Ethical Hunter

BuckSkinner79

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Didn't know this till a few weeks back I was coming through a town. As I was coming south on a certain road, I noticed some nice bucks just off the road. As I spun around to observe these, I noticed that there were a couple other people watching these bucks. As I went to take a picture with my camera from my truck.. I noticed a person step from the trees, less than 60 yards from my truck and a MAJOR ROAD. This person had one of these big ol bucks run at him and he pulled back his bow, and hit the buck.

As an outdoorsman I thought that I just witnessed a poaching. It was inside city limits, shooting in the direction of a busy traveled road, and flat out wrong.

Made a call to the local authorities. They confronted the people involved in this incident. Long story short, come to find out that certain cities have ordinances that permit hunting inside city limits.

So, I pose the question...Ethical vs Not Ethical? Personally I don't think I would. A. Busy Road B. City Limits C. Cheating ...

Don't really agree with what went down. PD called the DWR, they said it was legal, guy goes and recovers a dandy of a buck.

Thoughts?
 
Since it depends on the town- I'm all for it... there are plenty of small towns that I've been through here in utah that could EASILY allow hunting. As such, i believe that town should reserve the right to allow, or disallow hunting within their own city...

I hope the guy is a member here and posts his buck...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-11 AT 09:32PM (MST)[p]Do I want my kill scene photos to have a 7-11 in the background- nope.

But there is obviously a need to harvest deer withing the city limits if they've legalized it.

If there was doubt to whether it was legal, you did the right thing in calling LE, or DWR...but oncee informed of the legality of it, I'd say good for him(the hunter).




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If its legal I see no problem with hunting in city limits. Sense I'm only getting your side of the story and the cops didn't site the bowhunter I'm not sure he broke any laws or not.

Back east I've seen tree stands within a hundred yards of wall-mart parking lots. Its only out west where I see people complaining about hunting in city limits.

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Are you upset because it was a "big" buck? Or because you thought it was not safe?

Do you know that there are lots of city's that hire($$$$$$) out Animal Damage Agents to shoot tons of deer in town to control the population. (most often as far as I know, out east with whitetails)

Wonder how much damage is done by all these "town" deer? I bet it is a lot more then a guy thinks.

Sounds like he was legal and made a good shot to me. I think more towns should have some sort of hunting season allowed...

Knock, Knock... Uh yes mam, can I set up a ground blind on the water hole in your back yard? What water hole? You mean my swimming pool? Uh no Mam, I am an outdoorsman, and that is a water hole on a well traveled game trail. Uh, sure I guess go ahead and set up your little tent, but we will be having a B-Bque at 6 tonight, will that mess your hunt up? Uh, no mam it will not, the smoke will serve as a coversent. Do you want me to bring some chicken to you tonight? No thanks, I have some jerkey and a high protien energy bar. One more thing mam; do you mind if I put out a trail camera or two? I am thinking that jungle gym over there would be a great funnel point and I should be able to pattern these big bucks!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-11 AT 08:37PM (MST)[p]If it's legal and safe to do so, then I have no problems with the hunter taking the shot and killing the buck. To each his own style of hunt.

Eldorado
 
Done it myself back in Iowa. I know of numerous towns and large cities that have tried professional deer rifle marksmen, birth control by darting, and archery deer hunters. So far as I am aware most have ended up going with archery hunters since it is the most cost effective and these towns can create their own seasons and licenses while drawing in a few extra dollars. Everyone wins except the animal lovers cuz poor bambi got shot but come heck if that deer eats the garden or flowers. Although most cities/towns in Iowa that do offer a season also require the hunter to pass a archery proficiency, rules, and safety course. Very popular hunts with some real trophy potential. Each year some controversy arrises because of it but it soon quiets down again.
So for me I say go for it...


"Courage is being scared to death but saddling
up anyway."
 
Get a life Buckskinner. Why would you post something this trivial, even after the fact you found out it was perfectly legal. You remind me of all the old fart neighbors I had as a kid growing up in St. George. They'd spy out their window constantly and call the authorities on the dumbest chit.

