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For once in a lifetime images of Oroville dam overflowing since built + a busted spillway + RR Train on Levee crashes + lowlands under water, see above.

Oroville HAD been getting 190,000 CFS intake from rains. Now it's at 90,000 but spillway is only releasing 50,000 CFS....and it's quite a scene.

Gov. Brown asks Trump for help.

Jagerdad :)
 
Don't wanna hear any KALI Boys wanting to Steal TARDville water this Spring!

You Want More?

We'll give you some Right now!









 
What Errrrks me is one of the engineer's appeared on TV saying their past inspection of the spill way APPEARED ok. Yet, not one Physically inspected it. They simply looked at it and filled out the "OK" Paperwork and likely charging a big bill $$$$.

The engineer had excuses and well, some major things such as a Dam needs more than a visual distant glance.

I am critical because I have dealt with oversight investigations in Washington DC "After" critical failures resulting in Deaths.

Hence, accountability is important. In the Private Sector this engineer's Team would be out of a job.

Thanks for allowing me to Vent: Gurrrrr

PS: We have lots of Snow and always try to send elkassassin some...Oh, Mr. elkassassin, did you read the last entry in "My Probation" Post...? Yes, I THANK YOU also
 
I have no evidence of this.....but I'd bet money there were restrictions because of some trivial environmental concerns that prevented proper inspection and maintanance of that spillway......plus the incompetence and laziness of state employees.


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Elkassassin....YOUR Video link is accurate and the best. At around 1:30 large chunks of cement/concrete/rocks..? are seen flying something like 100 feet in the air and even further from it's origin.

If engineers removed Trees from the hill and gully that would slow dirt/waters then they must be thinking of saving the large power lines.

The Fed's are not responsible for everything but the State paints it this way. Yes, the Army Corps of enginering does have major authority over most all Levee's yet our State lacks in accountability and even Counties pass the Buck up hill.

If my area floods like it did in 1997, the Office of Emergency has evacuation centers on a map but, those places were under water in 1997 and shall be again....Go Figure.

Our Flood Insurance kicks in, 2-12-2017 "Thank God".

I hope none of you see me on TV floating under the Golden Gate Bridge :-(
 
I guess I better be careful what I pray for. Trump got elected and the drought ended. Both big time. :)

If they're going to blow up the mountain, they should at least run it through a sluice box and get the gold nuggets.
 
Massive amounts of Soil & Rock filling main River. This Drone is above Power Lines.

This below video has short advertisements but the author sure dislikes THE GOVERNMENT and has reasons for such feelings.


I wonder how many Equipment Operators will be hired at HIGH $$$ come Spring..?

Feddoc...maybe they need a good Plumber about now

Jagerdad :)
 
Got another flood event coming nobody else is talking about. Modesto is gonna get it. Don Pedro lake is full, they've been discharging max amount and making no headway. The upstream lakes have been holding extra water and are approaching max capacity. Something has to give.
 
eel, you're a smart guy by mentioning the Silt. Back in the start of the 1980's Environmentalists did something which Outlawed Dredging in the Delta. Our Delta(s) are massive all through Northern California. I used to always see Barges with a large Crane splashing its large bucket into the River and lifting up Black Mud and dumping it atop the Levee. This Mud is very Fertile and Farmers moved the soils down the sides of the Levee's and into their growing fields. Asparagus thrived on this soil.

Once the Dredging was Outlawed, the Silt gathered once again on the Rivers bottom and this raised the water levels against the sides of all Levee's. All Levee's belong to the Army Corps of Engineering, even if most all Levee's were simply built by Chinese Laborers. The Fed's put in place Irrigation Districts yet, only gave them authority: "To Maintain" their respective Levee system.

To date, very small sections have been brought up to modern code's and the newer Earth Quake codes. Hence, Levee Failures. The most common reason for such failures is Trapping was outlawed in 1978 and Beavers dig into then upward within the Levee for their Dens. Often Farm workers in a buss or truck driving down a Farm Levee falls down into an old Beaver Den. Those get repaired but the farmer does it with dirt, simply to have his Levee Road open again.

The Soil, Rocks, Tree's, etc being flushed into the Feather River by the broken Dam system will need Dredging and, Lot's of it.

If I were a Heavy Equipment Operator or Company Owner in a different State, I would look into being on the California List of either placing a Bid on such work or, being on a Hiring list ASAP.

