New Texas State Record Typical

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I just got a phone call and a text showing what is supposed to be the new Texas state record typical muley- 213 net, 223 gross slick 4x4 killed in Gaines County. I will try to get the pic emailed and post it. Incredible tine length. Toad to say the least.

T264
 
The deer was impressive but if it the same one I have seen it was killed in Dawson County and was high fence.
 
The one I've seen is supposedly Gaines county, but killed by a guy who hunts high fence there regularly.
 
was in Gaines county, in a pen, not really high fenced hunting area - about 50 acres, truly sad, the guy is regularly in Muley crazy magazine, shot one in same pen 2 years ago and was featured in Muley Crazy - so i really wouldn't call it a "state record" - doubt if Ryan Hatch knows though where these bucks are taken - 50 acre pen with nothing but knee high grass/shinnery and a little pen for shade, drive by there once/week - only such place in gaines county, all other Gaines county muleys are truly hunted - no other high fences
 
even had the semen team there after the deer was "harvested" to profit off of the semen, the guy cloning horses and mule deer was even there to get a few straws - waited to harvest the buck until full rut to get the most "straws" possible - then starts the emails about "the new state record" - simply amazing - hope Hatch catches on to this before he runs another feature story about this "great hunter"
 
I think he was hunting with a guy, who HuntSonoara(Drummond) did a story on years ago, who poached a 46" wide typical. It was in MuleyCrazy, pretty sure the article was "Forbidden Fruit."

~Z~
 
the "forbidden fruit" guy owns the "pen" where the buck was taken - what a team, the "great hunter" only paid $40,000 for this great adventure of stalking this muley inside a 40-50 acre pen
 
Where is Shedz when I really need him!!! If what you guys are saying is accurate, that really sucks donkey ....!!!
 
I spend 10X more time looing at REDs rotating picture, than I ever do of the actual post. Good criminy! I wish the pictures would slow down a little, I'm starting to go cross-eyed.
 
I could care less if someone wants to "hunt" livestock in a high-fence scenario BUT!!!! QUIT CLAIMING OR EVEN IMPLYING ITS FAIR CHASE!

To each his won but Im tired of people acting like they're free range, wild animals.

"You skin grizz?"
 
>The one I've seen is supposedly
>Gaines county, but killed by
>a guy who hunts high
>fence there regularly.


Just another reason to never "hunt" high fence.
Much like poaching, once convicted every single thing you do is suspect.
 
>I spend 10X more time looing
>at REDs rotating picture, than
>I ever do of the
>actual post. Good criminy! I
>wish the pictures would slow
>down a little, I'm starting
>to go cross-eyed.

no doubt, I almost had a seizure this morning!

"In the breast of every meat hunter there beats the heart of a secret, frustrated trophy hunter."
 
Two of my wives have had fake boobs......they are still GREAT to look at even if they aren't real.....Sorry there are no pics.

There are a dozen places in Mexico raising these deer. The next few years are going to produce some absolute freaks!

"Fathom the hypocracy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove that they are insured.....but not everyone must prove that they are a citizen"
 
Still ain't big enough for Horn_Star/Hunt_Rez.

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The "ranch" is 440 acres. I don't know how (or if) it is cross-fenced but the 440 acres is 100% under high fence. I'm surprised that he was able to get a shot without the fence in the background.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-11 AT 03:54PM (MST)[p]Yep, here it comes!!! I wondered how long it would take you two yoyos to show up on this thread, LOL!!! We're on the same page on this one though. This is exactly the small type of place that people in the know call a "canned hunt" when all it really is is a killing and of which I detest. 30,000 acres isn't a canned hunt whether it has any type of fence or not unless you want to enter it into the books, which IMHO are a huge detriment to sport hunting. Now you two boys go back in the corner where you belong and for Shed maybe practice your counting seeing as how you screwed up so bad on the other thread with your "majority count", LOL!!!
 
That sux- I was hoping the buck was legit. Yes, the guy who owns the place was "stung" about 8 years ago for shooting a 46" inside buck. Whitetails in heavy cover are one thing behing a high fence, but muleys in wide open country 400 acres is ridiculous.

T264
 
TXMULEY

I wish you had a clue! You are so far off base its unreal! $40,000 and 40acres? It was way cheaper than that and it was 590 acres. Fair chase? No...You didn't see him on this site bragging saying it was did you? In my opinion nothing inside a high fence is, regardless of how big the fence is. If it is legal, why do you have to knock him, unless your try to make yourself look better? We don't knock you because you hunt with a rifle. That's your choice. And as far as the buck he shot three years ago,it was as fair chase as it comes. You might be referring to the 40 acre CRP that the deer was shot in. They didn't even have a high fence until last year. They have a full time fence crew going right now. By this time next year the enclosure will be 1500 acres. And its not just grass land. It has very thick salt cedar patches and mesquite trees. As a matter of fact, we hunted those salt cedar patches for a day and didn't even see the buck. If your going to hammer on somebody at least have your facts straight before you open your mouth. To do otherwise makes you look stupid! I know what I'm talking about asI have been with him on all those hunts.

As for the State record, Texas recognizes high fence animals as long as new genetics were not introduced on the ranch. Half of Texas is high fenced, and as a matter of fact both the record nontypical and typical whitetail are from high fenced ranches.

Best Regards

Steve
 
When I first saw the "New Texas State Record Typical" title I thought "yah, but its in Texas" so I thought I should read the thread before I judge. After reading the thread I will stick with my orriginal thought and come right out with it "It's high fence Texas".

And yes everything is bigger in Texas, so big I think you need a passport to go there, don't you?




A bad day hunting still beats working!
 
