Antelope Island/Mossback Hunt

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OK, so I began the other day climbing up a mountain to do some archery hunting. After climbing for an hour and a half, it got light, I saw no tracks and no deer. My buddy Adam had called me the night before to see if I wanted to ride out to Antelope Island with him to do a story on the public draw deer hunter and the hunt itself. Since my hunting sucked, I called him and said, "pick me up at the trailhead" and I ran down the mountain.

So now to the question for you all. If you drew say, the antelope island tag, the sportsmans tag, etc. and Mossback or any other outfitter offered to help you for "free", would you take them up on the offer?

Keep in mind, "free" refers to no money changing hands, but in the AI case, the Mossback logo goes on photos and the video goes into Mossback promo videos. There's no doubt Mossback benefits hugely from helping on certain hunts even though they may not be paid cash.

Doyle (Mossback) did help the draw hunter on AI. Doyle was out there glassing his butt off and communicating via radios with spotters on the high ridge. (I'm not sure if the spotters were part of Team Mossback or not) It took most of the day, but the big buck was obviously found and Doyle and the hunter, with the help of the spotters, moved in and got it done. The hunter and his family were incredibly happy for the help that Mossback provided. The hunter killed what is most likely the biggest deer he has ever killed and maybe the biggest he will ever kill.

I'll share my view later.

Anyway, I was just curious what you guys would do. Would you accept the help or not?


PS - While Mossback does benefit from helping a few select hunters for free, they really don't need to. I do not think Doyle was out there strictly for personal benefit. I honestly believe he wanted to see the hunter have a great hunt and get a monster. I think he really loves the challenge of finding and getting the best buck he can, no different than myself.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Heck ya I would take all the help I could get. It seems like most guys think about the island as a small area? It is not, I have been out there hiking and biking and there is a lot of area that you and your buddy's would have to cover to try and find that once in a life time buck. I think most guys could find some great bucks but would most guys pass that first 200 inch buck? I don't know that I would be able to pass or even know how big of buck I was really looking at.
Good job Mossback
 
No. And it has nothing do with any negative feelings towards Moss. I'm sure he is a great guy, its just that I have enough friends that are just as good at finding and judging bucks, and I rather have them around for the hunt than a stranger.

2-4 good buddies would be plenty to find what you are looking for just about anywhere.


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Sure, why not? I am aware of several cases where Doyle or his crew have helped folks out for no monetary gain. They didn't even video or put their name on the animal. They did it just to be good people. I see no reason why I wouldn't want to add them to my list of friends. I would take a more active role in the hunt, but I would accept the help just the same.
 
Probably not on AI or another small area, huge potential hunt but Possibly on a Sportsman's or statewide type of hunt as their connections would give me the best opportunity to at least be in the right part of the state. Also the Strip would probably be the only "Unit" type hunt I would consider help but only unpaid.

Bill

Look out Forkie, FTW is watching us!
 
I'd say "Can I pass on this offer right now and pick it up later in life when I draw say, a Strip tag?? Cuz I know there aren't any 275+" bucks running around on AI and I REALLY WANT ONE OF THOSE!!"

Doyle would say "Nope", but he'd say it very kindly...

I'd say "Then nope, I'm going AI hunting by myself but thanks a ton for the offer man!!"

Then I'm pretty sure he'd call me out of the blue a week later to see if I had changed my mind...I'd say "Yep I did, I'm going to let my Dad and son join me as well."

~Z~
 
I'd say "No" myself. If he wanted to pay me for the rights to film my hunt in order to put it on a promo DVD- I'd do that...

:D :D

Granted he was out there glassing and all that- but the fact of the matter is, finding the big deer out there is NOT difficult. Expecially if your "job" allows you to be out there scouting any day you want to. If I had the tag, I could be out there everyday all summer and fall, it's 10 minutes from my doorstep. A few friends and family with radios on top of the hills out there would make it that much easier...

I guess WD (whomever he is) will be famous for shooting the first buck on AI. That's why he paid so much for the tag I guess...?



"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Heck yeah I would use his help. I would use his help, your help, your buddy's help...I wouldn't care who you are. I'd take all the help I could muster up on a tag like that.

