Let Me Hunt Deer in Utah Every Year!!!!!!

[TROPHYROCK]

LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-10 AT 10:00PM (MST)[p]Hi Guys-

I seldom post on this site, but enjoy getting on it and browse.
I appreciate forums like MonsterMuleys where western hunters can communicate.

Who likes to sit on the bench? Not me!!!
I prefer to be in the ball game. I don't want to sit on the pine every other year or every two years! Do You?

Option#1...
I would prefer if we were given one deer permit in 2012, for example, and it is good for two years not just one year.

If you kill the first year, your done and can't hunt the second year. This way a meat hunter or mature buck hunter has the opportunity to hunt two years in a row if he wishes and not have to sit out and pretend he is a fisherman or golfer in the Fall. You can shoot the first year too if you wish.

Option#2....
I see us getting closer in this state to drawing a deer permit in 2012 and having to sit out in 2013 to give another a chance to hunt who didn't draw in 2012, or not drawing in 2012 and totally sitting it out until the 2013 season.

For a man that loves to hunt, I would take option # 1 over #2, any day! I would even be willing to pay more $ for Option #1 vs. option #2.

I like to be in the woods and I look for options that increase that opportunity to hunt without over harvesting the resource.

If it gets to where it is a drawing every third year, I would still prefer a one buck permit good for three seasons vs. sitting out two years fishing for two years before I get to hit the hills and hunt deer in Utah again.

For meat hunters option 1 and 2 is the same for them, they are only going to be able to harvest one buck in two years. Right? So unless the permit costs more or something, a meat hunter shouldn't care which option.... correct?

I have had a dedicated hunter permit and love to hunt every year.
I think I have only taken 3 bucks in 10 years of hunting. Let me hunt more in the future I ask, don't turn me into a fisherman. I am a hunter and one that understands there will be a time in the near future we can't have a buck tag every year.

Those on this site, what is your preference #1 or #2?
Right now #2 is going to be the reality in a few years I am afraid.

Do any of you see a downsides to option #1 if option #2 becomes the norm for us in Utah? What are they?

I would hope this begins to be discussed in hunting circles.
So that when the time comes for us to have to go to option #2, we see a better option for us to hunt more.

-Blake

 

[tstewy]

First off i dont think any one actually hunts for meat anymore if they do i would like to see there recipts and i'll sell them beef pork or chicken for cheeper. Having said that i think the whole hunting every year thing is blown out of porportion i think you might not be able to hunt in your spot every year but i think it might end up being like 3 out of 5 or 2 out of three in the popular areas for it to every other year in they would have had to dip alot more than 13000. You might get your second choice or pick up a leftover tag somewhere. But we will see i dont think there is any person who know how long it will take. to get the numbers where they want them i plan on hunting next year and maybe not getting a deer tag all the time. There are also other options out there as well. Elk tags are over the counter. Anterless tags are availible as well as hunting in other states. But i do like the dedicated hunter program and i think it would be a tuff sell for the state and for hunters. to hunt two years and get one buck. there might be a increase in poaching based on that plan. I am for option 2 but i also plan on hunting more than just utah so i think that those whose finaces don't allow them to hunt other states might be getting a little screwed but like i said there are other options than deer in our state.

 

[hornkiller]

lmfao good luck with your headline!

 

[B_BOP_A_LU_LU]

"Oh,I needed the meat,so I shot a PISSCUTTER"!

"I filled my Tag"!

"He's only a Spike/2 Point/PISSCUTTER but damn you shoulda seen the body on him"!

"My freezer is Full"!

"We tagged out in the 1st 15 minutes"!

"He's just a meat Buck"!(What else could they possibly be at age 1 or 2?)

"I don't need the meat but my cousins best friends grandmothers brother does"!

"I'm entered in Utah's littlest Buck contest"!(This Buck could be worth some money)

"A little more ground shrinkage than what I figured on"!

