I HAVE A PLAN FOR UTAH DEER 200 INCH HAVEN

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elkhunter57

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Ok i have a plan for Utah mule >>>> What if we had rifle hunt units only, and what if we had primitive units only, units that have hard to kill at 1101 yds we do rifle, other units that are open and easy to see we hunt them with bow and muzzle, the bean counters will love it they can sell lots of tags, we love it because we will have a chance to see and hunt very big deer in utah open your mind on this one mabe salina utah
 
AND FOR YOU RIFLE HUNTERS THAT SHOOT WITH THE LATEST I AM NOT SAYING YOU CANT DO YOU THING, YOUR UNITS WILL BE THERE SCOUT ONE AND NO ONE WILL HUNT IN FRONT OF YOU. IT PUTS IRON SITE BACK ON THE MOUNTAIN KINDA LIKE THE 60S WHEN A BIG BUCK WAS THE NORM BEFORE MONEY AND GADGITS GOT ENVOLVED. THE TRUTH IS WE HAVE TRAIL CAMS, SCOPES, RADIO HUNTING, OUR DEER DOESNT HAVE A CHANCE
 
AND A FINAL THOUGHT WHAT IF WE ROTATE THE UNITS, AT A GIVIN TIME OK COME TRASH MY THOUGHT, DIRECTORS OR FIRST TIME HUNTER IMREADY M CRNAE SALINA UTAH
 
When is dogbiter gonna get the boot...permanently. I've yet to see a constructive thing he has to say. Dude your language leaves a lot to be desired. Grow up and move on. dogbiter, when you post crap like that, all you do is bring this place down. Enough already.
 
Go back and look at my congrat posts for people SneakaTard, quit your whining.
 
Dogbiter
Lets apply next year for unit 15 next year first season, you can see for yourself how my plan will work for utah deer, unit 15 is an elk hunt on a unit that completely shot out in the late 70s
 
Shot out late in the 70's... So you basically are proposing a 30+ year plan..?? LOL

I'm just playin with ya... As far as your plan, it would be nice to have some "rifle only" units. They would probably be chalked up as Premium General Season Tags, and would cost more, and after several years you would have to have several preference points to draw them as opposed to OTC. Hmmm... That sounds familiar somehow... Waiting several years to get a more desirable tag, in a more desirable unit..??

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Utah management is the worst in all of the states out there catering to a very small minority. So why not try it if you know the right people they'll probably push it through and try it out for you for at least 2 years. No science, but if a dollar could be made. This state never keeps a management plan for more than 5 years. From life time licenses, preference points, bonus points, auction tags, governor tags, 3 point units, spike only hunts in all trophy units, CWMU's, limited entry, conservation tags, expo tags, General units, general spike units, landowner tags, small colorado-like management units, etc. you name it they have tried it all for a short time, taking most peoples money in the wake, where I come from we call it BAIT and SWITCH. So why not throw another ingenious idea, give it a whirl for a couple of years.
 
We started hunting unit 15 in about 1988 and we were seeing 400 type bulls, our scouting early went from bulls we would shoot, to bulls we thought would make the book, to bulls we thought would go over 400 inch net, it is a very open unit and it was truely a kick to hunt that area, if you want look at the p and y book for catron county new mexico, so really it is not my idea, but i do remember
what a great time we had, please give it a thought. we have open country in utah and man could we ever have some big deer, we could have two or three season openers and the state could sell enough tags to meet there greed level, if thats possible. HOW ABOUT A EARLY SEPTEMBER HUNT, AND A MID NOVEMBER HUNT. With enough deer and guts to stay with a plan more than two years it may work, how about a couple pilot units to test the plan, and maybe transplant blood right with big gene does to other unit, instead of killing them
 
If anyone is interested i have emailed all the people on the big game board, about this plan, i am not stupid, but sometimes ya got to have a college degree in wildlife to have any commication with them, common sence doesnt work sometimes.
 
my brother and i were talking about Utah management or the lack there of while out at the Book Cliffs hunting all week.
We were thinking that they should shut down a few of the new smaller units. Letting the deer come back for a few years and then start letting the " Appropriate" amount of tags out. Once established move to some different units. Then i think that we could do elkhunter57 plan. i love the idea but we have to have the deer numbers first.
By the way>>> Bookcliffs need to be shut down to regular hunting and have a management hunt. I wouldnt waste a single point on that unit.we didnt see a buck over 140 or 23" in six days.
 
scornaby and nfh good job guys keep thinking we can get things changed the director changed to 30 units he is not stupid , promise we need as many people as possible to help,push as many people to this web post as you can, and to the ones reading please help, our deer need it and your kids need it too give it a thought.
 
