dont show them to me

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myland

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is anyone on this site interested in looking at photos of grown men with the forkhorns they somehow managed to sneak up on?
 
Doesn't really bother me. In some ways it shows a maturity and respect that goes well beyond the trophy hunting culture that we have created by trying to "out do" the next hunter. I say post 'em up. Be proud of your success and grateful for the opportunity and freedom you have to do it.



HOOK 'EM!
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It doesnt bother me either. Its pretty easy, if you dont appreciate the success and pride that another hunter has even if it is a forkie, then 2 things... dont comment on it, and dont look at it.

For alot of guys that dont have the time to scout or to be able to put 2 weeks on the boots in a back country hunt a forkie could be a trophy to them. For me it isnt about the biggest deer, will i take one? Yes! But I'll be damned to tell someone not to post a pic and story about a forkie they shot and are proud of.

So, if you dont want to see them then make a new site called 4 Point or better and then you wont have to worry about it.
 
Kinda with the others here. If you don't want to see it click back. The only person who can truly judge wether or not it is a trophy is the person that takes it. I have shot a fork horn and after not seeing one buck for seven day I was like what the heck. It was a trophy to me. I also have passed up bigger deer over a seven day hunt and gone home without a deer.
 
First we couldn't look at scantily clad women. Then no turkeys shot out of trees. Now no two points. What's next?

Personnaly I would rather see a grown women with her forkhorn.
 
Shoot what makes you happy......and don't let others influence your passion.

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
What most everyone else said. Ignore the elitists and share your hunt. I figure sharing a picture is a show of respect for the animal, similar to getting it mounted or something entered into the record book.
 
What kind of question is that anyway?
It doesn't matter to me what someone shoots and proudly shows off. I've already had one jerk "PM" me about my muzzleloader buck that I showed in my HAC post. He told me how it was a dink "pisscutter" and his sons first buck was much bigger. WOW, Some people.



There's always next year
 
I know this is a new and unheard of idea that took me some time to realize, but here it goes.

Some people enjoy hunting for reasons greater than the score. Some people ejoy thier god given right and freedom to decide what animal they want to harvest knowing that a "TROPHY" is more to them than what the tape measures.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-15-12 AT 08:13AM (MST)[p]I just wanted to pile on. Keep posting every and any buck. They are all good memories for the guy who got the buck. One of my best hunting memories was a buck that I shot hunting with my grandfather. Wasnt a monster but I had a great time and I thought that is what hunting was about.
 
I killed this buck a few years back because he has a sweet droptine!


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Does anyone really care what the ethics cops and whiners think on this site?

Attention ethics police: I have been sent here to
destroy you!!
 
Every animal harvested has some hunter that worked hard to get it. No matter the size, score, or age class it falls in. A trophy is different to any hunter no matter what the animal is. Post any thing u want is my opinion.
 
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This is my favorite buck I have ever pulled the trigger on and always will be! Not my first, but my first with my boys there and only one I will get to share with Kole.

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That about puts antler size in perspective Justr!

Not antlers big enough in the world to bump that buck out of his spot.

Bill

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
ignorance, and the gospel of envy.

You have enemies? Good. That means you've
stood up for something, sometime in your life.

- Winston Churchill
 
Let me just say this.
From an OLD Muley buck hunter :)
For all you folks that go out and hunt, on your own now days, Ladies, kids and everybody. Have fun, for SURE MORE to the hunt then working at outdoing others. :(

Bunch of CRAP!!
Forkhorn, spike, doe. I wanna see the pics!
I for one Don't care about the spendy, Guide pointing "that's your buck type thing"

In other words, yup, I like the REAL hunting type stuff. :)
 
LAST EDITED ON May-15-12 AT 06:24PM (MST)[p]>Not quite the response you were
>looking for eh myland?


I was kinda thinking the same thing.
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-15-12
>AT 06:24?PM (MST)

>
>>Not quite the response you were
>>looking for eh myland?
>
>
>I was kinda thinking the same
>thing.


I new there would be some whiners! Here in utah, these whiners complain about our deer herds, but cant stand goin home without!
 
