1100 Yards is Too Close

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"1100 yards is too close, we are actually looking for a longer shot. Anything within 2000 yards we will kill".

I heard that statement on the hill opening morning by some guys that had a 50 cal. on a ridge set up on a fold out table. They were getting ready to shoot across a canyon at a buck 1100 yards away with a pretty good wind. Apparently the guy is a hell of shot so some on MM have said in the past, but I beleive it was a family member or friend that was going to shoot. Regaurdless of who shooting there just seemed to be something wrong with this situation. There was also 20 or so other people in that small canyon under/above/and to the side of the buck a lot closer than them, 2 of which were friends of mine trying to get within a more realistic range of the same buck. These guys also had a youngster or two there to learn this new method of hunting. The buck ended up getting spooked just before getting shot at, but this has had me a little flustered the last few days and I guess I just wanted to vent a little. This just seemed like a lazy way to hunt while screwing the guy sweating his ass off to get close enough for an "old fashioned shot". I guess this is exactly why I bow hunt and stay out of the pumpkin patch.
 
Agreed. My buddy hunted elk for the first time with a bow this year, we had some CLOSE encounters. Had a bull at 18 yards, no shot. He said 10X the experience.
 
To each his own. An 1100 yard shot is very difficult to make. My hat is off to him if he is the "real deal" and not just a wanna be "long ranger". Important thing to remember is that we are all hunters and our real enemy is the anti-hunters out there. It may not be your flavor, but that is why they have different seasons. We must all hang together,or hang separately.

Shoot Straight.
 
Ya I agree to each his own. I guess I am just thinking of how 90% of my excitement in the field comes from getting in close to an animal. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
 
More of that "hang together" b.s. If I had a dollar for every moron that said that in order to justify his actions in the field.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-12 AT 05:00PM (MST)[p]>More of that "hang together" b.s.
>If I had a dollar
>for every moron that said
>that in order to justify
>his actions in the field.
>

There are plenty of places to shoot a 1000+ yards. In the field on a mule deer hunt is not one of them especially given the other hunters, and the situation you described.

As hunter we do need to draw ethical lines at times and in that sense this is not one I can support. Just like I can not support a 100 yard archery shot. There is simply too much tat can go wrong and the further the distance the lower the odds of a true clean kill. I am tired of hearing the whole we must support each other. that is bull. As hunters if we do not standup and decide what is right and wrong, then we will be forced to live by the rules that others decide is right or wrong. In your gut most people do not see long range shooting as anything more than long range shooting. We all know that best of the west probably wounds or misses entirely 2-3 animals for everyone they kill, when this happens I refuse to turn a blind eye...
 
What a joke. My brother ran into some guys in nevada doing the very same thing on a deer hunt. Said they took an antelope at 1200 or somethin. This was a couple years ago. I cant imagine they got much meat off it
 
I shoot a 50 quite a bit and have killed several animals with it. I've been to the World Championship long range 50 shoot in Raton on the 4th of july. Anyone who says 2,000 yards is a FLAT OUT LIAR! Especially from a wobbly portable table.
 
Watched a group of guys with a 50 Cal, a vise, and a steel table shoot at a buck outside the capacity of their Leica 1600 rangefinder. The buck appeared to be over 2000 yards. They were dialing in on the buck and after a few shots they hit next to it. The buck headed out limping. The guys never hiked up to see if it was wounded. The shrapnel appeared to do the damage. Guy that talked to me said they shot one at over 1000 earlier and wanted more of a challenge.

Anyone that thinks I need to band together with imbeciles like those can stick it. I'd rather never hunt again than see hunting turn into that disrespectful bs. Probably the same guys who complain there are no deer left but don't mind wounding the last one.
 
I wish these guys would get interested in horse shooting.....




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I would have slapped some cash on the table and told them to put their money where their mouth was. Better yet, my rifle for yours if you make that shot. No way in hell they make a 2000 yard shot in the wind!

