Proper Bounty for Yotes??

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With all this talk of much more pressure on the Coyote population, the way i see it, can only be successful in one of two ways, or both.

Hire pro coyote guys full time. and/or. Put a proper bounty on them so as to encourage and help defray the costs of hunting them.

What would be a proper bounty? $5. $10. each or more? How many yotes are we talking here and what would be a reasonable budget?

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
In Utah they use to give 20 bucks each. But I dont think they have done that in a while. I think it worked well. Only so much money given to each county per year. When the money was gone for that year, no more bounty paid out. I think SFW had something to do with the program ?
 
Thanks BIGJOHNT!

So at $20. each, and set a arbitrary statewide goal, to be split among the counties, of removing 10,000 yotes, that's a budget of $200K, the price of one super duper type high dollar tag.

Do these numbers seem reasonable? They do for me and Doe deer everywhere would have a much better chance of raising their fawns.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
N_C, That's what i'm talkin 'bout!

Serious, if all this is more than just more talk, DO IT! The price is right, the money is not excessive, the need is there, DO IT!

Your Deer herds will thank You!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Well I dont no about retiring but it helped pay for a little gas :) What was nice is you only had to bring in the two ears and the tail. I hate getting fleas all over my truck from those flea bags !!
 
Maybe if one shoots X amount (say 10) coyotes it would guarantee them a deer tag to a general unit of choice. Instead of paying $200 at $20 a piece you are only out the cost of a tag. However, it may be more of a headache keeping track of the numbers rather than just writing a check.

Would people be more motivated by this or the money would be the next question.

I would be motivated by either.
 
At 20 bucks a coyote you might pay for your gas but thats about it. there's not many people that have the skills, and not many places you can kill 10+ coyotes day in and day out to make a living.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-12 AT 10:00AM (MST)[p]Good thoughts guys!

I think $50. might be expecting too much and $20. might not be enough. I do though believe that many are going to hunt and shoot yotes anyway so let's talk $25. bounty a yote.

$25. X 10,000 yotes = $250K, still a reasonable dollar amount when you consider how beneficial -10k yotes would be for your state and it's resulting impact on your deer numbers.

This is a doable project that can be done now! This and reduced tags. The rest, fences, habitat improvement, winter grounds,... are all more long term talk with maybe a little actual improvement seen each year. Yes, this is no new idea yet i've seen no way mentioned exactly how that it is to be done. Do it!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Why is it so tough to get people out hunting yotes?The hides are getting decent prices today and as concerned about the deer herds as you Utah guys sound you should all be out there helping.We do it around here for shits and giggles,no bounty required.
 
From the SFW meeting that I attended they announced they are in the process of setting up a fund for coyote removal with a bounty of $50. They are also hiring a couple of full time coyote hunter/trappers to concentrate in certain areas. They said they are setting up the ground rules so that the focus is on the areas where the deer winter and then on spring fawning areas. They mentioned that they are sure that some guys might drive to Nevada and then claim they killed the coyotes in Utah for the bounty. They figured 5-15% would cheat that way but it was no reason to not get the program initiated in Utah ASAP.
 
If the coyote numbers are so bad in many areas, the only way you will cut the numbers way down is by aerial gunning, government or professional trapping, and as many hunters out there in their spared time wacking them because the old days of poisoning them is long gone. The first two alternatives are going to run into six figures to do much good IMHO!
 
the idea of a bounty is not so you can make a full time living killing coyotes or even make a profit. It is so you can go out and have fun hunting and receive an immidiate reward for your efforts. Besides if you get your 20 dollar bounty for a set of ears then turn around and get your money for skinning the damn thing you could make a little money just for being out in the hills killing coyotes. sounds like win win to me.
 
imomarks, +1, exactly!

Nebo, That's great if they actually do...in certain areas maybe with special interests. Sorry, i have little faith in SFW doing much on their own, ASAP, without a overwhelming outcry from the reg folks who buy them lottery tickets.

Cheating! Why didn't i think of that? Good point though.

Double bounty for all yotes weighing more than 50 pounds! :)

Joey





"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-12 AT 02:25PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-12 AT 02:04?PM (MST)

>If the coyote numbers are so
>bad in many areas, the
>only way you will cut
>the numbers way down is
>by aerial gunning, government or
>professional trapping, and as many
>hunters out there in their
>spared time wacking them because
>the old days of poisoning
>them is long gone.
>The first two alternatives are
>going to run into six
>figures to do much good
>IMHO!

Ye Topgun, the airial gunning would be very expensive. That was kind of the point of my post.