Just live your life and let others do the same. If it was a violation that's one thing, but it wasn't.
 
im all for it as long as the deer aren't used to being hand fed and somebody walks up and sticks them with an arrow when the deer is expecting an apple. when i was a kid i used to hunt the neighborhood cats with my bow.:)
 
If it's legal great. I'd rather see a deer killed by a hunter than a car or some dogs running lose. It happens where I live in Utah. There's been some great bucks shot. I do see your point and this type of hunting doesn't interest me.
 
Didnt say I was mad about the kill shot, or the fact that the guy got a great buck. I just thought that it was a little "ify" shooting bows these days that are faster and hit harder, had the guy missed, might of created a problem. Problem being that he was aiming right towards my truck where my two little ones were sitting in the backseat watching it all unfold. Everyone has an opinion, mine is just that an opinion. I was curious to see what other people would say. Thanks for the input, good discussion.

Not posting a "trivial thing" just wanted to discuss. I think it's so funny that guys get on here and belittle people and their opinions.. Deadibob, maybe you should "get a life" bud. You seem not to be able to have a conversation, it's an adult thing!
 
Not any different than the Front here in Salt Lake. We can shoot deer out of peoples back yards if we have permission. With centerfire rifles it's 600' from a building or structure. Salt Lake County removed their 1/2 mile ordinance and "in the pursuit of game" clause about a year and a half ago and as of Feb 2011 hadn't replaced it with anything new.

I don't like hunting that close to the homes, but I do know of quite a few big bucks that are using the neighborhoods for cover most of the year and the scenario of hunting out of a tuff shed over a trail cam mounted to the swingset is actually quite possible right up the road from my house :)

Cheers,
Pete
 
No big deal.....we have deer in small towns in Northern California, that have lived in town so long, they use crosswalks and obey stoplights.

"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"
 
If he was legal, more power to him. Not my forte but to each thier own. My only issue is if it was as dangerous as you say and a poor shot could have resuled in putting his arrow in the back seat of your truck, yeah he deservs an ass kicking and should not have taken the shot. If the situation is a bit dramatized and that arrow had to go 300 yards uphill, through thick brush, a grove of quakies, and a sound wall to hit the highway, leave the guy alone.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-06-11 AT 10:51PM (MST)[p]I live just outside the city limits, and have had 7 bucks near my house most nights. I have no interest in shooting these bucks, even though they are not tame at all.

I do have a problem with guys shooting bows/guns within 100 yards of my house. I have 4 kids out playing, and can't see any deer worth risking a life. You can't always see a small child in the tall grass.

There is no sport in it for me. A guy killed a 30" buck next to my house 2 years ago, I saw it the night before, and didn't even consider getting my bow out.

If a guy wants to shoot these bucks and brag about it more power to him, but don't endanger my children doing it.

Some people just lose their mind when they see a buck during the hunt. People road hunting with a rifle see a 2 point, and cannot control their actions. Scarry.
 
Not to be playing devils advicate, but...

If this "hunter" knew he was in a legal area to shoot(which it seems he was), and you flipped a U-turn to go back and look at some deer in a legal hunting area...his back drop was clear until you turned around and parked your rig behind his legal target, thus endangering yourselves.

Not saying he should have shot or not, and the consequences of a miss would be his to live with.

Just another thought on the whole thing.



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>Didnt say I was mad about
>the kill shot, or the
>fact that the guy got
>a great buck. I just
>thought that it was a
>little "ify" shooting bows these
>days that are faster and
>hit harder, had the guy
>missed, might of created a
>problem. Problem being that he
>was aiming right towards my
>truck where my two little
>ones were sitting in the
>backseat watching it all unfold.
>Everyone has an opinion, mine
>is just that an opinion.
>I was curious to see
>what other people would say.
>Thanks for the input, good
>discussion.
>
>Not posting a "trivial thing" just
>wanted to discuss. I think
>it's so funny that guys
>get on here and belittle
>people and their opinions.. Deadibob,
>maybe you should "get a
>life" bud. You seem not
>to be able to have
>a conversation, it's an adult
>thing!