California Politicians are looking like FOOLS over this Dam issue. They will spend Millions upon Millions just to look concerned. Just in a normal year where Fires pop up, the State & Feds hire Private Citizens under: "Equipment for Hire". Just a basic Water Truck with 2 men so it might, if needed, be available at a Fire in one 24hr period = $2,400.00 per day. The Feds pay more so..?..what a Water Truck Owner Operator is paid now in 2017.

The guy's who hustle and get on such "Cherry Rides" always make a fortune.

Jagerdad :)
 
You are Correct and that is the same scenario that existed in 1997 that when they released waters, they destroyed countless Homes down river.

We were awoken at 2am by the Sheriff at our door saying to evacuate.

By 4 and 5am workers going to Livermore Lab heard the new evacuation map via Cat Country Radio and turned around. Folks I had not seen in Years, walked in and grabbed furniture, guns, files, everything and drove away. Our Home was totally emptied and I had my Wife and Children leave.

This was an amazing act of human kindness'sssss

I.... like an anti Government anti everything guy, stayed in my Home, alone. I was not going to let Looters even get near my Home.

Yep, they did enter the area but had good reasons to leave fast. There were no cell phones in 1997 per say.

I look back upon that morning with Honor to have such friends.
 
Be ready for it again John. Pedro is going to be spilling within the next couple days probably sooner. Not a crazy amount, until this next round of storms. I can't believe it's not being discussed on the news.
 
Dear..264mag. I do not understand your meaning.

Soj51hopefull... This is not a Hunting subject but I hope guys like you will not say where I live yet, offer help in person, if the worst happens. Soj51hopefull... "YOU are a Man, I would Trust" and in Law Enforcement's Highest terms of respect, it is worded as: "I would go through a Door with YOU".

Imagine how it feels to fight Government over Levee Improvements since 1990...90, not 97... seven years earlier and still, no one is accountable.

Now in 2017, my family is under the identical threats.

The DWR (Dept of Water Resources) has on their website, River levels. I could write a book on this topic.

Jagerdad :)
 
That Emergency Spillway is one of the Poorest Designs I've ever seen!

Anybody know who the Dumb-Ass is that designed that?










 
Another one.

Officials order evacuation of residents near California dam
Associated Press 14 minutes ago .

OROVILLE, Calif. (AP) ? Officials have ordered residents near one of the nation's biggest dams to evacuate the area, saying a "hazardous situation is developing" after an emergency spillway severely eroded.

The emergency spillway of the Oroville Dam in Northern California could fail within an hour unleashing uncontrolled flood waters from Lake Oroville, the California Department of Water Resources said on Sunday afternoon.

People in downstream areas need to leave the area immediately, the department said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/water-flow-slowing-over-emergency-spillway-tallest-us-204732388.html
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-17 AT 07:47PM (MST)[p]How many spillways that lake got manny?:eek:

Go easy on me eel, I'm a couple whiskeys in!
 
The main spillway is crippled ,the emergency spillway is failing,they are relasing 100,000 a minute from the spillway to relieve pressure off the emergency spillway ,with that much water going down the river they have to evacuate clear to Yuba city and Marysville.
 
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That Emergency Spillway is a F'N Joke!









 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-17 AT 08:33PM (MST)[p]Oroville dam is screwed but all the surrounding reservoirs like Shasta are holding back their discharges to allow room from the feather river going into the Sacramento River. Meanwhile the surrounding reservoirs are FILLING. The storm coming this week will make them all spill at the same time. The flood is coming! If you are anywhere in the flat lands of ca get your stuff gathered now! Not just the northern sac valley, San juaquine valley too.
 
They have issued evacuation orders from Oroville down to Marysville-Yuba City including several small towns in between those two points.
Our son who lives in Plumas Lake sub-division brought his wife and son up to our home and he went back down in his unmarked narcotics pickup to assist in evacuations at Yuba City and Marysville.
Our other son lives next to the Sacramento River in Sutter county at the family farm. He should be alright as the Feather River does dump into the Sacramento River, but appox. 20 miles downstream of the farm.

Does not look good. I went though two floods involving levee breaks when I was with the Sheriff's Dept. and the last one I worked 36 straight hours with no breaks doing evacuations and rescue work.