A lot of guys are saying that the help wouldn't be necessary on a hunt like that to find a big buck....I agree. Let me put it in a little different perspective and the biggest reason I hired Mossback for my Henry's tag. I knew without a doubt that I could have gone to the Henry's by myself and killed a very respectable buck. I saw that tag as a once in a lifetime blessing and wanted to make the most of it. I didn't feel like I needed Mossback to kill a good buck, I needed them to tell me what NOT to shoot. Who in their right mind passes up 200-215 type bucks on their own?!!! But I passed up five 200+ deer in the first 1/2 day of hunting and I know that I would've hammered the first one I saw had I not had Kalan next to me telling me to get my finger off the trigger. They know what's there and combine that with your physical capabilities and your effective shooting range to find the best buck they can.

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I did say NO.

I drew a Sportsman's tag last year. I received a VERY NICE call from the Mossback crew:

"We want to help you, we will take you for free, we want the photos, etc"

Very nice offer!

I just wanted something different. I wanted my Sons there, I wanted my friends there. I wanted to hunt my way. I wanted to find the animal myself. So I said no, but THANKS!

However, the way I went is NOT for everyone, nothing wrong with getting some help.
 
Yes i would take it. Dont see or understand why anybody would pass that up. Yes its an island but its a big azz island at that. Them bucks have a lot of area they can hide away. I would be willing to bet that unless your able to spend day in and day out until your hunt out there you would not be able to turn up the biggest buck on the island.
 
Nope. In that small of an area, it would mean a lot more to me to do it with my family all by ourselves. Even if it meant not taking the biggest buck on the island.

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To have some one help you on a hunt of a lifetime and flim it for you and your family. Yes...... Even if it ment giving up your rights to the video for Doyle to market. What are the chance's of a normal joe to ever get a chance like that again ? He just won the lottery !!! Live it for that few minutes of fame. He's the man ! This week anyway.
 
Being from out of state with no family close by, knowing nothing of the Islands terrain or secrets, and fairly past my prime of running most any mountain no matter the distance or load, Yes, i most certainly would be appreciative of assistance from, certainly IMO, one of the best hunters in modern day history.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I think it was a win win for everyone. You are allowed 4 people with you on the hunt. Brad (the draw hunter) had his 4 lined up. Due to the fact that the sole purpose of the Antelope island hunt is to generate money for the park, they (the park) were willing to let Doyle accompany Brad to film the hunt. Brad was still able to keep his 4 Friends/family on the hunt. The park is going to get some great advertising, helping them generate more money. This will benefit all of the wild life on the island. Brad gets his hunt on video with his friends and family. He killed a giant buck, that to my knowledge he had not seen in all his scouting. He made some new friends. Was put in contact with WD Martin who both agreed to echange bucks for repo's since WD killed Brads #1 buck and Brad killed the buck WD wanted until he had broke up. Thus both guys coming away with 2 giant bucks! I'm pretty confident that 99% would say yes to what played out.
No Mossback spotters/guides helped on Brads hunt besides Doyle.
 
no unless he paid. its all about the money be sure of that.... 'how much do you think a big buck like that brings in on dvd. ads; ect.he is as good a business man as hunter....
 
It all depends on the circumstances. I have some top notch friends/hunters and it all depends on the situation. I have a friend that has used some of my pics with his logo on it and I could care less. Good on him if he wants to do it. I have a very good friend that hunted elk with Doyle and said him and his operation were top notch in every way and he would absolutely go with him again. I am very limited on time I can get off of work and it makes scounting almost impossible so I will use what resources are available.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-11 AT 10:41AM (MST)[p]Of course I'd take him up on that offer. At the end of day I don't care if there is a Mossback stamp on the photo and posted on the internet. The Deer head will be on my wall. I will have my own pictures with my family, friends and myself around the buck. Heck I'd even get a picture with Doyle and myself around the buck.
to me its a no brainer. If Doyle Moss offered help for free, I would be considered very blessed to have someone like him help me get a buck of lifetime.
 
Since hunting is a community sport for me, I'd opt to take my buddies out with me rather than a guide (ANY guide, not just Mossback). It comes down to what the most important thing about hunting is to you. For me right now it's environment, but for others it's trophies. It sounds like this is an issue of pride for those who are so against Mossback, just my observation though.
 
i would say no, but not for the reason of not liking mossback. i would just call my buddy YELUM. He knows the island just about as good as anybody, then i could publish the pictures and stories where i want to if i even chose to do that.
 