"That can't be the Buck I was shooting at,looking through my 50 f'n power swarovski I swear he looked bigger"!

The list goes on...............................!





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[elkun]

some of you just dont get it. we didnt say we had to kill one deer every year we just want to hunt'if you could only shoot one deer in two years . how many deer would that save. way more than 13000. plus'it would keep people in the game. how much money do you spend to go 'hunting. gas . food. ect .ect.why lose hunters and thier money for no reason....

 

[DaBigBucks]

I actually like option #1. It puts the ball in your court. You can decide to kill early for a small buck or for meat and be done, or a big one which would be worth it. Or be a little picky, hunt more, maybe not kill anything but still having fun hunting.

 

[mrT]

My 2 cents is that there are a fair number of us still out there who care most about meat. Don't get me wrong, if I see a nice buck standing next to a doe I'll do the obvious and shoot the buck. And, I do spend a fair amount of money on hunting, but less than most i think (no receipts to prove it). I arrowed a nice buck in Utah this year (40$ tag I think) and two more does in wyoming (out of state doe leftover license was 35$ a piece). Enough meat for myself and my wife (an alaska native who wont eat store bought meat). I prefer to rifle hunt (more efficient), but have taken up bow hunting so that I can actually get tags. If I can't get tags here in UT, I'll move. Plain and simple. I'm not about to turn vegitarian or quit hunting. I'm not alone in this. Two of my best friends feel the same way (one already moved). Getting food off the land is important to many people in UT. Not to say antlers aren't important, but to many of us it is secondary.

 

[BBB]

Nice post MrT. I pity the fool who doesn't believe meat hunters are common in this country. The love of the hunt is the major reason why I hunt, but we don't eat store-bought meat. The meat is important, whether it is fish, poultry, or venison...as are the antlers, of course.

Don't worry I moved from Utah years back...not enough opportunity for the hunter that enjoys hunting regularly IMO.

 

[bucktaxi]

Great idea Blake, I'd start hunting UT again (my home state) if they did this. I like it.

 

[TROPHYROCK]

LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-10 AT 05:02PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-10 AT 03:36?PM (MST)

Good comments ELKUN and DABIGBUCKS!

I should have been more clear in my initial comment.
Maybe I should have called it plan A and plan B, people are thinking(and not reading carefully) when I am talking about Option 1 and 2 and they are thinking it is this recent change with states going to subunits and that I want a tag every year to shoot a young buck every year. This is a whole different topic I am talking about. ELKUN knew what I was talking about, maybe it is just reading it carefully.

This isn't about hunters who shoot the first legal buck vs. hunters who only shoot mature bucks.

Let me create a scenario- I have seen many of my Utah deer hunting friends in who have been applying for a Southern Region deer permit the last 6-7 years. They are hunting every other year or every third year and hate it. On the years they don't draw they can't hunt so they either go out with someone else and help them get their deer or they stay home and knit a pair of socks or quilt a blanket! My friends who are not dedicated hunters have hunted only 3 times in 6-7 years, the years they don't have a tag they don't hunt deer in Utah and knit baby blankets.

I hate this way of hunting in Utah. It doesn't have to be if the hunters in the state looked at it differently. We can limit the numbers of deer taken in the field and increase the amount of time they spend hunting with friends and family. I want to hunt as many back to back years as I can becuase I love to be in the field with friends and family. This is why I have been a dedicated hunter. I have hunted every year and listened to pissed off friends that don't sign up in the program. They kill as many if not more bucks as me. I have taken three great bucks
in 10 years of hunting and enjoyed each of the 10 years in the field. My muzzle and rifle buddies have hunted only 4-5 times these past ten years and taken the same # of bucks, not all of them have been mature.

I say give all hunters one buck permit in the Southern Region and give them all two or worse case three years to fill the one permit. After the two or three years are up give them another buck permit and two more years to fill it. This is better than having them wait it out for a permit with preference points.