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>Oroville dam is screwed but all
>the surrounding reservoirs like
>Shasta are holding back their
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>gathered now! Not just the
>northern sac valley, San juaquine
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Thanks for the heads up! My daughter lives in Turlock.
 
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>his bullet train completed.

followed by a lecture on how global warming causes floods.
 
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>global warming causes floods.


And how this is all Trumps fault!
 
We saw extraordinary rain fall in October. Coming off of drout years we kept water. November weather was good December above average. Now beginning of January extreme amounts of precip we still held on to water because it was too early to release. End of January into February and now we can't get rid of water fast enough.
 
Lake Oroville has enough Water to cover the entire State of Connecticut in ONE FOOT of Water.

There are many lakes in Northern Calif and I ( Family Home ) are just "Feet" from the San Joaquin River ( with old Levee's ) with over filled Dam's up River :-(

Send us your Prayers.

Jagerdad :-(
 
Stay vigilant Jager.

Governor Brown was unavailable for comment as he was in an important meeting planning the water conservation strategy for this summer.
 
I understand that in this forum the phrase "Environmental Groups" may instantly increase readers Blood Pressure. It did the same to me up until I was in my early 40's. Environmental Groups are not so hard to listen to IF, I closely listen to their arguments/concerns. Yes, it takes Patience but I had saw how large Businesses controlled the State and Federal Government. It seldom mattered if the topic was Democrat or Republican based, MONEY always won.

Government bodies always circled their wagons and this wall could seldom be opened. See below Please.
Due to emotions I entered two comments below and Italicized them. I am a Gentleman yet I am Human and vulnerable to being Pissed-Off.

http://www.orovillemr.com/article/NB/20170212/NEWS/170219920
Oroville >> More than a decade ago, federal and state officials and some of California?s largest water agencies rejected concerns that Oroville Dam?s emergency spillway ? at risk of collapse Sunday night and prompting the evacuation of 130,000 people ? could erode during heavy winter rains and cause a catastrophe.

Three environmental groups ? the Friends of the River, the Sierra Club and the South Yuba Citizens League ? filed a motion with the federal government on Oct. 17, 2005, as part of Oroville Dam?s relicensing process, urging federal officials to require that the dam?s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen hillside.

The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as ?loss of crest control.?

?A loss of crest control could not only cause additional damage to project lands and facilities but also cause damages and threaten lives in the protected floodplain downstream,? the groups wrote.

The Bush administration rejected that request, however, after the state Department of Water Resources, and the water agencies that would likely have had to pay the bill for the upgrades, said they were unnecessary. Those agencies included the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, and the State Water Contractors, an association of 27 agencies that buy water from the state of California through the State Water Project.

Federal officials at the time said that the emergency spillway was designed to handle 350,000 cubic feet per second and the concerns were overblown.

?It is important to recognize that during a rare event with the emergency spillway flowing at its design capacity, spillway operations would not affect reservoir control or endanger the dam,? wrote John Onderdonk, a senior civil engineer with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission?s San Francisco Office, in a July 27, 2006, memo to his managers.

?The emergency spillway meets FERC?s engineering guidelines for an emergency spillway,? he added. ?The guidelines specify that during a rare flood event, it is acceptable for the emergency spillway to sustain significant damage.?

This weekend, as Oroville Lake?s level rose to the top and water couldn't be drained fast enough down the main concrete spillway because it had partially collapsed on Tuesday, millions of gallons of water began flowing over the dam?s emergency spillway for the first time in the dam?s nearly 50-year history.

On Sunday, with flows of only 6,000 to 12,000 cubic feet per second ? water less than 5 percent of the rate that FERC said was safe ? erosion at the emergency spillway became so severe that officials from the State Department of Water Resources ordered the evacuation of more than 130,000 people. The fear was that the erosion could undercut the 1,730-foot-long concrete lip along the top of the emergency spillway, allowing billions of gallons of water to pour down the hillside toward Oroville and other towns downstream.

Such an uncontrolled release from California?s second-largest reservoir while it was completely full could become one of the worst dam disasters in U.S. history.

?We said, ?Are you really sure that running all this water over the emergency spillway won't cause the spillway to fail??? said Ron Stork, policy director with Friends of the River, a Sacramento environmental group that filed the motions in 2005. ?They tried to be as evasive as possible. It would have cost money to build a proper concrete spillway.?Stork watched with horror Sunday night as the emergency spillway was at risk of collapse.