I keep going back and forth between accepting the help and then turning it away. I am more of a solo big game hunter and rarely hunt with others, with the exception of my wife or sons. I get an aweful lot of personal satisfaction knowing "I did it myself". But this would be a OIL hunt and I would want the best animal possible. While realizing others, whom I would not know, are interested in the same hunt and its associated significance and want to see me to success.

Tough call IMO...

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling
up anyway."
 
I would want to see scouting pictures first to see if they were beter then mine. If I liked what I saw I would say yes in a heart beat as long as the right to post the pic on monstermuleys.com was granted ahead of time. :)
 
I would say no on the island. but for any other draw in Utah I would say yes just for the fact that I couldn't afford the gas and time off of work (if he did it for free)I work by the island and it would be easy to scout anytime, that's the fun part.
 
> I think it was a
>win win for everyone. You
>are allowed 4 people with
>you on the hunt. Brad
>(the draw hunter) had his
>4 lined up. Due to
>the fact that the sole
>purpose of the Antelope island
>hunt is to generate money
>for the park, they (the
>park) were willing to let
>Doyle accompany Brad to film
>the hunt. Brad was still
>able to keep his 4
>Friends/family on the hunt. The
>park is going to get
>some great advertising, helping them
>generate more money. This will
>benefit all of the wild
>life on the island. Brad
>gets his hunt on video
>with his friends and family.
>He killed a giant buck,
>that to my knowledge he
>had not seen in all
>his scouting. He made some
>new friends. Was put in
>contact with WD Martin who
>both agreed to echange bucks
>for repo's since WD killed
>Brads #1 buck and Brad
>killed the buck WD wanted
>until he had broke up.
>Thus both guys coming away
>with 2 giant bucks! I'm
>pretty confident that 99% would
>say yes to what played
>out.
> No Mossback spotters/guides helped on
>Brads hunt besides Doyle.

Nothing wrong with that all. For sure to each their own.
 
I've been Hunting Big Game for damn near 33 years now,most of it was Hunting alone.
I'd be on Alcatraz Hunting just like I always Hunt,Alone.
As soon as I put the AI Buck on the Ground there'd be several 'SUCKERS' notified for some help:D
NUNYA & Doyle would be welcomed for some Draggage:D


Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
I would want the opportunity to go look around a few days by myself and see what kind of bucks I could turn up. If I was not having to much luck, I would probably take his offer. But everytime tape was rolling, I would be thanking Jackie Bushman! Ha ha, just kidding!
 
"Was put in contact with WD Martin who both agreed to echange bucks for repo's since WD killed Brads #1 buck and Brad killed the buck WD wanted until he had broke up. Thus both guys coming away with 2 giant bucks! I'm pretty confident that 99% would say yes to what played out."

That is kind of silly.......why would you want the antlers of the other hunter's buck when you didn't shoot that buck?
 
First to the out of state guys, antelope island has very little terrain, and not many secrets. Both deer that were killed have been photographed numerous times by lots of guys and their are pics everywhere. Doyle lives about a hundred or so miles from here and until this year I would be suprised if he ventured out there more than once or twice, its not the pahvant.

Founder, and those who are in the "I don't care if he videos it and makes some DVD cash" camp are missing the big picture. His stamp is on the pic, in his videos, and we all know that he was there. I am gonna bet these pics will be all over his booth at SFW show this spring. The few thousands he makes on videos pales to the Denny Austads of the world who fork out 5-6 figures to have him guide them. Whether he did or not, he is getting credit for it. A picture is worth a thousand words, or in this case $100,000. Gotta give the man credit, even when he does nothing, he benefits!!

I did not put in for this tag, nor will I ever, and its literally in my back yard. I prefer fair chase!!



When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
They both have a conection to the other buck would be my guess. I have seen ##### far more silly that a 240+ deer hangin on peoples walls. I for one would love to have repo's if it were me. I don't have to kill a 240 deer to appreciate a 240 deer.
 