Rut
 
Wish I had the video to post of a kid shooting a watermelon off another guys head with a 50 cal. Hate to think what a 50 would do to a deer if you could hit it at 2000 yards. Gun like that has no place in the field if you ask me. It should be about a quick clean kill not turning the thing into a bag of mush, hacking the head off and going home. Yeah we all need to stick together but sticking together means all of us making a stand against guys who go to the extreme and give anti's more amo against us. Just plain foolishness. Isn't it called hunting for a reason?
 
I agree with 2_point. Like I said, if he can really make that kind of shot, he's really good. Things get dicey for me at matches at 600 yards. My longest shot on game to date is 423 yards. One shot one kill. In my opinion hunter ethics has no place in scientific game management. For the deer it is a zero sum game. He's alive, or he isn't. The buck doesn't care that he was killed "fair chase". All he knows is that he is dead. Hunter ethics are a figment of hunter's imagination, and leads to silly game laws. For example, the 2-shot magazine rule for duck hunting was not enacted to protect the game, but because the doublegun crowd thought that the pump and auto crowd had an "unfair" advantage. Or Colorado and Utah's restrictive muzzleload regulations that cause people to use inferior equipment and wound game every year that otherwise would be stone dead if they were allowed to use a scope. Arguing about what is "fair" is like arguing over which flavor of ice cream is best, in other words, pointless. Game should be harvested the cleanest, most efficient way and the Game Managers should limit the quota to protect the herd health and quit giving into the emotions of hunters. To each is own. If you don't believe in long range shooting, don't do it. If you love close in hunting, go for it.

Shoot Straight
 
I like to do my rifle HUNTING inside 300 yards, in fact, I like to do my HUNTING with my bow inside 40 yards. If I have my smoke pole I HUNT to within 120 yards. I also like to SHOOT all my guns and bows at ranges well beyond ETHICAL HUNTING distances at TARGETS, its a ton of fun.I have made my own ETHICS that is what we each need to do. I have hunted for over 30 years now and can only say, We all need to do what is right not only to ourselves but also to the sport and the game we HUNT. I am not trying to start a fight with this thread , but just ask yourself, How are people taking shots at game like those mentioned in the 1100 yard post doing the sport any good . Myself I don't see anything good about combining TARGET SHOOTING and HUNTING.Ask yourself what do YOUR ETHICS allow you to do.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-12 AT 08:44AM (MST)[p]If the carrying capacity of the land is 100 deer and there are 130 deer on the land, then 30 have to go. Wyoming has more antelope than people. One reason they have that many antelope is that they follow this rule and have a limited quota season. Years ago I was at a RAC meeting on whether to allow inline muzzleloaders,or not. One holdout on the game board would allow them if the other members gave into his demand that the "difficulty" in loading a muzzleloader be retained. This is why we have the no bonded load rule. In reality, it isn't very much faster that a speed loader. Now we have a silly law based on what one person thought was "sporting". Solid game management, not emotion is the way to go.
 
HUH? What do bonded loads have to do with long range shooting. Or are you one of the guys that think muzzle loaders of this era are made to kill Deer at 500 yards????/Its all about ETHICS we each need to make our own. Abide by all the Laws and then make your own unwritten laws and apply them in a way that benefits the sport
 
I agree with SageCountry,

If everyone's goal was to take the animal in the most effective and efficient means possible with a good quick clean kill then everyone would limit themselves to their true abilities.

Problem is many don't even truly know their own abilities and they tend to find out in the field and not on the range.

I like to try and get as close as possible as that is a huge part of the thrill of the hunt for me. Others may like the challenge of a longer shot. To each their own, as long as we are being honest withourselves about our abilities to accomplish the ultimate goal.

Taking a 1000-2000 yard shot at a live animal, in the wind (especially the wind on Saturday), is just irresponsible and beyond the abilities of most. I don't think you would find too many "true experts" at long range shooting that would say otherwise.