Lowlandmulies---Regardless of whether it's 440 acres, 550 acres, or whatever, please don't call what you're doing "hunting" in a place that isn't even one square mile for a mulie with a lot of it being open like that picture shows. Anyway, you also mention $40,000, but didn't say what it cost and I imagine you know if you're a friend of the guy. Who really gives a rip what he paid for it, but I'll bet it was five figures!!! I also didn't see you say his statement about the semen collection was offbase. True or false? Also, you say he hasn't got a clue as to what he's talking about and it all makes him look stupid. I've been all over Texas hunting low fence rances for 30+ years and your statement about most of Texas being high fenced is about as stupid a remark as I've heard on the subject. Texas is almost all private property, but it sure as haydes isn't mostly high fence! Far from it, Mr. Expert. About all I can agree with you on this subject is that it was legal!!! Well whoopdedoo!!!
 
txmuley, you should have waited until after the video was released to bring this up. Would have been funny to see how this "hunt" would have been portrayed :D

~Z~
 
A poached buck would mean more to me.... and I abhor poaching!!!
The tape measurer is ruining hunting. IMHO. Just listen to how much some of our fellow members at hung up on score.
Zeke
 
Mr. Gun

First off the average price for a Gains county hunt is seventy five hundred to ten grand. He paid no more than that. Second, I said Half of Texas is high fenced, not most of texas. Thirdly, the picture wasn't taken were the deer was harvested. And lastly the semen was collected, but the hunter had nothing to do with it. It was all the landowner! The guy that is trying to save the genetics in Gaines county. Gaines county has the best genetics in Texas for mule deer and has been shot out! Did you hear of anything that come out of there this year?

Mr Expert

Steve
 
I'm sure the only chase that happened was when the buck chased the hunter to eat the apples he had for it.
 
I think it is funny how you all jump on board and try to discredit someone. This guy has twenty plus mule deer hanging on his wall with a large majority from Texas. Many of them over two hundred and all low fence except this one. He was not the person on this site boasting about what he has done! He doesn't try and pump him self up on these websites and magazines. He now has two of the largest bucks to ever come out of Gaines country. Both wild deer, one just happened to get caught inside a high fence when they put it up last year. None of us claim it was fair chase. So get off your high horse. Enjoy the deer for what it is, a huge texas muley.

This is exactly why I don't visit this site anymore! Nothing to learn just people criticizing each other.

Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year

Steve
 
Does anybody else see more like 15-17" in deductions..? Rather than 10"... There's gotta be 7" difference on the G3 alone...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Steve,
sounds like you've jumped on the "lying/coverup" bandwagon also or have just been misinformed, the "pen/high-fence" is over 3 years old - was built in the summer before the first buck was shot out of it - personally witnessed the construction of it, also, some of the deer were bought from a breeder in the Texas Panhandle, about 200 miles north - not all native Gaines county deer, also, if you think that "enclosure" is 590 acres then you obviously have no clue how big an acre or section of land is, will give you some credit though, must have been a real challenge trying to position the buck in that pen for some video footage without seeing the fence in the background, also, really enjoyed your videos in the past, but unfortunately won't be buying any more after this, to your credit though, sounds like you've been misinformed guite alot about this whole operation - but like alot of these "operations" in Texas - the whole lying/coverup game is a big part of it to make the hunter feel a little better about what he just did
 
"Half of Texas is high fenced, and as a matter of fact both the record nontypical and typical whitetail are from high fenced ranches."

One more reason TX sucks.
 
"Texas" doesn't recognize any records - there is no official Texas "record book", we have a big game awards program that is stricly voluntary - but no "official" team comes out and measures an animal and declares it the state record, what a joke - that is merely a "self-proclaimed" title the hunter bestows upon his harvest, the Texas big game awards program has only been around for about 10 years and probably less than 1% of the big deer taken every year are entered into this program
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 11:28AM (MST)[p]Okay, I used the word most instead of half, LOL! There is nowhere close to "half" either and your comment to that effect is absolutely ridiculous! Drive all over the countryside throughout the state and you don't run into anywhere near the high fences compared to the properties that are low fenced. As far as the semen issue, if your friend killed the deer for a set price I would think it's his deer to decide what to do and not do with it, or maybe the price was reduced for him to shoot it if he allowed the semen collection! Anyway, if he has so many great low fence bucks on his walls, WTH does he need to shoot that buck for? Answer---ego gratification and publicity for himself and the deer IMHO. As Zeke stated, and I'm in complete agreement, tape measures and "the book" are rapidly killing sport hunting to the point where these types of deer "farms" are now cropping up because there are a lot of people that don't know or care what hunting is really about.
 
>Steve,
>sounds like you've jumped on the
>"lying/coverup" bandwagon also or have
>just been misinformed, the "pen/high-fence"
>is over 3 years old
>- was built in the
>summer before the first buck
>was shot out of it
>- personally witnessed the construction
>of it, also, some of
>the deer were bought from
>a breeder in the Texas
>Panhandle, about 200 miles north
>- not all native Gaines
>county deer, also, if you
>think that "enclosure" is 590
>acres then you obviously have
>no clue how big an
>acre or section of land
>is, will give you some
>credit though, must have been
>a real challenge trying to
>position the buck in that
>pen for some video footage
>without seeing the fence in
>the background, also, really enjoyed
>your videos in the past,
>but unfortunately won't be buying
>any more after this, to
>your credit though, sounds like
>you've been misinformed guite alot
>about this whole operation -
>but like alot of these
>"operations" in Texas - the
>whole lying/coverup game is a
>big part of it to
>make the hunter feel a
>little better about what he
>just did


+1 txmuley
 
actually just drove by the "pen" a few minutes ago, my estimates on size are probably a little small - deceiving since it is so "wide open", few scattered small sanddunes, few scattered mesquite, but definitely not 590 acres - maybe 150-200 acres tops - a good educated guess would be 160 acres since most of this country is sectioned off with alot of 1/4 section tracts around, the larger ranches are laid off in "leagues" - so i will admit to probably underestimating the size of the "pen" - my bad
 
txmuley---You are definitely bad and you deserve three lashes with a wet noodle as Ann Landers used to say, LOL!
 
I never once lied, exaggerated any of the facts. If I was lying or trying to cover something up I would have come up with way more than 580 acres. It is what it is a high fenced buck. Nobody is claiming otherwise! At least get the facts right! By the way the eighty acre breeding pen was put up three years ago, but they don't hunt that!

