Will They Stay a Management Buck?

[cannonball]

The deer I shot on the Pauns. this year had a couple of 1/2" stickers on the three point side and a couple of 1/2 stickers on the other side.

This question is for all of you knowledgeable mule deer followers. I really don't care about whitetail studies. If this mule deer would have had another year to have had antler growth, most likely would those stickers have been a lot longer the next year?

 

[big6]

Post a picture and some could tell you alot easier

 

[2lumpy]

You thinking about running him back through again or just liv'en with what ya got?

 

[huntinfanatic]

It's hard to say, they could get longer or shorter just depends on the buck and how healthy he is next year. I've been hoping to see a pic of your buck cannonball, if you dont mind post a pic or send one to me. Thanks.

 

[Christian]

In 2008, I hunted a buck with several kickers 2-3" long.

In 2009, I found him and actually killed him. Those stickers had almost disappeared. Where they were before was only a few bumps. I'm 100% certain it was the same deer as I got to watch him so close for two seasons.

I lab-age all my bucks, and he was six when I killed him, so five in 2008- very much in his prime but the kickers actually shrank. Winter was mild in 2009.

My point, who knows for sure what will happen the next year. Antlers will be similiar, but not exact and could be up or down.

The Christian

 

[cannonball]

The buck I got was a nice management buck, but I just wonder how many of the management buck with small points showing up would gain a bunch of trash the next year or will they stay just a management buck.

Huntinfanatic picture sent.

 

[cannonball]

2lumpy wrote:
"You thinking about running him back through again or just liv'en with what ya got?"

Lumpy you're just jealous you are not going down there again for the next three + years in a row. - - - WELL - - - unless you draw the elusive expo tag again - - - or is it that you didn't think a management buck could score 175".

That buck might have been my son's 190" buck next year on the rifle hunt. Now I will never know.

 

[2lumpy]

The DWR don't hold kindly to buyer's remorse, holster that piece and start building extensions on the one you took to the dance.

Your just pissed cause Little Laughing Boy beat you to the good one!

Let's ride over to Hogen's Pass in the morning and see if we can scare out a buck or bull. Leave my house at 6:00 back by 10:00, I need to check the cabin so we might just as well make a worthwhile trip out of it.

Yes?

Might see a howler on the way, bring your leather punch!

DC

 

[cannonball]

Sorry, You need to call earlier in the week. Have plans now, the RZR is loaded in the back of the truck and we're heading for the strip. Will call you!

 

[2lumpy]

Damn it CB, I told you, they are not going to allow you to recycle that buck! Now , go get it out of the truck and get over it!

DC

 

[treedagain]

PIC?????

 

[conch]

You have to look at the deer as an opprontinity buck. Management is just a term coined by the fish & game to make everybody feel good. In fact it is an opprotunity hunt. I'm not complaining. "Just saying."

 

[Downrange]

cannonball if the deer you killed this year had half inch stickers on it, are you sure it was a management buck. I thought they could only be 3pts on a side not 3pts on a side with a sticker. Maybe I have the wrong picture in my mind of what your buck looks like.

 

[2lumpy]

There is one grating fact about CB that you should know. He's so disgustingly squeaky clean he's in danger of expiring from a lack of naturally immunities. CB will throw his wife or granddaughters under a bus if they take a second look at an questionable management buck. Makes me want to puke. You aught to have to share a hunting camp with him.............the guy has no friends!!!!

DC

 

[Muley_73]

ed,
Half inch stickers do not count. For it to count as a point it has to be 1 inch or longer. Also all management bucks are required to be checked by the DWR. There were some bucks killed on the management hunts that were illegal but Cannonballs was not one of them.

 

[Downrange]

thats good to hear.

 

[Tikka]

Not willing to share any pics?

 

[goatroper]

so its a 3x3 with trash? longer than wide is what Utard warden told me..(= point)
picture pls

 

[cannonball]

If I could figure out how to post a picture I would do so.

I've been on the Pauns with Lumpy before, now I'm gun-shy. Because of him, it took me about an hour of looking at the one I shot, before I would pull the trigger. By the way lumpy, I got back yesterday from the strip, just so I would go out with you looking for a big buck - - YA ALL guessed it - no call.

When does the bird season close in Arizona, there were quail everywhere.

 

[2lumpy]

Just like you to turn me down, time after time, then get on here and b!tch that I can't read your convoluted mind. Typical!