WE ARE TOO SMART FOR OUR DEER, WE HAVE BURNED EVERY HIDING PLACE FOR AN OLD OR YOUNG BUCK, LORD NOWS I LOVE ELK, AND FOUGHT THE IDEA ELK AND DEER CANT LIVE THE SAME TURF, RYAN ITS YOUR WORDS THAT HAS STUCK IN MY MIND, PLEASE HELP ME. WE CAN HAVE BOTH ITS GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT LEVEL, AND ZUMBO IF YOU READ ANY POSTS ON MONSTER MULEYS CHIP IN. RUSTY HALL ARE YOU OUT THERE? EVERYONE CHIP IN WITH A POSITIVE, IF IM WRONG I HAVE THICK SKIN TRASH ME IF YA NEED TO THERE IS ALLOT OF PASSION IN ON THE PLAN
 
AND YOU PEOPLE WITH GRANDSONS AND GRAND DAUGHTERS,SONS AND DAUGHTERS, WHEN YOU WONDER WHERE THERE FUTURES ARE IN THE HUNTING WORLD RICH OR POUR, PLEASE HELP ME. THINK OF OPENING MORNING AND HOW SMALL OR HOW BIG YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. ITS A PASS IT ON THING MY QUOTE 1977
 
AND ONE FINAL QUOTE, I GIVE YOU MY WORD ITS NOT AN OUTFITTER THING; I RETIRED, EVERYTHING I THINK ABOUT IS THE YOUNG AND THERE KIDS, KEEPING US ALIVE IN THE WORLD OF HUNTING. TO THE ONES THAT DONT HUNT AND HATE US, BRING IT ON
 
The only way management of utah's deer and elk will improve is if we get people in high ranking positions with the dnr that have the same vision we do, where the quality of our deer and elk become more important than the whoredom of revenue brought on by piss poor management. almost every unit in utah has the potential of producing world class mule deer and elk. the genetics are here. manage it as such! as far as the statement of "hunting is becoming a rich mans sport". im sorry you are mistaken. high fenced elk ranches and "choose your animal from a catalogue of photos from our ranch raised animals" those are a rich mans hunts. ive seen more guys that are piss poor draw out and fork up the dough willingly for limited entry hunts with pride. hoping for that once in a lifetime deer. truth be told. turn the majority of utah into limited entry hunts and you would see the true meaning of world class deer.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
This plan will make money and mule deer, its not my first thought as to how to fix things, making money is the very first thought the dnr has, the dnrs approach is called ( making biological dessions for financial reasons), that will never work for wildlife. This plan makes money and very big mule deer. we have tried everything else rather than do the right thing and that would be close units down, but that would cost money, there actions speak louder than there words. ONCE AGAIN THIS PLAN MAKES MONEY, AND MULE DEER
 
I like the idea and I would love to see it put into place, this may not be the place for it elkhunter. It's not very often somebody with some actual merit comes on this site and talks something that makes sense. Hence the pass the bottle j$$k, my suggestion would be take it to the rack and plead your case. I like the passion and thoughts you have put out there and agree something needs to be done. I would hope more guys will read this and at least think about getting involved in persuading the state to open their eyes to something outside the box and not decimating the deer herd.
 
I love the idea of primitive only units. These units could handle loads of hunters with minimal bucks killed. Its not rocket science. I could only imagine the size of bucks that would be running around!
I have had a thought on other ways to raise revenue in Utah. I think having a draw for 5-6 general deer tags that are good for the entire hunting year state wide, but are only good on general units. Charge 10-20 dollars to apply. Utah has a half dozen bucks that it could give to the cause I think?
 
ok dont let the thread die lets all come together sort things out and email the boys in charge
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Hope everyone had a great deer hunt im sure everyone is talking in there hunting group about that 200 inch buck they hunted or killed.
If you would listen to me that can happen, and oh by the way this winter range deer herd is full of mature bucks too, things are looking up. bs
 
Make rangefinders illegal....no more long range anything.....big buck haven. Just by doing this simple thing would limit technology in a HUGE way.
 