As far as positioning the deer, that's a funny one! First we drugged him and them herded him with the helicopter! My first time flying a Heil!copter, but was fun! Didn't care about the fence! I knew what it was and what it was going to be! No need to try and hide it

As for the first deer he shot three years ago! You know it wasn't high fenced you and Tracy speath stopped by the house and know the whole story! Why would lie about that? Don't you have some teeth to clean?
 
>I think it is funny how
>you all jump on board
>and try to discredit someone.
> This guy has twenty
>plus mule deer hanging
>on his wall with a
>large majority from Texas.
>Many of them over two
>hundred and all low fence
>except this one. He
>was not the person on
>this site boasting about what
>he has done! He
>doesn't try and pump him
>self up on these websites
>and magazines. He now
>has two of the largest
>bucks to ever come out
>of Gaines country. Both
>wild deer, one just happened
>to get caught inside a
>high fence when they put
>it up last year.
>None of us claim it
>was fair chase. So
>get off your high horse.
> Enjoy the deer for
>what it is, a huge
>texas muley.
>
>This is exactly why I don't
>visit this site anymore!
>Nothing to learn just people
>criticizing each other.
>
>Have a great Christmas and a
>Happy New Year
>
>Steve


You guys claimed it was fair chase and claimed the full 1500 acres were currently under high fence on another forum (TBH). When you were getting exposed you went to the mods to have the thread deleted. Now on this forum it's 590 acres (580 acres on a later post). I grew up in the area. I know the property. This was not a fair chase hunt. Not even close. No way it could be with the cover available.

Another thing that made me laugh was when (on the other forum) yall claimed that it was a real hunt because it took until the second day to kill the deer. I wasn't there but from what I understand this hunt was filmed. How good would the footage be if it showed the "hunter" drive through the gate, pull out his gun and kill the animal in 5 minutes????

These guys (Mcguires) are something else.........

Just own up to what you do. Don't try to change the facts.
 
I would love to buy some land from you Ted. Call the game department they will tell you how big it is! I've seen the MLD paper work! Way to much laughy gas for you!
 
High fence. That's all I needed to know right there. The rest is just turd polishing.



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boy, guess you're getting all kinds of wrong info, don't really get the laughing gas/ teeth cleaning remarks and never heard of tracy speath - who the heck are you talking to??? doesn't really matter to me, have nothing against somebody shooting something in a pen, as long as everybody knows what it is, also, the facts about Gaines county not having any more big deer is also a little off, have personally seen pics of a buck with 18.5" backs and a 36" taken this year in Gaines county (pretty impressive considering less than 1 inch of rainfall during their antler growing season) - and neither were shot in a pen - and yes, there is a big difference IMO between breeder pens and a truly high fenced ranch with native deer and enough room for the deer to remain as they were - and with the way mule deer roam in texas, anything under 100,000 acres for muleys is garbage
 
Txmuleys

I agree with you in the size deal. As a matter of fact a agree with you and your opinion on most your points.. Just was disagreeing with your facts about the ranch. Not that big of a deal. It's a great deer regardless. Its great to see those awesome Gaines County genetics for the typical trait.

Your 36 incher you refer to was a 3 by 4 with very little mass! Great deer considering the year. The other deer you speak of I have no recollection of! Still a far cry from where it was 3 and 4 years ago. Good luck out there next year!

Steve
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 06:15PM (MST)[p]>Hook'em
>I'm sure you have never fished
>in a pond or lake!
> Good one!

Well lowlifemulies

First of all - it's ROY - the "Hook 'em" is just my signature.

Second of all - fishing in a pond and high fence hunting?? Are you kidding me? Not even the same comparison - NOT EVEN CLOSE buddy!

Third of all - the "turd polishing" comment is about all the different arguments about this and the way you are trying to spin this as a positive thing. Trying to justify or rail against it just plain stupid. Like you said - it is what it is - a beautiful big mule deer shot in a high fence area.

What bothers me is that it is being passed off as some kind of a "state" record or great accomplishment. Granted it may not be you that is doing that, but it appears this post started as a rumor that it was and the pic has appeared on several differnt websites and is making the e-mail rounds. It is clear that SOMEBODY is trying to pass it off as a big to do.

Just doesn't hold water in my book. And to tell you the truth, it is not so much that I object to high fence hunting. It surely has its place and in some circumstances it is legitimate and viable. As far as this hunt is concerned - as you have described it here on this post - compares to about every other "high fence" hunt I have ever seen or participated in with the only difference being that none of those hunts was ever passed off as some kind of a record or great accomplishment. Year before last my brother and I hunted a ranch near Copperas Cove, TX for turkey and he had the opportunity to take a world class Scimitar Horned Oryx that was also roaming the property. The bull he shot had only one complete horn, the other had been broken off. His taxidermist fixed and and after it was measured, it scored #3 in the world SCI. So did we text the pics all over and publicize them on different websites and claim it was some great feat??

NO! Because it wasn't.

It was fun as hell though and the thing looks crazy cool on his wall and it gave us one great memory of hunting together, chasing it through the junipers (salt patch cedars) and mesquite for two days before he finally got a shot (sound familiar)? At any point during that two days were we worried that it was going to just magically disappear and we were never going to see it again? Hell no, we just had to wait for it to show up at the next feeder and he made a nice shot on it. It was fun but it was high fence. Trying to justify that it was anything else than canned is turd polishing in my book.



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the guy that shot the 36" buck only shot it to take it out of the breeding pool because it was a 3x4 - had a 190" 35" 4 y.o. standing next to it that he wanted to let grow another year or two, there's alot of bucks taken in that region that very few people ever see or know about because the hunters are not concerned with the publicity, just the pure enjoyment of hunting the sandhills of Texas - but unfortunately scenarios like the one we've been debating puts a little tarnish on all of the other huge bucks taken in this region every year fair chase by very hard-working hunters on huge ranches. Therefore, most of these hunters keep their trophy's quiet except amongst some very close friends and continue to enjoy some of the finest mule deer hunting out there - wish you could see the buck the 8 year old boy harvested (son of the guy with the 36" 3x4) after a 4 hour crawl thru knee-high grass - not a "state record", but probably the best buck taken in Gaines County this year that wasn't in a pen - it's been fun, will probably check back in in a year or two, can see that not much has changed
 
Wow. Comparing fishing in a lake or pond to hunting inside of that particular fence.......that's funny.