?I'm feeling bad that we were unable to persuade DWR and FERC and the Corps to have a safer dam,? he said Sunday.

Stork said that officials from the Department of Water Resources told him informally that the Metropolitan Water District and the water contractors who buy water from Oroville did not want to incur the extra costs.

?I'm sad and hoping, crossing my fingers, that they can prevent the reservoir from failing,? he said. ?I don't think anybody at DWR has ever been this close in their careers to such a catastrophic failure.?

Lester Snow, who was the state Department of Water Resources director from 2004 to 2010, said Sunday night that he does not recall the specifics of the debate during the relicensing process 11 years ago.

?The dam and the outlet structures have always done well in tests and inspections,? Snow said. ?I don't recall the FERC process.? ( Sounds like Hillary ref her email Home Server )

Stork said at the time he talked to Snow about the environmental group?s concerns, he recalls that Snow said the issue was being handled mostly by one of his lieutenants.

A filing on May 26, 2006, by Thomas Berliner, an attorney for the State Water Contractors, and Douglas Adamson, an attorney for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, discounted the risk. It urged FERC to reject the request to require that the emergency spillway be armored, a job that would have cost tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars. ( Cut's into Profits )

?The emergency spillway was designed to safely convey the Probable Maximum Flood, and DWR has reviewed and confirmed the efficacy of the PMF hydrologic analysis for Oroville Reservoir,? the attorneys noted.

Ultimately, they were successful. FERC did not require the state to upgrade the emergency spillway.
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The water in Oroville is for Southern California...A Desert. Yet other Lakes like Folsom are Flood Control so they toss their waters and in the drought, this waste has made many folks mad.

Jagerdad :-(
 
> That Emergency Spillway is a
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That som ##### in that video designed that spill,I think he is from Utah.
 
On ALL TV stations, Gov. Jerry Brown is Missing in Action. Not 1 TV appearance.

FEMA is not even mentioned. 180,000+ People Evacuated.

FEMA should be stepping in for those who actually GOT a Hotel/Motel Room and FEMA guarantees Payment for each night.

Even though this is California, readers must remember, this problem is in Northern California. Folks here do not earn the money that those in Silly-Con Valley and the LA South + San Diego earn.

Most and Many displaced folks have Horses, Farm Animals and as noble as any American can be, as soon as they heard Evacuate, they did.

No Fights, no issues other than clogged roads and many roads are closed, they all acted well.

Not one Riot.


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Yes, bad Humor....?

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But as we become upset by the Government ( FEMA ) and so many elected Officials, Venting is ok, for now. But read the below Link and if you have one ounce of distrust in an Enviromental Group, this article shows the Gov circles it's Wagons and crushes those concerned with safety and help Major Businesses in selling Water to the South.... Los Angles, all Cities South that are in a Desert, where little should have been developed. They drained/took Water from everywhere. Money first then Votes.

It only takes a minute or so to read the below. Pretty neat information we never heard. TV Reporters are asking the DWR Director about this and he says, like Hillary Clinton when asked about her Home email server wiped before handed over: "I don't recall the matter"(Below...and he is the Director...!!!!)

http://www.orovillemr.com/article/NB/20170212/NEWS/170219920

The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as ?loss of crest control.?

?A loss of crest control could not only cause additional damage to project lands and facilities but also cause damages and threaten lives in the protected floodplain downstream,? the groups wrote.

The Bush administration rejected that request, however, after the state Department of Water Resources, and the water agencies that would likely have had to pay the bill for the upgrades, said they were unnecessary. Those agencies included the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, and the State Water Contractors, an association of 27 agencies that buy water from the state of California through the State Water Project.

Federal officials at the time said that the emergency spillway was designed to handle 350,000 cubic feet per second and the concerns were overblown.

?It is important to recognize that during a rare event with the emergency spillway flowing at its design capacity, spillway operations would not affect reservoir control or endanger the dam,? wrote John Onderdonk, a senior civil engineer with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission?s San Francisco Office, in a July 27, 2006, memo to his managers.


?The emergency spillway meets FERC?s engineering guidelines for an emergency spillway,? he added. ?The guidelines specify that during a rare flood event, it is acceptable for the emergency spillway to sustain significant damage.?

This weekend, as Oroville Lake?s level rose to the top and water couldn't be drained fast enough down the main concrete spillway because it had partially collapsed on Tuesday, millions of gallons of water began flowing over the dam?s emergency spillway for the first time in the dam?s nearly 50-year history.