What'd ya see besides the fowls hors d'oeuvre. This is a mule deer forum, save your bird questions for the "Monster Gambelii" folks. Never mind, you can't post pictures, so we're screwed again.

I'll post a picture of your buck, if you want me too, that would be a darn sight easier than trying to learn you the complex task of post your own images.

DC

 

[cannonball]

Hopefully this will go thru. Lumpy if it doesn't call me. I'll post my own photos.

 

[2lumpy]

Good Lord man, you actually dared post that thing. Who's that old man with your deer?

DC

 

[cannonball]

Now that it posted, the right horn has the non-countable 1/2 inch points. the left horn had 5 countable points. I would not have shot it except for those impressive high eye guards. At no time did I expect the gross B&C score to be what it was.

Most of the experts say that most likely it wouldn't gain trash, but my feeling was that, if given another year, it would have. Guess we will never know!!

 

[cannonball]

Are you still up. Just remember you're not far behind me and besides that you're just jealous because that (1 in 3000 odds) Expo Tag didn't realize you any more of a B&C Score than my lowly zero bonus point Management Tag.

 

[elkun]

will they stay management bucks/?. only till some body will pay big bucks for them. then they will be called something else....

 

[2lumpy]

Wellll !

 

[Tikka]

Thanks for the pic cannon

NICE BUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[conch]

Did the wardens? estimate the age of your deer? Because of the outstanding eye guards,it appears to me that this buck likely has hit full potential. He no doubt would change from year to year. My experience says some of the growth from the bigger cheater would on any given year transfer to the smaller cheaters on the other side. In this case we will never know, unless someone can produce a shed antler from last year. All said and done, that's a terrific ?management? buck. Congratulations?
I would like to recommend you move up from the polaroid era and get at least a 35MM. Just kidding... Thanks for posting the photo.

 

[cannonball]

Conch,

I didn't ask the wardens, but the taxidermist insinuated that it wasn't a very old buck. He also seemed to think that the eye guards were from genes rather than age.

As for the pictures, we have the photo equipment, but it's a management buck and light was going fast. The quicky cameras were at hand. The others were in the vehicle, (lumpy - this is for you) dinner was waiting in Kanab, and we had to be in bed by 10, thus the inferior photos.

Now with my wife's buck which was shot a few years earlier down there and was much bigger. We dragged the deer over to a good spot, put the legs under the buck, made it look as if it was resting there, got the tongue in, cleaned off all of the blood from the nose and horns. Then we spent an hour taking pictures. So there you go!!!

By the way, my wife is probably the reason I drew with no points due to the fact she had a three and we put in as a group. No longer will group applications be available for the management hunts - individual permits only next year.

 

[big6]

Hey cb i may have a shed off of that buck from last year i wiil dig through my pile and see what i turn up by chance did you kill this deer in the area of johnson canyon or out towards the mustang and i would agree with your taxi deers face doesnt resemble an older buck and looking at the teeth i can see they dont look to wore down. do you have any side pictures of that buck

 

[cannonball]

I shot it out by the power lines, south of the DWR checking station. It would be in that migration pattern. Could you post a picture of the shed.

 

[Packout]

Congratulations on the buck! Very nice and looks like you had a great time. As for if he'd grow into a "non-management" buck, I'd wager the answer is both yes and no. Some years, with good nutrition, he'd probably have more points. Other years he might just be a 3 on the one side. I understand this year the area had exceptional antler growth and he was still a 3 on one side. In any case, he wasn't shot by a "trophy" tag holder so he was perfect for you. Well done. That is what the management tag is all about!

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[big6]

Ya i will tomorrow i am traveling back home to kanab tonight so i wont get a chance to look but for sure tomorrow

 

[MDQ]

My bet is that he'd stay a 3 point. He's old enough to have his genetic shape. Since the 3 point tines aren't thick / palmed, I'd say it's unlikely they'd fork in later years. From what I've read, a 3 point is a 3 point is a 3 point. His mass / tine length / width may change based on age & nutrition, but the # of points will stay the same. The extras on his left side is a wildcard - may change year to year, depending on why it grew in the first place.

Guy

 

[big6]

hey i went through the few sheds that i do have and i was thinking i had the left side to that deer but i must have sold it with my singles but it had a 3 point frame with about 2 or
2 1/2 in g1s and he had about a 3 or 4 inch cheater off his g2