This aint about trophy hunting, its about doin your part as a utah sportsman to help out our deer herds! If your happy shooting forkhorns every year on your annual camping trip then thats up to you. Theres nothing more rewarding than seeing a young kid with his first little buck, but here in utah that kid has to compete with grown men that shoot any legal buck.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-15-12 AT 08:48PM (MST)[p]Dont live in Utah. Live in MI, but If my deer population was dropping like a stone I could see being a little upset. I think you should direct your issues to your fish and game not a newbie or a meat hunter. Not trying to give you a hard time, I just think you should relize that alot of the bucks posted are by guys who
A
Dont have a ton of success for what ever reason. ( time, money, new to hunting)

B
They are just showing you one of there first bucks, and are now hardcore big buck hunters

C
Guys who are meat hunters

Hunters come in all skill levels just because a guy is 45 doesnt mean he is not new to hunting.
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-15-12
>AT 08:48?PM (MST)

>
>Dont live in Utah. Live in
>MI, but If my deer
>population was dropping like a
>stone I could see being
>a little upset. I think
>you should direct your issues
>to your fish and game
>not a newbie or a
>meat hunter. Not trying to
>give you a hard time,
>I just think you should
>relize that alot of the
>bucks posted are by guys
>who
>A
>Dont have a ton of success
>for what ever reason. (
>time, money, new to hunting)
>
>
>B
>They are just showing you one
>of there first bucks, and
>are now hardcore big buck
>hunters
>
>C
>Guys who are meat hunters
>
>Hunters come in all skill levels
>just because a guy is
>45 doesnt mean he is
>not new to hunting.

Good point, but our fish and game dpt. is in worse shape than our deer herds!
They manage for the money, not for the deer!
 
Educate yourself before you keep running your mouth...

A trophy to me is probably different than you. We come here to share pictures and stories of stuff we love. Don't tell me what to do and I will return the favor!

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This is my daughters first year to hunt big game in utah and ill be proud as hell to see her take a forkhorn, but she wont take another one next year, and even she is smart enough to know why. If she pays her dues and wants it bad enough she will kill a buck she can be proud of,and not just one she settled for.
 
I get a kick seeing the smiles of other hunters with their bucks regardless of their rack size. It's what makes you happy in the end guys.

Eldorado
 
Myland,
How does saving a spike or a forky save your deer herd? Last I checked, they don't give birth. Letting meat hunters focus on those bucks actually takes the pressure off the big guys. You want big bucks, then you better have a harvest over all age classes.

I myself have killed numerous big bucks over the years, but....I still shoot spikes and forkies too. Heck, I even kill does. Why? Because a freezer full of hormone free, wild raised meat not only suplements my tight income, but is damn tastey and way more healthier than what you can buy in a supermarket.
 
Keep in mind your on monster muleys, a site dedicated to people who hunt for mature bucks, and yes the young bucks do become mature bucks! If they survive! So posting your bambi pics on this site, would be like you posting ugly girls on a hot girl website!
 
LAST EDITED ON May-16-12 AT 03:45AM (MST)[p]>Keep in mind your on monster
>muleys, a site dedicated to
>people who hunt for mature
>bucks, and yes the
>young bucks do become mature
>bucks! If they
>survive!
>So posting your bambi pics
>on this site, would
>be like you posting ugly
>girls on a hot girl
>website!

So shun someone from this site just cause they dont shoot a booner buck every year? Dont we all do this game called hunting for one reason? Its fun. I have shot big bucks... it was fun. I have shot little bucks... hey guess what it was fun!

So who are you to say to not let someone be part of something? I thought we were all sportsman/women? we are supposed to be together as one group. dont ever think some of us are better then others. we are all equal. If you dont agree your no better then the ani-hunters trying to kill this great way of life for so many of us.
 
>Keep in mind your on monster
>muleys, a site dedicated to
>people who hunt for mature
>bucks, and yes the
>young bucks do become mature
>bucks! If they
>survive!
>So posting your bambi pics
>on this site, would
>be like you posting ugly
>girls on a hot girl
>website!


