Antelope Island Hunt Dates

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YELUM

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I have usually made it clear that I never saw a need for an Island hunt, but after looking at the proclamation showing hunt dates (Nov 19-24), I'm pretty discusted. How much easier do they need to make it to kill a monster buck. I'm in a freakin wheelchair and am able to film these bucks from my truck during that period. With 6 days to hunt out there, both hunters will have no problem killing record book Non Typicals.

Un Freakin Believable.

Yelum
 
Well with how much they are paying it would be a shame to make them have to get out of the truck.
 
Have deer from Santa Rosa Island been accepted into B&C...??? Even if those have been, I don't really think Antelope Island deer should be accepted- there are High Fenced hunts that are much less "canned" than this hunt will be...
Maybe I'll spend those same 6 days out there attempting to pet the deer- do you think I could chase them around enough to make the tag holder's hunt more exciting...???


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
2 record book bucks are going to be killed no matter what the dates are, they should make it mid dec so the ruts over and they have finised passing on the genetics.If people are all worried about them being busted up by then oh well, its more important that they got a chance to pass on the genetics than how he will look on the wall.
 
The island doesnt need more bad PR since the wounded buffalo incident in wich the buffalo ran rampid with two arrows in it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-11 AT 10:54AM (MST)[p]I would love to be able to hunt it but serious. how proud can one really be for killing one out there? It wouldnt matter what time of year, they will kill a monster out there. I think its a pathetic hunt.
I also think it should be an archery only hunt. Make it a little tougher.
O--one
B--big
A--ass
M--mistake
A--america
 
It's all about making the most money possible. I think it's a blackeye to hunters. In an effort to sell that tag for as much as possible, they did all they could to take as much of the "sport" out of it as possible. No different I guess than people wanting to manage hunts for 100% success. To some, it's just business. The problem is, it hurts how people perceive hunting.
I would bet anything that some would have liked to have seen a month long, or longer, hunt. But, the park probably didn't want that, so they settled on a time when the bucks are most visible and easy to get.
And when the hunt comes, there will be a dozen guides scattered all over that island trying to turn up the biggest buck out there. With that many eyes, that buck will have little chance of survival. And they call it a "hunt"!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-11 AT 12:40PM (MST)[p]

I agree that it isn't much of a hunt. I was surprised also when I found out it was in November. I thought they would've made it more challenging, but I guess that's not what someone who would buy this tag is looking for. That would be a good idea to make the hunt after the rut, as has been sad. According to the official rules(from the government's website), the hunter can have a total of 4 others with him/her, which is less than what most Gov tag hunts have. I guess it is just another money-making opportunity for the state. Like Yellum said, there certainly isn't a NEED for a deer hunt out there. Even a ranger out there told me that the herd hasn't grown for a LONG time. What they need is a frickin' coyote hunt out there.
quest, there is both an auction tag and a tag available through the draw. Something i thought was interesting also, is that any pre-season scouting has to be done from the road or the trails. That was surprising.
 
Both. One draw, one auction. The sheep dates are the same, so I'm thinking they put them together to minimize the disruption of the normal use.

I don't know that there are that many Book NT's there, just big bucks. There a 2-4 250+ bucks on the island, and a dozen 220+.

Ya, they'd kill big ones no matter what the dates are, but if they were in Oct, they would at least have to some what work for them.

Yelum
 
jesus guys why all the bitching? There was big bucks before us and there will be big bucks after us. No sense in getting all worked up about somthing you cant change. All these people worry about is money and if they wanna make money off deer let them. There will be more.


Team_UNC
 
Since there has been no deer hunting out there for years--
I wonder what the buck/doe ratio is. I also understand that there are no natural predators that have any impact on production.
What do you think ?
 
I was out there 10 days ago and seen 6 dogs in an hour. I also think they should have an archery predator season. I think we would put the hurt on them.
 
Only 4 companions and no off road or trail scouting? That's not bad. Atleast it won't be a circus. That was one of my worries.

