Horn hunters Beware, Atv's,offroader's

elknr

elknr

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Im not sure if the rest of you folks have been noticing alot more atv tracks and offroader tracks out in the hill's.But in the last few years im constantly walking past area's with no trails or roads,come to find out there's fresh atv tracks going through the cedars or over top of sagebrush,completely killing alot of wildlife habitat,Let alone it will piss any one off when you walk a couple miles away from roads or trails to find some dumb ass driven passed you on an atv,with a rack full of antlers and they wave as they pass you by at 80 yards away.Trust me they know what there doing is wrong,Thats why they dont stop and talk to you...So for all you guys who have done this before beware Because me and alot of other people will be watching you with are video camera's and camera's as we are out in the hill's.Remember you guys need proof of the tards that do this,Since i have turned people in before....

To all the good guys and gals out here we need to help the dwr out and keep are eyes open during horn huntin season and hunting season.These people are taking from us and our children..

To the idiots that do drive off road and dont follow rule's,You better watch your back cause im huntin in Ophir,Monroe,Pahvant,Wasatch.And there is 3 others that are watching these area's with me......

It would be great if you good guys would pick a couple units and post on here what they will be,And so on.


Together we can make a difference,The dwr does not have the man power to manage the whole state.We must man up to the Job.Not Next week or tommorow start today.And Help each other out and get rid of these a hole's that dont care about our future.......

Sorry if you have read this twice or three times,But i hve posted in all forum's..Thanks elknr.
 
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TUNE-UPS IN THE NE REGION ARE FREE!

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
 
South central gets hit with bikes preety hard. I and 5-6 other guys i know have called people in and nothing ever gets done!
We have voted on tune-ups and yes they will be free from us.
 
Thats why im saying to bring your cam corder or camera.Then you have proof for the wardens to give them a ticket....I know it sounds tuff to bring with you everywhere,but this is the only way we are going to make it stop....I must be out of date but what in the hell is a tune up mean?
 
Sounds like more arrests by the ethics police are being handed out. In most blm areas atv's are not restricted to roads except in designated areas in Utah and Nevada. Arizona I know the only time an atv can leave a trail is to retrieve game. So some of you are handing out "tune ups" when no law is being broken. A "tune up" is way more out of line than riding cross country.

Go with the videoing if you want to do something. "Tuning up" someone's ride might land you in jail at best if the guy doesnt catch in the act.
 
I will be carrying a gopro camera this year so anyone I find riding where they shouldn't be will be in my movie...We need to police our ranks fellas or some jackass granola cruncher will do it for us...
 
I hunt a pretty remote area hear in Cali where I have to walk in 2 miles and this year 2 times I came across the same ATV about 3/4 of a mile in. He goes up an old logging trail that they closed down by putting logs across the road. This obviously only stops vehicles other than ATVs. I knew he was a local to the area living in a town nearby beacuse he advertised it on his back winshield with a high school sticker. Guess that means its ok! I seen a warden on the road and told him about it but I dought anything got checked out. I used to hunt another area until I was sitting on a rock about a 1 1/2 in and 2 guys rode right below me no more than 150 yards side hilling it real slow. I just picked up my things and walked back and have yet to return.
It to bad that laziness and just dumb actions are ruining what others love to do and do it respectively!
 
The Warden has to see the off roading him self to give a ticket..Unless you have pics or video's of the crime...Its not a big enough crime for them to try to prove by tire tracks and such..Thats why we must do some of the work if we are going to stop them.....

And for having laws in utah,It is against the law to go off any unmarked trail or road...
We all must do this in every state or it wont ever stop or slow down it will just get worse...
 
brutus....I dont think you would think tune ups were so out of line if you had hiked back in a few miles to shoot a big buck or bull only to find out a atv'er went cross country and beat you to it!!....

I know if i catch someone and i dont have a video for proof...I would like to catch them and beat the tar out of them!! But As a last resort cause yes it is getting pretty serious,Pretty soon people will be shooting each other when they catch eachother..

Thats why we must Get are proof on film and then the wardens will have to do there job's...And we are not risking so much with tune ups...

Its easy to just give tune ups.But thats not goin to solve the problem.Its only goin to get them off roaders more reason to do something to all the good guy's trucks..Then we will really have a problem with people killing each other....If any of you can think of a better way please suggest it,Im open to anything...I just want it to be controlled a little better.....Once a couple of these guys were caught and or have there atv's took away from them the word will hopefully spread and people will think a little more...
 