"The problem with quotes on Internet Forums is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
 
Stonefly, Thanks for letting me clarify. I"m not advocating long range muzzleloader shots. The point was to emphasize that ruling by ethics leads to bad game laws and that using science leads to good game laws. The muzzleloader thing was just an example of a RAC Committee Leader making a bad decision based on ethics and personal preference.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-12 AT 10:00AM (MST)[p]I am afraid that if I worked my but off to get with in reasonable range of a buck and some jerk started shooting in my vicinity from 1000 plus yards, I am pretty sure I would send a few shots back in their direction to let them know how it feels.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-12 AT 10:33AM (MST)[p]Thank goodness for the bow and arrow... I do not see the pleasure or excitement in rifle hunting, even from reasonable distances and certainly not from the distance described above... Go to a shooting range, at least there you are not putting others in danger and there is no chance of wounding an animal...

That's my opinion, it ain't worth much, but in this economy what is...?
 
This is a very slippery slope. Do I condone someone shooting at game at 1100yds? NO, absolutly not. Do I think that there should be a law against it? No. Do I think that there could be some law to discourage this type of activity like a maximum caliber such as 35cal same as a min caliber of no ballistic compensating scopes same as no magnification scopes for muzzleloaders? YES. I think these people that are out shooting these long distances ( this includes 100yd shots with archery ) at a living animal have lost the spirit of the hunt. It is more important to inflate themselves up with boasting of insane long shots or getting a deer every year. Because lets be honest, It doesn't take a whole lot of hunting ability to get within 1000yds of a deer or elk.
 
well the ballistic compensating scope is a double edged sword, i recently took a deer at 300 yards and i used my 300 yard dot, would you rather i wounded the animal because i didnt have a bdc reticle, everything has to be used in a practical manner, i think the limit on calibers should be .375 unless hunting dangerous game. brown bear ect
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-12 AT 01:16PM (MST)[p]retarded..I guess if you take a dink at long range now days it turns it into a real trophy?? Guys like that need a kick in the frikkin balls.

Here is a thought for these guys doing it..If you need more of a "challenge" got off your lazy ******** asses and try to find something more than a 3 year old deer to snipe at across the canyon.
 
Wow. Lets go after someone's ability to get the job done. If he can do it let him. Don't rip on someone with a legal 50 cal because you hunt with a bow a muzzleloader or a rifle. Remember that someone that shoots 1100 yards has to go retrieve the animal so watch who you call a lazy aaa. I would bet that guy could outshoot you with any of the weapons you own. I happen to know who he is and can attest of his abilities in competition shooting. Quit crying because your barrel has to touch the animal to make the shot.
 
Ballistic, I fully understood your side of the issue until you said, "Quit crying because your barrel has to touch the animal to make the shot."

If you can't understand why so many are concerned with guys going out and setting up tables to shoot deer over 1000 yards across canyons, i'm wasting my words! Attacking the masses of hunters here and out there that don't agree with this type of "hunting" will get you nowhere!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
So are we HUNTING? Is that our sport? Or are we SHOOTING?
In my mind we are now pursuing two different sports at the same time. Sure, both have the right, but the two passions are becoming more and more at odds with one another.

From the perspective of an "old guy", technology has made us much more efficient predators.(Scopes, range finders, trail cams, 4 wheelers, spotting scopes, long range rigs---none of which were used when I first started hunting) Eventually it will lead to less and less opportunities for us to pursue game, in whatever fashion.
Ultimately, I predict, being too efficient will lead to the end of HUNTING, as we know it. IMHO
 
>Wow. Lets go after someone's ability
>to get the job done.
>If he can do it
>let him. Don't rip on
>someone with a legal 50
>cal because you hunt with
>a bow a muzzleloader or
>a rifle. Remember that someone
>that shoots 1100 yards has
>to go retrieve the animal
>so watch who you call
>a lazy aaa. I would
>bet that guy could outshoot
>you with any of the
>weapons you own. I happen
>to know who he is
>and can attest of his
>abilities in competition shooting. Quit
>crying because your barrel has
>to touch the animal to
>make the shot.