I personally am OK with a hunt out there, I'm just tired of auction tags. I still think they should have just made both tags for each species draw only. Just tired of more and more auction tags to pay for this and to pay for that. Will it ever end???

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Brian,
No it wont every end.
A spread sheet gets used to determine how to allocate tags, vs opportunity and data.
 
WEll UNC we care because its a black eye for hunters!!!
Dont you get it?
Come on you cant be that dumb!

O--one
B--big
A--ass
M--mistake
A--america
 
Does anyone know the exact amout per ft it takes to build hwy fence? Maybe they could take that for those tags and put it directly in hwy fencing.
 
I think it will be funny when one of you whining turds draw the tag out there.

Oh ....You can howl, make a fuss and pound you chest but IF you could buy it or draw the tag YOU WOULD. Don't try to bull sh!t me!

Please don't tell me that ALL you guys would never take an "easy one". Crap! Really?

Can the whining ever end from you small-minded guys?

Love, Zeke
 
When can you apply? Is it for res only and whats the deadline to put in for? What hunt number is it?
 
I'm complaining, but would sure love to have that tag. And, if I had $250k laying around and all confused what to spend it on, I would buy the tag, along with many others, and have a good time. But, I might still be thinking, "man, Utah sure likes auction tags". But I'd be enjoying it.

I'm against anymore auction tags in Utah, but if I had the chance, I'd sure like to go out there with whomever buys or draws the deer tags and help them find a monster. Would be fun.

Should have made them all draw tags though. Let the tax payers pay for the park. We didn't need anymore auction tags.

I will say though, if a guy had that tag, and had to hunt alone or with just one buddy for 7 days, it could be tough killing one of the biggest bucks out there. Of course there are a number of them that could be killed from the road, but the hills are big and rugged and it could be a challenge. I don't know if I would exactly call it a high fenced type hunt. A lot like the Henry's. Probably easy to kill a wallhanger, but killing the whopper of the mountain could take some work.

Having 4 people helping each hunter will make a big difference, as 5 total guys scattered across the island with radios will probably result in the two biggest bucks on the island dieing. There are very few trees for them to disappear into, and with enough eyes to look at most of the canyons each day, the biggest animals will be found and killed.....I think.

I'd take the tag and even buy one if I could afford it, but still complain about too many auction tags.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Well said Brian. But I'm a little different. I love a big buck as much as the next guy, but won't/wouldn't put in for the hunt. I am hoping the draw hunter has a great hunt and gets the buck of his life. I would be willing to help him out if I could. I'm excited to see what comes off the mnt, just don't agree with the need for it. I know the auction hunter will do well, but hunts like this is something he/they does every year.

There are about 100 coyotes on the island and I filmed 3 of them putting a mad dash on a herd of lopers the other night. They do more damage to the loper fawns than the deer, but do hit the deer as well.

Yelum
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>Since there has been no deer
>hunting out there for years--
>
>I wonder what the buck/doe ratio
>is. I also understand that
>there are no natural predators
>that have any impact on
>production.
>What do you think ?

I asked the state park biologists that very question when helpiing with the sheep transplants 3 years ago. They said teh buck:doe ratio is between 32-35:100. That is LOWER than the ratio on the Henry unit.
As for not having predators that have any impact on production; I don't think I have seen a higher coyote density than on AI. So, I am puzzled how you think there are no 'natural' predators.

"Manage wildlife WITH hunters, not FOR hunters."
 
how many 200" bucks you guys wanna see die of old age or from coyotes? the island's not that small not a sure thing by any means go out there and check it out.the antis don't give a sh*t how easy or hard a hunt is!! they don't want you to hunt anywhere .
 
They have to hunt that late in the year to not get eaten by bugs. I would not worry to much about them hunting the rut for deer because those two guys will have their bucks picked out months in advance and will get them down opening day.
 
My thought is that if a guy doesn't like the tags he should not support them in anyway.

I understand why people will support it and put in for it but I just don't agree with it.

