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Wow! I've never seen so much orange than I did the first couple of days up in G this year! It's becoming a joke up there on the first few days or so. Talked to a buddy who also packed into another area and had a total of 18 different hunters in one small area. I had 6 others in the basin I was hunting. There's nowhere up there anymore to find seclusion. Oh well, sorry for the whining.
 
Its been bad since the mid 90's we quit hunting there in 2003 when it just got to be to much for us to handle. You can blame Mike eastman he whored that area out just to make a dollar.
 
put some blame on Wyo. game amd fish too.
Letting unlimited resident hunters with over the counter tags can't help either.
Make the hole state limited #'s in all units, like colo...
Just a thought...
 
Let's not forget "Huntin' Fool" and MM.com!!DBB-That's blasphemy!How dare you suggest that spoiled Wyoming hunters give anything up!
 
They wont put it on limited quota for residents we have tried to get them to do it. We even sugested it during those stupid waste of time wyoming range muledeer meetings but they said no. If you cant get the game and fish to do something that the majority of the people want then you know the deer herds G and H are really screwed and nothing will be down tell there is no more deer left.
 
>Let's not forget "Huntin' Fool" and
>MM.com!!DBB-That's blasphemy!How dare you suggest
>that spoiled Wyoming hunters give
>anything up!


I agree 100% Cliff. I could leave Wyoming, but there's no way in hell I ever would. I chose to live here because I can hunt the Wyoming high country every year. I know how to fix it, but the Game and Fish likes that nonresident money too much.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-11 AT 03:51PM (MST)[p]I agree 100% tradbow, I know where the starting cuts should be made. Scouting trips this year turned up nothing but NR license plates. Don't get me wrong, the guys are nice and just as friendly as anyone, but, I don't understand what is wrong with hunting in UT, CO, WA, OR, MT???!!! Is it so bad in your own state that you don't even hunt there, you have to go to another state!!?? I know there are elk and deer and good country to hunt in other states, granted I don't exactly know how the regulations go for those states, but I don't really care to, I've got a perfectly good state to hunt in right here. Personally I get tired of seeing more NR license plates on opening weekend than resident plates.

Oh yeah, nice deer by the way.
 
People can say its because residents can hunt G and H with out limitation and thats why its over hunted. But those are nonresidents saying that. The truth of the matter is there are way more nonresidents hunting G nad H than residents end of story. When I used to hunt the wilderness in H you would see hunters everywhere and when you asked them they would say they were from wyoming but every truck at the trail head had nonresident plates. Drive down the Greys river road on sept 15 and you will see 10 times the nonresident plates than residents.
 
Tags need to be limited in G no doubt for non residents but this crap spouting and bashing of non-residents hunting in your "state" is wrong guys. This is America. This type of behavior does nothing good for the sport.

Thank a non resident the next time you pay next to nothing for your deer tag.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-11 AT 05:25PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-11
>AT 03:51?PM (MST)
>
>I agree 100% tradbow, I know
>where the starting cuts should
>be made. Scouting trips
>this year turned up nothing
>but NR license plates.
>Don't get me wrong, the
>guys are nice and just
>as friendly as anyone, but,
>I don't understand what is
>wrong with hunting in UT,
>CO, WA, OR, MT???!!!
>Is it so bad in
>your own state that you
>don't even hunt there, you
>have to go to another
>state!!?? I know there
>are elk and deer and
>good country to hunt in
>other states, granted I don't
>exactly know how the regulations
>go for those states, but
>I don't really care to,
>I've got a perfectly good
>state to hunt in right
>here. Personally I get
>tired of seeing more NR
>license plates on opening weekend
>than resident plates.
>
>Oh yeah, nice deer by the
>way.


I live in WA and the hunting is piss pour. If it wasn't for the blacktails I wouldn't hunt my own state. I've never hunted in G or H but it has to be better than any high country hunt that WA has.
 