I've got a news flash for you myland, Monster Muleys is not a site dedicated exclusively to trophy mule deer.....never has been and probably never will be. Do we all like seeing a monster muley? You bet. Have some consistently done so? Yes sir they have. However, I've been on this board since 1999 and have never really viewed it as you suggest. I've enjoyed the photos of some truly magnificent bucks......but I've also enjoyed photos capturing a successful hunt someone had with family and friends even though the buck is a small or medium sized deer.

As for the site itself, here's Brian's advertisement on the front page. You may have a better understanding by reading it:

"Whether you're crazy about mule deer, an elk hunting nut, shed antler fanatic, sheep freak, or just love hunting it all, we've got something here for you! Don't miss our Photo Gallery, Hunting Forums, Hunt Draw Odds, highly active Classified Ads, Online Store, and MORE. Visit often and please share your video clips, photos, stories and opinions!"

I guess I failed to see where it says photos of monster muleys only??? I did not, however, fail to read the portion where it says to share your opinion, which you've done and I truly respect. Fortunately, there are over 30 others (replies) who don't exactly share your viewpoint.

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
> and yes the
>young bucks do become mature
>bucks! If they
>survive!

Okay, I can agree with this part which is why our WT are shot based on age, not so much on size. Middle aged deer can get shot, but it's purely a selfish reason of not wanting to foot the bill for their grocery consumption. Those are usually the deer we try to recruit a kiddo to shoot as their first, bc they are generally younger & dumber and allow them more opportunity to get to pull the trigger. In no way should they be told they did something wrong though.
 
>>Keep in mind your on monster
>>muleys, a site dedicated to
>>people who hunt for mature
>>bucks, and yes the
>>young bucks do become mature
>>bucks! If they
>>survive!
>>So posting your bambi pics
>>on this site, would
>>be like you posting ugly
>>girls on a hot girl
>>website!
>
>
>I've got a news flash for
>you myland, Monster Muleys is
>not a site dedicated exclusively
>to trophy mule deer.....never has
>been and probably never will
>be. Do we all
>like seeing a monster muley?
> You bet. Have
>some consistently done so?
>Yes sir they have.
>However, I've been on this
>board since 1999 and have
>never really viewed it as
>you suggest. I've enjoyed
>the photos of some truly
>magnificent bucks......but I've also enjoyed
>photos capturing a successful hunt
>someone had with family and
>friends even though the buck
>is a small or medium
>sized deer.
>
>As for the site itself, here's
>Brian's advertisement on the front
>page. You may have
>a better understanding by reading
>it:
>
>"Whether you're crazy about mule deer,
>an elk hunting nut, shed
>antler fanatic, sheep freak, or
>just love hunting it all,
>we've got something here for
>you! Don't miss our Photo
>Gallery, Hunting Forums, Hunt Draw
>Odds, highly active Classified Ads,
>Online Store, and MORE. Visit
>often and please share your
>video clips, photos, stories and
>opinions!"
>
>I guess I failed to see
>where it says photos of
>monster muleys only??? I
>did not, however, fail to
>read the portion where it
>says to share your opinion,
>which you've done and I
>truly respect. Fortunately, there
>are over 30 others (replies)
>who don't exactly share your
>viewpoint.
>
>BOHNTR )))---------->
Ok bohntr, Ya i get it ,this is an equal opportunity website, And im glad theres only 30 hunters on here who lack the respect of our yearling bucks enough to label them"pisscutters".
 
>This is my daughters first year
>to hunt big game in
>utah and ill be proud
>as hell to see her
>take a forkhorn, but she
>wont take another one next
>year, and even she is
>smart enough to know why.
> If she pays her
>dues and wants it bad
>enough she will kill a
>buck she can be proud
>of,and not just one she
>settled for.

Why is it up to YOU what she kills next year and what she is proud of?? That should be HER choice, not yours.......
 
