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7 dead shed bucks have been found in an area that has been hammered relentlessly by shed antler hunters. The DWR has been called in to hopefully figure out what is happening. It wouldn't suprise me if they found they had been stressed by the shed hunters to the point of no return. There is one particular non-typical buck that they are all watching that hasn't yet shed, but it is possible that in their zeal to be the one that gets his shed they have helped in the demise of at least 7 other bucks.
 
Are you talking an area in Utah and don't they have laws like Wyoming preventing people from going on the winter range and causing exactly what you have posted? If it's in Utah and they don't then that is another glaring problem they need to resolve!!! What a shame to stress animals to death just for some shed bone!!!
 
I agree, it really is a shame that shed hunters would risk stressing an animal to death just for a little bone. How stupid are these guys, stressing the very animals to death that they could get bone from if they live another year, real smart. The problem is if you put a lot of these guys together you couldn't make a full six pack.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-11 AT 05:52PM (MST)[p]I hate to say this, but shed hunting along the wasatch front and the backside of the wasatch is out of control this year. I'm not sure if it's the condenced pressure because western Wyoming is closed down or what. All in know is it gets worse every year around here. I know they're having a lot of trespassing issues in Wasatch county-several guys have been given tickets already and more are in the works.
 
Puting a season on sheds won't do anything.
If these idiots don't care now, what makes you think they will abide by any season regs?

It's just like taking hunting rights away from most poachers. Guess what!! they don't care about hunting rights, they are out hunting in Nov - Dec without any tags anyway.
 
I kind of agree, but most guys will tell you it's helping in Wyoming. Especially because wyogf is enforcing it-big time.

Without enforcement it'd be a waste I agree.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-11 AT 02:14PM (MST)[p]Good reply Prism!!! Yes, Wyoming is doing a very good job on it and if people would help out by turning in people for various violations they might witness, instead of making pessimistic posts that the guys will still do it anyway, maybe it would put a stop to more of it! That and the 35 state Game Violator Compact will at least give them a little more to think about than some of the piddly fines these Judges have issued in the past!
 
Unfortunately Nevada is in the same boat as well. Way too many individuals out way to early chasing the critters around, both residents and those from neighboring states. It's sad to say but I believe NV will need to go the same route and place a season on collecting antlers. The thing that amazes me about these guys is that when you typically wait it out and let the deer winter, you end up finding a lot more sheds when the deer weren't pushed out of those areas and chased into who knows where. Sadly antler collecting has just become way too popular over the last few years and in turn there's going to need to be laws placed and enforced to control it. The competition for those sheds has clouded some peoples minds.
 
Yeah thats great if they do enforce it.
My question is why don't they enforce harassment laws right now?
If someone is pressuring and harassing the deer bad enough to kill multiple bucks( shed season or not) where is the enforcement? Will the enforcement magically appear with a season?

I hate to be pi$$y or come off pessimistic, but once again a few idiots are going to wreck a good thing for everyone.

All we are doing is losing more rights if we end up with a shed season.
 
The problem isn't just a few idiots, but a pile of them. I agree, if they enforced the existing laws it wouldn't be an issue. The problem is that to get it under control their going to just create new laws with greater repercussions. I've already started hearing it in NV over the last few years and if the trend keeps up I see it happening.
 
>all this would stop if we
>made it illegal to sell
>antlers.


Yes sir, it sure stopped the pot problem when it was made illegal to sell.
 
>all this would stop if we
>made it illegal to sell
>antlers.


Yeah, just what we need more dumb asss laws...

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-11 AT 05:34PM (MST)[p]Good gawd, say it aint so... not in Utardia??? I thought it was all smiles and 220" bucks around the bee hive state.
 
Wyoming has had the may first law forever on the forest above the elk refuge in Jackson and there are feds, forest service, fish and game and county sheriff dept and a butt load of surveillance crap to watch for horn poachers and they still get in there early. The laws just keep us honest people out
All though its a hefty fine and jail time up there
 
I have long opposed another law or season for shed hunting, but I think UT has gone too far. I live in So. UT and there have been guys out hiking/driving the hills for 3 or 4 weeks! Most of these guys are every bit as passionate about hunting and deer quality as the next, they just don't understand the accumulative effects of all the passionate hunter out there. This includes, but is not limited to, shed hunters, bird hunters, rock hunters, bow hunter, spike hunters, bull hunters, trophy hunters, muzzleloader hunters, riffle hunters, arrowhead hunters, bounty hunters; you get the point! Some of each of these groups make good choices, and just as many make bad choices! Point is this is all a function of numbers and decisions (good or bad).
It is unfortunate that we have reached a capacity for shed hunting (and other activities in winter range). It's too bad that we as hunters (some) have lost sight of fun and obsession. It is also unfortunate that someone has the job/responsibility of setting parameters that protect the wildlife, but I think it is time.