I'll answer your question though. Yes, I've fished in a lake and a pond/tank. But this hunt is more of the equivalent of fishing for an 18 lb. bass in a bathtub.

The fact still remains that yall have claimed that the hunt was on a 1,500 acre pasture that was high fenced. That wouldn't be much better but 1/3 of that size is plain shameful. And I'm honestly surprised that the Mcguires haven't come on here and requested that this thread be deleted as well. The reality of the way this hunt went down is certainly much different than they planned to portray it in the video footage. It just screws up the story they planned on telling when it is exposed that the buck was shot in the equivalent of a pen.

590 (or is it 580.....or 440???) acres isn't nearly as much as some people on here may think when it is laid out pretty much flat and there isn't any cover (yes, I've seen the place).

Canned hunt. Pure and simple.
 
Best quote- "this hunt is more of the equivalent of fishing for an 18 lb. bass in a bathtub."

Love it RdRdrFan..!!!

By the way- tough year for Tech- that schedule was brutal...
 
>Best quote- "this hunt is more
>of the equivalent of fishing
>for an 18 lb. bass
>in a bathtub."
>
>Love it RdRdrFan..!!!
>
>By the way- tough year for
>Tech- that schedule was brutal...
>


Yeah the schedule was brutal........and our coach sucks. Don't see it getting much better around here as long as they insist on holding on to Coach Tuberville.
 
If its behind a fence its a canned hunt,the "hunter" may be happy with it but the rest of he world knows it will never mean anything.If this forum turns into a HF promoting group of "hunters" your going to loose all creditability you ever had with the muley hunting clan,if theres any group that doesnt agree with HF hunting scenario its the mule deer hunters of the west.Any hunter that is concerned about the future of our sport and the future of the wildlife we hunt should know that HF hunting fuels the anti hunting movement more than anything else out there.The image of the "penned hunt" is always used in their fund raising and awareness propaganda,they dont show the 10,000 acre operations they show the BS kind we have here,and the truth is most of the HF operations are small enough to fall into the same category.HF is geared around growing big antlers and setting everything up so any fat,lazy sob who cant stand the thought of maybe not harvesting an animal or harvesting one that might not stack up can sit in a blind and shoot a monster without breaking a sweat.If you consider this crap hunting I feel sorry for you because you will never know the truth of what hunting means.Your missing out on something you will never find behind a fence.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-11 AT 09:40PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-11 AT 08:45?PM (MST)

I'm sure Lowland knows what hunting really means. He's one of those guys that has been there and done that on a DIY diet of trophy muleys but I am with Hunterharry on this one. Do a HF shoot once and there is a good chance that non-fair chase event will follow you around for years and years to come. I personally can't see how someone who has killed monsters on legit wilderness DIY style hunts would find anything interesting about a non-fair chase shoot. And I do find the remark about the so-called hunter not self promoting odd, as that hunter was indeed in a recent Muley Crazy magazine bragging about killing numerous 200 inchers in one season. At the time I thought it was just a 'Mr. Moneybags' kind of article but I did think it odd that 2 of those bucks came from Texas of all places. Were those both HF? If either was, then the so-called hunter had no right sending that story into MC.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-11
>AT 09:40?PM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-11
>AT 08:45?PM (MST)
>
>I'm sure Lowland knows what hunting
>really means. He's one of
>those guys that has been
>there and done that on
>a DIY diet of trophy
>muleys but I am with
>Hunterharry on this one. Do
>a HF shoot once and
>there is a good chance
>that non-fair chase event will
>follow you around for years
>and years to come. I
>personally can't see how someone
>who has killed monsters on
>legit wilderness DIY style hunts
>would find anything interesting about
>a non-fair chase shoot. And
>I do find the remark
>about the so-called hunter not
>self promoting odd, as that
>hunter was indeed in a
>recent Muley Crazy magazine bragging
>about killing numerous 200 inchers
>in one season. At the
>time I thought it was
>just a 'Mr. Moneybags' kind
>of article but I did
>think it odd that 2
>of those bucks came from
>Texas of all places. Were
>those both HF? If either
>was, then the so-called hunter
>had no right sending that
>story into MC.

In all fairness, that other deer was fair chase.

The sand hills out here have historically held some ridiculously large mule deer. Most of the pics haven't gotten out too much but there are multiple 200" bucks taken every year during the one week season out of this one county. The bad thing is that the quality is going downhill. Texas Park and Wildlife thinks that it can manage mule deer the same way it manages whitetail. Anybody who can gain access to the land can buy a license and go hunt mule deer. That is the bad news. The good news is that all of the land out there is private and gaining access is difficult/expensive. They just opened the county up for mule deer a few years ago. The first year there were some crazy big deer taken and alot of them. Each year the number of quality deer has drastically reduced. The mule deer just don't come back like whitetail do. I'd love to see TPWD change it over to a draw system.....limit the number of tags available in order to preserve the herd. Unfortunately, they have totally screwed up other counties that produced monster mule deer in the past. Some of those counties are so shot out that you could go hunt for a week and not see a single deer (much less one with antlers....much less a trophy).

I'm just saying all of this to say that when they first opened a mule deer season in this county it probably had the highest concentration of 200"+ mule deer of any place in the world. Now it is pretty much shot out. There are a few left out there but nothing like it was before. So don't be too surprised when you see a big mule deer come out of Texas. We've got a few monsters......that don't live in a pen.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-11 AT 09:49AM (MST)[p]Let me start by saying I get paid to film people on their adventures. I filmed
this client on 12 fair chaise muley hunts this year alone, Including
two other Texas mule deer that were over 190 inches with one being 201. I'm their to film, I dont care where or what! As long as my client is happy and it legal, that is all that concerns me! You guys have been great to me over the years and I appreciate it! I mirror most all of your beliefs in this matter, I just don't agree with the way you portray it! Lying about the size of the property to make it look worse then it actually was! If its legal you don't need to publicly bash it! Like I said you don't have to like it or the hunter, he could care less what you think! He's happy with his mule deer. He knows what it is and isn't trying to hide anything!

