Why did the Book Cliffs crash

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-10 AT 06:16PM (MST)[p]Here's what I remember. I hunted there every year since I started hunting, untill it was closed. It used to be that it took 3 good hours (2+ hours of rough road) to get to where we hunted. The paved road ended at Bonanza. There were some roads throughout the area for access. Not a lot and they weren't great. We would camp for a week+, seeing good bucks every day, and between 3 or 4 of us, at least 1 of us saw a 30"+ buck each year. We usually saw only a couple other camps all season. Then there was a little road construction done. That cut the drive from 3 rough hours to 1 not-so-bad hour. There were roads built, on and off, eventually giving access by vehicle to nearly every ridge (mostly oil field). Each year we saw more people & fewer deer, but we still saw good bucks. I don't remember EVER seeing an elk out there until the late-80's/early 90's. Then the decline really began. It was apparent that each year was worse than the one before. The DWR decided to make the area 3-point or better. That was the year that almost everybody and their dogs showed up. I guess they thought there would be big bucks behind every tree. It was something to behold. The decline accelerated, with mature, less-than-4-point bucks showing up and becoming more common each year, with a few REALLY big 2-points having their run of the place. The DWR decided 3-point or better was a bust, so they opened it up to any buck. Then EVERYBODY and their dogs showed up. I guess they figured there would be bucks behind every tree. Each year declined until there wasn't a buck to be found. There were those in denial who said "there's nothing wrong. You just have to hunt harder". The Book Cliffs was closed. The elk hunt was better than ever before.
So, changes I saw leading up to the crash were easier access, hunter pressure and a growing elk herd.
Mother nature? I don't know. I remember chasing deer in Oct. in a foot of snow when there were deer everywhere in the '70's and early '80's. After that, until the crash, I don't think there was a winter that hard. In fact, in the late 80's I remember muzzleloader hunting in a t-shirt in November.
Predators? I don't think so. I'd bet there are 10 times more predator hunters out there now days than there used to be. I can't imagine anyone driving 3 hours on that old road to shoot a coyote or chase a lion.
 
Well!!!

If you don't think anybody will travel that road to chase a Lion you might take a trip out there & check things out!

So we over hunted an area as big as the Book Cliffs so hard it had to be closed?

We couldn't see it coming in prior years?

Looks like PISS POOR MANAGEMENT to me!

One more thing to think about!

When the DWR closed the Book Cliffs,them 30,000 hunters ventured to other areas/units that were already suffering,smart,real smart!

Nope,I'm not a Biologist with 10-12 years worth of Brainwashing!





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>If you don't think anybody will
>travel that road to chase
>a Lion you might take
>a trip out there &
>check things out!

I know they hunt the crap out of the lions now. I meant I don't think they hunted them much when the road was so crappy.
 
Difference is!

Back then there were way less Hounders & Some Big Toms still around!

Now somebody kills an 80 pound PISSCUTTER female they parade it around like it's some kind of Trophy!



God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
the steadily increase in tags every year don't help, and with the ute tribe passing threw on there way to hill creek don't help, they seem to shoot where ever they please, reguardless if they have a book cliffs tag or tribal tag...and that is a soar subject with the north eastern d.w.r...the tribal issues......
 

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