My 2 cents.

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It's tough out there, no shortage of people obsessed with the sport and everyone wants a mountain to themselves and big horns. Can't we all just get along?
 
Wyoming Shed law seems to be working like a dream. 95% of the people are obeying the law. I spent Sunday on the winter range looking around and saw a bunch of undisturbed deer having a really hard time as it were. At least they didn't have to worry about armys of guys beating the hills lookng for sheds at any cost.
The shed season in concert with winter range closures have been good for our state.
 
I was right, Easter Egg hunting for retarded adults.....You guys that aren't laughing at yourselves, need some serious intervention!

Those of you that are actually in competition for the best shed areas.....I can't even comment on!

Wyoming has a "shed season"?....but nothing on the books regarding abusing domestic sheep!!....and Utards are traveling there in droves!

And the guy that referred to it as a "sport" has totally lost it!

Hilarious entertainment!!



"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
The restrictions definately help but I would not say that it keeps 95% of people honest. May 1st last year one of my good buddies did a two night backpack trip above the elk refuge in Jackson, in very productive shed country. He found twelve bull sheds while eating lunch under a large tree on the second day, because he happened to look up. He told me he spent the rest of the trip looking up not down. The laws keep the honest people honest, but the shed poachers have free easy pickin as long as they're careful!
 
They must be all concentrated in one area. I haven't seen a shed hunter yet out around Elk Ridge. If there are 7 dead bucks in one area and no does I would be more suspicious of them being shot.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
Wyobackcountry,

No doubt there are some people that will always abuse the system but it has been a marked improvement since it was enacted. I would of really would have liked to see the face of the dude that had the stash when he went to his tree, lol. Sometimes sweet justice is served.
 
Three years ago I found something like 17 deadheads in one square mile area in the wintering range. I would love to say that it was shed hooters which caused the demise of these bucks, but it was four legged predators that caused the mayhem. Are we sure that the 7 bucks weren't lion/ coyote killed?
 
I find it very very hard to believe that 7 bucks were killed from stress related to hikers / horn hunters.
 
BomberBlackies---I don't think you can actually say that the ones you found didn't die from stress and then were fed upon by predators! Also, even if they were actually killed by predators, it's very possible they were stressed enough by shed hunters to make a difference in whether they got nailed or were able to avoid the predators.
 
Depth of snow and the feed would have me looking for other idea's on what killed those bucks, coming on here and saying it is shed hunters in a pile of BS, if the GW say it, do you believe he know what he is talking about, because if he knew for sure he should have some-one in cuffs.
Maybe you can tell everyone that the deer died because of lack of feed and everyone should send you a twenty spot to help out.
That a better idea.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I have no problem with shed hunting. Just wish they would be a little more careful about running the deer so much. Its practically impossible to police it. Ther are some some that are a little to zealous about it. Still don't know for sure why they died-- plenty of feed around. I do know of one other shed buck in the same area that had to be shot by a deputy sheriff because it had a broken back leg.I was there personally when it was mercifully put down. It was so exhausted it couldn't get even get up.It was a shed hunter who called it in. Good move on his part for sure. Someone said that the day before they saw a large dog chasing deer in that area the day before. There were no signs of it being hit by a vehicle. The thinking is that it might have broken its leg trying to get away from the dogs. I understand that within a few days the dogs were back at it but as I understand it,the dogs and the owners were dealt with by law enforcement appropriately. I do not know the results.
 
> coming on here
>and saying it is shed
>hunters in a pile of
>BS, if the GW say
>it, do you believe he
>know what he is talking
>about, because if he knew
>for sure he should have
>some-one in cuffs.

Yep.........just like the cops arrest every murderer on the streets!
 
Yep........ and the fish and game put down every cat and dog chasing the deer around making the deer die as well lol. There are no lions or yotes that chase deer in this state, so it had to be that evil creature "MAN" doing the dastardly deed looking for bone. I 100% agree with leaving them alone right now but M.F.G.,deer in the field = horn hunters as the cause?
 
