Kansas

[upmuley]

I think I am going to use my points in Kansas this year or next with the hope of drawing a mule deer stamp. If not whiteys it is. Because of where I live and the very little time I can take off from work I think I am going to do an outfitter on this hunt. Suggestions for muleys first but good whitetails as a backup? I'd like to keep the fees under $4K.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

 

[Deone]

I think you are going to have a really hard time finding an outfitter for mule deer in kansas. not many of them. also, lots of people apply for the stamp. 2 buddies have been applying for them since the onset of the stamp and have not drawn yet.

However, if you do draw, get a hold of me if you do not find any other options. I hunt very hard for them and had great success on very large deer. I'm not an outfitter nor will i accept money, laws state i cannot, but we could work out some type of trade. big deer are hard to find, but there are pockets that they frequent checking does and i know where they are, i spend more time scouting than i do working! the people in my town think i'm crazy for making the deer such a passion.

I'm in unit 1, far northwestern corner. Whitetail hunting is fair at best. my buddies kill deer every year but not like the ones that are killed in eastern kansas.

get ahold of me if you find nothing else.

Deone

 

[Zim]

Deone, I used to hunt Kansas back in the 90's and 00's but gave up when they liberalized the NR tags to basically over-the-counter. I still have 4 points left sitting there. I've not kept up with the reg changes the last 10 years. Can you tell me what the current deal is for NR's and if it's worth doing anything with my 4 points? Thanks.


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[Zim]

Never mind. Just found it online. Doesn't look like anything appealing to me given the requirements.

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[Deone]

I meant to send the first post as a pm, hope i don't open up a big can of worms.


Looks like that it is going to take at least 4 points to draw a muzzle loader tag. In mid September, all the crops are still in the fields and the very warm weather. They are very hard to hunt then. Can also hunt during the rifle season, but with the truck warriors and the over the counter mule deer muzzle loader tags for all residents make it very difficult to have a good hunt. scoped muzzle loaders make a rifle basically so there is a lot of pressure on the deer, big or little, it doesn't matter.

Here's what I know and may only be my opinion and it is almost 100% from an archery standpoint.

The idea of a mule deer stamp is great for out of staters wanting to hunt here, but it sure is hard to draw and i'm glad they are not letting more stamps out.

You are going to draw the whitetail tag!!!! no questions asked, making you eligible for the mule deer stamp, which more than likely you are not going to draw. you do not need any points to draw the whitetail tag.

Which in my opinion, leaves the problem. My opinion is that the best mule deer areas and locations are probably the worst whitetail and hardest to hunt in the state. Huge pastures, few trees and hard to find whitetails. There will be a few deer that travel the creeks but the good ones are few and far between. Lots of deer a moving into the vastness to get away from the pressure of the creeks make it a tough hunt.

I'm not trying to poo-poo anything, i love where i hunt and glad i'm a resident. However, if i were out of state, things would be different.

Taking a chance to draw a tag and getting a whitetail tag in a sub-par region would be risky. you can't turn them back in either. If you want to hunt good whitetails, there are much better areas to hunt in midcentral and eastern kansas. kansas is a great mule deer state and definitely under utilized, but there are reasons for it.

i sure hope that i have made some sense on this.

 

[upmuley]

That makes a HUGE amount of sense and is exactly what I was afraid of. I was really disappointed when the mule deer stamp was changed from a preference point situation to a random draw. That is total garbage in my opinion but all the states do it. I have a bunch of points that I was building to "guarantee" a muley stamp then it was changed a few years ago to being put in a random draw. I quit accumulating points then and now need to do something or lose the points. The good thing is the points didn't cost a ton. I'd just love to hunt muleys in Western Kansas I guess but with my luck I will not draw!

Thanks!

Jason

 

[upmuley]

Deone - please check your private messages.

 

[seeleymt]

Put in for unit 1,2 in Kansas also will draw a whitetail for sure have pre points, but really looking for a mule deer tag in second draw poor odds. Not sure if I just draw the whitetail tag if I will even go, don't know much about the whitetails in this part of Kansas, have hunted in central Kansas mostly, tiugh hunt for muzzlerloader if cops are still in and it's hot. Any advice on these units will be appreciated.
Thansk Brian

 

[MJ]

1 & 2 are tough. 99% private and the walk-ins are very hit and miss for deer. I have land in both.

 

[Packout]

Kansas was great for big mule deer 5 years ago. What has changed since?--- well that is easy. Kansas has allowed unlimited resident muzzleloader permits good for mule deer and they give more resident rifle mule deer permits (Residents had to draw for all mule deer tags prior). Of course there will always be some large bucks taken due to all the private property and limited access. The public access areas have been hit very hard and quality has shown it. A non-resident has less than 25% chance of obtaining the mule deer stamp after they pay $400+ for a whitetail permit. It is harder to obtain permission in many areas also. That is a tough go....

 

[seeleymt]

What kind of land do you have in this unit's, do you alllow any hunting on them?

 

[seeleymt]

Well that's what I kind of thought, but if I draw a mule deer tag I would be looking for some private to hunt on, willing to pay a trespass fee if necessary, if the tag onl;y ends up being for whitetail I would look at the same private, any Ideas?
Brian