Big bobtailed cat so are you saying you would like the replicates of a deer you didn't shoot or missed just so you could look at it?
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-11 AT 04:54PM (MST)[p]I have a connection with either buck can I have replicas? jk
 
Well Elite?
Show me where the Hell I suggested that?
GEEZUS!

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
Nobody would like to be stuck on an island with a D-bag so pretty sure no one would give you the offer Hornkiller.
:):)
 
I would take the help after all a tag like that would probably only come around once in 20 lifetimes so I would take it. His logo on my photo thats fine whatever, In the end that don't matter to me cause I could have my own photos of my own trophy. thats my 2 cents.
 
I find it funny when people like to blame doyle and mossback for people paying 5-6figures on a hunt. First off its their own choice and their money. If they want to spend it on a hunt then more power to them. Nobody is forcing any clients of doyles to pay its their own personal choice. Maybe the client has spent the past 15 years buying/building points and doesn't want to see a great hunt wasted since they wouldn't have the proper time to scout it themselves. Everyone has the choice to apply and hunt on their own. Also did you ever consider how much it costs to scout many units all summer and fall looking for animals? Ever consider how much fuel that uses? How much food/tents/gear that takes?
By the way Heck ya Id let doyle help on any hunt he wanted. I respect him as a hunter and a business man alike!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-11 AT 06:44PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-11 AT 06:42?PM (MST)

Although i said that i'd take the offered assistance, i'd like to make something clear how i'd feel about the taking of a deer like these two. I'd put way more satisfaction on the 180 class muley that i DIY way up and back in the Ruby's 30 years ago.

Yeah, i'd take the help and i'd want the baddest buck on that range but i wouldn't think it "better" than some other guys first 150 class buck that he worked his tail end off for.

Another thing, on another thread i too said it was a win-win deal for wildlife there on the island and the hunters.

I also believe that a "hunt" like this is not that much different than a guy that has exclusive or near exclusive hunting rights to a large track of private property in great habitat. There are many huge bucks, taken very easily out there on private land in our Western States, that we never hear about!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I'll step in and dilute Doyles reputation a little bit. I am going to go a head and say that this is Doyles type of hunt. If you have been following his website the reason why he, and Mossback Outdoors will not be quiding the sportsmans tag holder for this year is because too many tags were issued...

If you ask me that is the entitlement attitude that makes exclusive hunts like antelope island a high dollar or extremely low probability draw hunt. I support opportunity and the Mossback spirit just says bah humbug to that. 240" bucks dont have to be raised on an island to be harvested.

We are replacing tags with mossback emblems.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-11 AT 00:55AM (MST)[p]I'm praying that bess puts a boot in Elites assss someday. I'd buy a replica of that.
 
Well Muley_73,
Elite had been better there for a while.
But as you can see He's back:D

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-11 AT 08:57AM (MST)[p]Who are you and what did I ever do to you? I was just teasing with my great friend Bess the Bobcat. So run along.
 
I would not take the help, if my dad, brother, me and a couple close friends couldn't find the best buck on that island then I don't deserve to shoot it and should probably take up another hobby.

I would like to know how many people that are commenting have actually been out to the island and realize what the terrain is like?
 
For those who keep saying I'd rather just have family/close friends,

According to NUNYA and I would believe him, Brad had the allowed FOUR people with him, the island made an exception to the rule and allowed ONLY Doyle to accompany Brad to Film for him. If i understood what NUNYA said correctly.

Brad already had all the family/friends he could have with him, and was allowed one extra. to the benefit of ALL involved.....

So perhaps that ought to be considered. you get the four allowed individuals with you, plus an opportunity to get a professionally filmed record of your ONCE IN MANY LIFETIMES OPPORTUNITY.

Personally I'd say absolutely!!!!

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Never!

I'd be corrdial to him or any other crew, but would never consider it. Just not my style. Even if he/they made the difference in taking a 250" vs 150", I wouldn't do it. It's the experience, not the inches for me. And if I did take the big boy on my own, just that much sweeter.
 
I would respectfully decline, I would have to know what the out come would be between me and the bucks on the island even if it meant not taking the biggest one.

No disrespect to MB or any other guide...I am not interested in how big of a buck they could outsmart for me.
 