Hunts with all weapons of choice create more opportunities to people that want to hunt a givin unit. Argue that one???

The main goal of Utah management is geared around opportunity for the public and IMO this would make it harder for the traditional hunter that hunts with his prefered weapon and unit... I get your motivation for this plan but im afraid it would create less opportunity. Sorry

For example:

Say your family loves to eat Ice Cream... or -( weapon of choice )every friday night... K

This is your family tradition... Ice Cream. K

Then your town -( unit )bans Ice Cream and and is a candy only town...-( unit ). Say your family hates candy.

How hard is it for your family to drive accross state to a town that allows Ice Cream and enjoy it as much???

Wouldnt this make it harder on your family and require your family to be more dedicated to it... and richer to afford your habit and tradition???

Another Example:

Say you have 100 people that like a givin unit... 50 of them rifle hunt, 25 muzzleloader, and 25 archery hunt. When you close that unit to just archery that puts 75 people out and crushes opportunity for them. Only 25 people benefit from this givin unit. That 75 people that are cut off from this unit are not going to have the same opportunity.

Ya they can hunt a different unit but how much harder is that for them just to hunt convieniently and traditionaly???

Talk about a rich mans sport made richer!... with less opportunity for the public and the traditional hunters that hunt to hunt and dont have the means to hunt cross state.

Now look at this with an open mind to those that enjoy hunting a unit close to home and are traditional hunters... -Nuf Said
 
All i got from that was ice cream and candy! Ha ha
If a unit closed down to primitive only, that allows archery and muzzle so thats 50 people at the numbers you mentioned above. The other thing is if the unit were to go primitive only, there may be the posdibility for a tag number increase. So maybe the same number of hunters, but with a lower success ratio equals more bucks. If there are more bucks the chance of more bucks actually reaching maturity is higher.... So more big bucks as well. Not stating this as a fact. Just brainstorming the idea as i think maben sees it.
 
Point well taken, if we gave the deer a chance to live another day, we can have 2 or 3 season openers, we are too smart for our deer, anyway, this plan will give us a chance to have more opportunity, plus the family groups will have huge deer to hunt!! Look in the pope and young book or the longhunters book and look at the bulls that have came out of catron county, that was a unit that was completely shot out and new mexico make the unit 15a, 15b, primitive weapon, and unit 16 went to a 16a,16b 16c 16d, rifle and they rotated the unit, with restriction, the locals loved it. Im just saying that plan may work for deer in this state. AND NO I HAVE NOT BEEN DOING CRACK, NEVER SEEN THE #####
 
Hear me out...

I myself have wondered about this for years on how management could be better and my thought process always leads me back to thinking how mule deer hunting would be if it were geared like the Elk hunts are... Funny as this sounds its kinda like the henrys mtn plan is (to an extent) if you think about it...

Just bare with me and here me out... no one has to agree with me, Im just throwing this out there... K

For instance:

The henrys mtn unit has a hunt for trophys (Big bull) and they have a hunt for management, 3 point and under (Spike tags). Not the opportunity or the quality suffers and hunts are givin for all weapons of choice.

Put the general units on a program like this, obviously there would be more 3 point and under hunts but we would have big 4 point and up bucks with good genetics because the bad genetics would be weeded out by the general 3 point and under hunts and the good bucks will be given time to grow to maturity and reach their potential if it was like this... would it not???

This would still allow traditional hunters to hunt with their weapon of choice and unit of choice as well as hunters that draw for big buck. Like big bull and spike tags work.

A 3 point and unter hunt would be for the general tags and would allow bucks with good genetics to mature and get big and a certain number of less tags would be given for a BIG BUCK tag... eh eh what do you think???

Like it or not everyone has their own opinions on how things would work.

The hard part is people must think about how everyone else can benefit. I think if it were like the elk hunts it would benefit everyone and produce great hunting... am i wrong?

No one would be made fun of for shooting a 2 point on a general season hunt and I think it would mean more by shooting a 2 point on a 2 point hunt and a giant 2x3 would be a great success. Greater opportunity would be there for real good quality bucks if it were for a big buck tag on a given unit!

Also the number of tags given out each year for big buck and general would be easy to determine for each unit by seeing how many mature bucks that are 4 point and up are present in the herd.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-12 AT 02:24PM (MST)[p]Also... (to an extent).

