Here is an SFW Question for Don Peay?

cantkillathing · Jan 7, 2012

Don here is a chance to set the record straight, there is alot of people that are curious weather this deer push is just another tactic to get SFW memberships and money.

To help us understand how SFW is going to help can you give us an official stants on how SFW is targeting predators?

I have never seen SFW to any RAC meeting concerning Mountain Lion, or Bear and was wondering what the stance is on these 2 predators.

Why is coyotes the only target? Shouldn't all predators that prey on mule deer be targeted?

Mountain lions on average kill 1 deer a week, a female with kittens will kill 3 deer per week.

Bear do not prey much on adult mule deer, but do on fawns. There is not certain study that will give you a solid number on how many deer a bear kills a year. But they do prey on fawns.

So if you could give us an answer on what the stance is on predators, and if SFW will help target other predators as well?

I bring this up because it is rumored that one of the presidents of SFW is a big time houndsman and that is why Lions and Bears are never targeted by SFW.

Thanks,

hornkiller · Jan 7, 2012

Good luck with a responce!

kk · Jan 7, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-12 AT 08:12PM (MST)[p]I am not Don, but I can tell you, Lions have been pounded for at least the last 10 years. A lot of the units never close. I have been hunting lions for 20 years and in the areas I hunt, lions are at the lowest number since I started hunting, and they should be, because of how bad the deer herd is. I hunt lion and bear but also have a love for hunting Deer, Elk and Sheep. So I am not just one sided on the subject of lions.

The DWR made some changes to the lion hunt for this year(hunt going on now) and I think it will result in a lot more lion being killed. But it has been a hard year so far due to lack of snow. I would rather hunt dry ground, but it is harder to find a track.
I can only talk about lions on the units I hunt, I do not hunt the entire state and do not pretend to know about the lion populations on units I do not hunt.

To answer your questions:
Byron Bateman is the president of SFW, he used to hunt bear in the same area that I hunt. But I haven't seen him hunting for a few years, I don't know why or if I just missed him.
If you ever go to the SE region bear or lion rac meeting? SFW is always there asking for more lion and bear to be taken. That's the RAC meeting I go to so it is the only one I know. But SFW is always there and asking for more lion and bear to be taken.
I did miss the rac meeting on bear this year because it was moved to Monticello. So I do not know about it.
I agree something needs to be done to bring deer numbers up. And I am willing to try about anything. We are losing to many young hunters and something needs to be done to make it so young kids want to hunt.

TOPGUN · Jan 7, 2012

Short of a major, expensive aerial assault, along with trapping and possibly a bounty on them for the public to also get involved and help cut the numbers, I don't see it working if there are as many coyotes in Utah as MMers say there is.

noluck · Jan 7, 2012

I was at southern bear rac this year representing the Beaver SFW chapter. I begged for increasing bear tags until we see our mule deer coming back.

Long story short I was told by Doug Messerly, and Anise (remember he is the big game rep) that bears don't kill deer. I was the only public member there that wasn't a hounds man. I asked them to please consider not increasing bear populations until deer begin to recover. One more interEsting note there were 17 dnr employees at the meeting, and only 5 non gov employees in the audience.

Apparently the division beliefs Utah bears are vegetarians.

ShowThemToMe · Jan 7, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-12 AT 05:18AM (MST)[p]>Don here is a chance to
>set the record straight, there
>is alot of people
>that are curious weather this
>deer push is just another
>tactic to get SFW memberships
>and money.
>
>To help us understand how SFW
>is going to help can
>you give us an official
>stants on how SFW is
>targeting predators?
>
>I have never seen SFW to
>any RAC meeting concerning Mountain
>Lion, or Bear and was
>wondering what the stance is
>on these 2 predators.
>
>Why is coyotes the only target?
> Shouldn't all predators that
>prey on mule deer be
>targeted?
>
>Mountain lions on average kill 1
>deer a week, a
>female with kittens will kill
>3 deer per week.
>
>Bear do not prey much on
>adult mule deer, but do
>on fawns. There is
>not certain study that will
>give you a solid number
>on how many deer a
>bear kills a year.
>But they do prey on
>fawns.
>
>So if you could give us
>an answer on what the
>stance is on predators, and
>if SFW will help target
>other predators as well?
>
>I bring this up because it
>is rumored that one of
>the presidents of SFW is
>a big time houndsman and
>that is why Lions and
>Bears are never targeted by
>SFW.
>
>Thanks,

cantkilladamnthing!!!

You are even Blinder than I once thought,GEEZUS!