Make it legal for privet helicopter contractors to sell the gunners seat.

Just think how much fun it would be hanging out the door of a helicopter at 50 feet with a 10 gauge simi auto loaded with 4 inch buck shot.

Not that there is a lot of sport in that, but the whole extreme sports thing is big now. Just have to remember the whole point is to hammer the dogs.

Also give them permission to drop a couple of road kill deer a couple of days before a hunt.

With a handle like Topgun it may be right up your alley.:)

It's time to start thinking outside the box. If Texas can do it why not Utah?
 
Joey,
Both my Grandfather and Uncle were trappers in Nevada County here in CA from late 40's to the early or mid 60's. My uncle was transfered from CA F&G to the US Dept of Interior under game Mgr. I think it was, would have to look at the placket he received when he retire.

I remember when I use to visit the ranch out of Grass Valley, that my Grandfather and my uncle had the scalp with ears still attached hanging in the shop from a rafter till it was time to box them up and send into SAC. They got $10 per "head piece" along with thier monthly salary....but this was back in the 50-60's after that have no idea, they may have done away with that procedure. I do know that the smell in that shop was pretty strong at times like during the summer heat spells...LOL

Brian
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Cast, Them chopper jockies might or might not care to allow that type of goings on within their rigs. Good point though and another way to help get it done. One thing, private property boundries would have to be respected and that might be tuff in a lot of cases from the air.

Topgun, so what do you think of my idea? Yes, it's going to cost money but no more than one super duper tag sale!

Kilo, nice imput. My Grandpa used to tell me of the days when he was a kid, there were no lions, no coyotes, and no Deer on their entire Ranch. I grew up on that place and hundreds of Deer could be then found there on an aggressive hunt if you were just looking for numbers.

There were no mt lions or coyotes though...until my late teens when i spotted the first yote i'd ever seen on the place. Within 5 years, yotes were to be seen every hunt and never more than 30-40 deer spotted. It all changed about that fast and that was the major influence in my getting involved in Wildlife Biology and Game Management so many years ago.

Joey

It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
IMO anything goes to get them under control as long as it's done safely and legally. I think even though I'm a "bolt action" type of guy that I could get into wacking hogs or yotes from a chopper with one of those semis, LOL!!!
 
Just to be clear, it is not my intention or idea to bring the yotes under control by guys hunting from choppers. My idea was to impose a nice bounty, last talk was of $25. per, as a incentive for every "hunter" to get out there and help thin them yotes.

My plan would not be intended to completely wipe out the yote population, as if that could be done, but by a major thinning, it surely would "help" the deer herds quickly recover to habitat holding numbers. Then, we could strive to a manage and support a proper balanced predator-prey ratio.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
why don't you come to Nebraska and pick up some of our mangy coyotes and take them back with you. I will guarantee it will all but put in end to your population for the next 5 years. Neither I nor the old timers around here have EVER seen mange like this. I have seen 2 coyotes since Nov. and I am out every day. It is awful, if you like to hunt coyotes.

"In the breast of every meat hunter there beats the heart of a secret, frustrated trophy hunter."
 
I'm all for bringing back a bounty and wish they never would of stopped. Between me and friend we would have made $400 since october. That $400 probably wouldn't cover all our gas but it sure would help and give us incentive to go.
Another great way to kill dogs is coyote contest derby's. Its alot of fun and the team with the most kills wins some pretty cool stuff.
I would almost rather hunt dogs then deer, Almost! They are smart buggers and even if you fool one they are damn hard to hit.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-12 AT 06:20PM (MST)[p]Sage---Yep, I understood what you want to do and that's good. However, as I mentioned, it won't put much of a dent in them because they are smart and you don't just go out and kill a bunch every day. That's why it will take a combination of things to really whittle away at them. Just hunting them like you propose would probably only cause the litters of the remaining ones to increase to make up for loses. As our NE member stated, mange is the one thing that really knocks them for a loop when they are overpopulating an area. You can't rely on that though, so you need a combination of things like I mentioned to wack them good and it won't be cheap.
 
I agree killing from the air is the only way your going to make a real difference. But it comes with a very big price tag. Hunters on the ground will kill a few but will quickly educate the dogs making it even harder. Yes more hunters hunting them will help, but not enough to see wildlife numbers improve. The only way to successfully manage coyote numbers is in the air.
I actually think doing guided heli hunts would be cool. And a great way to kill dogs without the state having to pay the bill. Hell I would pay 3-4 hundred to go blast the shiz out of dogs for an hour or two, it would be a blast but I doubt it would ever fly.
 