The general season units and limited entry units in Utah are fairly close to this type of plan i mentioned but lack a little attention. They each have a plan but lack the detailed management each unit needs to truly benefit and be great!

Elk management plans just like the one you've mentioned are more detailed and focused on the herd... vs ...buck deer hunts on a unit that just have the number of bucks per does managed for right now in utah.

Bottom line is each unit needs its own plan... a detailed plan!

And I think this is pretty much what Utah wanted to see when they voted for the 30 unit plan but I think it can be built on and improved by better managing for the herd and not just for numbers in the herd!
 
>All i got from that was
>ice cream and candy! Ha
>ha
>If a unit closed down to
>primitive only, that allows archery
>and muzzle so thats 50
>people at the numbers you
>mentioned above. The other
>thing is if the unit
>were to go primitive only,
>there may be the posdibility
>for a tag number increase.

Muleyhunter413... What happens for the other 50 then that dont use primitive weapons??? This plan would ruin a unit for half the people and only benefit the primitive weapon hunters... I dont see the benefits

My analogy was to show that the goal should be to benefit everyone here...

Certainly units can be successful using all weapons of choice.

If you want to hunt a unit that only uses primitive weapons with big bucks go hunt the wasatch extended archery! This is a prime example of this plan put into action and how it could be... Great opportunity, w/lower success rates.
 
I don't think there are very many hunters out there that wouldn't want to kill a mature buck if presented with the chance to do so. I also believe that killing a mature buck is not the focal point of a great many hunters and why they are in the field. That being said, I'm sure most of us understand that we hunters are a greatly diversified group, with individual needs and wants. Long range hunters, bow hunters, muzzy hunters, solo hunters, trophy hunters, family and friends hunters, rifle hunters, meat hunters, etc.

Our heritage has run the gamut, as has our wildlife. Our mule deer have historically gone from very modest numbers during the settlement times of the west, to artificially inflated numbers post settlement years, to once again much lower numbers. Our weaponry and equipment to hunt these critters has vastly improved and is still doing so.

In all the fray, we hunters seem to get bogged down on finding ways to reduce our numbers, reduce the numbers of animals killed by us, to find a solution to the mule deers' decline and growing older, bigger bucks. I suppose that is fine if what we all wanted was to have the ability to kill bigger more mature bucks on a less and less frequent basis, and reduce the hunter population. If that's not what most hunters want, and they instead want to increase the existing herds to a viable number whereby we can all have the chance to hunt deer; big bucks, old bucks, young bucks, any bucks; other options need to be not only considered, but demanded of our western wildlife agencies and wildlife conservation groups.

I can't imagine that should the western mule deer states-by hunter decree-would focus the majority of their efforts on finding what is truly the cause of mule deer declines and stagnant populations, some sort of "fix" that benefits all hunters could be agreed upon. Most of us know there are many factors involved, and way down that list is hunters killing the critters. Sure there has been progress, but it is too slow and too little on a wide spread basis. Do any of you know of a state by state joined effort to solve this decline issue? I'm not aware of one, other than what WAFWA provides, and that hasn't seem to have worked as of yet.

I guess we can continue to figure out ways to manage hunters while our deer herds stagnate or decline, but I'm not convinced that is the best approach at this time, or we can start pushing back hard and demanding the various agencies try harder to find a more viable solution. I dunno...just thinking out loud.



www.unitedwildlifecooperative.org
 
Allot of truth there, stillhunterman, very well placed words, Are we too smart with the tech out on the hill, and are the people that sell the tech and keep voting down any limits to decrease gadets part of the problem? Please help me with your mind and words, as to what we can do to help our deer. If we get it right i will personally take it to mr. Sheehan myself, if your not from Utah he is the new director for Utah, please keep writing on this post I can tell you have a very strong, and knowledgeable background
 
Typicalfreak, Thats interesting, not a bad idea, when we get them old bucks, out there on the hill we can sure enough do that, Ok lets start with making young bucks old, and we are on our way to 200 inch haven
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-12 AT 04:26PM (MST)[p]It could start right on spot by only allowing 3 point and under general tags aka-(Spike tags) for a year or two in alot of areas and great bucks would start to appear... Ive already played this out in my mind how to get the big ones haha...

But thats the thing... every unit is different and some wouldnt take long at all... some would take longer.

The funny thing is the general units are basically 3 and under tags anyway for the most part if you think about it... all it would be is working on a plan thats already there, building on it, not giving up on it by trying a completely different plan and starting all over from scratch.

