Fair to Mossback....?

Wiszard

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Heres what I don't get.....guys bash Mossback for whatever they want to bash him for. He's got a big name now but I wonder if people realize that he had to get there somehow. In his early days, before he was well known, he had to work his ass off and FIND big deer. He HAD to produce. Hasn't he earned the name he has now? I don't know the guy.....just thinking out loud.

Steve
Don't leave your keys in your car or it WILL get stolen. :(
 
GEEZUS!
Can you say that on MM anymore?
Or is it Un-PC?

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-22-11 AT 04:27PM (MST)[p]I think Doyle and his guides have worked very hard to get where they are today. No doubt Mossback takes incredible trophies every year. With success comes envy and jealousy. Congrats to mossback on another great year!
 
+1. I don't know Doyle personally, but I've been around him a couple times and he seemed like a good guy. I also know the owner of a local archery shop pretty well and he's been around Doyle quite a bit and says he's a great guy. I would tend to base my opinion about Doyle off of those experiences that to base it off of things a read on the internet.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-22-11 AT 05:59PM (MST)[p]I think there are a lot more dinkwadds on the outdoor or sportsmen channel that are way more deserving of a ribbing than Mossback. From what I see Doyle having a small business focused on personalized customer service and his image and personality would be reflected accordingly if he was a "bad" man which would be detrimental to his business. Where on the other hand most of the the Hollywood Hunters are about personal gain and ego looking for fame, not customer service.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling
up anyway."
 
I hunted with Mossback last year and can tell you from personal experience that he didn't just work his butt off to get where he is, he still works his butt off now that he is there. He was the first one out of camp in the morning and the last one to get back at night. The guy is nonstop and I would hunt with him again if I didn't use up my life savings to go with him the first time.

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i will say from experience as well. i am with marley on this one 110%. doyle and his guys are up early and to bed late. they work as hard as anyone i know to find the critters they do for their hunters. it was awesome hunting with people that are willing to hunt as hard as you want. i had never been around other hunters who were as "physco", IMO as my brothers, a few close friends, and i are about hunting.
 
dont know them so i cant judge them, so i stay neutral. so i take no ones side. i do enjoy seeing the pigs they get
 
Man, if I could do what he does day in and day out I would put my two weeks in tomorrow!! No screw that, no notice at all!!! To have the chance to run a successful business and do what you love and do it well. I would have to say all the hate is from jealous selfish hypocrites...Just my opinion. And no, I don't know him personally. But everyone that I have talked to that has TRULY met him say he is a real nice down to earth guy.
 
I have no personal experience with Doyle. I have 2 of his videos at home. They do a good job. Sometimes he acts like a goof in the videos- but I chalk it up to childish excitement over hunting trophies.

I mostly dislike "Big Money Hunting", so mostly on principle I don't like how Doyle, and others like him, might be affecting the way we hunt (or don't hunt) in the future. As the little man becomes more and more ostricized from the sportsman community, I can't help but feel a bit of resentment towards operations like his.

Aside from that- jealousy is justified when considering Doyle. He is famous. He's made a great living doing what he loves (and we all love). He started a long time ago when, I would say, it was easier to get away with bad years. Nowadays, it would be much more difficudlt to start an operation like his without capital and money to fall back on. So- in essence- he got in back before anybody else was getting into it, and now tons of us wish we could have done the same. (I'm not nearly old enough).

Doyle deserves all the credit and criticism he receives. He knows this and he lives with it very well... :D

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-11 AT 10:47AM (MST)[p]I've had the opportunity to speak with Doyle on a few occasions and I like the guy. I have a few friends who work for him and they have high respect for him.
 
I whack at the guy. I acknowledge that he is highly successful, and realize that comes only with a big ammount of work. Often I use Mossback as an example. Mossback represents too me the big money hunters that fly in, pull a trigger, take a picture, and fly out. Guys that are once in a lifetime that hire him I get. I don't get buying that Pahvant(example) tag year after year and NEEDING him to take you. He took you last year, and the year before, didn't you learn anything?

Mossback to me represents all the bad that is coming in hunting. Trophy hunting(everywhere), points and scores, money dictating everything(the antelope island buy tag got 4 day headstart on the draw tag). I grew up in the west and I consider hunting a birthright. I don't like how it is quickly becoming the European model, of which I think Mossback is the example.

He is what everyone says, hard working, successful, motivated,and a shrewd buisnessman. None of which bode well for the hunting my kids will see in the future with fewer tags, point creep, and different rules for big money versus others(CWMU', antelope island hunt etc.). Like it or not but when you talk about hunting guides in this state Doyle is usually first on everyones tongue, and right or wrong he represents the industry.


