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StickandString86

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Hey guys, new to the forum, got a question. I found a buck that someone killed, only took the cape, the backstraps, and 1 front shoulder. Left both hind quarters, and the other front shoulder. I'm pretty sure I know who it is since I know who hunts up there. This is in Davis County, high wasatch front area. What do you think I should do if anything.
 
Contact poaching hot line, tell them what you found, and where, along names of possible hunters in the area.

Yelum
 
maybe he was packing the buck out and was coming back for the rest. Was it a fresh kill, or had it been there for a while?
 
I am 100% sure it was left in there intentionally. I've seen it pretty fresh, less fresh, and rotten. No sign of any other human disturbance.
 
Only you two hunt the wasatch, huh? You can tell the DWR what you found, but there are more than you two on the mountain.
 
Who takes a front shoulder and leaves the hind quarters? Sounds like they planned on retrieving the rest of it, but didn't make it back (still VERY wrong). I would report it.
Soup
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-11 AT 12:43PM (MST)[p]You should report it. We as sportsman owe it to the animal to do everything in our power to get the meat out after the harvest. I know this can sometimes be hard with hot weather and location, but this sounds like it was on purpose.

MY2cents
 
I think it's interesting people think they know what people intend....If you know 100% that it was intentional, you must have been there or are the one who did it and your conscience is getting to you....
 
I know from what I wrote you could assume that I don't really know what happened. I am withholding some very crutial details that pretty much prove that they were not planning on coming back for this. Sorry to be so vague, I just thought it would be best that I don't share all the details, I will leave those to the DWR. I'm not asking anyone to believe me, I just wanted opinions in a public forum. That's all I was after.
 
Your ONLY option is to call law enforcement and let them deal with it.Same as you would do for any other possible crime scene.
 
I hunt the general wasatch front faithfully. And i know personally of other groups who hunt the wasatch front back country. You two are not the only ones on the mtn. I think you should contact the individual you claim to suspect and ask him the situation. Maybe, there is more to the story than meets the eye. I dont know? just an idea. I find it unethical to leave a large sum of carcass on the mtn, however i find it strange that they would take the front shoulder and backstraps and leave the other three... Maybe this means that the individual was alone and it was not within his means to retrieve the rest at the moment of harvest? i do not know. just brain storming. That being said, One head plus a cape, plus a quarter, plus back straps, plus gear. For one or even two guys makes for close to 80 plus pound packs. now throw the top of the wasatch front, weber county, 70 plus degree weather into the equation and you may have solved the problem. i dont know the whole story at all. but seems like you do, i would give the guy a call if you know him. ask him what happened. Then let the law take it from there.
 
+several above.

Even IF the hunter had some problem and could not return, you cannot tell me that we don't all have friends that would help get an animal out.

That just flies in the face of those of us who truly do hunt mostly for the meat, and just pisses me off!!

That's like 40 pounds of really nice pepperoni, sausage, breakfast links and the like laying on the ground.

Pred
 
Well it sounds like you have decide on what you should do, So get it done and do it. What the rest of MM thinks shouldn't have a bearing on what you decide.

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The cape and horns should be the last thing to come out if its that tuff of a pack out,the cape can go bad you can replace that and the horns dont go bad you can allways go back for them later or next year If things are that bad.Getting the meat out should be number one priority leave a nut attatched to the ham to prove sex if you get stoped.
Seems like whoever shot this bucks prioritys might be a bit backwards,If its more important to have a buck hanging on the wall to bragg about over a freezer full of meat.
 
You don't need to come on this forum and ask the general opinion of sportsman as to what to do. You should already know that not one person on here is going to say "Ah let it go, its ok to waste game". Turn the bastard in! I hunt the front and I don't like to share it with unappreciative, disrespectful bastards! He doesn't deserve to hunt if he's going to rob others opportunity to do it right. Get him off the mountain for good!
 
This isn't even a question... If we condone this kind of behavior, it will be come an epidemic. CALL the hot-line and get his ass busted for being to lazy to pack out his whole deer.
 
Let me get this straight...

You want everyone's opinion on what you should do when they don't have all the facts!?

That doesn't make any sense at all and will only lead to bias wrong judgements. I agree with most everyone on here as if it was poaching, but we don't have the whole story. Yes wanton waste is illegal, but some reason all this doesn't make sense. Obviously something must have happened.

And since you know the person who did this, why don't you talk to them and find out what happened!? Not go behind their back and maliciously post this trash online!

An opinion is an opinion, but it seems like in this case, all your wanting is peoples bias opinions only to help your uneasy conscious to what your doing is right, which is in fact wrong.

If I was this hunter, I would be quite upset if I saw this. So lets hear what the facts are! And have you heard a verdict yet?
 
Sounds to me like a no brainer. Report it!

Why is that even a question???