You guys have a Merry Christmas And a happy new year! I'm in Desneyland for my kids birthday and I'm not going to let you ruin my vacation or my sons birthday!

After christmas, I go film two more mule deer hunts in Texas. 104,000 acres of low fence! Then it is my turn! Audad with my bow and if I can't get it done with my bow I'll pull out the smoke pole! Oh and it's also a104,000 acres of free range fair chase!

See you all at the Dallas safari club convention after that!
 
Lowlandmulies said "Thirdly, the picture wasn't taken were the deer was harvested."

That certainly implies that someone had the intention to make it look like something it wasn't. From the photo it looks like there are miles of open ground behind.

It's hard to put anything past the MM guys. A lot of guys here live and breath big bucks. You're better off comming clean from day one.

Eel
 
This whole thing kinda stinks. Sounds to me like Texas really desrves no respect for whatever mule deer come from there. All private land, high fences, access only to those priviledged enough to have it. 100,000 acres or 200 acres, its all fenced or private. A monkey could kill a big deer on 100,000 acres of private land. Is that Texas' version of real mule deer hunting, 100k acre private ranch? Sounds like pretty elite priviledged hunting to me. No free roaming herds on public land with public pressure where the bucks have to get smart to get big.

The photo of this Texas buck looks like he still has his guts in him? They moved him to take a photo and didn't have to get the guts out of him to do it? I don't know why I'm wasting time commenting on this, I know better than to expect anything more from Texas, been there, they can have it.

Fact of the matter is there was no hunting involved here, there is hunting and there is shooting, sounds like a monkey could have killed this deer, all it would need is a checkbook....
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-11 AT 12:05PM (MST)[p]spurin48 stated: "A monkey could kill a big deer on 100,000 acres of private land".

Give me a break, LOL! If that 100,000 acres held only that one buck and the place didn't have a single bush on it, I guarantee that you wouldn't find him on a routine time frame like most hunts are to make a statement like that. Do you know how big that much acreage covers? You couldn't cover it all driving in a week!!! Do you think Texas is the only state that has spreads of 100,000 acres or more? It sounds like something Shedz would come up with, LOL, seeing as how he knows that every high fence is a canned hunt and he's speaking for "all" hunters. What a joke!!!

I also call BS to the statement that lowlandmulies made saying he filmed that guy on 12 "fair chase hunts" this year unless you're talking about each day of filming being a hunt. Where in haydes is a guy going to be able to make that many mulie hunts even if he drew a tag in every state that has them and even added a Province or two in Canada!!!
 
Here we go with the Audad again,lets here how tough they are to kill and even if they are highfenced they are a tough hunt....
With enough money you could do that many hunts,buying gov and landowner tags makes it possible for slob hunters who think they need to buy up all the statewide tags and hire "******" outfitters to wipe their ass.
 
MTSHEDHEDZ:"Here we go with the Audad again,lets here how tough they are to kill and even if they are highfenced they are a tough hunt....
buying gov and landowner tags makes it possible for slob hunters who think they need to buy up all the statewide tags and hire "******" outfitters to wipe their ass.""

Who said anything about a high fence aoudad hunt other than you, LOL! The only talk of hunting that animal was on large unfenced areas in southwest and west Texas until you opened your pooper about the canned hunt you did in the hill country when you were a little kid, which I think may have been last week! Now you don't like outfitters either huh! Anybody ever tell you you're one cranky SOB? If not, I just did! I'll bet you're really getting into the "Bah Humbug" spirit for the upcoming weekend by now too, LOL!!!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-11
>AT 12:05?PM (MST)
>
>spurin48 stated: "A monkey could kill
>a big deer on 100,000
>acres of private land".
>
>Give me a break, LOL!
>If that 100,000 acres held
>only that one buck and
>the place didn't have a
>single bush on it, I
>guarantee that you wouldn't find
>him on a routine time
>frame like most hunts are
>to make a statement like
>that. Do you know
>how big that much acreage
>covers? You couldn't cover
>it all driving in a
>week!!! Do you think
>Texas is the only state
>that has spreads of 100,000
>acres or more? It
>sounds like something Shedz would
>come up with, LOL, seeing
>as how he knows that
>every high fence is a
>canned hunt and he's speaking
> for "all" hunters.
>What a joke!!!
>
>I also call BS to the
>statement that lowlandmulies made saying
>he filmed that guy on
>12 "fair chase hunts" this
>year unless you're talking about
>each day of filming being
>a hunt. Where in
>haydes is a guy going
>to be able to make
>that many mulie hunts even
>if he drew a tag
>in every state that has
>them and even added a
>Province or two in Canada!!!
>


100k acres of private is gonna hold more than one bush and more than one big deer, and have minimal hunting pressure if any over that exspanse of land, so yes, there is no doubt in my mind that a monkey trained to aim and pull a trigger could roll up in the truck, drop the window and dump a big buck, Texans seem to pull it off, so a monkey should have no problems. We're not talking about a needle in a haystack type scenario like you are tying to portray. If you want that experience, hunt the mountains out west!
 
You must lack reading comprehension as the one bush/one buck was just a scenario I posed, LOL! How long do you think it would take you or a friggin monkey to cover that much territory trying to find him, even if you were driving around all day? Answer---One hell of a long time if he didn't want you to see him and, by the way, I hunt the BigHorn Mountains of Wyoming every year and have since 1994!!! Trying to find that one deer, even with no cover on that much land, would definitely be like trying to find a needle in a haystack! Add any cover whatsoever for him to use and you are really full of baloney.
 
Spurin, so let me get this straight...since it was private land, it's easy to kill a big buck? No wait, since it's Texas, it's easy to kill a big buck? So if this exact same piece of property was in Wyoming or Montana would you call it real hunting even though it was private? I am in no way supporting this hunter or hunt, but your statement is ridiculous.