On Sunday, with flows of only 6,000 to 12,000 cubic feet per second ? water less than 5 percent of the rate that FERC said was safe ? erosion at the emergency spillway became so severe that officials from the State Department of Water Resources ordered the evacuation of more than 130,000 people. The fear was that the erosion could undercut the 1,730-foot-long concrete lip along the top of the emergency spillway, allowing billions of gallons of water to pour down the hillside toward Oroville and other towns downstream.

Such an uncontrolled release from California?s second-largest reservoir while it was completely full could become one of the worst dam disasters in U.S. history.

?We said, ?Are you really sure that running all this water over the emergency spillway won't cause the spillway to fail??? said Ron Stork, policy director with Friends of the River, a Sacramento environmental group that filed the motions in 2005. ?They tried to be as evasive as possible. It would have cost money to build a proper concrete spillway. ?Stork watched with horror Sunday night as the emergency spillway was at risk of collapse.?I'm feeling bad that we were unable to persuade DWR and FERC and the Corps to have a safer dam,? he said Sunday.

Stork said that officials from the Department of Water Resources told him informally that the Metropolitan Water District and the water contractors who buy water from Oroville did not want to incur the extra costs.

?I'm sad and hoping, crossing my fingers, that they can prevent the reservoir from failing,? he said. ?I don't think anybody at DWR has ever been this close in their careers to such a catastrophic failure.?

Lester Snow, who was the state Department of Water Resources director from 2004 to 2010, said Sunday night that he does not recall the specifics of the debate during the relicensing process 11 years ago.

?The dam and the outlet structures have always done well in tests and inspections,? Snow said. ?I don't recall the FERC process.?

Stork said at the time he talked to Snow about the environmental group?s concerns, he recalls that Snow said the issue was being handled mostly by one of his lieutenants.

A filing on May 26, 2006, by Thomas Berliner, an attorney for the State Water Contractors, and Douglas Adamson, an attorney for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, discounted the risk. It urged FERC to reject the request to require that the emergency spillway be armored, a job that would have cost tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.

?The emergency spillway was designed to safely convey the Probable Maximum Flood, and DWR has reviewed and confirmed the efficacy of the PMF hydrologic analysis for Oroville Reservoir,? the attorneys noted.

Ultimately, they were successful. FERC did not require the state to upgrade the emergency spillway.
 
The RCBS store in Oroville is (or was):) a place I stopped every time I was over there. I sculled the Thermalito afterbay usually 3 o4 times a year when I was a hard core duck hunter.

The RCBS store was like walking into a taxidermy shop as they have animals from all over the world. Pretty cool.
 
tylercreek2.....I struggle at being Brief so I used feet. It is actually the distance of 3 telephone poles down any Town USA as one drives down any road. Best Brevity I can muster.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-17 AT 09:47PM (MST)[p]a mile is just feet......about 5280 of them...but still....just feet.

....and....brevity is the soul of whit....
 
I live around 18 miles north of the dam and have been following this problem closely. Watching the head of DWR at the noon press conference yesterday didn't give me much confidence in the oversight of the dam. But then I remembered that DWR is part of the government.
 
I wonder if the concrete contractor is cringing now?


Years ago (1960ish) the runways at a local military base were shorted by 2" worth (thickness) of concrete. That adds up to a lot when you consider how long they were.

That guy did time.
 
Pics I've seen looks to be at least 2ft thick complete with rebar. There's only ever been two kinds of concrete, the kind that's cracked, and the kind that's gonna crack. I'd say this exposed Concrete had probably outlived it's shelf life.
 
Larrbo are you referring to the head of DWR that could not recall the lawsuits brought by the three conservation groups in 2005 to have the emergency spillway covered in concrete. He somewhat cringed when that question was brought up by the reporter at the conference .

RELH
 
Hey Eel, Chico is not in danger unless the whole dam failed. Spent the weekend at Almanor but had to come back and go to work.
 
They mighta Lucked out!

Sounds like they're getting the Water Level Lowered!

GUARAN-F'N-TEED,If they had let it keep runnin over that So Called Emergency Spillway the Shite woulda Hit the Fan!

Who TF Designed that anyway?










 
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The same kind of people who had offspring like that guy in your video.
 

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