How to choke deer

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First thing you need is to rent a helicopter to chase them around bear lake just as they are going into a hard winter. Second a net gun, don't know where to get one but I need to find one so any help would be appreciated. Third a choke collar like the one you see in the picture below. A friend of mine sent this to me and said he has seen at least 2 other cases of does with collars choking them. Please let the DWR know what you think about this by giving them a phone call. Thanks-Steve

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Even money El Dorado can say something nice about this post too! (nothing wrong with nice, just saying)

Son
 
>Even money El Dorado can say
>something nice about this post
>too! (nothing wrong with nice,
>just saying)
>
>Son

LMFAO!!

~Z~
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-11 AT 06:48AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-11 AT 06:45?AM (MST)

Never mind.
 
The divisions budgets are tight so they couldn't afford the medium collars and went with the small.

The divisions final report says we have a 95% mortality of does in northern Utah. This actually great news! It now means they can issue more doe tags to kill the rest off.

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That was my first thought heartshot, you know the dwr f#@#s up enough on there on we don't need to photoshop stuff for something else to ##### about lets worry about the stuff they actually do fu#k up
 
This doe was collared as an adult, most likely in 2006 or 2008. I just spoke to the biologist who oversaw the original collaring study on the Cache unit, and she showed me one of the collars and explained a few things:

1. The collar needs to be tight or else there is a risk of it rubbing the neck raw (and causing an infection). It could also get the doe caught on something.

2. Because the doe's winter hair is so thick, the collar always looks much tighter than it actually is.

3. We work with professional wildlife-capture/collar companies who have done this work for years, all over the United States. They usually slip two fingers between the neck and the collar when attaching the collar for the first time. That method ensures that the collar doesn't go on too tight.

4. We use different collars for does and fawns. The fawns' collars drop off after about nine months or so. The does' collars don't drop off. The doe in this photo has survived with this collar on for the past three to five years.

I also spoke to our wildlife disease coordinator this morning. She looked at the photo and agreed that although the collar looks tight ? and she couldn't see the entire body ? the deer does not appear to be malnourished. Her face isn't sunken in, her eyes are bright, her ears are perked and her coat is smooth and shiny.

With all that said, the collar looks tight in this photo, and our biologist in the Cache unit is going to follow up and check on the condition of this doe. I hope this helps answer some questions about our collaring work.

Amy Canning
Communications Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
 
No photoshop I guarantee it....I took the picture and it was taken in cache county....I am told the deer is healthy and it's normal for the collar to be on so tight....It does not look right to me but what do I know:)
 
Amy what do we have to do to get you put in charge of running the show for the DWR
 
Amy, your a typical DWR employee, you guys and gals never do anything wrong. The collar is on so tight that you could hear her trying to breath from 200 yards away. The pic was taken through a spotting scope and isn't the best quality. Maybe you can write a book after you retire like are last biologist up hear in the cache did. He ran our mule deer herd into the ground for 20 years, then the funny thing was he wrote his book on How To Manage Mule Deer.
 
I have to agree that the post by Amy is very suspect, as it looks like that collar is so tight that I really wonder how that doe can breathe or get enough food down it's esophagus to still be as good as she looks. I don't see any way you could get any fingers between the collar and her neck like was stated in how they put them on an animal. This almost looks like it was a collar intended for a mature animal that was put on a fawn by mistake and she has grown into an adult with the result in the picture. I hope the DWR employee does follow this up and I would bet the collar should be removed and redone. Let's see if we get a followup report to let us know.
 
Hey AnythingAsshat - Your a typical "something"(don't want to get banned)also. The doe is 6 fricken years old. If the collar was dangerous, it would be dead long ago.
 
With the technology out there today why cant you chip them instead of strangle them?
 
if we shoot her can we keep the collar? kind of like duck hunters and bands!
 
>This doe was collared as an
>adult, most likely in 2006
>or 2008. I just spoke
>to the biologist who oversaw
>the original collaring study on
>the Cache unit, and she
>showed me one of the
>collars and explained a few
>things:
>
>1. The collar needs to be
>tight or else there is
>a risk of it rubbing
>the neck raw (and causing
>an infection). It could also
>get the doe caught on
>something.
>
>2. Because the doe's winter hair
>is so thick, the collar
>always looks much tighter than
>it actually is.
>
>3. We work with professional wildlife-capture/collar
>companies who have done this
>work for years, all over
>the United States. They usually
>slip two fingers between the
>neck and the collar when
>attaching the collar for the
>first time. That method ensures
>that the collar doesn't go
>on too tight.
>
>4. We use different collars for
>does and fawns. The fawns'
>collars drop off after about
>nine months or so. The
>does' collars don't drop off.
>The doe in this photo
>has survived with this collar
>on for the past three
>to five years.
>
>I also spoke to our wildlife
>disease coordinator this morning. She
>looked at the photo and
>agreed that although the collar
>looks tight ? and she
>couldn't see the entire body
>? the deer does not
>appear to be malnourished. Her
>face isn't sunken in, her
>eyes are bright, her ears
>are perked and her coat
>is smooth and shiny.
>
>With all that said, the collar
>looks tight in this photo,
>and our biologist in the
>Cache unit is going to
>follow up and check on
>the condition of this doe.
>I hope this helps answer
>some questions about our collaring
>work.
>
>Amy Canning
>Communications Specialist
>Utah Division of Wildlife Resources

"Also, since the study was performed by a private contractor 5 years ago, and it was their responsibility to recover the collars at the conclusion of the study, the Department is not responsible for said collars or the deers' current problems."