I've hunted West Texas with my dad four years in a row, all on properties of 50,000 acres or more...we've shot one buck. Yes, we could have shot others, but we have no interest in killing your typical 20-22" 4 point. I'm not saying that's not a great trophy for someone else, just not my thing. Conversely, we can typcially find 4 or 5 180"+ bucks in the area we hunt in Colorado during a 5 day season (and not during the rut)...all in what is probably under a 20,000 acre area. So does this mean I am a real hunter now because I can shoot a big buck in Colorado easier than I can in Texas? I sure hope so...thought I was gonna have to go buy some bananas...
 
why would you pose such an assanine senario? 1 big buck, only one, on 100k PRIVATE acres...... My point is, thats not realistic. Give me 100k private acres in mule deer country with limited pressure and I'll show you plenty of big deer, hence, its not that hard. lots of bucks should be surviving well into their prime in that habitat. If we're gonna claim that there is only one buck on 100k why not throw in some bouncing betty's placed all over the country side, a sling shot for a weapon and go barefoot, bout as ralistic as your scenario...... So how exactly am I full of baloney, in the real world of course, not your pipe dream scenario.
 
>Spurin, so let me get this
>straight...since it was private land,
>it's easy to kill a
>big buck? No wait, since
>it's Texas, it's easy to
>kill a big buck? So
>if this exact same piece
>of property was in Wyoming
>or Montana would you call
>it real hunting even though
>it was private? I
>am in no way supporting
>this hunter or hunt, but
>your statement is ridiculous.
>
>I've hunted West Texas with my
>dad four years in a
>row, all on properties of
>50,000 acres or more...we've shot
>one buck. Yes, we
>could have shot others, but
>we have no interest in
>killing your typical 20-22" 4
>point. I'm not saying
>that's not a great trophy
>for someone else, just not
>my thing. Conversely, we
>can typcially find 4 or
>5 180"+ bucks in the
>area we hunt in Colorado
>during a 5 day season
>(and not during the rut)...all
>in what is probably under
>a 20,000 acre area.
>So does this mean I
>am a real hunter now
>because I can shoot a
>big buck in Colorado easier
>than I can in Texas?
> I sure hope so...thought
>I was gonna have to
>go buy some bananas...


Pretty much, 100k acres of limited if any hunting pressure is going to produce a plentiful amount of bucks dying of old age so to speak. Easy is a relative term, but I have seen plenty of BIG bucks on private land, not as large as 100k acres, that you could drive up to and roll the window down and shoot, regardless of terrain or cover. Large private ranches like that in Wy or Mt that are in mule deer country are gonna be pretty much a cinch for killing a big deer. I know guys that do it every year from the pickup window. Everyones definition of hunting is different, a large private chunk should make killing a stroker a given just about every time IMO. Of course genetics play into it, but a mature 5-8 year old deer will not be uncommon. Don't know what to tell you about your texas spot other than it must suck and I'd look for better mule deer country to hunt, or you need to invest in some good optics and take a little more time glassing.... seems like theres lots of guys on here that don't have any trouble finding big deer to photo in a limited hunting pressure are. Limited is limited wether its a draw tag or private access limitation.
 
Spurin, you crack me up...have you ever hunted in Texas? My first response to your "limited pressure" excuse is that there is no limit on the number of hunts a landowner can sell. If they guy wanted to sell 1,000 hunts on his 10,000 acres he could. Most private mule deer ranches in texas hunt pretty heavily, especially when the season is fairly short. Also, if it was as easy as you say to go out and shoot a 180+ on every private ranch in Texas, don't you think the hunting world would be flocking to the state or everyone would charge $10K to hunt? Why is that not the case? I can promise you that no outfitter in the state of Texas will guarantee a 180"+ buck...but I guess they should be since it's so easy, huh?

Now I will say that hunting in Texas is nothing like hunting in the west, and I much prefer to hunt the western states. However limited draws and miles make that a little tougher than I would like. Is Texas physically easier to hunt? Sure, no question. But is it easier to find a trophy buck? No way.

Oh, and by the way, me and my dad have owned Swaro binos and spotting scopes for over 10 years and spend plenty of time behind them, but thanks for the tip...
 
Maybe I should have responded by asking what your definition of a "stroker" is first...

And your "limited is limited" comment makes no sense...if that was the case every unit in Colorado should be filled with giant bucks that someone can "drive up to, roll down the window, and shoot" because they are all limited draw.
 
This lowlands character sure has alot to say about defending a deer that his only interest in is supposedly filming for a client.Sounds like this post ruined his chance to put this hunt in his movies or at least make him own up to the truth of what it really is.You cant fool people on this site very often and he proved that.Talk about digging your own grave.Maybe he can get this post deleted so he doesnt have to read his hypocritical post HE posted.Should of known he was involved when this post first came up.LMAO!
 
"Large private ranches like that in Wy or Mt that are in mule deer country are gonna be pretty much a cinch for killing a big deer"

Just proved you dont know ##### about hunting deer in MT.
 
> "Large private ranches like that
>in Wy or Mt that
>are in mule deer country
>are gonna be pretty much
>a cinch for killing a
>big deer"
>
>Just proved you dont know #####
>about hunting deer in MT.
>


Well, not sure what to tell ya there, I live in MT and I may be way off and might regret it, but I'd dare to venture that we could go pic for pic and you would look real bad. For a guy that doesn't know #### about hunting deer in MT I guess I have gotten aweful lucky year after year. Thats a pretty bold statement you make without knowing who you are talking to. Since you must be the expert and authority on how its done, lets do just that and post pic for pic there stud.
 
I'm not knockin' Lowlands for doing what he does. Each to his own when it comes to paying the bills and feeding your family. We all have our own personal values that we will hold ourselves too. For me personally, I would turn down any offer to film such an event no matter how much money was thrown around. Thats just me. Others might be in a different mindset. My feeling on the highfence issue is that strong. I look at it like a plague to our hunting heritage that was built in North America. The King's deer ain't the king's deer. They belong to the people!
 
"I look at it like a plague to our hunting heritage that was built in North America. The King's deer ain't the king's deer. They belong to the people! "

I couldnt agree more.
 
