MuleyMinor
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So you have 7 points and could draw the Book cliffs this year? Do you wait another seven years to hunt the Henry's or take your Book Cliffs tag now? What would you do?
Bookcliffs vs Henry's
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MuleyMinor
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Would most likely be archery!
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WORKNMAN
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As few Deer tags that are given on the Henry's currently. You might be drawing Social Security before you draw a Henry's tag.
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neither i wouldn't waste that many points on the books
swbuckmaster
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-11 AT 05:13PM (MST)[p]> So you have 7 points
>and could draw the Book
>cliffs this year? Do you
>wait another seven years to
>hunt the Henry's or take
>your Book Cliffs tag now?
>What would you do?
you have got to be kidding right? you just pull the number 7 out of your backside?
with 7 points you will never even draw a henry archery tag in your life if you are the last one in your point group to draw a tag. Have you ever heard of point creep? Ya its that bad. do yourself a favor and look it up on this forum.
so it comes down to this do you waste your life putting in for the henry tag or do you go hunting that is the question you should be asking yourself.
here are the figures I pulled of this sight you can check them if you like.
There are this many people ahead of you or have the same amount of points as you. 14 58 63 93 131 221 289 291 327
then there are this many in your point group. 389
so add them all up and divide by how many bonus tags they give out.
= 1169/11= 105 years let me say that again 105 years till you are ever garanteed a tag! It sucks to be you if you want a henry tag and this is why I hate LE units and the butt plugg point system they produce.
the numbers I ran are only correct if you are saying you have 7 point now. If you are saying you will have 7 points when the draw is complete it is way worse. Some people think they have 7 points but what they realy have is 6 going into the draw and get their 7th after the draw.
The harder you work the luckier you get!!
>and could draw the Book
>cliffs this year? Do you
>wait another seven years to
>hunt the Henry's or take
>your Book Cliffs tag now?
>What would you do?
you have got to be kidding right? you just pull the number 7 out of your backside?
with 7 points you will never even draw a henry archery tag in your life if you are the last one in your point group to draw a tag. Have you ever heard of point creep? Ya its that bad. do yourself a favor and look it up on this forum.
so it comes down to this do you waste your life putting in for the henry tag or do you go hunting that is the question you should be asking yourself.
here are the figures I pulled of this sight you can check them if you like.
There are this many people ahead of you or have the same amount of points as you. 14 58 63 93 131 221 289 291 327
then there are this many in your point group. 389
so add them all up and divide by how many bonus tags they give out.
= 1169/11= 105 years let me say that again 105 years till you are ever garanteed a tag! It sucks to be you if you want a henry tag and this is why I hate LE units and the butt plugg point system they produce.
the numbers I ran are only correct if you are saying you have 7 point now. If you are saying you will have 7 points when the draw is complete it is way worse. Some people think they have 7 points but what they realy have is 6 going into the draw and get their 7th after the draw.
The harder you work the luckier you get!!
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You are suffering from the same misconception that so many UT hunters are. They see that it this year it took 15 points to draw a Henry's tag, see that they have 7 points and assume that in the next 7-8 years they would be able to draw. THAT IS NOT THE CASE! If you look at the number of applicants that have the same amount or more points than you do and then look at the total number of tags given for the hunt and do a little math you will soon figure out that it will be decades before you draw a Henry Mtns tag. Point creep is a moster just starting to rear it's ugly head on hard to draw deer, elk, and OIL hunts in UT. I have 10 deer points and figured 30-40 years before I could get a Henry Mtns. deer tag. The draw odds will get better as some applicants start dying of old age.
I hope they merge the LE and General season deer points systems now that we are going to 29 units. Otherwise my kids will never have any kind of chance of drawing a LE tag in the state.
As for your orginal question. If you would be satisfied with a 22-24" 150-170" buck put in for the Books and hunt now. If you want something bigger, look into other units or start eating right and exercising so you can live long enough to draw a Henrys tag.
Dax
There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
I hope they merge the LE and General season deer points systems now that we are going to 29 units. Otherwise my kids will never have any kind of chance of drawing a LE tag in the state.
As for your orginal question. If you would be satisfied with a 22-24" 150-170" buck put in for the Books and hunt now. If you want something bigger, look into other units or start eating right and exercising so you can live long enough to draw a Henrys tag.
Dax
There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
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sory for basically saying the same thing as dax. it took me several minutes to type my response up and he had already responded to it and I didnt see his response.
The harder you work the luckier you get!!
The harder you work the luckier you get!!
MuleyMinor
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This might be a stupid question but can some one enlighten this young man on point creep?
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If you wanna hunt, go hunt. Why wait 15 years to kill a buck, you could go poach one on the Henries and you wouldnt even sniff 15 years, that is assuming you get caught. 
Im joking.... or am I.... wait what?