Thanks Timberbuck! It is true that a resident deer tag for Wyo is very inexpensive. The amount a non resident is charged if feel is way to much. This said, we subsidize the F&G as does a resident. Ive hunted in Wyoming for the past 18 years with the appreciation of having someplace wonderfully majestic to hunt wether I shoot something or not. I have met alot of good people in the state, but I also have met alot of people that feel its theirs and theirs only because they live there!! This type of mentality runs through closed minds. The term National Forest means that it belongs to all "tax payers" and not subject to the state you live in. I have hunted in 5 different western states and prefer Wyoming over all others for many reasons. I will continue to hunt there as it is my passion as it is many residents that live there as well. I hunted for three and half weeks last year and saw one hunter, one day for that whole time. I would say there are plenty of areas where it isnt crowded. Some residents and non residents both know of these areas!!!!! Good luck to all the fellow hunters out there, res or non!
 
I don't live in Wyo. and I LOVE high-country (wilderness) hunts. I agree....non-residents is the place to cut first (and probably 2nd).

There is a difference (from before the Constitution was written and through today)...one state to another; taxes, government and many differences.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
I don't have a problem with nonresident hunters and tend to help them out when have a chance. I don't tend to hunt such that I cross paths with many hunters (resident or nonresident)during the deer hunt, but do occasionally during the elk hunt.

There are a few good bucks in region G still, but you may not find them as plentiful in the same places as they used to be. Go where the hunters don't.
 
It is not due to residents or non-residence. It's not because of the Eastman?s. Bottom line it is due to management. I hate when the locals blame the out of town folks for their problems. If it was not for the non-residence buying fuel, food, Hotels, tags, license the small towns would be suffering. I live in a small town and know firsthand how much travelers contribute. Remember we are all sportsman and we live to hunt anywhere we can get a tag.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-11 AT 11:43AM (MST)[p]Its true that nonresidents pound the areas much harder than residents, but overall, too many hard core hunters using too much technology is the problem in my opinion. Its just the way it is these days, anywhere there are conditions to produce trophy antlers,there is going to be unreal pressure on the animals. The only way to alleviate that is to tightly control hunters and maybe weapons, for the wildlife department and hunters that care its an ongoing process to keep ahead of the latest developments to kill a trophy, unfortunately Wyomings wildlife managers either just don't get it, or really don't care.
 
For some reason this post turned into nonresident vs resident. And that was not my intention. I live in a small town in G and I realize how vital nonresident hunters are to our economy and dont have a problem with nonresidents as long as they are respectfull and nice and most are that I have meet. I cant say the same about the nonresident shed hunters though but thats another story. Its just that everytime there is a post about G and H getting over hunted some Nonresident gets on here and says its because residents can hunt it with a general season tag and they get all offended when the subject comes up about limiting the nonresident tag # and they act like the residents refuse to give up over the counter tags and some do but alot also want it limited quota we had a petition going around several years ago trying to get it on limited quota for residents and we had thousands of names on it but the game and fish still refused to do what we wanted. So people need to realize the residents want change we are not as selfish as you may think its the Game and fish that wont change.
 
I agree those Wyoming Range meetings were a waste of time.I really had high hopes for those meetings,but the G&F ended up doing what they were going to do anyway.IMO,it seems like it was just a facade put on by G&F to make us think they actually cared what we think.But in the end,it's just business as usual.Sell as many tags as possible while deer quality keeps going down the toilet.I don't know about the meetings in SV,but at the GR meetings,the overwhelming theme was to try somehow to limit overcrowding on the openers.Many good suggestions were made,but as you can see,nothing changed.Overcrowding on Sept 15,there will be overcrowding on Oct 1,with many of them being the same hunters who didn't fill tags on the Sept 15 openers.General Oct 15 openers the same.Wyoming hunters want to have their cake and eat it too.Hunt deer for 3 months and then complain because they can't find a big buck.Nobody wants to give up anything for the greater good.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-11 AT 04:10PM (MST)[p]Nontypical your right it was big facade I said that before they even had the 1st one but went anyways. The thing that pissed me off the most about those meetings is how they told us we were there to come up with a plan to get the herds up to the 50,000 objective. Well when meeting 3 came around they changed there minds and told us that the point of the meetings were never to get the herds to 50,000 but maintain the current # and not loose anymore deer WTF do they not realize we have a memory and can remember what they said. Now they are having a second round of meetings after hunting season and I will be danmed if I will waste my time again with these stupid morons. I will not go to them and I am telling everybody I know not to go and when they have them I hope not one person shows up I will laugh my ars off.
 
Yea, no one showing up to the meetings, that will show'em.

Why don't you all show up to the meetings and call them out on the BS they pulled last year? Maybe nothing will happen but it's better then not showing up at all.