Are you the founder of his fan club? Get a room and leave the real hunting to those of us who can, you can stick to metal plates.

Rut
 
Shooting at that distance with any sort of rifle definitely isnt my cup of tea but to each his own i guess. I personaly would be a little bothered by that incident but thats just my opinion. At that distance you just dont know where other hunters are. Like i said not my cup of tea but to each his own.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-12 AT 09:49PM (MST)[p]Hey there ballisticrit, (if thats your real name, seeing as its your first post.
Most comments on this thread are not commenting on his ( or your) ability to make the shot. We are talking about the ETHIC's involved in long range shooting at live animals VS HUNTING. As for your comment about out shooting us , come to my place and look at the goodies I'v won with my muzzy in gong shoots and running bear shoots. And as I stated before when HUNTING I limit my shots to 120 yards on live animals.Now mr. ballistics how well do you know your trig tables anyway. Give my an accurate flight time at 1100 yards (no wind) 500 grain slug velocity at 3080 fps. (had to come back an edit forgot 50 cal. bal/coef .497 ) Now that you did your math, tell me HOW FAR CAN A MULE DEER MOVE,ON A WHIM between the time you squeeze the trigger and bullet impact?
 
I have been silent watching these long range posts,, but I have been long range shooting since before it was popular (1999). The difference between me and the wannabes of late is that I understand that bullets are not designed to perform over such great differences in velocity. While it may be true that you can hit a target at extreme distance, IT IS unethical to shoot beyond a bullets terminal velocity. That is to say that most hunting bullets are not designed to expand below 1800 fps. If you shoot at an animal below this velocity you might as well shoot a field tip from a bow. I am all for competent marksmen shooting to their capeabilities, but even the fastest rifles with the highest ballistic coefficients are not suitable for big game beyond 1,000 yards.
 
I shot my wad once about 3 feet-----on a pull out gig....

I certainly didn't have any steady rest action at that time....

Robb
 
+1 BuckJunkie. I agree. It is not about whether a person ethically believe they can hit the target at any range but whether they know there equipment enough to make an educated decision. I can shoot straighter and more confidently at 80 yards with my bow if I keep my field tips on but just because I am confident I can hit a stationary target at that range and setup doesn't give me the right to do so. No one on this post is really questioning the shooters ability to make the shot cause maybe he can but we all seem to question whether it is right. I vote a second time that it is not right. If you want to throw lead at live targets over that kind of distance go lob some distance shots at coyotes. Then I don't think any of us would cry about a poor shot missing the mark and merely wounding an animal.
 
The problem with this thread is people trying to tell each other what to do. Again ethics is a personal thing. Some hunters are accomplished marksmen, other are not. Until you see someone shoot, it is difficult to judge. For years I was turned off to bow hunting because bow hunters would always begin a conversation like this, "I bow hunt because I'm sooo good that hunting just became too easy, so I had to do something to make it fair". Let's forget the self-righteous, patting on the back, I'm more ethical than you rhetoric, let people shine if they have talent, and go out and kill bucks:)
Shoot Straight
 
How bout this. I bow hunt because I am such a poor hunter I need the extra time and lower hunter numbers to give me a chance. I agree with the guys who have data to back there comments that shooting at the range stated doesn't allow the equipment to perform properly. That aside Sage I agree if a person knows their equipment and is confident in their ability who are we to judge them. Even a expertly placed field tip could technically drop a buck in its tracks. I mean indians hunted with hand made bows and arrows with rocks tied to the ends. They were some expert hunters in my books. All I am saying is there are limits. My position is for each hunter to put in enough time to know their stuff and put their best forward. Although I did have to laugh at the guy buying a rifle at walmart friday night before opening morning.
 