I'll bet if you hadn't "spun around to observe" your truck and your two little ones wouldn't have been in the line of fire. Of course you never mentioned the little ones in your original post. I can have a conversation, it's just that this seems like one of the many things hardly worth conversing over.
 
I think it is awesome a hunter can use a bow in the city limits. It is creating another oppurtunity to hunt, makes money for the state and doens't for the city to spend money for a sniper team to "practice" on deer.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
I have done it before too, a lady that lives on the outskirts of town (still in city limits) was having deer problems on her property so she was able to get some depredation tags. I was only 13 so I am not exactly sure how I got the tag, but when my dad asked if I wanted to kill a deer with my bow I was game. One morning before school my Dad took me down there and I made a 40 yard shot on my first archery deer. Kinda funny because the deer was on the edge of her alfalfa field when I shot it and it hopped the fence, ran 50 yards and died on her neighbors front yard. I knocked on the door at about 7:15am and told the guy what happened and he helped me field dress it right there in his driveway.

Would I do it again? Probably not, but at 13 years old it was good practice for an up and coming archer.

Hunt Hard. Shoot Straight. Kill Clean. Apologize to No One.
 
Reminds me of a story I once read where the author was hunting whitetails back east from a tree and he arrowed arrowed a buck on a Friday afternoon. It was a good hit, so he climbed down and started following the blood trail.

To his horror, the blood trail led right to the local high school football stadium, and sure enough, the buck had expired on the 50 yard line. He entered stadium, the players from both teams who were huddled together around the carcass parted as he walked up to the dead buck, grabbed it by an antler and dragged it off the field as the entire stadium just stood there watching in silence.
 
I'm not a fan of hunting "city deer". To each his own, but hunting is more to me than a big buck to brag about.

I'd rather shoot a small buck in the Great Outdoors than a big buck in between hole 9 and the high school.

Grizzly
 
Deadibob - if its not worth conversing about then why take the time to put your voice into it. I simply wanted to know what others thought. And again, I wouldn't do it, big buck or not. I go hunting to leave the city, get away from the rat race. You want to shoot deer with archery tackle in a city, power to you and whomever. Simply holding a conversation bud. Not making attacks or trying to prove that my opinion is right, just interested in what fellow hunters have to say.
 
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"We can have no "50-50" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all".
Theodore Roosevelt
 
I killed my last buck within the city limits of a town that allows bowhunting. As long as hunters take the proper safety precautions and its legal what is the problem? I guess this is a question for the ethics police to parse out!
 
Congrats to the hunter


"blaming guns for violence is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'donnell being fat."
 
If it's legal why would you care what he does, I'm sure he don't care what you do. If it's legal BTFO

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Not sure I agree with the "if it's legal" do it. It is legal to take 150 yard archery shot at a running elk...but I don't think I would consider that "ethical"?
 
In my opinion it is both legal and ethical. I think it is better then some over paid "sniper" to be hired to shoot them. I was so pissed when Bountiful hired "professional" hunters to kill a bunch of deer up on the foot hills. I say you were dumb enough to build your house in the animal's wintering grounds, you get to have your garden munched on!!

Good for the hunter on doing his homework.
 
I was talkin to a former DWR cop that in the academy with me and he was talkin about how each deer has a price tag and is worth x amount of dollars. I chimed in with a "well those b*stards are free and worthless if you drive to bountiful!". I got a few laughs becase there were only a few hunters in the class.


back to the subject though. As long as it is legal I believe it to be ethical. I don't like people working the system especially when it comes to wounding multiple animals, but for themost part, if the law says do it, then do it.


its like shooting a spike by 6 in a spike unit. The law says you can and you should be able to!

this is my 600th post. congrats to me.


It was a big bodied 2 point.
 

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