The number of bucks taken shouldn't change much. A guy can decide if he wants to hunt more or tag out the first year and sit out the second. I see lots of benifits having a program like this in our state.

Now that we are going to subunits it would make it tougher to issue permits this way. I realize it. Colorado has subunits. For those of us who like to hunt in Colorado. I am saying I would prefer that Colorado give me a second season unit 70 permit(2011) and then give me three years to fill it(2011,12,13). Instead, I have to sit out of the game and wait until I get enough preference points again and finally draw again to hunt again.(No draw in 2011, No draw in 2012 and Yes!I Draw in 2013 and hunt in 2013)

One buck dead is one buck dead, whether it took you three years to do it or one year.

I would make a claim too that if more Utah residents hunted with one buck permit and had two or three years to fill it, an increase of mature bucks will be harvested in our state vs. hunters sitting out for two years and then finally getting a permit they feel they must fill becaue its another three years until they get to pull the trigger again. Havesting more mature bucks in Utah is not a bad thing, it is great! If you know anything about herd health and sound management practices, all of us should be trying to harvest a deer no less than three years of age, 4+ is even better. The only time bucks younger than 3 should be taken out of a herd is when you have herd populations that are just too high in # the habitat can't handle it. You guys have watched enough Lee and Tiffany to see how they manage their whitetail populations. They harvest does when there are too mnay deer. They bring in more hunters if there are too many bucks but still require them to be mature before harvesting. The young bucks get free rein of the place.
Makes for a great healthy deer population if you hunt that way.

 

[tagsoup]

It seems to me your arguement is about you being in the field evey year. I spend more time in the outdoors not hunting than I do hunting. If you want to be in the outdoors more there are lots of ways to do that. And you don't have to have a deer tag for a nine day season to do it.

 

[nv_hunter]

If you want to hunt every year its easy! Apply in every damn state!

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[TROPHYROCK]

I can't afford to apply to enough states that I can draw a hunt every year. I do apply in Colorado. I can't afford to buy a Colorado or Utah landowner permit on a good unit every year.

I don't want to hunt just to hunt if I feel there is not chance to harvest a 170+ buck.

I am a deer hunter who harvest mature bucks only, so I don't have to kill a deer every year. It usually takes me three years to take a 170 buck in Utah. I bow hunt and muzzle load mostly, so I get a kick out of chasing a big buck and if I don't get him I try again the next year to find him. I hunt the dedicated hunt because I like the 2 bucks in three years. I usually harvest 1 every 3-4 yearts to be honest. i could live with one permit every three years. I like three years to harvest a good buck vs. sitting out two years and then the thrird hope it happens.

I even let 3-4 year old 150-160 class bucks walk most of the time thinking they may be a 180 the next year if they make it back.I don't like not having a permit for a year or two. I guess I could take the camera out scouting on the years without one. I much more prefer to pack a bow or muzzle loader just in case over a camera, it takes a few years to take a 170+ buck where I hunt on the here in Utah. Yes we are still taking good bucks in UT. My brother took a 200" buck this year on the bow and another took a 30" 4x5. If this state's deer #'s can't handle me taking one mature buck every 3-4 years, we are in big trouble.

 

[Team_UNC]

The only thing keeping you guys from shooting a buck every year is your self. If you wanna hunt go out and hunt, who's stoppin you??? ha.
Team_UNC

 

[muleyslayer02]

Well said nv_hunter!!!

 

[isayNUNYA]

I like opption #3. Make 40 units, cut tags in half, raise tag prices to $300, +$25 habitat and coyote control fee with each app., front your money, 5 day seasons, issue a lion permit for those who don't draw instead of a refund.

 

[TROPHYROCK]

That's pretty good!

You know a couple Eastern states have tried requiring that you must bag a doe before you can take a buck because they have too many deer. Nice problem to have! How about in Utah one has to bag two yotes before they can cut their tag on a buck.