If They are the ones seeing them doing the murders,Yes the will, I do believe they arrest them or shoot them,anyway that what they do out here.
Now we hear it might be dogs and NOT those shed hunters, I wonder which ones are the real evil-doer's. What proof is there to point the finger at one group.
Just saying, just because you see dead deer doesn't means it was one cause or the other. They die because of a 100+ different reasons not all them are because of people.
Try raising sheep they die just because they like to cause you sleepless nights, maybe deer are the same way.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
If you don't know enough about mule deer to realize that hunters chasing deer around August-Oct. is different than chasing deer around on winter range in Febuary-April when there is nothing to eat and they have already burned up most of their fat reserves, then you my friend are the tard.


Dax

There is no such thing as a sure thing in trophy mule deer hunting.
 
CAforkedhorn---That was about the dumbest post I've seen on this site in the couple months I've been on here. Have you no idea that winter in the mountain states is the stressful time for them on into early Spring, especially for the older bucks after the rut and the young of the year. If you don't, you might want to shut your yapper and read up on things before you make posts like that!!!
 
OK!!!!......I got more popcorn and a comfy chair....carry on!

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
get your popcorn, but dont feed any to the deer. saw that warning on the ut dwr website!

The food deer have to get too isn't as nutritious as regular deer food. plus during the utah pupmkin patch hunting season and other such seasons, drunks tards are leaving their PB&J's all over the mountain. i heard that big bucks prefer skippy over no-name brand peanut butter. lol
 
Topgun
I can guarantee you that NO shed hunters frequent this particular area unless they are being dropped off by a helicopters. I guess it could be green Martians.
 
Not to get into a pissing contest with you BB, but if YOU were in there and found all those deer, why couldn't anybody else get in there too. Are you in that much better shape than others out on the winter range? Or just maybe you are the Green Martian you mentioned, LOL!
 
No pissing match here. Private surrounded by USFS and BLM. Not too many shed hooters will walk several tough miles into a patrolled area and take the chance of being cited or arrested.
 
I have to agree with a couple other guys about your post CAforkedhorn, that is without a doubt one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on all the different hunting sites I have been on over the years. You are the exact type of guy that we are all talking about!
 
instead of making it illeagal to sell antlers maybe we should make it illeagle to posesse antlers. and while we are making up more laws to infringe on our freedoms. we should make another law that made it illeagle to trespass on any blm during the months from dec-may. just kidding
 
After reading a few of the comments I thought I would put in mine I live in Central Utah and have watched the deer herds dwindle because of the Highways, poachers, hunters that choose to not claim their kill because it's not big enough or it's just to much of a pain to retreive, winter kill, or the plain fact that we have people hunting that shouldn't be do to the fact they don't prepare (could't hit the broad side of a barn if their life depended on it) and they wound the animal and it dies a slow aginizing death, and now we can add to the list horn hunters. I thought there was a law and as far as I am concerned the laws aren't hard enough if you want to stop the poaching and deer and elk dying because of stress you have to hit them so hard that it really really hurts and don't turn your back on them make it so they can't hunt ever again anywhere, take all of their guns what ever it takes to get the message though that this is serious because these things are making so we and future hunters will not have the enjoyment of going out with family and friends and hunting. Also another prolbem is the DWR needs to learn to listen to the people of the state before they make decisions they need to figure out a better way to rebuild the herds of deer and elk because their plan they have now will not work.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-11 AT 10:41AM (MST)[p]This week I found a dead whitetail fawn. No sign of predation on the tiny little thing. Was freshly dead but the ravens had already picked out the eyeballs. Snowed in wolf track under it, but it wasn't a wolf kill. The next day 2 eagles on it. That evening it was drug onto the road and was all but a few bones and hair left. Fresh snow and fresh wolf tracks. The next day I noticed what looked like another dead deer in a meadow just under the road. Went down and yup, there was momma whitetail completely consumed. I could tell she was an earlier kill. The fawn hadn't gone much more than 100 yards when the wolves were chowing down on momma and died on it's own. Am I sad? Nope. Glad those wolves are eating those rat deer over the muleys. ;)
 
BCBoy, you know deep down in your heart that the fawn was killed by either shed hooters or chute planes. Who stresses deer more, 4legged predators or the 2 legged type?
 

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