Brian it will never end until sportsmen make a stand and say enough is enough. But as long as people roll into the expo and put in for the tags ans such it will only continue to grow.

Hope you had a great holiday season.

Tony Abbott
www.myfreehunts.com
The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
 
its not that hard to find the monster. I videoed my 4 year old putting a sneak on a near 40" buck one night (he got within 50 yrds). The problem will be how close is too close, I mean if your shooting the newest wildcat magnum at 50 yds wouldn't the bullet tragectory shoot high at 50 yrds. Man I hope not or my house will be in the firing line. But hey I plan to make some cash off of it. HEY MOSSBACK, I have 100's of hours of video and pics of deer out there, and we all know how much you guys paid for spidey video, and god only knows that with a rut hunt on a island full of tame deer your most likely the guide, soooooooooooo how much can I get for the footage? Also, you guys can stay at my house(only a 10 min. drive), I will cook, clean, entertain, hell maybe even put out for what you guys will pay. SO I SAY PUT OUT MORE TAGS!!! My kids need to go to college!!!!!
 
Zeke,
Are you putting in for the sheep shoot...u...sheep hunt?
Now that is a trophy someone could be proud of. Yes son I killed that monster in the petting zoo...lol
I can't see you hunting there.
 
Yelum,

So are you really telling us there is 12 to 16 deer over 220"+ ???? Come on buddy, I know there are some great bucks out there, but really? I know you spend alot of time out there but thats just sounds CRAZY. I'm not trying to piss you off just asking. I don't think the strip has that many.

Ok, so if that is true how many guys/gals on here will be putting in for the draw tag?? Come on let's be honest and see really how many want to shoot a 220+ "pet"
 
Bowhunt,

I think I caught your drift.
I have no knowledge of the sheep hunts up there. Are you speaking about the California bighorn? You'll need to fill me in on the petting zoo thing.

All,

As for the Deer hunt. I will not be making application for that hunt. It's not my thing, BUT.... when WE say "there's no reason for the hunt" I get really scared because we really don't need to hunt mule deer anywhere right now.... maybe never!

Should we simply end it all because a few folks don't think there's a reason for the hunt? This would be anti-American as well as anti-hunting.

Zeke

PS; Has anyone out there ever shot an animal on the first day of the hunt? Is this wrong? Too easy? What's up with that?
 
Zeke,
Good point. I agree we need to be careful about saying "no need to hunt" It could put us out of business.

I am excited to see the Deer and Sheep that get killed on this new unit, it is just not my thing.
 
Ya, I agree that the argument about the deer being too easy to get on AI is NOT all that good of one. There are lots of limited entry units that are really easy to hunt. Heck, there are lots of places in general that are easy to hunt. Lots of animals next to the road if that is what one wants.
The hunt on AI could be easy if one wants to hunt close to the road, or it can be tougher if one wants to hike the high ridge from one end to the other and jump off into different canyons. Just like any other place.

Plus, like others have said, the argument for not hunting AI because there's no biological reason is not good either, because there's a much greater reason to hunt AI than anywhere else in Utah. You know what I mean? AI has a much higher buck to doe ratio than probably any place in Utah, so if there's no reason to hunt there, there's no reason to hunt anywhere.

Hunting is good, more auction tags is the problem. That's my opinion.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Good on ya Brian.
BTW: I saw you on TV. You're not as ugly as I imagined! LOL
It was a deer hunt in Colorado. Very cool.

Zeke
 
Muldeerrock,
Yes, I'm saying that a dozen 220+ bucks is a good estimate. I've seen 3 in the last month from my truck, from the road, looking at maybe 10-15% of the island. And have been told for years that the bigger bucks are on the west side were I can't even get to.

This hunt can be as tough or as easy as the hunter wants to make it. But it is a guarenteed success for a huge buck. A hunter would have to be a lousy shot, or in really bad shape, to not get a huge buck.

The buck to doe ratio is not as good as the Henrys, but the chance to get a 230 buck is better.