>>Keep in mind your on monster
>>muleys, a site dedicated to
>>people who hunt for mature
>>bucks, and yes the
>>young bucks do become mature
>>bucks! If they
>>survive!
>>So posting your bambi pics
>>on this site, would
>>be like you posting ugly
>>girls on a hot girl
>>website!
>
>
>I've got a news flash for
>you myland, Monster Muleys is
>not a site dedicated exclusively
>to trophy mule deer.....never has
>been and probably never will
>be. Do we all
>like seeing a monster muley?
> You bet. Have
>some consistently done so?
>Yes sir they have.
>However, I've been on this
>board since 1999 and have
>never really viewed it as
>you suggest. I've enjoyed
>the photos of some truly
>magnificent bucks......but I've also enjoyed
>photos capturing a successful hunt
>someone had with family and
>friends even though the buck
>is a small or medium
>sized deer.
>
>As for the site itself, here's
>Brian's advertisement on the front
>page. You may have
>a better understanding by reading
>it:
>
>"Whether you're crazy about mule deer,
>an elk hunting nut, shed
>antler fanatic, sheep freak, or
>just love hunting it all,
>we've got something here for
>you! Don't miss our Photo
>Gallery, Hunting Forums, Hunt Draw
>Odds, highly active Classified Ads,
>Online Store, and MORE. Visit
>often and please share your
>video clips, photos, stories and
>opinions!"
>
>I guess I failed to see
>where it says photos of
>monster muleys only??? I
>did not, however, fail to
>read the portion where it
>says to share your opinion,
>which you've done and I
>truly respect. Fortunately, there
>are over 30 others (replies)
>who don't exactly share your
>viewpoint.
>
>BOHNTR )))---------->

Make that 31!
 
Okay, I'll play. Shoot whatever makes you happy. If you are happy with your buck, I'm happy. We can not all shoot monsters. I used to like the fact that many hunters would shoot the first buck they would see on opening weekend...and go home. This leaves the rest of the season to hunt without all the crowds. The fact is, we all can not be trophy hunters. This used to not be a problem. Now days more guys are going after the bigger mature bucks and changing the age classes in some of the top mule deer areas. A certain amount of bucks are meant to be taken every year. Why shoot all the old ones? Anyways,(rambling a bit) I like to see all those smiles holding bucks that made these hunters happy...if you do not like them, don't look.

Here is a buck that made my day...

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Every hunting season you miss is one you can not make up
 
Well maybe all you guys should start another website called mini muleys and post pictures of you slaying baby's on there. Enjoy your milk mustached venison.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-16-12 AT 12:59PM (MST)[p]I think some of these guys are compensating for something... all they want are big bucks... cause they really are a "little buck" inside!! ;)
 
>LAST EDITED ON May-16-12
>AT 12:59?PM (MST)

>
>I think some of these guys
>are compensating for something... all
>they want are big bucks...
>cause they really are a
>"little buck" inside!! ;)


yep, they carry around measuring tapes and have scoring contests. Reminds them of Jr. High.
 
If the only pics or stories on this site were to be of 170" or better 4x4's, it would get aweful boring cuz you'd be done looking in about 10 minutes! I like seeing any sized deer portrayed as a trophy if that is what it is to the hunter. I've never shot a 170" buck but I post every buck I've killed since I've been on this site.....bout 10 years or so. I'm not ashamed of anything I shoot. If I was, I wouldn't shoot it. I like venison and so do my kids. If it's the last day of the hunt and I've got a shot at a little forky, he's getting eaten. :) I don't care what state its in.

Myland- maybe only click on the posts that you think may contain larger deer. That should make it easy. You probably won't spend much time on here though.


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Seems we have two dips on here that have some lil ##### syndrome going on. My peckers bigger than your pecker kinda crap.

You will have to exuse me oh high and mighty one.. im just not a big bad hunter like you. Please would you give me some pointers on how to be such a manly man. And to think all those years i took my kid with me deer hunting and shot forkies and small four points to share the experience and watch her face light up.. silly me.

If you have such a problem with people shooting smaller deer, call your fun and games department and demand an antler restriction. Wont happen though. If its legal, who are you to judge.
 
Hey easy friends. I'm headed west this fall as a first time muley hunter and was - up to about 15 minutes ago- looking toward to share a hopeful success story with new friends. Little worried about the feedback if it doesn't quite measure up - I'll be happy to try anyways.

