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I was looking on google earth at some of the panoramio pictures from this area that i'm scouting, and one of the pictures had a guys email on it so I decided to email him and just get any info out of him about the deer in the area and stuff like that, and this is what he replied back to me haha....

"I'm sorry Jason, but I'm one of those people who think that modern-day hunting is barbaric and abhorrent. The wilderness that we are lucky to still have in Nevada and throughout the American West is sacred and divine, so to enter it with the intention of killing and blasting the brains out of the awesome creatures who live there and have the right to life as much as any intruding human being makes me sick. Hopefully, you will come to learn that it is eminently more satisfying and humane to shoot wild animals you happen to encounter with a camera and not a gun."

I hate tree huggers.... lol
 
The "funny" part here is that, his response was civil, non abusive and polite.

He expessed HIS OPINION, in a calm, respectful, manner.........



"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
>The "funny" part here is that,
>his response was civil, non
>abusive and polite.
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>He expessed HIS OPINION, in a
>calm, respectful, manner.........
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I was thinking the same thing

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hubba_3 copy this and write em back,

"Deer Modern A$$HOLE!!

I'm not going to say sorry for anything because I know I'm not in the wrong!! All I wanted to know and still want to know is if you know anything a about the damn deer!!?? How bout you quit being a Modern Day A$$HOLE who thinks it's ok to tell me WTF to do because you have AN OPINION!! EAT A ####!! Modern PLICK!!

Love Jason"

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/Feleno/zFix.jpg[/IMG] ~Z~
 
Wow!
These types have such a unusual outlook on life. I imagine that if hunting were outlawed, and deer and elk herds got so out of control that they couldn't drive 5 miles without hitting one, then one ends up smashing through the window killing a family member. Would they feel the same way? I am surrounded by these hippie types. I try to be friendly. But they always do something to cross that line. Like for example trespassing on my property last 4th of July with 15 or so pot smoking friends (because nobody really owns land), or cutting off my irrigation water, causing major backups and damage to my system. Because they thought I was overwatering my crops. I guess its a free country for everyone. Thank God! Happy Hunting Brother!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-12-11 AT 00:46AM (MST)[p]Come on now, wake the hell up people!

Things being as they are 'Jason', I would hope that you would take this opportunity to illustrate to this fellow that our modern hunting tradition is neither barbaric nor abhorrent, and that we hunters and fishers care deeply for our wildlife resources, and the habitat that supports them.

That it is we sportspeople whom chiefly and willingly fund our collective wildlife programs, and work to improve the potential for the land and the wildlife it supports to thrive, despite an ever encroaching and destructive human impact upon them.

That we prefer to maintain an intimate and respectful relationship with the cycle of life in the natural world, as opposed to the disgusting commoditization of livestock animals as a conveniently preslaughtered and neatly packaged primary source of meat for food.

This is assuming that you do understand and concur with these points, and have the capacity to act as a positively influencial example in the face of growing opposition to our hunting way of life we cherish?

Or would you choose to drive the wedge further, exacerbating the exponentially increasing probability of the loss of our great privelege to the significant power of an uneducated and misguided public opinion?

Ball in your court buddy, just remember whom you represent in the eyes of the so called 'antis'...and you can be damned sure ain't all of us "whack em and stack em" head huntin 'tard heros

Thanks for your consideration

**edit--don't know why this thing is set up to cut in above others comments? anyway, sorry about that
 
This same hugger is probably wearing leather shoes, eating a hamburger and sitting in front of a blazing fire burning nature just to stay warm?? I'll bet he drove a gas burning vehicle up into those mountains to get there too. Dipstick!!
 
See, now it's getting really "funny"!

The opportunity here, was to keep the "high ground"....but HELL NO!

The man should have received a "thank you for your response and I respect YOUR OPINION". Instead, we get "hat size IQ" hunters, raging away! The 6 years you guys spent in high school must have been a blitch!

These people exist and we cannot eliminate them. We have to work at getting them to feel the same way. Agree to disagree and respect each other's position on the subject.