Couldn't agree with you more, but do it the correct way like you are talking about in order to help the G&F folks who are spread out way too thin everywhere. Doing retribution type acts makes you as bad as the violator you are trying to eliminate and can only escalate the situation! Where I hunt in Wyoming, quads aren't allowed off the main roads and it's enforced. In all my years hunting out there I have only seen two guys together that were violating the closure. We didn't see them until after dark and couldn't get close enough to gather any information or you can bet your butt we would have turned them in! As mentioned, it not only hurts the legal hunters, but also damges a lot of fragile landscape and vegetation. It really ticks me off when I see thess TV commercials showing them going all over the place, through streams, etc., like that's legal everywhere!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-11 AT 06:15PM (MST)[p]I hunt exclusively and own land in the Central Mountains North Manti unit. I too am going to be after the fat idiots who are too lazy to leave their ATVs at the signs that say "No Motorized Use Past this point".

A couple miles from our property on Forest Service land a road was permanently blocked off by the forest service. They took a weekend and cut down several trees and made a really good road block to keep people out. I went back a few weeks later and sure enough some fat or lazy guys had driven through the forest off road to get around it. The forest service again showed up and cut off several more trails. This went on and on throughout the summer of 2009 and into 2010. I think they finally have it completely sealed off now.

I finally had enough when I CAUGHT a guy driving his 4 wheeler with his teenage son on OUR private property OFF road through quaking aspens. I jumped on my Yamaha Grizzly 700 and caught up with him after a few minutes.

He said that he didnt see the no trespassing signs (that was a complete lie, as he drove AROUND our gate and no trespassing sign off road to get back ONTO the road.) Long story short, he made up several lies and I shot each one down and he finally said he was just looking for a nice buck to shoot.

This year, if I catch guys driving through the road blocks onto forest service land I think I am going to bring my husqvarna and drop a couple of dead trees to block them in. Then I will call the Forest Service and tell them where they can drive to specifically to ticket someone for unauthorized use of motorized vehicles.
 
carrying around a few metal cords with pad locks sounds nicer than the tune-up option. I'd love to chain a guy's wheels together so he couldn't leave. No damage done and you can bring the warden back!
 
I have to laugh about guys complaining that a tune-up is destroying someone else's property. Is that not EXACTLY what you are doing when off roading on public land???
 
Well, if I knew where they went in and how they had to come out......several framing nails in plywood strips, buried in a slow spot on the trail. Then hide and watch.

You wouldn't want to leave them there after they did their job.

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
Yes violence is the answer..hope the search and rescue folks find you before it snows......


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rackmaster
 
Yup everyone brings up the what if they get stranded what, if they cant walk out, what if they are just to stupid to know better? My anser is its there fault for being clear back in there and if i had walked that far in then they can walk that far back out! No i am nopt going to pack a chain around in my pack! Yes i have a camera and will take pics of the bike with 4 flat tires then call the f&g {valve stem remover} alot lighter than a chain and i didnt damage anything.
 
Whew, glad I purchased the run flats..They were spendy, but I can see they are gonna pay off...

So, what you boys gonna do with a bunch of pictures of overweight middle aged men when you get them? Start an album? You think LE is gonna do a back flip when you present them a picture of someone riding a wheeler?

(go for the tune-up...its the only thing tards understand)

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If rifle hunting was gay swbuckmaster would do it...
 
Does anyone what the exact law is i know there are areas where you cant leave the road and rodless areas but what are the rules for blm ground?
 
Break the law concerning shed hunting, lose your hunting privileges.

Break the law while using your quad, same, but also lose your quad, glass, and gear.

I don't believe doing damage to someone else's stuff, and then maybe getting in a gun fight because so, is the answer.

I don't think many here would risk their quad and their hunting privileges, even with few to enforce the law, over a small pile of bone.

Joey
 
Not sure whats more rediculous. The lazy horn hunters tearing up the land or the guys that admit that they are going to commit a crime and then take the law in to show them what they did.
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Well, it's just trash talk anyway.

I seriously doubt that anyone who abuses the ATV issue is a poster on here, nor do any of us wish to become physically involved in a confrontation with the dirtbags.

I don't have time to go to court over some dumbazz behaviour toward another person, or their property. Dosen't mean I can't TALK about doing it!

It's sort of like me having sex with Angelina Jolie...It won't happen, but it is sure fun to talk about! (It actually does happen, SHE just dosen't know it!)