Me and another hunter shot 2 cow elk on Deseret Land and Livestock a couple of years ago, it was a one shot, one kill for both of us. I didn't think much of it, but the guide was way impressed. I asked him how many shots people usually needed. He replied , "The record is 57." In my experience, most hunters don't have top notch equipment and have never been formally trained in marksmanship. this double whammy makes long shots impossible for them. But if you get an individual like G. David Tubb, Camp perry champion several times over, long range is a walk in the park.
 
Ballistic,

You're wrong. The guy who did the shooting (I couldn't care less who he is.), can't shoot better than I....his weapon or mine.

That being a fact, he's a lousy hunter....assuming the story is true....hunting is FAR different from shooting.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
Just did the math. If the hunter is shooting the 750 grain Hornady A-max at 2728 fps muzzle velocity (factory load), at 1100 yards his bullet would have 1867fps and 5807 foot pounds of energy. assuming 1800fps minimum for expansion, he is within the performance envelope of his cartridge. and 5807 foot pounds of energy? That's .375 H & H territory. I agree with ballistic that for smaller calibers it would be marginal. My bullets start wimping out at 700 yards.
 
My feelings on long range shooting of this nature are as follows: If you crack off a shot at that distance it will not be entirely evident that you hit the animal unless it drops in its tracks. As such, it becomes necessary to hike over to the animal's location to verify a hit, or a miss. So, if you are going to have to hike over to it anyway, why not hike closer for the shot..? And you can't say its impossible to get closer, because if you drop the animal, you'd have to get pretty close to it to retrieve it I think...

In the end, everyone has their own sense of where the "sport" in hunting ends... With my rifle (Rem 7mm Mag), that's about 400 yards (Never killed anything further than 250). If I shot more, maybe I could extend that a little, but its plenty far for me I think.

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Here is what makes me mad, people try to tell other people how unethical they are and then go and do something just about as stupid. With that said there are really two sides to this argument. The fact of the matter is bullets take time to fly. Assuming the person behind the gun is an expert marksman, he still can't control what the animal will do from the second the bullet leaves the gun until it gets to the target. So a wounded animal can be the outcome of a perfectly executed shot. But what makes it different from a person or persons shooting from reasonable distances who shoot over, under, around, and occasionally wounding without dropping the animal before finally making the kill or possibly never to make the kill? I feel that as a hunter it is my job to do everything in my power to make a clean kill shot every time. Sometimes things beyond our control happen, but if I can't ensure I have done everything in my power, I shouldn't take the shot! It just isn't fair to the animal. That is how I feel whether the animal is a ways out there or whether I just jumped him at 10 yards.
 
Whatever happened to common courtesy?If there were other hunters making a stalk on the buck,wouldn't common courtesy come into play here?In today's society,people only think of themselves.It drives me freakin' crazy!
If it's obvious that someone else has spotted the prey and is moving in for the shot,why would you shoot that critter out from under them because you can shoot farther?It's bad enough ethically to the animal,let alone to the other hunters!
I agree with LittleBigHorn's comments.All the anti-hunters in the world will never abolish hunting.We're doing the job for them.
 
Agreed. I have seen many hunters shoot across the canyon with the animals just standing there until one finally runs off. Then no effort is taken to see if there's a blood trail. Those are usually the same guys that criticize long range hunters. They don't have rangefinders or weapons that are set up correctly. And they probably bought or borrowed someone's rifle the day before the opener. Very few hunters are set up the way the gent with the 50 cal is. That gun has been rigorously field tested in all weather and ammo temps. It shoots half moa regularly. A shot @ 1700 yards is routine with documented shots with hits out to 2700 yards. I hate to see someone cut down a person with those abilities. He also competes in tournaments like spirit ridge and places very highly.
 
I agree with nontypical that there should be more common courtesy. One thing that burns me up, hunters that camp smack dab in the middle of prime hunting territory. But getting back to this thread, I read the original post, and nothing was said about this guy fireing his rifle, apparently he had his reasons, and who knows if that deer was spooked by others. Also, smoktem must have had a radio talking to his buds in the canyon telling them where the deer were. Using radios, is this ethical or not? It seems that there is alot of selective reasoning going on around here. Shooting a 50 cal seems a bit much, but I wonder what the model 94 guys with there 30-30s said about the new scoped rifles back in the 50's. Long rang scopes, radios, range finders, spotting scopes, spotters, super accurate rifles, ballistic programs, are the norm now. Ethical or non ethical? Pick your poison, then ##### about the others.
 
