Anyone know the buck to doe ratio in the early 60's era.

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I am trying to find out the buck to doe ratio in the 60's era in utah. I searched on dwr website could not find it. wondering if someone here might know.
Thanks,
 
READ THE LAST PART!

80 PLUS FAWNS PER 100 DOES!

I SEE A PATTERN DEVELOPING HERE!

FAWNS MAKE BUCKS!

WHEN WILL THE dwr TELL THE TRUTH?

NO FAWN SURVIVAL , NO HERD!

JUST SAYING!
 
>wow 42 bucks per 100 does.
>


Sounds like it had been a while since any serious winter kills. It's a pretty good ratio though with a good recruitment rate.
 
you guys are soooo stupid bucks dont matter! they dont make fawns! its the doe that makes them geez! never seen a buck have a fawn ever! you only need 8 yearling bucks to breed 1000 does anyway! duh! it doesnt matter that you can go out and see 200 head of does and not one single buck with them because bucks are not needed to reproduce! obviously you guys dont listen to anis, and the other well learned gentlemen on this site! its all about fawn recruitment and we do not need bucks for that! ugh idiots just pay attention!
 
And I Quote from the ox:

Obviouis you Guys don't listen to Anis!

That's Rocket Science right there ox,WTF are you doing Ranching?

8 yearling PISSCUTTER Bucks to do the Breeding my ASS!

Problem is ox:

Back before the Genetics were destroyed in TARDville,PISSCUTTER Bucks doing some of the breeding wasn't a bad thing,they were still packin good Genetics!

Now you're recomending that modern day PISSCUTTER Bucks doing the Breeding is still OK,You're up in the night once again,the yearling Bucks of today will be JUNK all their Lives thanks to POOR management & not letting anything live past age 3 & Good Genetics being shot clear out of the Herd!

If you're SUCKING Anis's BS to Heart ox You've got alot to learn & it only shows your Arrogance!

Until TARDS get the Buck to Doe TARDology BS out of the Heads & start managing for bigger Herd numbers & start letting some Deer live past age 3 you can kiss it goodbye!

40 years & counting ox & you still Praise the DWR for PISS POOR Management,WTF?

I hope to GAWD you're doing better than that with your Private Herd of whatever you Grow?

8 Bucks per 1,000 Does huh ox,GEEZUS,maybe you could team up with Anis?





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Surely it was just sarcasm. 8 on 1000 would create a lot of line breeding and every rancher would know that... which leads to a lot of fertility problems in offspring.
 
sttm hAHAHA yiu crack me up ol man! yeah txpackmule is right it was 100% sarcasm bud! i think anis's name fits him very well. I can see how you thought i was serious as there are actually some guys on here that say that exact thing but are serious!
 
This (below) is from NDOW website:

After the second consecutive year of a modest increase in Nevada?s mule deer population estimate, a series of factors are contributing to NDOW?s increased tag quota recommendations in many areas. Some of these areas have been growing rapidly with commensurate increases in their buck ratios, some of those same areas experienced significant tag reductions last year allowing for increases in the buck ratios. Further exacerbating the issue, many of those same areas had exceptionally high production AND recruitment due to a favorable 2010-11 winter, good summer, and very mild 2011-12 winter. Nevada continues to maintain one of the highest post-hunt buck ratio objectives in the country with many areas well over 30 bucks per one hundred does.
 
I wonder what the elk population was in the areas that are really struggling now in the 60's? It seems to me that as you read more and more about the abundance and quality of elk in Utah you also hear more and more about the sad state of their once solid mule deer herd? I have heard it talked about a little bit as one of the many variables in this complex problem but I tend to think its a bigger factor than most. What do you guys think?

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Published reports from an intensive study done on the Henry and La Sal Mtns in the late 1960s:
In 1967-1969, the La Sal Mtns had a PRE-Season ratio of 33 per 100.
In 1967-1969, the Henry Mtns had a PRE-season ratio of 29 per 100.
Those are PRE-season numbers, so I'll let you guys decide how high the buck to doe ratio was POST-Season on those units, but I'd wager it sure wasn't above 20.
 
IT ONLY TOOK ANIS A FEW YEARS TO KILL MOST OF THE DEER IN UTAH AND HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE FOR ANIS TO KILL THE REST ?
 
>I am trying to find out
>the buck to doe ratio
>in the 60's era in
>utah. I searched on
>dwr website could not find
>it. wondering if someone
>here might know.
>Thanks,

I received the 1962 report that I GRAMA'ed last week, but it doesn't include anything about the buck to doe ratios. Apparently it didn't matter back then. I do know that 43.2% (55,092) of the deer killed that year were does, so any post season buck to doe ratios would have been a bit higher than if only bucks were killed.