I would say yes, I have tried to video my hunts aswell as others and it just seems like its to hard to get it all done "right" It would be a nice memory and cool to not have to worry about that part of it and have it professionally done. I think Hunters see it as your less than as a hunter if you have a guide. I have been on both sides of this fence and this is not always the case sometimes its a time issue/scouting issue no matter how good a hunter I think I am I always welcome help ESPECIALLY FREE HELP!does Doyle not let family/friends not go on hunts? I would think he would let you involve who you want it would only make for a better video. Just my two cents
 
Tough call, in my opinion, for me. In a way, I would love the help. It's a world class, once in a lifetime tag. In another way, it would feel more like a kill than a hunt.

I think my biggest issue is that I don't perform well with an audience. With all the cameras and spotting scopes on me I would choke like a big dog. I even hate shooting at the rifle range. I hunt and shoot much better when I get into my own personal happy zone.

I think if Mossback draws, he might want to call Founder for some help, if he has been following this site. The way Founder killed his last couple bucks is the ultimate, IMO.

Eel
 
If I drew the tag or a similar tag and he wanted to guide for free, I would want a cut of the profit he made off the videos and publicity.
 
I would decline the offer. My dad, brother, and my daughter would be all the help I needed. That would be a fun hunt!

"The value of any trophy from the field depends not on its size but on the magnitude of the effort expended in its pursuit." ~ Aldo Leopold
 
Honestly, I might tell Doyle no (don't know him that well) but I would let Wayne come along and video in Doyles place. Wayne seems like a wise-ass and I would love someone who would run me down the whole time. Call me stupid but I like hunting with smartasses and although I haven't talked to Wayne much I think we'd have one helluva hunt!

I'd also let brandon come down and supply us with donuts. At least that worthless cop could do something to make himself useful huh?

Just my two cents!
 
I would say absolutly not.

I can barely stand to be stuck in the same state as Doyle, let alone the same island.
 
How long was the season for? At least a week I would guess right? They both killed in the first day. If it were me, even as a crazy Canucknucklehead, I'd spend the entire week solo. I'm pretty sure with the limited knowledge I have of the Island, I'd still have found that very same buck within that timeframe.
 
No matter what anyone tries to convince me about Doyle Moss, I say

Doyle Moss = Smart businessman.

Good for him and the hunter.

The Christian
 
I would say no to both.
Nothing against Outfitters or Doyle for that matter.
Would never hunt on Antelope Island because to (me,my opinion) it would be like picking a moo cow out of a herd and blasting it.
If there is no challenge or effort involved it's not hunting but instead just shooting in my opinion.
I could not be happy with a huge buck or bull on the wall knowing I did not work for it.
Best,
Jerry
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I would probly do a lot of scouting and see what I came up with. If Doyle wanted to video I would let him he has great video skills that are hard to come by. Huge deer are not hard to find if you are willing to go the extra mile and put in the extra time.
C. Woodruff
 
I would decline.

I have no problem with those who would accept. I understand where you come from. Hunting is different things to different people. Hunting to me is a time to do what I want with who I want. I hunt with my Dad, my uncle, and a close friend. That is all I have hunted with for years.

I enjoy researching, talking to people, and the highs and lows of hunting on my own.

Probably why I will never get bucks the size that many will. But I am OK with that! To each his own. I see it as hunting either way.
 
I would absolutely positively without a doubt take Doyle up on the offer. We're besties see and that's what besties do, they hunt giant deer on not so giant islands. Okay, on a serious note, I'd take Doyle with me after anything alive today. He's good shite.

Son
 
I can't come on here tooting my own horn about being in the oil business, how much money I have, I went on African guided hunts, went on Alaskan or Canadian guided hunts, or about how I have more guns than you have sense let alone the one gun I have that costs more that your freakn truck. I can't come on here bragging about how many auction tags my rich arse bought this year.

If I was able to take my wife and three kids like it sounds like I would have been able to AND have Mossback's help on a hunt of a lifetime with my family, hell yeah and I would be saying screw all the haters with a big ol smile on my face!!

My poor blue collar arse would never have a guided hunt in my life let alone a guide on a oppertunity like that. No brainer!
 
Yes and then another YES
Cover all angles and then some.