Boot, as soon as the the cow elk hunts are over if you're down, I'll show you a place we can knock down 10+ yotes a day!! They're everywhere!!

~Z~
 
Sage, I too think a bounty would be nice. As far as the choppers they would be an additional way of control in problem areas and at the same time put more moneys into the public bounty fund as well.

With the GPS systems they have now days crossing over property lines should not be a problem. This outfit linked below boasts it's GPS skills.

There is even a helicopter contractor in Saint Gorge that is advertising Hog hunts... in Texas. That's a long way to go. It must be getting popular.

It might bring buissnes to Utah, put moneys towards bounties, and kill a bunch of dogs. Not to mention be a whole lot of fun. Could be a WIN,WIN!

And your right your never going to kill them all.

$25 bounty per head seems about right.


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http://skyhawkhelicopters.com/hog-hunting-in-texas.html
 
Utah has a bounty system now, $20 for a set of ears. Limit of 10 sets.

SFW is also co-sponsoring coyote competitions with Cal-Ranch around the state.

I hunt coyotes every saturday, I will max out my ear limit and freeze whatever I get for next year. I also have a guy that will give me $10 for the carcass. He skins them and then sells the hide in Ogden. I feel better knowing that whatever dogs I kill won't be eating any deer this year. But I know they will replace the dead faster than I can kill them.

In my opinion, we will not win the coyote problem until there is an all out war, complete with poison and full time trappers.

Sport hunting is not going to affect the coyote numbers.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-12 AT 08:20PM (MST)[p]OK, OK! In my defense, i did in my 2nd sentence of the original post say, "Hire pro coyote guys full time. and/or. Put a proper bounty on them..."

So, i left out the air attack. For some reason, i just believe that doing that in Utah is not going to fly :) too well with all the libs in that state. I'm not a resident there, Maybe i'm wrong, most likely, i'm not all the way right, sounds better.

As far as a the existing limited bounty goes, first that i or any of the other posters, seems like, have heard that there is already a system in place. Who is in charge and where do you turn your proof of kill in to?

I have killed a bunch of dogs in my life. I love sitting on a decent place, getting my call out, and squealing away to the tune of some sad wabbit. I'm no pro and i do understand how they can quickly get edumacated, but i've put my share down without too much difficulty. If $25. a head were offered around here, there would be a lot less yotes pulling fawns outa momma and a lot less guys just doing their reloading this winter.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I know around my area in utah they do kill from the air. I dont know who pays the bill but every year I see them flying around guns a blazing! Its kinda scary when they come over the hill and buzz you @ 20 feet with a gun out the window. First thought is oh $*%# FBI/CIA/SWAT?
 
Here in southern Idaho the govt trapper got the gunner seat. He put down 40 dogs in about a 3-4 radius in about one hour. We got some donation money together for fuel to keep him in the air longer
. It makes a difference in my opinion. Right up til old mother nature put most of the fawns down in one hard winter He also gets donation money from wool growers association and Idaho cattle association
 
Last year opening morning of my bowhunt I'm sitting across the canyon watching a group of bucks feed I had watched all summer. I was waiting to see if the 4 point I posted a video of called "new friend" would bed down by himself like he had done the previous few days. Out of nowhere the government trappers on my property below mine start blasting yotes...for over 4 hours!! I was so pissed...deer scattered like a bomb had been dropped!!

Anyways lots of yotes still around my cabin one_dryboot, we'll go git after em as soon as the cow hunts are over but with the little snowfall we've had this year, I don't want to piss anyone off...

~Z~
 
Bounty would be OK, but in my case, I kill a lot of them on the opposite side of the river and would need a boat to go get the "evidence".

We have a mange problem also, so I rarely touch the carcass. Ravens and eagles need to eat too.

Years ago, it was worth the effort to skin them out and sell the hides, but not so much anymore. I would have to "retrofit" my ammo, in order to salvage hides.

The guys I used to hunt with, had an electric skinning table, hide stretchers, wringer washing machines and drying racks. They got $40 a hide and were doing 25 or so a week.

It is hard, stinky work....and God only knows, what kind of parasites you are being exposed to, not to mention fleas, ticks and mites.

We will have beef calves hitting the ground in a couple of weeks, and 10 dogs a day ain't even busy, around 1500 cows with calves......I HATE the things and shoot them for free!

"Fathom the hypocracy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove that they are insured.....but not everyone must prove that they are a citizen"
 
My brother has been getting up to $30 per dog right now by just dropping the carcass off at the hide and fur buyer. That is about 3 times better than usual.
 

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