I live in Idaho close to the Wy. border. I have lots of friends in Wyoming, just like what Nontypical says, none of them want to sacrifice any of the hunting opportunities they have now for the betterment of the deer herd. The easiest thing to do is blame the non-resident.

I think you Wyoming residents are still bitter that a non-resident killed the biggest buck in Wyoming last year, a Californian to boot.
 
Pretty sure the guy that killed that buck is from Cokeville.At least that's what he told the guy that runs the big buck contest here in RS.I'm still bitter,though!!
 
You guys sound like the people running our country (right Vs left). I hunt my home state & put in for many others waiting many years to get tags in some of them. Remember we are all U.S citizens & should all work together. My feeling is the greed of the state, letting to many tags out to keep it real as they are just a side effect of politics & it is a shame our states our run this way, You need to vote out the people running your F & G department & put in people who care but as you well know with whats going on in our country that is nearly impossible. Have a great fall.
 
You guys sound like the people running our country (right Vs left). I hunt my home state & put in for many others waiting many years to get tags in some of them. Remember we are all U.S citizens & should all work together. My feeling is the greed of the state, letting to many tags out to keep it real as they are just a side effect of politics & it is a shame our states our run this way, You need to vote out the people running your F & G department & put in people who care but as you well know with whats going on in our country that is nearly impossible. Have a great fall.
 
>Pretty sure the guy that killed
>that buck is from Cokeville.At
>least that's what he told
>the guy that runs the
>big buck contest here in
>RS.I'm still bitter,though!!


Cokeville huh? Bitter about what?
 
Don't want to get into the resident vs non-resident debate but thought I would chime in on my observations of reg G after just getting home from there late last nite.

First of all it is the responsibility of the WF&G to manage the deer herd properly. I saw too many hunters (resident & non resident) & a deer herd that is way down imo. I would of accepted my refund check if the tags needed to be cut way back due to winter kill. Everyone should have this attitude imo. I think I saw one yearling in 8 days of scouting and hunting.

Secondly heres my take on the hunters. Most non-residents have 125,000 worth of new trucks,rv's,atv's & a dream of a good buck. The residents (for the most part) have the knowledge and horses. Guess which group my bro-in-law & myself had to compete with when we backpacked our spikecamp into our area several miles?

Not complaining either way its just the reality of it. We had an opportunity for a buck we scouted up and lost out to 4 residents on horses day 2. He turned out to be a heavy 25 1/2 inch main frame 4x4 with a cheater and 5" eyeguards. That's the breaks. I blew a a golden opportunity on a 26-28 incher bedded below some cliffs under a tree on day 3. Ranged him at 285 yds & while looking to see if we could even access him after the shot, a smaller buck rousted him from his bed and they disappeared off the knife ridge into the thick stuff. Once again thats the breaks. Even though I'm wiping tears off my face when I typed that. All in all it was a great time in a great place but deer numbers are no doubt in a bad place right now and the next few years are guna be crucial.

F&G needs to do whats best for the animals not whats best for the hunters whether they are residents or not. If we want this to be a trophy area it needs to be managed like one. That is guna require sacrifice from everyone that loves to hunt the high country. We would love to take our boys next time and really hope F&G takes the necessary steps to insure there is a next time.
 
>Wow! I've never seen so
>much orange than I did
>the first couple of days
>up in G this year!
> It's becoming a joke
>up there on the first
>few days or so.
>Talked to a buddy who
>also packed into another area
>and had a total of
>18 different hunters in one
>small area. I had
>6 others in the basin
>I was hunting. There's
>nowhere up there anymore to
>find seclusion. Oh well,
>sorry for the whining.



You got a nice buck didn't you?
 
shotgun1 you are intitled to your own thought but you have not been dealing with the corruption of the wyoming game and fish like I have I am completely over ther $hit and Have no desire to try and argue with them on whats right for the herds anymore. You can talk tell your blue in the face with them it will do no good we had meetings full of people that wanted change for our muledeer herds and they still did what they wanted and ignored us, so I see no point in going to another one of there meetings and 99% of the rest of the people I know feel the same way.
They told us how excited they were to have so many concerned sportsman show up in support of the wyoming range muledeer herd and that they have never had so many people show up to there meetings like they did at the wyoming range muledeer meetings and they are always trying to get more public involvement and they hope it continues. Well they should have thought about that before they lied to us and wasted our time because the next go around nobody will show up to the meetings they had there chance and they blew it. Personaly I cant wait tell there is hardly any deer left in the wyoming range or anywhere else in the west because then the managment of the herds will be taken away from the game and fish and turned over to the ESA.
 