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I would have to say no to his help just because I think it would take away the sweet victory of doing it myself or with the help of family or friends. Now if Brian Latturner offered his help that would be hard to turn down :) J/K We were spotting deer this last weekend on the Henry's and I told my buddies that I would take more pride in harvesting a very nice buck on my own than having a guide show me where the biggest one on the mountain was. Just my feelings for what they are worth.
 
Holy shite, this thread is in need of a Mantervention! Some of the axe wounds you guys are sporting over this issue is embarrassing. Man the hell up! You're talking about this hunt as tho angels will be sounding their trumpets as you walk into the woods. It's a deer. It's a hunt. Theres nothing disrespectful about it. Big deer die the same way little deer die and hunting one deer killed with or without friends or even Doyle isn't going to sour you-if it does then I've got news for you....you were already a ruined weak man. Life is short, lighten up and have fun.

Son
 
Sonofthesouth,
Hunting at all costs and highest bidder is ruining our hunting heritage. Just look at most of the Seinfeld follies on the sportsmans channel to see it for yourself.
Why not admitt that if you could, you would fence and post all lands and call them your own hunting sanctuary and screw everyone else if you could.
Just admitt it and get it off your chest.

I have nothing wrong with people hunting with friends(my friends differ in that they do not need $10,000 or more of my money to be my friend.)

Buying tags that take no effort to kill a big deer=LAZY in my book.
I am not talking about all guys that use guides.
I am speaking of the constant abusers of systems that are content doing little and speaking a whole lot. 99% of us hunters look at guys like that as the Benny Hill comedy relief show in the hunting world as they pawn themselves off as great hunters when all they did is pull a trigger.
I would rather shake the hand of a guy who shoots a spike buck in an over the counter hunting area rather than a guy that thinks he is the next coming of Jeremiah Johnson....Just because he paid for a live target to shoot.

I guess we will leave it at ( I like to put effort into something to get a reward while you rather have instant gratification).
To me and many others the reward is Soooo much more than you will ever be able to comprehend.
Jealousy?LOL- Actually I feel sorry for you.
Best,
Jerry
 
I comprehend just fine jerry, watch this; you're an idiot. See? Perfect comprehension! My heritage is doing just fine too pal, unlike yours...you did say you were losing it yes? Come go hunt with me Jerry and I'll show you some heritage, you'll take your hat off in the house at the table and before we pray-which is every morning and every evening before you or anybody else gets out of the truck to hunt. I'm rude too...I won't even ask you if you mind or if it will offend you! Why? Because my heritage is rock solid, grandad did it, dad did it, I do it and my son will do it. We do the silly praying thing that grandad used to do when we kill a deer or elk as well. The things that are important to me and my family heritage aren't at risk from outsiders or what the rest of the worlds doing because I won't allow them to be.
Strap on a set Jer, if your losing yourself, stop it! Turn it around or are you content to sit back and blame it on somebody or something else.

The fencing and posting comment? Guilty as charged! I'll for sure fence and post what's mine and charge an arm and a leg to hunt it. Proper management and a healthy population doesn't just happen Jer, its hard work and costly so that pretty much rules you dojng it out! Guess I should take all of that down and let the Jerry fairy sprinkle it's management dust over it so it will just "happen" like it has every where else.....

Son
 
Is there an option for charging him $10,000 to guide me? If so, I would take that option. If not, I would go it alone. I might take a close friend or relative if they wanted to go. If not, I would go solo. Wouldn't it be awesome to hunt it solo?
 
That's the last person I'd take. That island doesn't have room for the three of us; me Doyle and Doyle's ego.

Son
 
Son-
Sounds like I was right on all counts.
You have no clue what the word Heritage means and never will.
I was raised to hunt by relatives as well but even though we have the means we still actually hunted rather than shoot a deer pointed to us.
By your reply you need to grow a real set and man up....But wait you just type your smut and sit back waiting to stir the pot.
Better buy some more friends to occupy your off season.
LMAO.
Jerry
 
Son,
Your comments are just too funny. Good to see ya back on this site. Seems like everyone with a good sense of humour don't post much here anymore. :)
 
Two Boone and Crockett bucks that will never be entered in the record books,sad.......You did say that Doyle was using radio's to communicate with the guides and hunters?
 