Team_UNC
Im joking.... or am I.... wait what?
Team_UNC
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What about 13 points? Hunt now or wait it out...death or tag. Which ever comes first.
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Does 7 points going into the 2011 draw guarantee a bookcliffs archery tag?
"...I got a shotgun, rifle, and a 4 wheel
drive, and a country boy can survive..."
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Based on 2010 draw numbers. Everyone with 7 bonus points (Archery) drew a tag. There were 69 applicants that had 6 points.Of the 69 22 drew tags. That leaves 47 who will be eligible for the 51 guaranteed tags. This does not account for the applicants that will switch after they read this thread and become discouraged that they will never draw for the Henries.
MuleyMinor
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Thanks for the Reality check on the Henry's. Wishful thinking i guess.
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You astronomically have a better chance at drawing the books tag, but here is something that may let you sleep better at night...........
You have even a worse chance at drawing the Henry Mountain tag at the Hunt Expo than you do through the regular draw. The hunt expo had up to 8,000 applicants last year for that 1 tag and they offer NO bonus points.
Not even Methuselah can outlast those odds......
Good luck!
Tony Abbott
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The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
You have even a worse chance at drawing the Henry Mountain tag at the Hunt Expo than you do through the regular draw. The hunt expo had up to 8,000 applicants last year for that 1 tag and they offer NO bonus points.
Not even Methuselah can outlast those odds......
Good luck!
Tony Abbott
www.myfreehunts.com
The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
PleaseDear
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Man-O-man those Henry's bow buck odds seem tough for sure!
I am still pre-scheduling vacation time though.
I am thinking I just might draw the Henry's bow buck with my 3 Bonus points.
Robb
I am still pre-scheduling vacation time though.
I am thinking I just might draw the Henry's bow buck with my 3 Bonus points.
Robb
swbuckmaster
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NDmuley I am assuming you are an non resident because there isnt anyone with 15 points as a resident.
they only give out one bonus point for that unit so if you are the last on in your pool it will take you.........brace yourself.....30 more years.
The harder you work the luckier you get!!
they only give out one bonus point for that unit so if you are the last on in your pool it will take you.........brace yourself.....30 more years.
The harder you work the luckier you get!!
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"You have even a worse chance at drawing the Henry Mountain tag at the Hunt Expo than you do through the regular draw. The hunt expo had up to 8,000 applicants last year for that 1 tag and they offer NO bonus points."
Tony! Tony! Tony! Come on man. Hijacking threads like this is getting as bad as my kids asking me, "are we there yet, are we there yet?" Give it a rest buddy. A simple question was asked. It didn't ask for anybodies political view.
Go Bookcliffs. That's a no brainer with 7 points.
It's always an adventure!!!
Tony! Tony! Tony! Come on man. Hijacking threads like this is getting as bad as my kids asking me, "are we there yet, are we there yet?" Give it a rest buddy. A simple question was asked. It didn't ask for anybodies political view.
Go Bookcliffs. That's a no brainer with 7 points.
It's always an adventure!!!
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Thanks for advice AWHOLELOTTABULL!!
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I'd take the bookcliffs any weapon you can shoot a 30 inch buck its just a difficult witch rakes alot of scouting beforehand.
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That's Tony at his finest! He needs the attention though.
If you got your mind set on hunting the Henries then keep trying. Someone has to draw the tag. When numbers start to get thrown around on here you got to take it for what it's worth. There are a lot more factors that play into it than what a lot of people will tell you. With that being said I will agree it don't look good on paper.
I have drawn 2 LE tags and 1 OIL tag. I plan on drawing more. I had to start over at 0 each time.
If you got your mind set on hunting the Henries then keep trying. Someone has to draw the tag. When numbers start to get thrown around on here you got to take it for what it's worth. There are a lot more factors that play into it than what a lot of people will tell you. With that being said I will agree it don't look good on paper.
I have drawn 2 LE tags and 1 OIL tag. I plan on drawing more. I had to start over at 0 each time.
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Whats political about the facts Jim? And it has nothing t do with "needing" attention.
I believe like the regular draw ALL sportsman have the right to know the odds for the tag they are trying to draw, especially when they are a public resource.
Someone asked the question and I answered it with a little more insight, but because some of you are turning a blind eye to the situation you want to make this out to be something it is not.
Don't you think someone involved with the process would be on here screaming foul if what I was saying had no merit?
Someone is gonna draw that is a fact, but it probably won't be you Jim and it probably won't be Elkoholic. But It might be someone that is connected to the expo.
All I can do is go by history and history always seems to repeat itself.
Tony Abbott
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The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
I believe like the regular draw ALL sportsman have the right to know the odds for the tag they are trying to draw, especially when they are a public resource.
Someone asked the question and I answered it with a little more insight, but because some of you are turning a blind eye to the situation you want to make this out to be something it is not.
