear about how a big tough hearted animal pushed on, the more we learn. I have found cripples for others, and unfortunately lost one myself. I still think the buck died in a lower road and a roadhunter grabbed it- besides the point.

Maybe I am a wierdo, but I try to learn from how people lose out. Another question... did you smell, see birds, or spot this cripple??

And for the record.. I have traveled to the book cliffs only once for a hound pup near Orderville back in 02; definatley not my cripple.

just curious?
 
To add another point here, archery seasons always take place before the rifle an muzzy seasons. This puts most cases of a wounded critters in the spotlight of the next two hunts.

In the case of rifle and muzzy hunts, there are very few if any hunters a field after their hunts to witness any wounding. The eye witness accounts of wounded critters from other seasons will never be in the limelight as the archery hunts are and thus the basis for the unfair rap.

With that said, I know of a muzzy buck that was wounded on the Book Cliffs this year. I know the hunter spent three days searching and covered over two miles tracking before he lost the trail. He ended up taking a meat buck later in the season.

Cheers,
Pete
 
You are free to call it as you see it. Just be prepared to defend what you are claiming. I don't think it could be made any clearer to you of how wrong you are in your assumptions. BB and others brought up some very good points. I am not butt hurt, just calling things as I see them as well. I just don't understand how you can say you are "still learning all the time" and countless posts are made that show the other side of things and you don't acknowledge any of those points. You just pick a line out of the post and attack that. I am not asking you to become an archer, just don't attack the way I and so many hunters choose to pursue game.
 
buglinbilly:
You are spot on with your post. I too have the same type of child hood although I'm much younger. I Grew up with a BB gun at my bed side and rifle hunted until I was 17. Givin the right chance I would still rifle hunt but, choose to bow hunt to ex cape the crouds of rifle hunting.

Archery season is longer, we see more game and have less people.
Look at the Wasatch Front. Almost the same buck to doe ratio as the Hennerys. And Thousands of people hunt it every year.
I think if we had more archery only units like the Wasatch Front. More of us would pick up a bow, especially if it was a unit with more horse, atv, or road access. Can you imagine if the Book Cliffs was archery only!! We could give 3 times the tags, draw every 3-4 years and maybe even have a archery rut hunt. How FUN would that be? Even if you are a die hard rifle hunter you have to admit we would have 10 times the oppertunity if the tags where split more like a 1/3 Archery, muzzy, rifle.

I know I was a little off topic. Just my opinion, I'm not trying to offend anyone. So back on topic, I have wounded two bucks in my life one with my bow and one with my rifle. I did end up finding my rifle buck two days later although he was spoiled. I made a bad shot on the archery buck because I hit a tree branch and hit him high. I waited several hours before looking for him, then I had the worst luck as it started to snow, and covered up any sign I had to find him. I still continued to look for several days but never found him. :(



You can't kill them on the couch!
 
As someone who hunts with all weapon types and is completely unbiased as I enjoy hunting will all three weapons for different species at different times I find these arguments amusing. Archery hunters always point out rifle hunters shooting great distances and not checking to see if they hit anything. Rifle hunters complain about inexperiences archers flinging arrows all over the place and having deer running around with arrows sticking out of them. And one or the other will bring up an example of a muzzie hit animal that got away. Responsible, ethical, and experienced hunters in each weapon group rarely have an animal get away. Inexperienced hunters have wounded animals escape with each of the weapons but probably at a greater rate the tougher the weapon to master and the more outdoor skills needed to recover an animal. (I/E Bow) All things being equal a very experienced hunter who has mastered all three weapons would be more likely to lose an animal with a bow in my opinion because there are more variables. Does this opinion make me anti archery? I would like to see some guys who hunt multiple weapons chime in because guys who only hunt one weapon have to much bias towards that weapon and against the other weapons groups. Just my 2 cents
 
I hunt all 3 weapon types, but am primarily a bowhunter. The bottom line is wounding happens with every weapon and will happen to EVERYONE at some point in their hunting career. It does no good for anyone to whine about bowhunters, rifle hunters, or muzzy hunters. Bbop and a few others like to stir it up on this issue every year for some reason, but really what good does it do to argue about it??

The only thing you can control is yourself, so do the right thing ANYTIME you shoot at an animal with any weapon. Pay attention when you shoot, always check for a hit, give the animal time to expire as needed, and give the due dilligence and effort required to find the animal EVERYTIME-we owe that to the animal we hunt. If we all spent more time worrying about ourselves and less about others we would get more accomplished I think :)
 
WOW!

This has to be the all-time ugliest thread I have ever read.

:-(

What is this site turning into???

GrizlyHunter
 
You can't argue with the numbers. Archers admit to wounding and not recovering more animals than hunters using blackpowder or rifles.

Does some wounding loss happen with all weapons? Yes.
Does it happen more with a bow than any other weapons type? Yes. Does pointing fingers at rifle and muzz hunters that have wounded animals nullify or justify the disproportionate wounding rate of archery hunters? No.

Not saying we should get rid of bow hunting or anything. But, stop denying the truth or trying to deflect criticism. Archers wound and loose more animals that hunters using other weapons. So, archers are going to have to take some crap over it. Don't make excuses or point fingers at other groups. Man up, take your lumps, and as a group, try to get better.

Dax
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-13-10 AT 09:53PM (MST)[p]I hunt with a bow and a rifle and don't have any idea of how many animals are wounded and lost with any weapon. I don't think anyone does. Just a lot of opinions. I think long shots are a problem with all weapons. When I got into bow hunting 20 years or so ago, 40 yards was a rarer long shot in the circles I was in. That included both a hunter and target league, so a decent number of bow hunters.

Its all been said before. Most rifle hunters probably shouldn't be taking many shots out past 200-300 yards. Most bow hunters probably shouldn't be taking shots out past 30-40 yards. I'm not a muzzy guy so don't know on that one.

I say that realizing that there are many hunters proficient with their weapons at greater distances, in hunting situations, but unfortunately many more are not. Lack of follow through, poor tracking skills, pushing animals, etc... are not doubt factors to.
 
Soooo, did anyone wound and lose a deer on the bookcliffs hunt? If so, please respond here as Nutsaboutbucks may have found your deer. That is what this thread is about.
 
Good Freaking Grief, what a bunch of "Old Ladies" This is worse than a bad episode of Jerry Springer!!! nutsaboutbucks found a deer and is attempting to help the shooter find it. I don't think he started a thread arguing the ethics of shooting and retrieving game with various weapon types.
 
We all know what the thread started out as, but just like you commented because you saw something that bothered you, we felt the same about some of the earlier posts and did the same.
 
I want to thank the people who realy care about fellow hunters and the game they chase, the rest of you bitchen about weapons and wounding game add fuel to the fire for people who want to stop hunting. I started this thread like I said before to help somebody who lost a trophy, not to start a war about weapons!
 
I could not find one I used a wasp 75 grain broadhead. between
south canyon and railroad just off the main road
 
sharpblade
the arrow was broke with no fleching, but it was not a wasp broadhead, or near Railroad but thank you for your reply.
 

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