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
I agree with sageadvice if people caught off road or harrasing wildlife to have there hunting priviledges took away.Then this might make these dirt bag's think before they do it.
I agree also on finding other proof to hammer these guys besides Doing the tune up.And risking yourself in trouble and even your family"s safety...You never know what some stranger might do to you when he finds out what you did to his rig.It's just not worth it to me...I dont think this is going to stop anyone anyway,well maybe for a few days.Then they are provoked to do it even more, And to catch the guy who beat up there rig.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-04-11 AT 01:30PM (MST)[p]you guys sound like a bunch of crazy loony environmentalists! wow! ''im gonna destroy there stuff if you hurt that sage brush mark my words you scum of the earth! save the pinion and junipers!! deer love to eat them! save the sage brush! without sage brush we wouldnt have deer!''
o wait with the amount of sage brush in utah we should be able to have over a million deer carrying capacity if it was actually their "crucial feed".

not saying im guilty of doing this, i hike my guts out. its how i keep in somewhat shape during winter
but you guys sound so dumb threatening people. i personally disagree it causes damage by driving over it once, if they are spinnin donuts or traveling the same path constantly than it does damage. but one pass over it does not, unless its actually digging into the ground, and maybe thats the case where you guys go, but i dont see it.. i cant see anywhere that last years atv shed hunters actually ruined anything when i go hiking. i cant see where grass did not grow in there tracks. i dont see were sage brush has died because it was drivin over.


threatening to destroy peoples property because there views are different then yours is insanity. if its your public land, than its theres as well. unless they are actually going into an area posted no motorized vehicles than shut up.
 
Whoa there big fella! If everyone did like you said there would certainly be major damage done to the environment! All it takes is one tire track to start the whole thing and then others follow thinking that "Well, everybody else is doing it!" I don't condone destroying another's property either, but they ARE destroying OUR property and doing harm to the animals as well. We all should be watching out for the animals and the environment on stuff like this because it's is just as important to most of us as having properly controlled hunting seasons, etc.!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-04-11 AT 02:37PM (MST)[p]everyone does drive 4 wheelers all over! there is not major damage unless its repeated uses of the same path!! than yes a trail is created. i hate 4 wheeler trails as much as the next guys. but 4 wheeler shed hunters dont take the same path as someone that was driving around looking for sheds too. do this, next time your out take some pics of the dmage done from last years 4 wheeler shed hunters. we should be able to see two rut roads everywhere. sage brush flats should have 4 wheeler trails every 20 yards. unless they are consistanyl driving on the same exact paths multiple times in a season than its not doing damage. 1 time does not ruin it, if its muddy and tearing up the soil and ripping up grasses yes that hurts it. but if your driving over snow or dry ground one pass does not damage it!
 
It seems a lot of you guys use the DWR or Fish & Game synonymously with the BLM and Forest Service. Your'e probably just talking in general terms. But in Utah if you call the DWR to tell them about illegal off road use they won't be able to do a thing. They have no jurisdiction over it. It is the land managing agency that has jurisdiction (e.g. Forest Service or BLM). If it occurrs on State land, then they have authority to do something. Anyway, it will save you some time if you go directly to the ones who have jurisdiction in the first place.

Yeah, it ticks me off when an illegal ATV'er drives by while I'm packing in for my hunt too, but you guys that are talking about vandalizing someones ATV or something to that effect need to be strung up as well. Get a life!
 
Put a vaulve stem remover in your pack boys! Then when they have to walk back to there truck go back to town to get a pump and 4 stems then walk back to there bike it might make them think twice. Nothing is broken or ruined on the bike!

No im not very nice.
 
I've nailed several idiots here in Montana. Cell phone, cameras and a GPS. Ain't technology great? Our local USFS law officer LOVES sticking it to the illegal offroaders. Can't argue with the valvestem thing though. mtmuley
 
Rackster you are wrong. The UDWR has a habitat destruction violation that they can write you for on federal lands--just the same as the USFS or BLM can write you for not having your ATV registered. Also, if they (DWR) feel the USFS or BLM would have a better case in federal court (and there is enough information) they will have the federal agency prosecute the case. Most of the times that the agencies "don't respond" or prosecute the law breakers is because it was hear-say, there is not enough information documented by the witness, or the witness does not want to testify in court (if it goes to that).
There have been a few times that the USFS has required a violator (on USFS) to contribute to the UT stop Poaching Fund.
The agencies work quite well together IMO.

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