To any women or children who maybe viewing this site, take no offense to the ribbing. Us hunters get along pretty well and all share a common interest and joy for the fair pursuit of wild game as well as our right to bare arms in a free country. Sometimes we all get a little carried away with our differences of oppinion.

Take care and happy hunting!
 
>Okay, I'll play. Shoot whatever makes
>you happy. If you are
>happy with your buck, I'm
>happy. We can not all
>shoot monsters. I used to
>like the fact that many
>hunters would shoot the first
>buck they would see on
>opening weekend...and go home. This
>leaves the rest of the
>season to hunt without all
>the crowds. The fact is,
>we all can not be
>trophy hunters. This used to
>not be a problem. Now
>days more guys are going
>after the bigger mature bucks
>and changing the age classes
>in some of the top
>mule deer areas. A certain
>amount of bucks are meant
>to be taken every year.
>Why shoot all the old
>ones? Anyways,(rambling a bit) I
>like to see all those
>smiles holding bucks that made
>these hunters happy...if you do
>not like them, don't look.
>
>
> Here is a buck
>that made my day...
>
>
6245me_and_english_mtn._forked_horn_taken_2nd_day_1976.jpg

>
>
>
>Every hunting season you miss is
>one you can not make
>up

Big Moose, You look happy as hell, and should be. That pic reminds me of my dad. He would shoot that buck any day, back in the day.
 
I find it rather interesting to see that some hunters actually believe spikes and forkies will grow up to be big bucks some day. NEWS FLASH, that ain't going to happen. A true monster muley will be a basket 4 in his first year of antler growth. The spikes and forkies don't have the genetics to reach monster status. If you are looking at actually managing to grow monsters, then you should be encouraging people to shoot those pisscutters.
 
First off who are you to judge? What someone is proud of do i personly shoot small two and spikes no but more power to those who do. For what ever reason they choose to do so. I have a buddy who is 30 in great shape and had never killed before and likes deer meat he shot a two year old two by three and we took some great pics and he was proud to put his tag on it. Is he wrong to shoot that deer because he is older and shood only trophy hunt and i am a bad guy becasue i was proud of him and got in the pics? Next year if i draw i plan to blast the first buck i see i am taking my daughter and she is 4 and i want her to be hooked if i take pics with me and her am i bad guy for posting them? Do be a judgmental person and maybe in life you will get farther.
 
MyLand-

If the site is called "Monster Muleys" then why have forums for Elk, Bears, coyotes, sheep, and other big game animals? This site is for the hunter to communicate and share advice with each other. It's not a site for pissing matches or who can kill the bigger buck. Too many people forget why they hunt. To each there own and keep posting all pictures. Who cares if it is a Doe, Spike, or whatever. We all like to see and appreciate a good hunting story.

Snky
 
myland....You should change your name to the Mule Deer Nazi.

Another of your classic posts:

"it just me? i didnt think so! were sick of hearing people defend cougars. your on a site dedicated to trophy mule deer! if you want to see a cougar go to the zoo! i gut shoot every dam cougar i see! that goes for coyotes, poachers and wolves too! Here in utah its time to help out our deer herds, if we leave it up to the state, ,it will all be rich mans land, over run with predators. We should all be defending our deer, and our land by killing the predators and tearing down posted signs."

You probably believe you come from a superior race of hunters...
 
I only read a couple posts and can tell where this thread is headed. First of all if it has antlers to the required length its legal, if its something that someone wants to harvest and they have a tag its their decision, if when they get done harvesting the animal and they are happy and it has created a memory thats their memory. If you choose to not harvest an animal because its not up to your standards thats your decision, nobody on this site has any right to take a memory away from anyone. I can't imagine making my child shoot a deer that meets my standards they would have a hard time gettting a deer, I always teach to them that if this is the one you want then thats your decision and we discuss the benefits of taking that deer, which lately there are none but to put some expensive meat on the table.