>Son,
>Your comments are just too funny.
>Good to see ya back
>on this site. Seems like
>everyone with a good sense
>of humour don't post much
>here anymore. :)

BCBOY,
Haha. How you been bud! Yeah I took a little time off but I'm back and I have to say, I'm a little surprised at the pussification of some of the members on this site. All of these guys crying about ethics or claiming that they wouldn't do this or that..... Horse #####! More than that, if it's not illegal and I'm not paying for it the. It's none of my affair. On a happier note, weve killed some dandy deer and elk. A few net typicals and a friend of mine just killed what will probably be the new #2 typical B&C and new world record SCI, I'll email u some pics.


Son
 
Why the mule piss would I hunt with Doyle on the island when I could hunt with his mentor "kirt byGawd darner" he knows big bucks! And well a island is still just a lil island. I might invite Doyle to run and man the beer cooler. Utahs dwr and auctioned tags are as fuq'd up as crack whore at temple square. Keep pimpin sfw.... Keep pimpin. $$$$$$$$.
 
I have a better question then the one originaly posted.

Founder why are you asking this question? Are you doing some research for him to see what the public out cry would be if he became the only guide allowed out there? This is a big money hunt and who ever can get in on the action will and who can blame them. If this hunt is about raising money for the island then who better then Doyle to do it and he will make the most money for this hunt and I commend him for it as we all gain from it.

Since we as a whole did not pony up enough money to keep the island running the state had to come up with it somehow. We should have all gone out there more and talked more people into going. We should have shared more photos and talked more about the shed hunt. We should have done more to protect this sweet little island. We tend to be a tight lipped group when it comes to horns or big deer because we are afraid to lose what we think is ours and fail to recognize that it is not ours to keep. It should be for everyone.

I for one think the hunt on the island is not much of a hunt. I hike it every year on the shed hunt and it does not seem that hard to hunt if you have some time and a few eyes. But I would take any help that was offered as this might be the only hunt I ever draw and I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy this hunt. Plus a profesional film crew! No brainer.

If this is the way the island is going to conduct itself I better start seeing 300" deer grown on the island as the money is only starting to pour in. Why not try some geneticly enhanced deer. Make it more like some of the high fence hunting back east. They could turn the big bucks into deer whores and use them for stud services and other states would bring there deer here to be impregnated by our island deer. Now theres a money maker.

I guess I had more to say then I thought. You know what happened to thought, don't you? Thought, thought he farted but he crapped his pants!

Hope to see you all at the shed hunt this year!
 
HELLO??????

A few facts:

1. The island turned a profit this year WITHOUT THE HUNT. The hunt did not "save" the island.

2. Doyle did not, or had very little to do with this hunt. This baby was DON PEAYS little present to his big donors and was a show of power by SFW in the state legislature.

3. This hunt WAS NOT DREAMNT UP BY THE PARK. The major push for it came about a few years back when Karl Malone offered 100k to hunt it. That was the spark for the abortion.

4. These deer are TAME. Notice very little attention being paid to the sheep hunt out there? Notice how every "tom, #####, and harry" doesn't have pics of the sheep out there? Its because the sheep don't stand off the side of the road every night of the year.

Again, if you haven't been on the island, you have no clue what you are talking about. These are tame deer, on a water locked, tiny island that until last month had no clue that anything bad happened when people were around. They had never heard gunshots, never seen hunter orange, never feared anything other than mosquitoes. This isn't about Doyle. Its isn't about legality. Its solely about what HUNTING IS. If hunting tame deer, on a tiny island, during the rut, with the state park controlling outside pressure, 4 days before a public draw hunter is hunting, then we ALREADY LOST OUR HERITAGE!! If this is hunting to you, go back to planting your "feed plots", breeding for maximum genetics, farming for deer.


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
"When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!"

When it came a chance for hossblur to post (IN CAPS AND ABOUT HERITAGE I MIGHT ADD) some wished he hadn't but no dice...

Anybody think the NM Gov tag elk will die tomorrow or the next? ANYBODY?

Son
 
I would be tempted to get them to agree that it must be uses on their wedsite, advertising and videos with some minimum exposure... then shoot a little buck standing by the one they want to show. Be excited and smile big for the pictures... :)
 
Now if you or somebody else really did that, it would hands down be the funniest thing ever caught on film. Great post lol.

Son
 

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