It's not hard to see why there are more antis' than hunters. Sometimes, we simply look neanderthal. Confirmation that we are EXACTLY what they think we are!

True sportsmen don't stand a chance. On one hand, we have the antis' against us and on the other hand, we have retards amongst us, throwing gas on the fire. Brilliant!

VERY intelligent response there Never Catch. That will help!

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
Wait wait wait Nickman. You'll talk to these guys like they are idiots but expect everyone to be nice to the greenie.

"The 6 years you guys spent in high school must have been a blitch!"

You'll say that to a fellow hunter but you'll kiss the greenie's "berkenstock". Thats really special buddy!

I myself wouldn't respond to the guy.. at all. He doesn't deserve 5 seconds of my time. Oh and guys like him don't buy thier meat... they beat it.


"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
nickman, are you unable to sense scarcasm?? Or are you a MODERN A$$HOLE too?? :p

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they don't just hug trees they worship the earth as God!...thats why its ok to kill a human baby and not a Deer...
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-12-11 AT 08:40AM (MST)[p]Guess I can rest MY case....I knew it was going to be easy!

Something about, "fighting a battle of intelligence with an unarmed adversary".

P.S.

Yes, I know that I am an azzhole, but I am NOT a dumb azzhole!

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
No, I rest my case. I actually don't disagree with your line of thinking. Problem is that you expect others to be diplomatic in their communications with the non-hunting community but you can't practice the same methods among you peers. You need to remember who these people are and their capacity for reason. He will not change his mind about hunting. He is driven not by logic but emotion. The best and only response the individual deserves is "thank you for your time". Anything more than that will only fuel his fire.

Thank you for your time nickman.



"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
Whether we agree with the guy or not, he was polite and was nice enough to at least respond to the inquiry. More than likely he will not change his stance on the matter, so IMHO I would just jot him a thank you for his reply and tell him that hunters are really as in tune with nature as he is and leave it at that!
 
+1 on your take of all this nickman. After reading the non hunter's email response I was thinking nothing but positive about this guy. I'm kind of surprised at some of the replies people are posting.
 
You know the most interesting thing about this post is how quickly we supposedly fellow hunters jump all over each other on a subject like this. We either all stand together or surely we will all fall together. While I definatly dont not agree with the persons response on the email. I did have to appreciate his professional reply. Some times we just have to agree to disagree. How we respond to this statement tells people alot about us as hunters and sportsman. I would rather come across as rational and itelligent person. rather than a rabid nut job who has a hard time expressing my opinion on something I belive in. You may not like what he said but you have to appreciat the way he said It.
 
well you guys all have very strong opinions and i agree with everyone in one way or another. One part of me wants to tell this guys he's an idiot, but i also think he was polite so he deserves some respect... anyways, this is what i replied to him... let me know what you think...

"Thank you for your response. I would have to disagree however. Just because I am a hunter doesn't mean that I don't appreiciate and cherish the wilderness that we still have here in Nevada; in fact I would go as far to say that I enjoy the wilderness more than anyone I know. I'm not sure where you got the idea that just because I'm a hunter I'm going to "blast the brains out" of an animal? I believe that through hunting I've gained a greater respect for the animals because of all the time I've seen them and spent around them in the wild. I also only bow hunt so it makes it feel more accomplishing when I am successful (which isn't very often). Every piece of meat from the animal is taken to the butcher and me and my family eat it till its gone; we use it as a way to feed our family (the same thing as going to the store and buying a steak). I don't just kill animals for the heck of it. I respect those animals greatly and I'm not going to change my opinion on that. Just be aware that I don't just kill animals for the hell of it. I do it because I greatly appreciate the animals."
 
I'm with greatwestern and nickman on responding to the non-hunter. This
person made his point with tact and civility. A returned response would have warranted an equally civil and tactful counterpoint. We gain more in the long run by conducting ourselves with dignity and respect for all points of view, both hunting and non-hunting.

Eldorado
 
You hit it right on the nose Manny53... The same guy screamin that deer have every right to life as much as a human being- is guaranteed a Pro-Abortionist...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Hubba,

Good response.