I swear that half of you here on MONSTER MULEYS thinks that this is a trophy site and we can't show anything thats not HUGE or it offends you, I bet that your wives didn't pick you because of what you score a measley 3 to 5 incher with willow mass, but then again maybe shes content with that, I know mine is:)
 
Let me start by appologizing to anyone who was offended by the title of this post! It wasnt directed to anyone who is proud of thier trophy, or to feed their family.
Some of my most rewarding and memorable hunts were with family and friends where they took thier first small buck" i skull mounted each one for them"
I understand that hunters have the right to take any legal deer they choose, its up to them why "trophy, meat,or just to say i got one!
In utah we are trying to rebuild our deer herds, and yet i still know vetran hunters who hunt for good bucks,and dont need the meat, but cant pass up the young buck on the last day, just to say i got one. Its thier choice and its legal but so are100 yard archery shots, and wounding two before killing and tagging one.
We all have our reasons for why we hunt and what we consider is a trophy, but we should always hunt with respect for the wildlife.
 
"i still know vetran hunters who hunt for good bucks,and dont need the meat"

This isn't directed directly to you, but in general I wonder at the hunters who express considerable concern about the deer herds, buck numbers, etc... Aren't those trophy bucks the ones we need to retain to ensure the earlier breeding of the does?

Every time a big buck is killed, it is one less around to breed the early or first estrus does. A younger buck will have to instead and may lead to later breeding. We know this affects how early or late the fawns are born and, subsequent to that, can affect fawn mortality through the following year. Logic dictates that if you want better fawn retention, decreased mortality, and increased herd growth; STOP killing the mature bucks!

Just food for thought...
 
BCBOY that is not actual a true statement my friends dad has a few penned whitetails and his 4 1/2 year old 198" buck last year was a spike when he was 1 1/2 years old and no he doesn't pump mineral and high protein or calcium supplements to them he feeds them the same thing he feeds the Holstein cows in the barn.
 
I agree with most on here.
Hunt and enjoy yourself outdoors...Shoot whatever size animal makes you happy and do not worry about what others think.
Be proud to be able to get out and experience the hunt whether you fill your tag or not.
Best,
Jerry
 
Spotlit,
A little too much info, but hilarious.

MMWB,
I've had the same thoughts at times. I killed the only mature buck from a group of three once. I can't see how that was the best biological decision for the herd.

Knack,
It is so good to see your name on here again. You replied to a post I had when I first started in 2003. You were the only one that gave any meaningful advice. I still appreciate it.

Wis,
Thanks for sharing. I've always been skeptical.
 
A bucks genetics ARE EXACTLY the same as when he is a yearling spike/fork whatever, as it is when he is a BC 5 1/2 year old.
In other words his sired offspring at the age of 1 1/2 years will have the same genetics as his sired offspring as a trophy class mature buck. You need not worry about young bucks breeding does. :)
 
I don't think the concern about younger bucks breeding is in reference to genetics, but that does tend to breed earlier with mature bucks and estrus a bit later if only younger bucks.

I've shot a lot of small bucks and a few more mature. Shoot what you will, enjoy the hunt, enjoy the meat, post the pictures.
 
You guys are too much.... Love to argue and all are are experts in their own mind... Here's my western Nebraska Muzzleloader buck from a couple years ago... Now tell me how wrong I was.
Zen


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I hope I'm not way off base in saying this because if I am, I should just hang up the boots now and stop hunting because I've been going about it all wrong for too long.

For me hunting is first about the anticipation and preparation of the hunt (the scouting, map reading, fact finding, packing, planning, etc.). Then when it's hunt time, the first and most important thing is having family and friends to share my hunting experience with; whether it be out in the field or around a campfire after a hard days hunt.

IF I am so blessed to have an opportunity to kill something, that is just the icing on top of the cake, so at that point, the size is pretty irrelevant to the "success" of my hunting experience. If our hunting experience ever turns into a "size of animal first" mentality, that's when I will stop because the valuable lessons I can share and teach my children through hunting will have been blown out of the water.

NMelkhuunter
 
Great thoughts NM,

I kind of had a similar conclusion last season. I packed in the night before the opener with two friends. It wasn't the kind of trip you take 3 kids under the age of 10 on. We found some great deer but didn't take any shots. We passed on some medium and small deer as it was too long of a haul for mediocracy.