>Good post. There's a lot of
>whiners out there. And a
>shot wasn't even fired.


The shot wasn't fired because the deer ran off in the 5 minutes of trying to find him in the scope. Question for you though. Was there 2 pro shooters in the bunch? Because the one I have read about was tagged out with a limited entry buck, and standing there watching, checking wind, etc. It sounded to me like it was his gun with someone else shooting it? It also looked to me like the shooter was being shown how to put the bean bags under the stalk to help steady the gun? I could be wrong. Requardless my point wasn't about how good of shot the shooter was, but more the distance. Furthermore the comment of how that buck was actually a little too close, and they were really looking to find something further.

"I would bet that guy could outshoot you with any of the weapons you own."

I would like to challage the pro to a shoot off with my blow dart gun, I can knock the pecker off a Robin at 15'!
 
>I agree with nontypical that there
>should be more common courtesy.
> One thing that burns
>me up, hunters that camp
>smack dab in the middle
>of prime hunting territory.
>But getting back to this
>thread, I read the original
>post, and nothing was said
>about this guy fireing his
>rifle, apparently he had his
>reasons, and who knows if
>that deer was spooked by
>others. Also, smoktem must have
>had a radio talking to
>his buds in the canyon
>telling them where the deer
>were. Using radios, is this
>ethical or not? It

Well Said!
>seems that there is alot
>of selective reasoning going on
>around here. Shooting a
>50 cal seems a bit
>much, but I wonder what
>the model 94 guys with
>there 30-30s said about the
>new scoped rifles back in
>the 50's. Long rang
>scopes, radios, range finders, spotting
>scopes, spotters, super accurate rifles,
>ballistic programs, are the norm
>now. Ethical or non
>ethical? Pick your poison,
>then ##### about the others.
>
 
Hey ballistic, sounds like your in tune with the long range stuff. where would you draw the line on caliber vs. distance. Good come back smoktem on the blow dart.
 
Smoktem ??? Robins have peckers??? Wow your optics are better than mine. And BTW what is your effective range with said Blowgun? I dont have a blowgun but I'v shot my wife in the azz with a spitwad from clear across the living room.
 
That depends on the bullet for caliber. The match bullets from Berger and Sierra will continue to expand below Mach-1100fps. The 6.5,7mm, .308,and 338 all have specialty high bc bullets available. The match bullets offer much better performance at very long ranges than standard hunting bullets-not at the shorter ranges. If the combo can produce 1500 lbs energy for elk and 1000 lbs for deer that's about the max for the given combo. Some folks believe you can go lower. My experience is the heavier the bullet the better. I like 240 gr match bullets in my 300 win. A 338 lapua is better and the largest caliber I would ever use. If you look at energy at 8000 ft elevation it's possible to take game at over 1 mile with the right setup. But only with perfect ammo and equipment with an experienced team. And then you still can't guarantee a 1st round hit. Hope this helps. It's a very controversial subject that gets a lot of folks fired up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-25-12 AT 09:58PM (MST)[p]Being able to hit a target at extreme long range is impressive for sure. With everything that goes into making a shot at long range with all of the variables no doubt takes many hours of practice and knowledge. That being said......IMO turning animals into targets is unethical as hell !!!! Sure.....thats cool that you can hit a milk jug 9 out of 10 times at 1100 yards, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD HUNTER !!!!! That means you are a good shot and THAT IS ALL !!!!!!
If the only wind you are worried about is the wind that makes your bullet drift 30" instead of the wind that you might feel on the back of your neck to spoil a hard earned stalk is pathetic.......
 