What a crock of chit! We have several here in Ca also.


"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"
 
>With the technology out there today
>why cant you chip them
>instead of strangle them?

We must be looking at an elusive Zombie Doe. Apparently she was "strangled" and has been dead for six years. Just ignore the facts because the DWR hates deer and is just a bunch of doe chokers!
 
I shot a buck this year in Colorado with a collar on it, it was all leather with an elastic. It was pretty damn tight and it rubbed the hide raw on the back of his neck.
 
Amy, is there anyway the state of Utah can hire Natbornrebel and Anyantler Boy? They are by far the best biologist the state of Utah has and it would be a great asset to have them on your staff.
 
Amy, It's sad you have to deal with morons like this on a daily basis. Unfortunately there are a few bad apples among us.

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Since when does it make a person a moron to question something that doesn't seem to be quite right? Just looking at that picture and actually physically checking the deer like the biologist said they would do to see if there is a problem would indicate to me that they are not 100% sure or they wouldn't bother checking.
 
That radio collar belongs on an ostrich! How do I know this? Because the taxidermist that mounted my last Southern Idaho buck, bought the form he used on my deer from the same guy that sells those Radio collars. Which explains why the ears on my mule deer buck are Mid-neck.
 
This is classic damned if you do damned if you don't!!!!!!

No wonder nothing gets done in government. Ya can't win for loosin...........




"Eating tag soup is better than getting your hands bloody for some 175" dink that you rookies like to post so often."

Horn_Star
 
I don't know Amy, but I've read enough to know that she don't have to be on here trying to educate people. I think she does it for our benefit. Never read a post that was "suspect" from her.

I wasn't necessarily talking about you, but if you stand by your first sentence then I stand by my statement.

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Yeah, the collar appears to be a little tight. That doe is giving us 4+ years of data. She appears to be in good health and looks better than many deer I see without collars. I say collar them all the same way if it works and provides us with the knowledge needed to help our herds.

Some can't even make up their minds. They can't understand how the doe can eat or breathe, yet they say she looks good. Contradictions abound. "That collar is abuse! Now lets go shoot a deer with sharp razors which cut through their flesh and make them bleed to death or we can use a rifle to blow up their vital organs. It is even ok if we shoot a leg or the deer's guts before we finally kill it. But by darned, don't put a collar on a little tight so we can gain some much needed data."

Tikka, +1.
 
I'm on Amy and the DWR side, atleast they are trying to figure out what is happening to our deer. And when they do things like this, well they get a bad rap. That is why I say say damned if you do damned if you don't.




"Eating tag soup is better than getting your hands bloody for some 175" dink that you rookies like to post so often."

Horn_Star
 
>Since when does it make a
>person a moron to question
>something that doesn't seem to
>be quite right? Just
>looking at that picture and
>actually physically checking the deer
>like the biologist said they
>would do to see if
>there is a problem would
>indicate to me that they
>are not 100% sure or
>they wouldn't bother checking.


To initially question is not moronic. However, to continue to question and make disparaging remarks, when given facts and answers, is moronic.
 
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>
>To initially question is not moronic.
> However, to continue to
>question and make disparaging remarks,
>when given facts and answers,
>is moronic.

.............sort of like Barak Obama's birth certificate, right? I mean, we have ALL the facts!


"If God did not intend for man to hunt animals, he would have made broccoli more fun to shoot"
 
Good one Nickman and that's about all I was trying to get across when I used the word "suspect" that some apparently don't think was correct. Amy appears to be an upstanding person trying to do a good job and it's great she comes on these forums. I hope they can check that doe and it turns out that those of us that feel the collar is way to tight will be vindicated. However, I doubt that if we are right that there will be any feedback, but I hope I'm wrong. This really has all to do with what Amy was told to tell us than it does with Amy herself. I am really wondering now if they did get that collar mixed up with one that was intended for an ostrich, LOL!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-11 AT 11:03AM (MST)[p]Thanks for all the interest and discussion, everyone. This story is on another site as well, and the person who took the photo (ntrl_brn_rebel) posted there about a call he received yesterday from the Cache biologist, Darren Debloois.

According to NBR, Darren agreed that the collar is too tight and said he was going to follow up. (I'm assuming that he'll either loosen or remove it.) In his call with NBR, Darren speculated that the collar was put on the doe as a yearling. It might have fit her well then, but it's too tight now. Darren actually wrote a blog post for the DWR website about deer collaring earlier this year. It provides some interesting information about the collaring work and the deer herds in northern Utah.

I emailed Darren this morning, asking him to keep me in the loop on what happens to the doe. When I hear anything more, I'll follow up in this thread.

Amy Canning
Communications Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
 
Love ya Amy



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
Thanks much Amy! It looks like some of us that were being chastized for our comments were correct and not morons,LOL! I do hereby apologize for saying that if we were correct that we wouldn't here about it!!! I guess I learned a lesson today on not assuming anything and thanks again for your quick responses on this!
 
Thanks for the follow up Amy. I hope more of your fellow employees can be more like Darren and you and admit when there is a problem. Sorry for the rude comments but I just don't have much respect for the DWR. Thirtythirty, stick around so NBR and I can teach you a thing or two, like how to tell when a deer can't breath.
 

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