We came out at a campground along a creek. It was full of brook trout. Its also near some historic sites. I thought, as much fun as I've had, I will no longer do this at the exclusion of my kids. I should have had my family there. We should have hunted low in the morning, shot a small one if we felt like it, and fished the creek in the afternoon. I'm not saying I'm not hunting up high ever again, but I will not spend an entire season without my family. My kids are at an age I shouldn't miss. Big antlers aren't a good trade for the family.
 
>BCBOY that is not actual a
>true statement my friends dad
>has a few penned whitetails
>and his 4 1/2 year
>old 198" buck last year
>was a spike when he
>was 1 1/2 years old
>and no he doesn't pump
>mineral and high protein or
>calcium supplements to them he
>feeds them the same thing
>he feeds the Holstein cows
>in the barn.


You are comparing apples and oranges. For one, mule deer are WAY different than whiteys. And two, wild conditions are WAY WAY different from captive controlled conditions. In WILD mule deer herds, the average buck given the right feed, minerals, water, age ect... will grow into a 170 class buck. Then there are the bucks with the right genetics that actually will grow into monsters. And then there are the freaks with the genetics to grow into absolute GIANTS. I can assure you, those bucks with both monster genetics and giant genetics were not spikes and forks in their first year of growth. And on the flip side, there are bucks with poor genetics that just will never amount to anything bigger than a 150 class buck. Yep, many of those bucks are spikes in their first year.
 
Not sure if I totally agree with this, but maybe I am wrong. Depending on how late a fawn was born as well as any drought or feed issues along with the winter severity could cause a yearling with a lot of potential to be a spike or forky. I am pretty sure this is well documented with respect to droughts.

Maybe on a good feed year you are right and those bucks will only be 170-class in their prime, but on a drought year you could be wrong. I think there is a big difference between spikes and forkies with regards to potential. A spike on a non-drought year will probably never be a monster muley, but I doubt the same can be said for a forky. I would guess that a good portion of Boone and Crockett typicals were fork horns their first year...maybe I am wrong though.

Back to the question at hand, shoot whatever you want that makes you happy as long as you treat that animal with respect and make sure the venison does not go to waste. I am proud of some of the forkies I have shot, especially those that involved an uphill pack out!
 
Ya I dont agree with BC Boy for the simple fact that I watched a spike by two little dink with a half cut off ear, grow into a 180+ buck in his 4th year. Never saw him again but whose to say he wouldn't have been a monster 200+ buck in his 5th-6th year???
So nripepi I agree 100% Just because it is a dink two point does not mean it wont grow into a great buck.
 
Trophy genetics will be evident even in the first year of antler growth. Here's an example. My ol' man killed this dropper NT with my son and I. This is the kind of buck that would have grown into an absolute monster if he had of lived. But my ol' man could care less about antler size and was super happy to harvest this buck with his young grandson along. This buck was gorging on blueberries and was amazing table fare.
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I could pull up countless pics of little sheds where your first question is 'Who Is Your Daddy'? Be it yearling NT's with double droppers or yearling basket 4's. You can sit on the internet and theorize that spikes and forks might grow up into something decent all you want, the fact is, the vast majority of them are never going to amount to anything special when it comes to antler growth. The harvesting of these young tastey bucks will have little to no effect on the trophy quality of your herd. Which is why I think the OP of this thread is totally off base. You want big bucks? You ain't going to get that if everyone and their dog takes up trophy hunting and stops shooting the little guys. In fact, you will end up with the complete opposite. You will put more pressure on the older age classes and you will see your quality drop hard. As I mentioned earlier, proper mule deer management sees harvest from all age classes.
 
You guys crack me up! Hunting is about getting out there and having fun in the outdoors! Shoot whatever makes you happy, you buy the tag, you put in the time, shoot whatever you'd like!

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that a majority on this particular forum are rifle hunters... Rifle hunters toting about all these monster muley's they killed from 2-3-4-5-600 yards away. Boy that must be a challenge. Guys like Roy who can get it done every year, mature bucks, with the bow, those are the guys who are hunting.