>> "Large private ranches like that
>>in Wy or Mt that
>>are in mule deer country
>>are gonna be pretty much
>>a cinch for killing a
>>big deer"
>>
>>Just proved you dont know #####
>>about hunting deer in MT.
>>
>
>
>Well, not sure what to tell
>ya there, I live in
>MT and I may be
>way off and might regret
>it, but I'd dare to
>venture that we could go
>pic for pic and you
>would look real bad. For
>a guy that doesn't know
>#### about hunting deer in
>MT I guess I have
>gotten aweful lucky year after
>year. Thats a pretty bold
>statement you make without knowing
>who you are talking to.
>Since you must be the
>expert and authority on how
>its done, lets do just
>that and post pic for
>pic there stud.

It doesnt matter who Im talking to,its not true that you can shoot BIG bucks off any big ranch in MT.What exactly do you want to see pics of?Who said they had killed anything bigger than you?Sounds to me like your looking to start a fight,Ill make you a bet.Ill take you out on a big ranch over by Glendive that has tons of deer,if you cant kill a BIG buck in 3 days you owe me 5 grand,sound like a deal?Im not sure what your idea of a big buck is but they arnt on every ranch in MT and if they are they arnt all an easy kill as you claim,I guess you have hunted them all and know everything.Is this your outfit?

http://montanamountainlionhunts.com/About_Us.html
 
So Steve, there are quite a few pics of you with guys and their Unit 45 deer here in Idaho. You aren't a guide, so you take these guys out and they pay you to video them?

PS A high fence is a high fence to most DIY guys. I can't imagine supporting the high fence 400-500" elk killed annually as real trophy hunts so I REALLY can't imagine supporting a mule deer killed in any fence the deer can't simply hop over let alone a 600 acre enclosure!
 
Damn some of us have way too much time on our hands. A guy tries to make a decent living doing something he loves, and by the way legal, and he gets an enema shoved up his hemmoroid area.
I would rather have the nimrod whack a great buck like this instead of having some virus or vehicle mutilate such a fine specimen!
Let's appreciate the awesome animal instead of letting penis envy get in the way of how and where such animal was collected.
 
>>> "Large private ranches like that
>>>in Wy or Mt that
>>>are in mule deer country
>>>are gonna be pretty much
>>>a cinch for killing a
>>>big deer"
>>>
>>>Just proved you dont know #####
>>>about hunting deer in MT.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Well, not sure what to tell
>>ya there, I live in
>>MT and I may be
>>way off and might regret
>>it, but I'd dare to
>>venture that we could go
>>pic for pic and you
>>would look real bad. For
>>a guy that doesn't know
>>#### about hunting deer in
>>MT I guess I have
>>gotten aweful lucky year after
>>year. Thats a pretty bold
>>statement you make without knowing
>>who you are talking to.
>>Since you must be the
>>expert and authority on how
>>its done, lets do just
>>that and post pic for
>>pic there stud.
>
>It doesnt matter who Im talking
>to,its not true that you
>can shoot BIG bucks off
>any big ranch in MT.What
>exactly do you want to
>see pics of?Who said they
>had killed anything bigger than
>you?Sounds to me like your
>looking to start a fight,Ill
>make you a bet.Ill take
>you out on a big
>ranch over by Glendive that
>has tons of deer,if you
>cant kill a BIG buck
>in 3 days you owe
>me 5 grand,sound like a
>deal?Im not sure what your
>idea of a big buck
>is but they arnt on
>every ranch in MT and
>if they are they arnt
>all an easy kill as
>you claim,I guess you have
>hunted them all and know
>everything.Is this your outfit?
>
>http://montanamountainlionhunts.com/About_Us.html


you stated that I don't know ##### about hunting deer in MT, my response was lets post up some pics to see which one of us is more successful at it. If you're going to say I don't know anything, I would hope you are more successful than me, I think you know what i meant. I never said "any" big ranch in MT, I said any big ranch in mule deer country with mule deer. You show me a private ranch with a good mule deer pop, and there will be big deer on it. Take a drive up flatwillow cr. south of grass range and see what is stading next to the road on the N Bar ranch, any of Ted Turners properties, Letterman's ranch, the Cobb Ranch on the front, hell any ranch on the front, the Booth ranch out east, list goes on and on. If a guy knows what hew is doing and can get access on a large ranch in prime country with a good pop. and limited pressure, its a cinch, sorry if you can't get it done. Yes thats me, you have my name number etc., who exactly are you? Pretty sure your name isn't Joe Dirte.... I'm bettin a transplant from Ca?
 
Here's how I look at the filming of this high fence hunt. Take a great wildlife videographer and give him a job filming fat guys doing porn. Just ain't right now is it? :)
 
>Damn some of us have way
>too much time on our
>hands. A guy tries to
>make a decent living doing
>something he loves, and by
>the way legal, and he
>gets an enema shoved up
>his hemmoroid area.
>I would rather have the nimrod
>whack a great buck like
>this instead of having some
>virus or vehicle mutilate such
>a fine specimen!
>Let's appreciate the awesome animal instead
>of letting penis envy get
>in the way of how
>and where such animal was
>collected.

Highly likely that buck has had more than just a 'virus'. You do realize that most of these big deer are not 'natural' right? There are these things called Steriods, maybe you have heard about them? These deer are no better than your hasbeen washed up baseball players or our washed up World Record Sprinter from the 80's. Most of these Roid freaks don't have a penis to be envious of. :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-26-11 AT 09:25PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-26-11 AT 09:22?PM (MST)