SS, I respect your decision, your a Wyo resident not me.

Nontyp, Don't know why he told you that. The guy couldn't even get the gun he won because of some California law and him being a California resident.

BTW, I just talk to a couple buddies today who are Wyo. residents. They hunted a wilderness area, in 5 days of hunting they saw 1 other group of hunters and heard 3 shots. Also said they didn't see anything worth shooting yet.
 
opbuckslayer-Good post.shotgun1-Where did you get your information about the guy being nonres?Just wondering.The guy that puts on the contest is one of my best friends.He always puts on a little party for anyone who entered the contest a couple weeks after it's over.There were lots of rumors circulating about that buck.I'm just going by what Josh told me.I will say the guy wasn't there at the party.I was looking forward to fondling that rack!!And btw,I couldn't care less what state he is from.
 
BFM-Haven't been chasing mulies yet.To be honest,I haven't found one worth trying to kill this year.My goat area opened the 20th,so I am going to spend some serious time trying to kill an 80+.I will still hunt mulies,but my expectations aren't too high this year.How about you?Something tells me you know quite a bit about that guy that killed the biggest buck in Wyoming last year.
 
The guys complaining about quality will probably never see limited quota resident tags in G. There's almost 4500 residents hunting those areas. I'd bet the vast majority of hunters aren't after quality. As many have noted, the G&F won't listen to a handful of guys complaining about anything. I've spent a lot of time hunting 66 in past years which averages approximately a 1000 hunters per season. For the first time ever, the G&F finally acknowledged at the spring meetings they have a problem in 66 with deer numbers. I suggested limited quotas same as every year. They still rejected the idea. I told the biologist afterwards they need to cut back signficantly on the nonresident tags and increase tag costs for residents. You raise resident tag prices and you'll have some of those residents bail out. Same thing would apply to G where you have 800 plus nonresidents. Cut tags back to a 100 and raise resident tag prices and you'll see things start to improve. Unfortunately for decades the G&F philosophy has been to manage for opportunity and money. Now its ingrained with their biologists and wardens and will never change. Those guys get hired straight out of college and are brainwashed shortly thereafter. After those guys get promoted into management years later, the philosophy remains and is sold to the next generation of wildlife managers...
 
I can't stand it, you guys just don't get it , it is not about the non resident or resident, it is about the management. what you are saying is like their were to many people in the world & you wanted to see the white house & have them only give 10% of the passes to people living out of the district which is most of America. The guy who stated that they are straight out of college & are brainwashed there after is 100% correct. our whole system is broke & everyone needs to understand that it needs to be fixed. I am out of here to get gas now & will not have to see anyone filling up with out of state license plates (well maybe 1 out of 10) LOL
WAKE UP AMERICA & SURELY YOU OUTDOORS MEN BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT IS LEFT
 
Oh I think many of us get it, I live in region H not far from G and you won't see me wearing orange, I would rather work in the yard or even clean the garage than go deer hunting here. There is a post about someone killing one of the few decent buck left, said it was shot at 834 yards , great shot no doubt,but think about tags more tags and all this technology, is there any wonder?
 
Thanks nontypical,I thought you guys might benefit hearing from someone that was just right in the middle of it and made alot of observations on the subject that is being debated.

In my state of Wa they have been managing for dollars and not sense for as long as I can remember and the hunting and fishing suffers because of it. We have a few limited quota trophy hunts and they are fantastic. It proves good game management can produce healthy,trophy areas. Once again the o'mighty dollar has the final say.