Nothing against rifle hunters, but if your on here talking down to someone about their forkhorn and your out there glassing, no stlaking needed, shooting a buck from several hundred yards away, whats the difference. lmao

Take the skirt off and try it with a bow...
 
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>
>This is my favorite buck I
>have ever pulled the trigger
>on and always will be!
>Not my first, but my
>first with my boys there
>and only one I will
>get to share with Kole.
>
>
That's a wonderful picture.
 
This is by far my favorite buck. First time hunting with my then 4 year old. He was still in foster care at the time and the system in California had some paperwork to fill out...but it was well worth it.

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>You guys crack me up!
>Hunting is about getting out
>there and having fun in
>the outdoors! Shoot whatever
>makes you happy, you buy
>the tag, you put in
>the time, shoot whatever you'd
>like!
>
>I am going to go out
>on a limb here and
>say that a majority on
>this particular forum are rifle
>hunters... Rifle hunters toting
>about all these monster muley's
>they killed from 2-3-4-5-600 yards
>away. Boy that must
>be a challenge. Guys
>like Roy who can get
>it done every year, mature
>bucks, with the bow, those
>are the guys who are
>hunting.
>
>Nothing against rifle hunters, but if
>your on here talking down
>to someone about their forkhorn
>and your out there glassing,
>no stlaking needed, shooting a
>buck from several hundred yards
>away, whats the difference.
>lmao
>
>Take the skirt off and try
>it with a bow...

You know, I've read your post several times and I still find it offensive.

"Nothing against rifle hunters" but "Take the skirt off"

Okay, I'll take my skirt off and you can kiss my ass!

Moose




Every hunting season you miss is one you can not make up
 
Glad to hear it. Quit bashing people for shooting what they desire when your out there hunting with a rifle... What is the challenge in that?
 
I hear people say they switch over to archery because they get tired of shooting 2 points every year with a rifle. My thought is, why not try and shoot a 170"+ buck every year with a rifle for more of a challenge. I once heard a guy say that he has more respect for a guy that can kill a buck with a bow than a rifle. In general that is true with me too but I did ask him if he felt the same way about a person who shoots a 2 point every year with his bow compared to a guy who shoots a 180" buck every year with his rifle and the guy still picked the guy who can shoot a 2 point with his bow. I feel differently. Although I've never killed a buck with a bow, I know without a doubt I could kill a yearling buck the next two years in a row if I wanted. I can't say the same about killing a 180" buck with my rifle on a DIY hunt.

There's always next year
 
>Glad to hear it. Quit
>bashing people for shooting what
>they desire when your out
>there hunting with a rifle...
> What is the challenge
>in that?

Why would you ridicule anyone who hunts with a rifle? Perhaps we find doing that enough of a challenge. I would never tell you to pick-up a rifle...why would you tell me to pick-up a bow? Not all of us are suited for bow hunting (I'm not) yet we feel fine taking our animals with a rifle. You think we should all be bow hunters for the greater challenge. Fine, but don't belittle me for using a rifle.

I have the greatest respect for those of us who take their bucks with a bow. These guys are truly good hunters. To each his own.

Moose



Every hunting season you miss is one you can not make up
 
>>Glad to hear it. Quit
>>bashing people for shooting what
>>they desire when your out
>>there hunting with a rifle...
>> What is the challenge
>>in that?
>
>Why would you ridicule anyone who
>hunts with a rifle? Perhaps
>we find doing that enough
>of a challenge. I would
>never tell you to pick-up
>a rifle...why would you tell
>me to pick-up a bow?
>Not all of us are
>suited for bow hunting (I'm
>not) yet we feel fine
>taking our animals with a
>rifle. You think we should
>all be bow hunters for
>the greater challenge. Fine, but
>don't belittle me for using
>a rifle.
>
> I have the greatest
>respect for those of us
>who take their bucks with
>a bow. These guys are
>truly good hunters. To each
>his own.
>
>Moose
>
>
>
>Every hunting season you miss is
>one you can not make
>up


Agreed. You found offense in my post even though I had no intentions of being offensive. I was merely stating that if people want to belittle others for shooting whatever they'd like with the tag they purchase, and most of them are rifle hunters, than what is the difference?
 

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