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
You can say all you want, the day they guide a hunter to a 200 inch deer on monte cristo thats good. not a top hunting unit.
 
One of the mossback guide's wife has killed two bucks over 200" on general units in the past 2 years. One with a muzzleloader and one with a bow. I'd say that's close enough to what you are saying.

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I'm going to avoid being delicate here as well...
Thanks for allowing me to have the opportunity to get my feelings out.

Mossback is directly linked to the reduction of tag allocation. He is also directly linked to the 3/5day hunting season that we had last year. (Utah)

If you let a super power like mossback or SFW get too strong then anyone interested in becoming a hunter and joining the sport will be very discouraged which equals less hunters which equals less hunting opportunity and PETA wins.

Consider both super powers as if they were CEO's of the hunting community... They just barely reduced your wages and everyone elses wages in order to give themselves a good million dollar raise. Make sense? That is it in a nut shell...

Until I draw a limited entry tag and Doyle shows up next to me and hands me over a set of Swaro binos I am going to go a head and say this: "for someone who is in the busniess of killing deer/elk, he should be the last one complaining that people are killing deer/elk".

He is famous alright. Famous for finding big bucks and interfering with the hunts of others... You hear stories of him interfering with individual peoples hunts on limited entry units, but He just obstructed the whole general season population in 2010... He might deserve a little dust on his shoulders.
 
...he worked for Kirt Darner in his early years....


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Mossback is a business and they will do whatever it takes to stay afloat just like any other business, can you really "Bash" them for that??
I hunt in Colorado and you could pretty much find a guide anywhere you go, they are popping up everywhere. As long as people are willing to pay the big bucks for guides, businesses like Mossback will always be there and more will come.
The one thing I dislike and have witness is the fact that hunting has slowly become a rich man's sport. Farmers and Ranchers that use to allow us hunting privileges have now SOLD OUT to guides wanting thousands for a harvest, can't blame'em for seeing green.
I have hunted eastern colorado, and I can't tell you how many leases are on all these properties that I use to have permission for. If there is big money to be made, you bet your ass people are going to jump on board, after all it's what Business is.
 
Mossback has earned it's elite reputation because they produce. Some will respect them and some will hate, or maybe both. Just the way it is.
 
Having been around some guides that I would not consider quality people, I can tell you this. Doyle and his crew are not some of them. Class act top to bottom if you have actually spent time around them an not based your opinion on third hand knowledge.

As far as what they stand for...I would say they stand for SUCCESS. You may not like their success but is it really them or the system you dislike??? It's our state legislation our DWR our elected officials that build the system??? I'm I wrong???
 
Muley no your not wrong. The problem we have IS the state legislature and the DWR. IF the state financed the DWR like say the skiing industry, we wouldn't be whoring out tags to raise money. For some reason, although it is first or second in the state as far as revenue producing industries, the state punks the DWR. The DWR and the state are lobbied a ton by very deep pockets. When Doyle says "I won't guide the governors tag", he isn't telling you and be, I could care less what he thinks, he is pressuring the DWR in a public forum. Don Peay lives on capitol hill and at the DWR. I can't, I have a job. You can't either. The big money interests, represented by SFW and Doyle, aren't the only ones talking, but they have the ear of those in power because they spend the most time talking. I am 38yrs old. I don't ever remember my dad, or grandpa talking about the "buisness" of hunting. I do remember 250,000 hunters, two week seasons, and every truck with a 4x4 or better in the bed. Funny how since we have got a "buisness" of hunting we have lost 160,000 hunters, a week of the season, and most of the deer, except in the areas where their is good buisness!


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
>One of the mossback guide's wife
>has killed two bucks over
>200" on general units in
>the past 2 years.
>One with a muzzleloader and
>one with a bow.
>I'd say that's close enough
>to what you are saying.
>
>
>....If you find a message from
>myself offensive, inappropriate or disruptive,
>please ignore it. If you
>don't know how to ignore
>a posting, complain to me
>and I will demonstrate.....


I read the article on the two 200" inch bucks and only one buck was general. There was a general muzzle loader tag and and pauns bow tag. Article is in the christensen arms mag.

Since I am already typing I will voice my opinion too.

I personally know people who have had roads blocked by Doyles guys. I believe he deserves all the bad press he gets and then some.

I don't have a problem with him being successful. But I do have a problem when he/his guys think that just because they see a good buck through the binos that the buck, and the mountain, now belong to them. Even if it his employees doing it and not him, they are wearing the mossback badge and that falls on him.

I also know people that say he is nice guy, easy to talk to. Also I know he has done some good things like donate hunts to people who really do deserve them.

But for me, no amount of good will ever make up for blocking public roads or posting public land.
 

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