For those of you who can't understand why they might take the front shoulder and leave the rest, how about the following scenario:

I really don't want the meat but if I get caught hauling this thing out of here and I don't have any of the meat then I am looking pretty guilty. Maybe I better take something with me! Hey, the front shoulder is easy to remove and is lighter than the rear quarter and then I can just throw it away.

I can't think of any excuse that would justify leaving the rest of the deer on the mountain. hell, if they had issues come up I am sure they could post on here and get enough guys willing to go and help a fellow hunter out.

My .02 cents and that ain't worth very much :)


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Report it to the poachers hotline. If you want to name the person you think it is then you can do that too.

My dad and little brother got reported as possible hunters who shot an additional cow elk a few years ago. Their license plate was called in by the fellow hunter who saw them in the same area. DNR did a bunch of research, and found the obvious, that it was not them. But hey dad was fine with the questions and investigation. If your association has nothing to hide then they should be fine as well.
 
There could have been many factors determining the outcome. If this was a solo hunter he may have had a +70 lbs. pack. On his way out he may have tweaked a knee or back and couldn't return. It's a little difficult to explain what may have been a two or three mile killspot to your buddies. It sounds to me like he had good intentions, but for some reason (probably unintentional) couldn't pull through. It seems there alot of folks these days with Nancy Grace mentality, they're all guilty without considering what may have happend.
 
In my opinion, if your genuine concern was for the wildlife and the course of ethics taken in this situation, you would have contacted the hunter to determine whether the division should be contacted.

I see no reasons for getting on the forums to help you justify whether you should or shouldn't do something. All it does is stir the pot and piss people off.
 
As a Hunter, it is our responsibility to ensure we have determined a way to take care of the game we kill once it is on the ground.

This includes a way to get it off the mountain without spoiling, and a back-up contingency plan is always a good idea.

If you are going to have a hard time getting back to the animal soon then game bags and hanging in the shade are in order.

If something happens on the way out and help is needed then get the help and take care of the game.

Anything less is Wanton Wasting of an animal and is illegal.

I don't see how this is anything less than that.

It's just like every other game law out there. You may break the law, unintentionally, but your intentions don't change the law.

I know someone that accidentally shot 2 cows (Elk) and I know for a fact that it was completely un-intentional. This person notified the fish and game and told the story which was confirmed by multiple witnesses. At the end of the day a fine was still issued and the cow was taken away. The story looked legit to the officer so no more penalties were given, especially where he came forward, but the law was still broken and a fine was impossed.

Talking to the officer it was not something he wanted to do but if they bent the law and made concessions for good intentions and mistakes then they would have a hard time drawing a line. Therefore the line is drawn and if a law is broken a fine is impossed.

In the case noted above, meat was wasted, enough said.

Turn it in! Maybe next time they will be better prepared and/or will take the necessary actions to not let their game go to waste.


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Why do we have three people joining the forums just to discourage this guy???

Good hell, he's just asking an opinion and trying to do the right thing. If the hunter who left the meat did the right thing in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

Some of you are coming off as pretty shady.....

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>Why do we have three people
>joining the forums just to
>discourage this guy???
>
>Good hell, he's just asking an
>opinion and trying to do
>the right thing. If the
>hunter who left the meat
>did the right thing in
>the first place this wouldn't
>be an issue.
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>Some of you are coming off
>as pretty shady.....
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I noticed the same thing...something fishy going on here. This isn't even something worth discussing in my opinion. As hunters we are stewards to the game we hunt. It's our responsibility to see the kill through...all the way to the freezer. Period.

Find a way...that's all I'm saying.

"Luck is often nothing more than preparation running into opportunity.?
-Some Smart Guy
 
Well,
Don't waste your time, the DIV does not care at all.
I have personally found and turned in 2 elk and 1 deer. all found similar to what you found.

One DIV officer did come to the site of the kill, took a picture and left, I asked if they would do anything and he said "nope"

according to him there is not even a fine.

One big bull i found was caped out, the rest was left to rot. he was within 1/2 mile of a road, on the uphill side no less!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-11 AT 06:44PM (MST)[p]He asked an opinion, whether we are long time members or not it's just an opinion. Just because we aren't members of a forum doesn't mean we don't read them religiously. And doesn't discount our dedication to the game we hunt. Some see the need to post a little, some a lot, others never. I encouraged him to call if he thought it was questionable.
 
Completely and 100% accurate there! Own up to the mistake, and usually things turn out ok. Not great, you might have to pay a fine, but that is not the end of the world either.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-25-11 AT 11:58AM (MST)[p]here in Colorado you will get a ticket for that, end of story. they don't care that you tweaked your knee or back, you get a ticked for the violation of wasting game meat.. so maybe it was you.....
packed out my elk last year, back straps and tenderloins the night I killed him, rear quarters the next morning, then fronts, then the head.
 

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