>>>> "Large private ranches like that
>>>>in Wy or Mt that
>>>>are in mule deer country
>>>>are gonna be pretty much
>>>>a cinch for killing a
>>>>big deer"
>>>>
>>>>Just proved you dont know #####
>>>>about hunting deer in MT.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, not sure what to tell
>>>ya there, I live in
>>>MT and I may be
>>>way off and might regret
>>>it, but I'd dare to
>>>venture that we could go
>>>pic for pic and you
>>>would look real bad. For
>>>a guy that doesn't know
>>>#### about hunting deer in
>>>MT I guess I have
>>>gotten aweful lucky year after
>>>year. Thats a pretty bold
>>>statement you make without knowing
>>>who you are talking to.
>>>Since you must be the
>>>expert and authority on how
>>>its done, lets do just
>>>that and post pic for
>>>pic there stud.
>>
>>It doesnt matter who Im talking
>>to,its not true that you
>>can shoot BIG bucks off
>>any big ranch in MT.What
>>exactly do you want to
>>see pics of?Who said they
>>had killed anything bigger than
>>you?Sounds to me like your
>>looking to start a fight,Ill
>>make you a bet.Ill take
>>you out on a big
>>ranch over by Glendive that
>>has tons of deer,if you
>>cant kill a BIG buck
>>in 3 days you owe
>>me 5 grand,sound like a
>>deal?Im not sure what your
>>idea of a big buck
>>is but they arnt on
>>every ranch in MT and
>>if they are they arnt
>>all an easy kill as
>>you claim,I guess you have
>>hunted them all and know
>>everything.Is this your outfit?
>>
>>http://montanamountainlionhunts.com/About_Us.html
>
>
>you stated that I don't
>know ##### about hunting deer
>in MT, my response was
>lets post up some pics
>to see which one of
>us is more successful at
>it. If you're going to
>say I don't know anything,
>I would hope you are
>more successful than me, I
>think you know what i
>meant. I never said "any"
>big ranch in MT, I
>said any big ranch in
>mule deer country with mule
>deer. You show me a
>private ranch with a good
>mule deer pop, and there
>will be big deer on
>it. Take a drive up
>flatwillow cr. south of grass
>range and see what is
>stading next to the road
>on the N Bar ranch,
>any of Ted Turners properties,
>Letterman's ranch, the Cobb Ranch
>on the front, hell any
>ranch on the front, the
>Booth ranch out east, list
>goes on and on. If
>a guy knows what hew
>is doing and can get
>access on a large ranch
>in prime country with a
>good pop. and limited pressure,
>its a cinch, sorry if
>you can't get it done.
>Yes thats me, you have
>my name number etc., who
>exactly are you? Pretty sure
>your name isn't Joe Dirte....
>I'm bettin a transplant from
>Ca?


"If a guy knows what hew is doing and can get access on a large ranch in prime country with a good pop. and limited pressure, its a cinch, sorry if you can't get it done."

So now its "prime country and limited pressure"?Thats not what you stated above,you said large private ranchs in WY and MT.
Ive spent some time on the Cobb ranch,if your idea of a big buck is about 150" your right on.If these BIG bucks are so easy to kill why does MT have so few B&C entrys each year?You think that just because the state record buck was POACHED off the letterman place in January it holds monster bucks?WRONG,they dont even show up down there until after the season and only if there's enough snow.Your just looking for a ##### measuring contest where you can post pics of big bucks and tell us how much of a better muley hunter you are,every post you have made since you found this forum has proved that.You sound like another outfitter with an attitude problem,Ill take you to that BIG ranch in E MT with tons of MD and WT and you show me with your superior hunting skills a mule deer buck in the 180 inch class and Ill buy your story.Nows the part where you tell me 160" is a big deer.
 
This guy appears to be no stranger to the strap-on..
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you obviously are not getting the point, you avoided the questions and still choose to hide behind a screen name and dodged the transplant question as well, and no 160 is respectable and nice, but not big. If I had wanted to proclaim myself the greatest and just throw up a myraid of pics, I would have, YOU stated that I knew nothing, so I offered a solution. Far as the Cobb ranch goes I guess you missed the picture that was floating around of a monster non-typ that came from that area before the general hunt closed. Thank you for reminding me why I tend to steer clear of these forums, for every one person that gets it done and has some good info and knowledge, there are 50 village idiots puffing their chest and claiming BS on things they can't seem to accomplish themselves. 180 is not B&C, guess 180 isn't big to you, since it doesn't qualify as a MT B&C entry? I don't really care. Good luck to you trying to break the 150 mark, from the sounds of things you are gonna need it....
 
Which of Turner's ranches (you say any) have great mule deer hunting? Just a big number of acres and no hunters, doesn't equate to big deer.
 
>Which of Turner's ranches (you say
>any) have great mule deer
>hunting? Just a big number
>of acres and no hunters,
>doesn't equate to big deer.
>


Big deer can be found on the Bar None and the D, never been on the Ruby ranch or associated with anyone that guides on it, but I have seen video and photos of the deer on the other two. Unless you guide on them you really have no idea whats there. I see guide footage from those ranches every year.... or am I full of #### again, you tell me I guess. I'm done posting here, too many arm chair quarterbacks that think they know everything about places hey have no knowledge of. later all
 
I've guided on the bar none. Haven't seen the videos you're talking about. Do know of some good bucks occasionally taken. It no slam dunk on any of turners mt ranches for trophy mule deer. You are an armchair qtrback.
 
Hey Steve

If you've been in Gaines co the past 3 yrs tell us who got caught poaching on Denmond and Brennand looking for that 230 non-typical that was featured in Muley Crazy. And as for your comment about Gaines county being shot out.... That's a bunch of bull! Just because their not standing in the middle of the peanut fields during daylight hours doesn't mean their gone.
 
Oh boy, here we go again resurrecting what was hoped to be a dead thread, LOL! Even better is that it's by a first post newbie!!!
 
I just got wind of a guy mentioning something about a deer with 18in backs in Gaines co on here and figured I'd check it out. Lol... I was gonna keep my comments to myself but after reading some the bs that's out there I thought id put my 2 cents worth in. Their made out to be such great hunters!!! If having a spotter bed one down for and then when you finish your breakfast walk out there n shoot em is the definition of a hunter then these guys are the best! I'm not knocking that deer though! Awesome deer! All I can say is that guy is gonna get the trapper of the yr award for sure!!! Lol!!!
 
was wondering when somebody would bring up members of this "team" getting caught trespassing on POSTED ranches looking for the big non-typical - reckon the film crew was there to catch it all on tape??? not heresay, it's all at the gaines county courthouse for everyone to see
 
Yep, somebody better get back on here quickly to stir it up some more before it hardens, LOL!!! I wonder if any of the film has the "No Trespassing" signs in it!
 
Wish someone would post a pic of the big typical they shot a couple yrs ago. Nearly a twin to the one this yr! Anyone wanna bet it came from the same place the " NEW State Record " came from?
 

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