Don't you think someone involved with the process would be on here screaming foul if what I was saying had no merit?
Someone is gonna draw that is a fact, but it probably won't be you Jim and it probably won't be Elkoholic. But It might be someone that is connected to the expo.
All I can do is go by history and history always seems to repeat itself.
Tony Abbott
www.myfreehunts.com
The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
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My odds of drawing the Henry's tag last year with one point was 1 in 11,000 something factoring in everyones points. So according to you Tony, I had better odds at the expo. Yeah....they are slim odds, but hey......I drew the tag. One thing in the whole draw is for sure.....If you don't put in for it, you will not draw it.
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http://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/biggame/pdf/10_bonus_point_summary.pdf
Above is the list of all Bonus points by species...
Go check out the LE deer to see how many are in line ahead of ya in points......
I did and geezzzzz...................
Robb
Above is the list of all Bonus points by species...
Go check out the LE deer to see how many are in line ahead of ya in points......
I did and geezzzzz...................
Robb
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Maybe if their were more than just one (now two with antelope island) unit with exceptional trophy quality that the public felt was worth 10+ years of waiting the henrys wouldnt be so log jammed. Thats pretty depressing that it takes 9+ years to hunt a unit hoping for a 170 buck.
What happened to the pauns? Why just books or henrys? Is the quality that bad on the other "premium"limited entry?
Sucks to be a nonres with alot of points but not max.
What happened to the pauns? Why just books or henrys? Is the quality that bad on the other "premium"limited entry?
Sucks to be a nonres with alot of points but not max.
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Look at the 15-16-17 point pools on Deer in the ressy and non-ressy side of the house.....get's pretty thin thru there...
Robb
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I would not hunt the books next year the snow is over 2ft deep and the deer are having a hard time already. imo last year was the worst it's been down there since they closed it. during december i could not find a buck over 170 and the biggest buck i saw down there saturday was a 3pt. With the decrease in buck population and a bad winter i would look somewhere else. In the south like the sj or somewhere the winter kill is going to be bad and it will take alot of time to recover but its your pts. But on the good side i would say 160 buck next year is doable if you hunt hard. anything bigger than that and its a crap shoot.
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Fishon wrote " Don't you think someone involved with the process would be on here screaming foul if what I was saying had no merit?
Someone is gonna draw that is a fact, but it probably won't be you Jim and it probably won't be Elkoholic. But It might be someone that is connected to the expo.
All I can do is go by history and history always seems to repeat itself."
Tony, You seem very negative for someone who is trying to set your own agenda. It seems very counter productive to keep going on with these politics; However, it also seems very odd to see those influential individuals who seems to be drawing at such a high rate if success. I can take high odds to the draw, but I can't stand a crook. Peay, if you're out there scream fowl or at least make a statement regard these alegations. I would be interested to hear something from you. I want to know that 100% are "ligit", not 99% or less.
Someone is gonna draw that is a fact, but it probably won't be you Jim and it probably won't be Elkoholic. But It might be someone that is connected to the expo.
All I can do is go by history and history always seems to repeat itself."
Tony, You seem very negative for someone who is trying to set your own agenda. It seems very counter productive to keep going on with these politics; However, it also seems very odd to see those influential individuals who seems to be drawing at such a high rate if success. I can take high odds to the draw, but I can't stand a crook. Peay, if you're out there scream fowl or at least make a statement regard these alegations. I would be interested to hear something from you. I want to know that 100% are "ligit", not 99% or less.
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I didnt accuse anyone of anything. I simply said I do not let the people associated with my draw be eligible. And it looks funny that people associated with the hunt expo draw tags almost every year.
You should avoid any thing that looks suspicious. It would give you more credibility
Tony Abbott
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The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
You should avoid any thing that looks suspicious. It would give you more credibility
Tony Abbott
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The next buck to have a fawn will be the
1st.
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Theyre cheatin buuut theyre not cheatin??? Take a stance fishon and stick to it! Sh!t or get off the pot! You want to take shots at people without actually taking a shot at any one individual.
Didnt you have a hand in getting these expo conservation tags going? If so, take your share of the credit.
Didnt you have a hand in getting these expo conservation tags going? If so, take your share of the credit.
I am skeptical of the outcome, but I won't go as far as to accuse them of anything. If it were my organization, I'd want to do everything I could to avoid these types of conflicts.
It's akin to the VP of the Mcdonald's corporation suddenly showing up with the 10 million bucks from the monopoly game. A little fishy at a minimum! But it aint gonna happen because they have the foresight to exempt employees and associates from winning these things, for a reason........
It's akin to the VP of the Mcdonald's corporation suddenly showing up with the 10 million bucks from the monopoly game. A little fishy at a minimum! But it aint gonna happen because they have the foresight to exempt employees and associates from winning these things, for a reason........