You may have included in the end of your response that not only do you hunt because you have tremendous respect and want to spend every minute out in their environment, but humans have taken the life of other animals for thousands of years for food.
It is who we are. Many of us have not lost that spirit and are very proud of our canines and forward-facing eyes...we like to "do it ourselves".

One of my favorite quotes..."Man has been eating God's oats for a thousand years. It's not the place of a boy to change that tradition" Anyone guess the movie??
 
Hubba3.....Nicely done!

You made your point, expressed your opinion and left the discussion without insults or derogatory comments. He is not insulted, pissed off or hurt and might, just possibly, have gained some insight into your reasons for hunting.

Much more civilized than starting a pissing contest that you cannot win.

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
the tree hugger said........."Hopefully, you will come to learn that it is eminently more satisfying and humane to shoot wild animals you happen to encounter with a camera and not a gun."

You should write him(or her)back and say "Ive seen the light. I traded my rife for a camera. Thank you for setting me straight.

PS. can you tell me some good places to photograph some big bucks?

Love, Jason
 
haha no kidding... he would probably be like "OK! youre a swell guy! ok go to this draw and you will find some big bucks!!!" lol... wouldnt that be nice of him lol...
 
I dont know about you guys, but I have a hard time trusting a feller who packs his own poop out of the tundra in a plastic bag. Just sayin.
 
Right on H-3, thanks for doing that man...ya, we all want to tell em just to go to hell, but...well, you know the deal

Damnit Eel! Thanks alot fer makin me inhale my nice ale, eh brother!! :)
 
>the tree hugger said........."Hopefully, you will
>come to learn that it
>is eminently more satisfying and
>humane to shoot wild animals
>you happen to encounter with
>a camera and not a
>gun."
>
>You should write him(or her)back and
>say "Ive seen the light.
>I traded my rife for
>a camera. Thank you for
>setting me straight.
>
>PS. can you tell me some
>good places to photograph some
>big bucks?
>
>Love, Jason

I like the way you think Eel !
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Eel's post made me laugh too.

I don't understand how these type of people end up with such a low esteem for man. In the tree hugger response he refers to to himself and us as intruding humans. He is not the first that I heard use that language. If the wilderness is devine, it came from a devine source. The same source that placed man on earth and gave him dominion over the whole of it. Donimion to respect and nuture the earth as well as conserve it's resources. Hunting is conservation. It is our stewardship to take care of animal populations.

At first when I hear the skewed views spew forth from the liberal tree hugging types I feel angry and think "if you feel you're such an intrusion, do yourself and the rest of us a favor by ridding the planet of one more idiot" I don't relly feel that way it's just my first thought when the views they express come out so flawed. Instead I wish they could learn what mans role is on the earth and why they are here.
 
They will fail to realize the world they live in (mostly in SLC) is a forgotten place, devoid of new ideas or thinking outside the box. So they have no clue how to respond to the anti's rant. However, some members have posted on this thread cogent responses.
 
+++1 Pines.. great post

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
you guys all love the liberal letter.bet if he was sightseeing and his quad was parked off trail you would " tune-it up "
 
I don't understand how this treehuggin moron calls all of us hunters "Barbarians",states that he "abhors" us which means by definition to "loathe or detest", calls us "intruders" and states that we make him sick.

All of this and several here comment that he was "polite" and "civil"?????? If this is polite and civil then I would like to see what these here call uncivil??
 
+1 carlos.... the people we are trying to sway are the undecided middle ground.... this guy can have 1,000 conversation's with others about hunting and his views of hunter's will not change. A simple thank you for your time would have sufficed as a reply, by the fella who asked for info.


Has anyone seen my kittie?

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Well CARLOS.....Someone who posessed, even a childs portion of intellect, would clearly see that, what the man wrote and your personal "spin" on it are two different things.

The guy would destroy you in a civil debate on the topic!


"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
Anybody that can't read between the lines of what he wrote is clearly a inept moron as well.

Way to stand up for all hunters biggest enemies there Nickman, you should be real proud.

"wackin a surly treehugger ain't much of a crime".....Dope..
 
