tag cuts

[tstewy]

Ok so we know tag cuts are coming in 2012 so i think that they should cut the 13000 like this 80% rifle 15% muzzy and 5% bow. Just wanted to know what you guys think? That way all weapon types fell the cut but the more primitive weapons have less of a cut i feel rifle needs the biggest cut based on amount of tags and harvest rate .

 

[cjg_beef]

I think it's funny how the bow hunters rag on the rifle hunters and visa versa. Aren't we all hunters? I think a cut in tags is a bad thing but if it's needed it should be felt equally between the any weapon, muzzleloader, and archery.

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[AWHOLELOTTABULL]

I think the DWR jumped to premature conclusions with regards to the need for tag cuts. They can split up the number of hunters they have right now into the 29 different units. Everyone is focusing on the 29 units as if we cut out a bunch of acreage. Unless the wildlife board shrunk the state while I wasn't listening, we are still dealing with the same amount of huntable acres. So whether it's 5 regions or 29 units, you can still place the same amount of hunters in this state. The only difference is that people may not be able to hunt their own special spots every year. You may have to travel North or South.


It's always an adventure!!!

 

[ElmerFudd]

If the cuts make it so there are people sitting out and waiting...They ought to try and factor in demand in the tag cuts so the wait between tags is about the same no matter the weapon of choice...

 

[Robiland]

Everyone is preaching tag cuts. Well, if they think we should cut tags to help the deer herd, then we should even out the # of tags of the different weapons. 84,000 tags should be 40% rifle 30% muzzy tags and 30% archery tags.

Rifle tags= 33,600
Muzzy tags= 25,200
Archery = 25,200.

More primitive tags will give more bucks the chance to live where the success rate is much lower than that of the 1000 yard rifle, which I like to do all three hunts.

 

[brutus]

More primative tags equals more wounded deer with most of the public. At least with a rifle they'res less deer wounded and not found. Not everyone out there with a bow or muzzleloader takes ethical shots so lets quit pretending that they do. Every hunter will wound a deer in they're life but archers will wound more than rifle hunters because they're margain of error is so small. They have 1000 yd rifles but archers are taking 100+ yard shots at animals. Not much difference to me. Both stupid shots for 99% of the public that dont practice those kind of shots.

 

[elkun]

no . no no no no no no no and hell no..

 

[travishunter3006]

brutus... you are a retard. i shot and killed one buck this year. everyone that i hunt with shot and killed one deer. no wounded bambi's running off. 100 yard shot are possible, but most guys dont take those shots anyways. the majority of guys only have pins out to 60 yards and won't take a shot farther thatn that. You get more trigger happy hillbillies crackin off shots at deer at whatever the yardgage wounding deer.

I dont think that wounded deer play a major roll in tag cuts either.

 

[tstewy]

by the way i am a rifle hunter but the tag cuts will do the most with good by cutting rifle tags.

 

[nebo12000]

The DWR will determine the number of tags for each unit based on the number of hunters that normally hunt in that unit. Then they will take the units that are below 18 bucks/100 does and start cutting tags in those units until they get to the magical number that will decrease the number of anticipated buck harvest on that unit so that within 3 years it will have at least 18/100, then they will increase the tags back up to the originally established number of tags.The increase in tags could happen in one year or they may do it gradually over several years. If the buck doe ratio goes below 18/100 in any one year it will automatically have a tag reduction for at least 3 years. That is the way I understand it will work.

 

[Tree]

Hmmm, I understood it as the units must be at 25/100 to start adding tags. Maybe this refers to additional tags on top of what they would give out if any given unit is at 18/100?

 

[Rackster]

You guys are something. You keep talking about taking opportunity away from rifle hunters, and then when a rifle hunter says "screw you", you say "Chillout man, what are you all bent out of shape for?" Good grief!! If you don't want to hear rifle hunters gripe about bow hunters, then quit trying to take their opportunity way!!!! tags need to be cut equally straight across the board.......no preference for bow hunters.

Tstew, you say you are a rifle hunter and thats fine. Actually I havn't takin a deer in Utah with a rifle for over 15 years. It is not my preferred weapon of choice. You will not save that many bucks by going archery. Check the harvest success stats for archery. It isn't that much lower than rifle. Check them out, I think you will be surpised. There is too much high tech equipment out there on bows now that has made the success rate go way up. Check it out.

 

[ElmerFudd]

Fairest way is simple. Make it so the wait between tags is the same no matter the chosen weapon time. Use demand, success rates of each weapon, and acceptable harvest to figure the distribution and number of tags between weapon type. That's the best and fairest use of limited public resources...

 

[fishon]

There are more total bucks shot and wounded and lost every year with rifles then with Archery equipment.

That is true in EVERY STATE..... Think about it Mr. BRUTUS, there are a lot more rifle hunters. C'mon dude, lay off the pipe. It's not New Years yet.

Tony Abbott
www.myfreehunts.com
The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.

 

[swbuckmaster]

give every weapon the same amount of tags so its fair across the board. Then if you want to cut tags do it even across the board.

Then you could call it fair!!

The harder you work the luckier you get!!

 

[brutus]

Thunter3006, thats great you took a deer with your bow this year but maybe you practiced a little too. Just because none of the people you hunted with didnt wound a deer doesnt mean everyone puts that kinda effort into shooting they're bow. When I referenced 100 yd bow shots I was responding to a remark about 1000 yd rifles. Didnt say a few people couldnt make those shots, just said most people cant. Especially with a bow. If i were your size I would be careful who I called a retard bigboy!

Fishon, I'm sayin PER HUNTER archers will wound more animals than rifle hunters. Simply because their isnt as much room for error with a bow as a rifle. At least to acquire a rifle tag a person has to pass a shooting test. Archers do not. With a bow a guy can ride down the road and find plenty of 2 points that time of year and the occasional 4 point to shoot at. So they can shoot and shoot until they finally kill one.
Never said total number of wounded deer for archers was greater than rifle hunters. I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant.

 

[rackman]

man all of these posts are getting old.

 

[AWHOLELOTTABULL]

Apparently not too old rackman. You're reading them and posting on them.


It's always an adventure!!!

 

[rackman]

Lol, True! This is actually the first one I have posted on. Its just crazy how many posts we have on here of the same thing.

 

[PleaseDear]

33% to each weapon of choice and 1% to a hunt all seasons draw.

Robb

 

[WORKNMAN]

+1

 

[WORKNMAN]

>33% to each weapon of choice
>and 1% to a hunt
>all seasons draw.
>
>Robb


Sounds good to me, but unfortunately it will never happen!! Although it probably should. How about we divide up the L.E. Elk tags that way also. Maybe the quality of the herds wouldnt be droping off so much either.