Thats why a detailed plan like Elk plans that look at the herd and and not just numbers would be ideal in my minds eye!
 
Larry, you know good deer, why won"t youjump in and help me? If my plan isn"t bullet proof i"m you have the plan. Lets read your idea for 200 inch bucks, i will read and leave the 99 out of it!!!
 
Typicalfreak, I was saying above that, the tag numbers u talked about (100) total, (50 rifle, 25 bow, and 25 muzz), could possibly remain 100 tags but go 50 to archers, 50 to muzz. Rifle hunters wpuld switch or hunt elsewhere.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-12 AT 05:59AM (MST)[p]>Typicalfreak, I was saying above that,
>the tag numbers u talked
>about (100) total, (50
>rifle, 25 bow, and 25
>muzz), could possibly remain 100
>tags but go 50 to
>archers, 50 to muzz.
>Rifle hunters wpuld switch or
>hunt elsewhere.

Muleyhunter413... I totally get that. Thats exactly what i was explaining. This shows how rifle hunters would be out and have less oportunity on the unit. I think your not getting what im saying... maybe you are... but just like the ice cream analogy i gave earlier it would be harder on the rifle hunters to carry on tradition and to have the same opportunities.

Now take a second and think about what weapon the majority of Utah hunts with...??? Traditionally... If your thinking its anything besides rifle you'd be dead wrong.

Now take another second and think about how much harder it would be for the majority to hunt statewide on this plan.

This plan would be awesome for bow hunters and would be in their favor because more could hunt a unit by being able to increase bow tags but the majority of Utah rifle hunts. Truth be told...

There is no way the whole state of Utah can frequently produce 200 inch bucks on the circumstances we have... no way. Unless tags were dropped dramatically. Fortunatly there are units that do produce 200+ deer regularly... you most likely know which ones im talking about, but they have far fewer tags and thats how these bucks become 200".

Like how its been stated before... we need to stop shooting em either by passing em or dropping tags if we want to see more bucks of this caliber.

JUST SAYING ON THIS ONE... 3 point and under tags would do exactly this by forcing people to not shoot mature bucks which would allow the ones with good genetics to grow to a desired age and still allow a high number of hunters to hunt at the same time.

BIG BUCK TAGS would be fun and awesome! 3 point and under tags would be fun and awesome too for those that just want to hunt or hunt for solely the meat aka-(meat hunters). Having both of these type of hunts on the same unit would be exciting! Many units could have limited entry and general tags(3 point and under). Limited entry units wouldnt be so hard to draw out because other areas would have big buck tags... other units would be more desirable to put in for a big buck tag and we could get away from waiting 10 years to draw a desired tag! I think it would be less to draw a big buck tag if more units had desirable mature bucks... am i wrong here???

Agree with me or not we all know greater bucks can be produced, but in my opinion, not on the plan we have right now that JUST focuses on numbers of bucks per does on a given unit. It needs to be more than that! This goes for the limited entry units too that aim for a higher number of bucks to does than general units. Still 200" bucks are quite far and few between on limited entry units for this reason also and the quality could definantly be better! Im mainly thinkin about the Book cliffs, Vernon, and Fillmore,Oak Creek units when i say this that are still managed for simply a higher buck to doe ratio.

Look at the Fillmore, Oak Creek post on this website and youll see what i mean by the quality factor thats not being addressed by whats being talked about on there.

The herds are not just numbers Utah DWR!

All i got to say is if theyd pay more attention to quality and not quantity things would improve in every way.

I could go all day long but im done preaching now... you could say i have a tiny passion for deer hunting and it shows so i apologize if i tend to get on a soap box!
 
If this is a CC issue and 100 needed to get shot, then it shouldn't matter if they get shot with a wrist rocket or a tank. If going archery & switching to a 3pt and under requirement then a lot of young bucks would get shot bc those are the ones still dumb by age that make up the majority of that category. To get big, old deer in areas with mediocre genetics you have to at least be saturated by old deer which is easiest to achieve through age-based harvest. The problem there is the manpower needed, extra $ spent on check stations, suitable fines in place & an appeal process.....as well as make it more difficult for kids to pull the trigger from hunting old elusive deer.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-12 AT 08:18AM (MST)[p]And all i"m saying is, with all our gadgets we are too smart for our deer!!! Rifle only units and primitive weapon only units, ok some with 3 point restrictions. Make it available for youth hunters to shoot small bucks, but the bottom line is we need to make some units, not all,easier for a young buck to get old, then rotate this pilot unit around. I too could go on and on about deer, this plan would not give a rifle hunter, or a primitive hunter an advantage: It would give the deer an advantage, the numbers and age groups would take care of themselves.
 