As for the need, ya, we don't need to hunt anywhere, but its a state park. Do we really need to start hunting the parks.

I'm with founder on the auction tags as well. But I have a different take. The park is owned by the state. The deer are owned by the state. If they got to auction off tags, let the state do it and keep ALL THE MONEY. Why do we need to line someone pockets and give it to conservation groups who then give a portion back to the state?
Yelum
 
YELUM,

Wow, thats crazy the island has that many great deer on it. I also think you make a great point when you say," Why do we need to line someone's pockets and give it to conservation groups who then give a portion back to the state?" It's not like the state would get any less for the tag if they market/sell it!! I have heard 90% will go back to the "park" for habitat management. I hope this is true!!
 
I'm with you Yelum, 100% Yeah a big buck will get killed, but it won't be hunting. It's guaranteed they kill a monster. The biggest buck I've ever seen in my life was out there. I'd hate to see the island change.
 
It is my understanding that all the money from the two Antelope island tags go straight to the Parks Dept. No money will be given to the expo. Anyway that was the original setup.
 
When the legislature passed the intent language to, in effect, force State Parks to allow a hunt, $200,000 from the proceeds of the sale of 2 tags was earmarked for Wildlife Habitat on AI (1 muley and 1 sheep) SFW will receive their 10% cut for conducting the sale. The rest of the $$ is unclear (if there is any) This deal has been SFW's baby from the beginning. Don has been pushing an AI hunt for his wealthy hunters for over 10 years. He has finally been able to get the DNR and DWR Directors and a few legislators to support him and push for the Parks Board to approve the hunt.
 
Ha, ha, I think Doyle must given you a hell of a butt whipping in grade school or something, the way you cry about him and the guys that work for him. I don't work for him by the way, so don't start crying about that. It is however apparent that he must have stolen your girl friend or your blow up date or something! What is your deal, you must have applied to be a subguide and he turned you down or some other imagined slight to your delicate ego? Can't wait to hear it?
I hope he does guide the guy, it will be funny to see you being committed, when you lose your mind over that!!



hossback, making blood trails to the bathroom!
 
If you don't work for him or hunt with him then why so serious? You are funnier than the Hoss guy . Looks like you have the blood trail .
 
The hunt is still eleven months away and hossback is already posting about Mossback. I have never hunted with Doyle or even scouted with him, I also have never seen any FACTS about any underhanded illegal activities by Mossback.

Yet hossback is on the Mossback crews back! So I gotta think that he is having mental problems related to some childhood trauma! Maybe he is stalking Doyle, like the guy that killed John Lennon? Watch out Doyle, maybe he is trying to work up the nerve, to talk to you in person at the SFW show. I hope you find time to give him an autographed 8 x 10 glossy, of one of the BIG BUCKS you guy killed this year.

Yes, hossback has some kinda issue. Maybe he just is unhappy with the little deer he gets each year. So I will try to contact Doyle for him and see if we can get him photoshopped into one of Doyle's kill photos and a nice Mossback shirt to wear around at he hunting shows? Maybe that will prevent a tragedy.

So instead of insulting him in every post, like a grade school boy who actually has a secret crush on him, he can get over it. Doyle makes money off wildlife. So does everybody at the SFW show. Why isn't this guy all over Remington arms? Maybe the Eastman's are next on his list? I will have to call Guy and Mike, and see if they can get him in the magazine with one of his bucks. I hope he has a good day, I just don't understand all the ani moss ity ?

hossback following the only non-profit bloodtrail!
 
>I think it will be funny
>when one of you whining
>turds draw the tag out
>there.
>
>Oh ....You can howl, make a
>fuss and pound you chest
>but IF you could buy
>it or draw the tag
>YOU WOULD. Don't try to
>bull sh!t me!
>
>Please don't tell me that ALL
>you guys would never take
>an "easy one". Crap! Really?
>
>
>Can the whining ever end from
>you small-minded guys?
>
>Love, Zeke


Very well said, Zeke!
 

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