The issue back then was "hunting pressure" meaning hunters in the field at any given time during the regular season, ie; overcrowding. They even kept stats on how many hunters were in the unit, the number of deer that were killed each day and where the hunters lived (county, non-resident). The information was gathered by checking stations, postcards, and some phone calls. To combat that problem and spread the people out they had "Special" hunts including archery, antlerless, either sex, two deer (one must be antlerless), conditional (depredation, mitigation, landowner), and some units had split seasons and extensions of up to 5 or 13 or 72 days or 2 weekends. It looks like quite an operation!

But where the importance of buck to doe ratios came in, I'm not sure and it would be hard to figure it out based on this report.
 
Show me the DWR report----We had high Buck to Doe ratio and we had high fawn to doe ratio, but we had a lot of deer and the DWR got money hungry and started kill them off, just like they are doing now. Its poor management and now they try to blame it on anything they can, sorry lost all faith in the board and the dwr and their are a lot of hunters the same way i think.
 
If you've just got a ton of deer the hunting will be good b/c the numbers are in your favor. If the buck to doe ratio is heavily lopsided toward the does it doesn't take much for the numbers to slip. That ratio really needs to be as close to 1:1 as possible so those bucks can kick back into fat storage mode ASAP. You'll lose more bucks to natural mortality from stiffer competition for does, but you'll save more of them from not being run ragged when weather hits. It's hard to properly manage for the public when the public screams they want to be able to hunt units at any cost.
 
>Show me the DWR report----We had
>high Buck to Doe ratio
>and we had high fawn
>to doe ratio, but we
>had a lot of deer
>and the DWR got money
>hungry and started kill them
>off, just like they are
>doing now. Its poor management
>and now they try to
>blame it on anything they
>can, sorry lost all faith
>in the board and the
>dwr and their are a
>lot of hunters the same
>way i think.

Sorry, but I only have a paper copy and it's 76 pages long, but you could GRAMA a copy from the DWR and if you ask to have it emailed, it's free, at least mine was.

In any case, I guess you're allowed to put any spin you want on it since you've already decided there's a big conspiracy to steal your money and crash the mule deer herds at the same time, although I haven't seen any of the 400+ DWR employees or the Wildlife Board members get rich from that extremely well coordinated conspiracy.
 
"In any case, I guess you're allowed to put any spin you want on it since you've already decided there's a big conspiracy to steal your money and crash the mule deer herds at the same time, although I haven't seen any of the 400+ DWR employees or the Wildlife Board members get rich from that extremely well coordinated conspiracy."

Yep, that about covers it. good post.
 
There is a web site that shows their wages. The 20 year + managers get paid alot including anius. Alot of damn money for a FAILED MULE DEER POLICY !!!!

UTAHS RIGHT TO KNOW IS THE WEB SITE.

THE ONLY THING THEY ARE GOOD AT IS CHASING OFF HUNTERS.

THEY HAVE CAUSED THE LOSS OF HUNTERS, NOBODY ELSE!!!!!!!!

WHEN WILL THEY TELL THE TRUTH?
 
I just want the deer herd to come back,so the younger hunters can have good hunt, we can't just keep killing deer off, leave the does alone, cut buck tags and close a unit down if you have too. what youth wants to kill a doe ? whats wrong with a 3 or 4 point.
 
>I just want the deer herd
>to come back,so the younger
>hunters can have good hunt,
>we can't just keep killing
>deer off, leave the does
>alone, cut buck tags and
>close a unit down if
>you have too. what youth
>wants to kill a doe
>? whats wrong with a
>3 or 4 point.

I know lots of youth (and adults for that matter) that would be, or have been, as excited to hunt does as they have bucks. I guess it all depends on their upbringing. Antlers haven't ever been a big issue around our house nor around the folks I hang out with. And ANY deer hunt with family and friends is a good hunt. Also, nothing is wrong with a 3 or 4 point (or a spike or forkie).

So what you're suggesting is to cut my grandkids' "good hunts" now so that we can provide more of your "good hunts" later. Well, we're both in luck! We just took care of that with the 15-17 and 18-20 split and the doe tag approvals. You apply for buck tags in the 18-20 units or shut down any of them you want to and we'll apply for buck tags in the 15-17 units (and the doe tags that are available) and keep them open and we'll both be happy. In other words, you live in your 18-20 and Limited Entry world and we'll just be happy in our 15-17 and antlerless world and we don't have to worry about what happens in your unit and you don't have to worry about what happens in ours. It's wonderful, ain't it!
 

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