Heres an example:

Im not trying to sound self righteous, but im a hunter that loves venison. I also hunt to hopefully harvest a trophy. Most hunters are the same way!

I myself drew a general buck tag this year... did I shoot a buck? No. Could I have? yes. 5 of them actually, 1 of them i let walk was a decent 4 point. I hunted sooooo very hard to find a shooter but ended up eating tag soup. By choice yes... but only because the quality suffered and the fact that I understand something...

I understand that these bucks i let walk will only get bigger by age... so your welcome to whoever shoots them next year! haha And in the mean time ill buy my meat from the store... I love chicken too!

If the hunts were set up like 4point and up for -(BIG BUCK) and 3point and under for -(GENERAL BUCK tag), and if i had a 3 point and under general tag i wouldnt have been so picky and the quality of my hunt would have been sooooo much better. I wouldnt have to worry about finding a "shooter buck" till i a drew a BIG BUCK tag.

I do have high hopes for the small 4 point that i let walk... good forks! This buck could be 180+ if it were givin time and age.

Things improve 1 step at a time folks
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-12 AT 01:01AM (MST)[p]I am proud of you, wish more people would turn down bucks in hopes for bigger ones. I too enjoy wild game meat, and have hopes for a few more hunts myself. What spurred this desire to take on the world and propose a primitive hunt in a pilot unit started a few years ago. My dad passed away a few years ago, and the next time i went into Salina Creek some of his words, and stories popped in my head. One was when in 1940, when he just got out high school, he and his buddies went deer hunting in jump creek in the head of Salina Creek, they shot deer like we see on the henerys now days , with iron sited 30-30. The other saying he had was they will never be able to shoot all,the deer, there are just too many. I started hunting with him at a very young age in the early 60"s, and the deer where still almost everywhere, there was never a problem finding an old buck, by then he had an old 32 spl. iron sited rifle. One of his quotes was son,ya should have seen the bucks in the 40"s. I have a son and in the mid 70"s we too hunted and we too took some good deer, I caught myself saying after one of our hunts, should have seen the sixties. Now with son, grandson, and passed away father, we go in Salina Creek, with the latest and greatest optic on the market, sitting on our favorite points, looking at first light, and just before dark, and folks there are times when we haven"t seen a deer!!!! They had lots of dogs, and cats on the hill in the 40"s and sixties, they had, 186k hunters in the sixties. I will ask any reader what do we have now that they didn"t back then? This will not take rocket science! Please, please, help spread the word, lets just try one unit in utah, and make it primitive weapon, what do we have to lose, we have tried everything else, the only thing we haven"t tried is what was so good,back in the day!!!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-12 AT 12:24PM (MST)[p]I would support a program that limited the range of our weapons. I think it's a great idea. Think for a moment, our muzzleloaders are good out to 200, our bows are good at under a hundred. Our rifles however are good out to 500+. There will always be those that push the envelope. Overall if we limit the range, more deer will survive, young bucks grow up, and make for a more exciting hunt. Not just for the size of the rack, but hunting a mature buck is a very exciting thing. A much bigger thrill then shooting a two point that's watching you at 100 yards
Let's go to iron sights. Range finders are very important for an ethical shot. But we could take the scope off and all of a sudden the deer have a better chance
 
Here's a complex and mind-blowing solution to enhance UT deer hunting... call AZGFD and copy every thing they do. In five years, things would look a lot different. We're already on path with the new micro-units initiated in 2012.

Unlimited lion tags (OTC) Basically statewide archery with short gun seasons and premium rut/late tags in almost all units. This takes some pressure off of the Pauns, Books, Henrys etc and makes the general units a lot more appealing to trophy hunters who want the late tags. If you dont draw your rifle or muzz tag, bow hunt the same units for a month in the summer and again near the end of the year. Tag sales will remain constant.

Ive lived in both stated and hunted public OTC units in both states. There are a lot more opportunities in AZ and great deer quality across the state. Top it off by the fact that UT habitat is ten times the quality.

"You skin grizz?"
 

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