The argument over long distance hunting and ethics will continue. The long distance guys will argue their points and the spot and stalk hunters will do the same. The real question is who will finish what they started? Who will wait that golden hour after a shot, track a wounded animal and help a fellow hunter do the same? It happens and anyone that has hunted for many years would be a liar to not admit it. It happens to bow hunters and great rifle shooters at ALL distances. How many hunters are willing to track for 5 miles or all night with a flashlight ? A true hunter should be more concerned about finishing the job than what someone else is doing. 99% of the hunters I cross paths with are pretty genuine. Lets not destroy one of the few freedoms we have left. Hunting isn't a right-it's a privilege.
 
Anyone support the "ethics" of not checking for blood after shooting? Not every wounded deer drops dead right there. Is it okay to pack up and walk away rather than go check for blood 1000 yards away? I do not know anyone who does not check for blood after a shot but then maybe we do it different than other places.
 
Crazy chit, if some a-hole starts shooting at a animal from 1100 yards that I am in the process of stalking, then I would quit hunting and become a anti-hunting advocate for sure. Crazy chit people taking 700, 800, 100 plus yard shots, this is in NO way hunting, not what so ever.Its dangerous as hell and just plain lazy on the shooter because they are to sorry to get out of their truck and actually hunt the animal. Threads like this make me want to quit hunting...................1,100 yards are you f'n kidding me.................

WP

"My only regret in life is setting my goals too low"
 
I know the maximum legal weight for a hunting rifle in Idaho is 16 pounds. I'm not sure how other states are but I dont know of a 50 that is less than 16. It may be a little painful to shoot. Regulations should be checked before hunting with this rifle to begin with.
 
>Whatever happened to common courtesy?If there
>were other hunters making a
>stalk on the buck,wouldn't common
>courtesy come into play here?In
>today's society,people only think of
>themselves.It drives me freakin' crazy!
>
>If it's obvious that someone else
>has spotted the prey and
>is moving in for the
>shot,why would you shoot that
>critter out from under them
>because you can shoot farther?It's
>bad enough ethically to the
>animal,let alone to the other
>hunters!
>I agree with LittleBigHorn's comments.All the
>anti-hunters in the world will
>never abolish hunting.We're doing the
>job for them.


i know this isnt exactly on the same subject, but its basicly the same concept.last years new mexico governors tag bull elk was shot from almost 500 yards when 2 guys bow hunting were within 80 yards of the bull. to say the least the 2 guys were pretty upset.

shooting at an animal from 1100 yards, when you obviously have other hunters trying to get closer is just wrong.
 
NMHUNTER, Do you know who was on the stalk first? Is it possible that the archery hunters mistakenly walked in on a shot in progress? I don't see a preference to either hunters claim to the animal, other than who was there first. But, the rifle hunter should not have shot if he had known others would have been in harms way. Did he know that they were there? Always two sides to a story. My hunting rifle drops 24" at 500 yds, a total doable shot, as long as the wind is right. I don't think that the yardage is an issue here. It is only unethical to take that shot if you have never practiced it, and you don't have the equiptment to pull the shot off. The main problem here is a governers tag shooting during a primitive hunt. All probably wearing camo i'm sure. I shoot long, but I will never shoot in a situation where I can't kill the animal cleanly with one shot.
 
>I shot my wad once about
>3 feet-----on a pull out
>gig....
>
>I certainly didn't have any steady
>rest action at that time....
>
>
>Robb


and just like Ralphie, you shot your eye out;)
 
50 cal completely legal in Utah. No weight limit. Utah requires an expanding bullet. I agree with bowlistic, when you write to this thread to complain about what is unethical hunting, why don't you list that Budweiser your packing, or the radios that you use to communicate with your spotter, or that 4 wheeler that you bushwhack with, or that rangefinder-spotting scope that your so fond of. Oh, and how about those sights on your compound bow. Oh and how about that release you sport. Bowlistic said it right, what kind of reasoning do you use to formulate your own hunting ethics. I personally use every one of the above and so do you. Ya, Selective Reasoning.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-12 AT 09:20AM (MST)[p]There are so many "wrongs" on this thread, it's hard to count them.