>Well CARLOS.....Someone who posessed, even a
>childs portion of intellect, would
>clearly see that, what the
>man wrote and your personal
>"spin" on it are two
>different things.
>
> The guy would destroy you
>in a civil debate on
>the topic!
>
>
>"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much
>of a crime"


LOL!.......The entire thread has sailed right over your head and you don't even have the capacity to see it!

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-13-11 AT 12:43PM (MST)[p]Bottom line is though it was a civil response and one that deserves a civil reply it will natrually cause angst inside each of us. The man calls our way of life intrusive and barbaric, its very natural for each and every one of us to take that very personal. To most of us hunting is not a hobby, it defines us in a very primal way. When you have someone say hunting is barbaric, to them they are refering to our hobby, to us they are attacking who we are, at our core. Its very natural for us to be defensive and lash out/back at the responder but this is where Nickman (however abrasive) is right. By lashing back we are only confirming their assumtions and creating an envirionment where no ground can be gained. We will not change theirs minds... but we can repond in such a way that it will not confirm their opinions of hunters as a whole. ie... lets not give this guy anymore reason to hate us.

EDIT: Remeber this, if/when the government falls and all these greenies are digging thru trash for left-over tofu... they won't think we're so barbaric, I can promise you that.

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
Nothing has sailed over my head except your flimsy, smug attitude toward the defense of an anti-hunter.

I think your hero, Gus McCrae, would be sorely disapointed in your spineless point of view.

"wackin a surly treehugger ain't much of a crime"
 
Jason,

Thank him for the photos and remind him there is nothing wrong with living off the land.

Peace in the Valley.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-13-11 AT 04:03PM (MST)[p]after writing this guy back, this is what he replied to me...

"You won me over man, so when are you having me over for elk burgers ?!

Seriously, as much as I hate this country's whole obsession with guns and don't like running into hunters out in the woods, I appreciate you took the time to explain your bow-hunting avocation. Most guys probably would have just said, "f*** off!"

Btw, I've explored them from both their east & west flank, and the S***** range really is spectacular.

See ya"
 
How is that not civil? Besides the use of a couple of choice words seems like he was joking around with you when he ask if he was invited for elk burgers. Then he basically says thanks for taking the time to explain yourself instead of saying F-off. I must be missing something here because I don't see him not being civil. This is the type of non-hunter I'd love to have a conversation with about his views and why he feels the way he does about guns and hunting.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-13-11 AT 04:00PM (MST)[p]Am I missing something here? You have a problem with that reply? That guy sounds like he's an MMer.



"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
ya you guys are right. sorry. when i first read it i got the idea that he was kinda smarting off to me, but i guess thats not what he was doing. I'm glad that he somewhat respects me now... now we need to work on the next one! lol
 
Hunting is a sacred spiritual excersize in my life, part of my personal form of worship. The anti doesn't have to hunt if he doesn't want to, I won't impose my lifestyle upon him and expect the same consideration.
 
How civil, polite and non-abusive would all you guys be if the anti or hugger attacked you in a way that was not within those guidelines? All of a sudden it's PC to be nice to huggers when members here (all of us hunters) attack each other on a regular basis over such things as long range shots, TV shows and use of vehicles. This particular gentlemen acted in a respectful way and did not deserve any disrespect in return, but they ain't all like that. mtmuley
 
Geez! This was all started by the response of one individual.....one person, without being a tree hugging ass, responded in an inoffensive manner.

My entire point was that hubba3 should..and did..respond in a similar fashion.

Had the guy been a "richard".....light him up!, I'll help!

Now all of a sudden, we get the "what iffers"....WTF ? "What if"?.....What if?....It is what it is/was!

What if you are a poacher? You have all the equipment to BE a poacher.....I think you MIGHT be, therefore I am going to automatically treat you like one!

Let's try this angle.

All tree huggars are not azzholes, just because some act like it!
All hunters are not azzholes, just because Nickman acts like it!

Does that help?

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
Elk burgers I thought you was hunting deer, He has to be a game warden LOL

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 

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