I agree with all you guys say that until all sportsmen and the institutionalized managers are on the same page, this beautiful place and its deer herd will continue to struggle due to lack of simple common sense. The time is now to fix it but obviously thats not how government works. Thanks to all the locals for your hospitality while I was there & the opportunity to get my ass physically kicked by my favorite place to hunt. Keep the fight gentlemen and keep us informed on what us non-res sportsmen can do to help.
OP
 
Pounding on the Game and fish for managing the wyoming range herd for 30+/- bucks per 100 does is foolheartedy. What more do you want? 40 bucks per 100 does and hunt every five or ten years? I think 102 has 35 bucks per 100 and it takes ten years to draw! Creating a new limited entry unit in G managed for 40 bucks per 100 does would shut up the winers but concentrate more hunters elsewhere. The harsh winters are the problem not Game and fish. Also the res hunters by far don't shoot small bucks (the ones who pack in) but they will shoot any elk they see.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-11 AT 02:38PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-11 AT 02:28?PM (MST)

Rockslide I disagree with you, harsh winters may be part of the problem but the managment is more of the problem. Most winters it hardley even snows and the spring and summer get tons of rain. But yet the deer herd still cant increase there numbers, because after A harsh winter nothing is done from a managment point of view to help the herds out. Lets not even get into the oil field completely ruining there winter range and then the constant harassment from the people watching them all winter and chasing the hell out of them antler hunting(it still goes on just as much even with the antler law). My point being is with all the problems effecting the wyoming range deer herd they can not continue managing them the way they are now if they want a deer herd in 10 years.
And you say 30 bucks per 100 does and your right thats what they say we have but I am here to tell you thats not the truth at least not from what I see. And remember they count every buck they see even spikes. I doubt you have been to that area in the mid 80s or early 90s, because if you hade then you would no way everybody is bitching and wants something done about this deer herd.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-11 AT 07:03PM (MST)[p]rockslide- The deer in Wyoming should be managed just like they are in Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, and now Utah, just like the antelope are in Wyoming, competely limited quota, broken up in seperate areas. If there are a lot of deer,lots of tags,if the people want old big antlered bucks,then manage for that, if they are down let them come back and cut the tags. Every resident in Wyoming could hunt deer every year under completely limited quota management, and places like area 102 would be much easier to draw that they currently are now. Also I believe 3 or 4 bucks per 10 does is a blown up estimate, as thats certainly not what I see on the ground in the winter.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-11 AT 07:40PM (MST)[p]Certainly i have no dog in this fight because my days in the WY high country are over but having hunted there within the last few years and long ago, i feel i can comment and share my opinion.

I see every reason why the Wy Game and Fish should decide to limit both resident and non-residents alike. Cut the non residents tags in half and make G&H a limited entry zone for residents. There is simply no reason that anybody should be able to hunt that beautiful and once so productive country like that every single year.

As said, i guess they won't do so but it would be for the betterment of those units! That's my $.02

Edit; I'm just one of thousands of Kali guys who often took my two bucks every year in my home state of Kali. Generally the bucks i took there were better than average for the area that we hunted. The last thing i wanted to do when i went out of state, Wy, Nv, Colo, whatever, was waste my time by not hunting the hardest i knew how or to take a buck the same as or smaller than what i could easily take right there in my own home state.

Joey
 
Good points made by all you guys.There is validity to every post.My view is I'm tired of G&F being a "re"-active department.I would like to see them become "pro"-active.I don't know if LQ is the answer,but I do know this:G&F can't control the weather.They can't control development.They can't control energy exploration and exploitation.The one thing they can control is hunter numbers.As of now,they simply choose to not bother themselves with that.
 
The management issue will never be resolved...just like this post...everybody has their own idea......
Back in the 20's a deer was non-existent around here...and they survived..
 
I live in this area, but didn't used to and didn't hunt it during the glory days. In some respects I expect over hunting will self correct. There are not too many hunters dedicated enough to work for the difficult deer and those that are will go to areas where they figure their efforts will have higher odds of paying off with a trophy buck. Relative to the past 14 years I've been here, I've seen a higher ratio of bucks to does the past three or four. That well could be because I've made seeking mature muley bucks a priority and have developed skills I didn't have before. If over harvesting is really a problem, then a decrease in tags is the answer. I've seen less deer harvested in my corner the past couple of years. The quantity and quality of winter range and a couple of harsh winters have to weigh heavily as well. I wouldn't underestimate the impact of predators either. The lion population is significant and I have noticed a decrease of young of the year fawns in the fall over the past few years pointing to other predator impact too.

I don't have the answers and don't think most of us are necessarily spot on, but expect solutions will be plural and not singular. I.e., cutting tags may help, but in the long haul Wyoming's western deer herd will probably need more.
 

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