The worst of which, is a bunch of people telling other people what they should or should not do......and the improper application of common sense.

"Ethics Police".........What a bunch of reproductive organs!

There are only the rules set down on paper and all the others are purely judgmental opinions. Until the written rules are violated, you need to STFU !

If you will admit, up front, that you are expressing "YOUR OPINION ONLY", simply for the sake of the discussion, then I got no problem.

Otherwise, it comes off in the same vein as crucifying Jesus because he had a different point of view.

Example; In my opinion, "Duck Dynasty" is the funniest, most entertaining, worthwhile show on television.
Now see, I did not challenge anyone elses' opinion of the show, nor did I insist that I was the most intelligent person on this site, so you HAVE to respect my opinion.
 
"Are you the founder of his fan club? Get a room and leave the real hunting to those of us who can, you can stick to metal plates."
Those are big words for someone that has no idea what my abilities are. Maybe the hunt regulations should be changed to meet your abilities...... Waa Waa. I would like to hear your definition of real hunting though. You probably shoot a whole box of ammo on the opener.
 
i cant agree more nickman, duck dynasty is hands down the best show on tv, followed up by sons of anarchy. IMO of course, and also, IMO a .50 cal should not be used for hunting, whats next a 20mm vulcan? i mean come on seriously.
 
You have a valid argument on flight time. An animal can move on a whim at close distances too. I shot a decent 4 point with my muzzleloader at 110 yards. It was a perfect broadside shot when I fired. But in the half second it took the 325 grain bullet to get there the animal turned toward me. Add another .25 second for ignition and the total time for the shot is about 3/4 of a second. Luckily the bullet struck it in the chest and it dropped. A shot at 1000 yards takes about 1 second to arrive with a high power rifle combo. Pretty close to what your shots with a muzzleloader will do at 150 yards. I have also shot tournaments with several muzzleloaders. Your opinion of bullet flight time is a contradiction that has just been proven. Don't unload on long distance shooters that have a different opinion than you do. If the shooter has the ability with any weapon let that shooter make the call.
 
Ballistic,

Since you keep dragging this to the top, I am still curious to know if the guy that was going to pull the trigger was shotting his gun or someone else's?
 
Ballistic,

Since you keep dragging this to the top, I am still curious to know if the guy that was going to pull the trigger was shotting his gun or someone else's? My REPLY:
There were actually 2 shooters with tags. Both have shot competitively and both shoot the 50 cal very well. There were also 2 guns set up for the shot-1 on the bench and another on the ground about 20 feet away. The gun on the ground was dialed and ready ( on the deer ) chambered in 300 ultra mag. This gun had been on the deer for about 5 minutes before the 50 cal was brought out. A discussion began about the wind that was building and whether or not to take the shot. The shooter on the 50 cal was having a hard time finding the deer in the oak brush when he was being helped to make sure he was building the shot correctly. I guess that's when you showed up. There was also a camcorder and 2 spotting scopes set up on the animal. I watched the footage and can tell you that neither shooter wanted to take the deer- it wasn't very big. But both had fun setting up for the shot. I can understand your frustration with the situation you encountered. I believe that 90% or more of long range shooters/ hunters have no business taking shots at live animals. In this instance this group of experts did- but chose not to. They hand load and wear out barrels taking binders full of notes with them. That's why my remarks have been passionate towards others that don't understand the hours and years it takes to shoot like they do. When you compete against military sniper teams and win that takes some serious skill. In closing I respect your opinion. I also enjoyed your comments about the blow gun. Lol.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-04-12 AT 04:18PM (MST)[p].50 cal = slob hunters,Im way more impressed with the guy that gets to within a couple hundred yards and makes a good shot than some lazy SOB that has to use a cannon to shoot across a canyon/ridge.There are slobs like them around here with .50 cals,they never kill anything,just drive around all day looking for a long shot.
 

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