Guess you have a short Memory?

They hammered the Lions in the Book Cliffs & yes we can blame or pat PEAYDAY on the Back for it!

Did the F'n Deer come back like as expected,HELL NO!

You need to open your eyes for GAWDS sake!

The Lion numbers have been reduced in many places,did the Deer come back?No,the current management plans along with about 20 other reasons won't let the TARDville herd come back!

You'd best get out in the woods a little more often & check sshit out with your own eyes rather than the DWR brain washing you or sucking total BULLSSHIT hear-say clear to your Gills!

I'll bet you're one of the JOKERS claiming Utah bobcat's are raising Hell with Deer too,you just keep lookin for Phony excuses don't you?Take a look at the Pumkin Patch Pressure,you ever wonder if that does any damage?GEEZUS!

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smitty · Jan 8, 2012

I've seen the damage that coyotes can do to a deer herd. I'm all for killing as many as possible, that's why I go out every saturday morning and hunt 'em. By myself, I'll never make a dent in the population, but if they did start gunning from the air and maybe get poison back, then I do believe we would see improvements.

Up here on the Cache, they wiped out the lions, we don't have bears really, and our deer herd blows.

So, yea, let's kill the damn yotes. Too bad we can't go back in time and see how the old timers did it.....I guess if you don't read history books you'll end up making the same mistakes over and over.

cantkillathing · Jan 8, 2012

Yes Showthemtome, its funny how you always have the answers but never give your plan or soluntion.

there were alot more orange back in the day than there is now, so dont give us all the crap that it is all the hunters.

Yes check the history, My grandpa was a government trapper and there were no deer in san juan county, Him and another trapper Killed all the damn lions, coyotes, wolfs, there were no bear. So yes there is more lions now than there was then. And what happened after they killed almost every predator in our county, well lets say with in 10 years there were more deer than anything, they had to issue you more deer tags.

So Yes the predators are a problem, so open your damn eyes. You seem to know all the answers. But you wont give anyone your idea, You seem to think just keep cutting tags and cutting tags is going to solve the problem.

Yes bobcats have an impact on mule deer. not much but they do. You have to take in consideration every thing that has an impact.

ONe more thing how many times were you beaten as a child you seem to always have a huge chip on your shoulder. Maybe someone needs to give you a hug.

elkun · Jan 8, 2012

sttm. have you joined the coyote contest at stwarts in roosevelt yet?win a free gun binos. ect. 10.00 bucks gets you in. bring in coyote ears. get a ticket for every coyote.less talk more action....heres a chance for every hunter to help our deer.,....

ShowThemToMe · Jan 8, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-12 AT 12:50PM (MST)[p]>sttm. have you joined the
>coyote contest at stwarts in
>roosevelt yet?win a free gun
>binos. ect. 10.00 bucks
>gets you in. bring in
>coyote ears. get a ticket
>for every coyote.less talk more
>action....heres a chance for every
>hunter to help our
>deer.,....

elkun!

Didn't do no Contest!

I Have been raising Hell with Coyotes though and as you already know elkun!

But KNOW-IT-ALLS like can'tkillaf'nthing has all the answers,I knew he'd suck the bullsshitt in when a few other MM'ers have claimed now even the bobcats are big enough to kill the Utah PISSCUTTERS and are raising Hell with deer numbers,WAFJ!

A week ago A Pack(Coyotes cantkillathing, not a Pack of Lions!)took one of the local Deer down,I haven't got em all yet but I'll guarantee I thinned them f'rs out!

Oh,did I tell you a couple of them are missing their feet?

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can

REDDOG · Jan 8, 2012

Why are they missing their feet?

Grizz · Jan 8, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-12 AT 02:41PM (MST)[p]

+1....good post Cantkillathing.....and furthermore if he (showmetard) uses the Tardville thing lets ignore the Tard

elkun · Jan 8, 2012

reddog,. they lost them to mr kitty kat,. in poker game'. thats why you have bobcats. some times mr kitty looses.....

cantkillathing · Jan 8, 2012

ShowThemToMe · Jan 8, 2012

That ain't nothin!

Real bobcats kill Bucks!

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cantkillathing · Jan 8, 2012

I was hoping to get your blood boiling with that picture, and waiting for the cuss words to come flying our of the screen, you must be getting tired.

Sometimes it is just fun to get you all wound up, sometimes I wounder if you hit your computer..

I cant wait to meet you one day STTM, when you come to Monticello or Blanding again lets do lunch.

ShowThemToMe · Jan 8, 2012

Oh I've hit My Puter before!

I'm down there a couple of times each Fall!

You ever seen a bobcat take a Bull?

I'm hopin someday,some year it will happen!

Probably won't be anything left but PISSCUTTERS when I finally pull a Tag!

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can

cantkillathing · Jan 8, 2012

Good luck with that. Atleast once youve drawn then you can try to draw a deer tag...lol

ShowThemToMe · Jan 8, 2012

I'm gonna be an Opportunist on the Deer Tag!

I'm gonna act exactly how all the Elk Opportunists have acted after the LE Units started producing Big Bulls!!!

I'll want an LE Deer Permit Now & I'm not waiting my turn!

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can

pumaguy · Jan 8, 2012

If you have never seen SFW at a RAC meeting about cougars or bears you haven't been to many RAC meetings. And by the way, I've hunted lions for just shy of 30 years and there are fewer lions now than in the past.

elkun · Jan 9, 2012

pumaguy.thats good news. lets keep it that way. the less preators of all kind is good....

hornkiller · Jan 9, 2012

All these guys that say we have less lion now than 30 years ago
might just be getting to old and cant find them!
Just give it up your to old.

Tikka · Jan 9, 2012

hornkiller

The best part of you ran down your mothers legs!

cantkillathing · Jan 9, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Jan-09-12 AT 06:22PM (MST)[p]Lets do the math on the San Juan Unit. They give out 10 quota tags and 10 draw tags, 20 tags altogether. Now the DWR is not going to give out 20 tags if they think there is only 5 lions, or 10 lions, or 20 lions, they give out 20 tags because the guestimate probably atleast 40 lions or more in the area.

If there is 40 lions on the unit, and there is 12,900 deer on the unit. 40 lions x 52 deer per year on average= 2040 deer being killed a year by Lions alone.

Now if coyotes kill just as many then we are at 4040 deer killed a year by predators. Lets throw in our road kill and ours is about a deer a day, we will be conservative and say 350 by auto.

Lets throw in something that will make STTM upset and say bear kill a small persent and I will say 350 fawns.

Lets say bobcats kill 1 just to throw that out.

Hunters kill 400.

2040 by lions
2040 by coyotes
350 by auto
350 by bear
1 by bobcats
400 by hunters

Total is 5,181 deer killed a year by predators. Which factors are killing most of the deer, is it hunters....no....

Predators alone are killing atleast a third of our herd each year.

Alright STTM Lets hear it....

cantkillathing · Jan 9, 2012

What no reply, must be a slow night.

3blade · Jan 9, 2012

+1

hard to dispute the cold hard math isn't it?

ShowThemToMe · Jan 9, 2012

Well cant!

The bobcat can't Hunt the SJ without a Tag,so add that 1 Deer back to the total!

You're low on Road Kills!

You've left several factors out!

But once again,another person wanting to blame one thing

redators!

Guess Poachers in that area are not considered Predators?

Keep adding the Big Picture up cant,you're gettin better at it,maybe the time the whole Herd is decimated you'll have all the answers?

When you say San Juan Unit?

Are you talking Elk Ridge only?

Do you really believe the 12,900 number?

I'd say you Guys have got enough Predators to wipe the Deer clear out in one year!

There's by far more Lions in your neck of the woods than here!

And way more Bears!(We don't wanna forget about the Millions of Deer the Bears kill every year in TARDville!)

Keep thinkin cant,you'll see the big picture one of these days,THINK!,THINK!,KEEP THINKING!

Keep adding!

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can

hornkiller · Jan 9, 2012

Tikka the best part of you was never even in your parents to start with!
go back to your thread where you copy/pasted from nasa.

cantkillathing · Jan 10, 2012

STTM, I am just using the numbers in the san juan area, That is our average road kill just on this unit.

I am also speaking of the San Juan Abajo unit, I believe that is the numbers they have for it. I cant seem to find the elk ridge numbers unless that is part of the 12,000 number. And No I dont beleive the numbers, its more like 5,000 on the Abajo unit. My quess for elk ridge would be less than a 1,000 deer.

Poaching lets add that maybe 50 deer.

ShowThemToMe · Jan 10, 2012

cant!

If you're talking both Abajo & Elk ridge there's damn sure more than 350 Deer per year hit on the Roadways!

I know they ain't hitting as many as they used to,but there ain't as many Deer as there used to be either!

The Stretch between Monticello & Blanding is a Zoo with Roadkills damn near year around!

How many they hit on 95 I haven't a Clue?

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