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Jaroper
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Anybody kill this year would like to see pictures. We had tag soup seen lots of big bucks.
JakeH
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-12 AT 11:46PM (MST)[p]Im confused how did you not tag out on the managment hunt, the whole point of those tags is to weed out some of the deer with poor genetics, you couldnt find a 3 point on the last day to get him out of there?
I guess to each his own....
Edit: so I dont ruffle anyones feathers to much.
I think its great for people to go out and find there trophy "managment" buck (given its a true managment buck and not a broken up toad of a buck)
But.... If you cant find a buck that meets your standards by the last day put your tag to use and take out one of the bucks you have been passing on the last day of the season. Hell you cant tell me you couldnt find a decent 3x4 or 3x3 to cull out of the herd.
Anyways thats my 2 cents on the matter.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
I guess to each his own....
Edit: so I dont ruffle anyones feathers to much.
I think its great for people to go out and find there trophy "managment" buck (given its a true managment buck and not a broken up toad of a buck)
But.... If you cant find a buck that meets your standards by the last day put your tag to use and take out one of the bucks you have been passing on the last day of the season. Hell you cant tell me you couldnt find a decent 3x4 or 3x3 to cull out of the herd.
Anyways thats my 2 cents on the matter.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
BrowningRage
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I have to agree that Tag Soup on a Management hunt seems like a total waste of a tag that was intended for bucks not considered "trophy" quality...
Sorry to hear you didn't shoot anything. Must not have been very many bucks to look at...
"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
Sorry to hear you didn't shoot anything. Must not have been very many bucks to look at...
"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
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Jaroper
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Yes but a mangment tag is for older bucks why shoot a young buck
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miggiman19
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Actually the quicker you stop a bad gene the better. No sense in waiting until the buck is "old" and passes his weak genetics all those years.
BruinPoint
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I don't think the management hunt really influences genetics at all. It was a way for the DWR to expand opportunity and make a couple extra $$ without affecting "trophy quality." In truth, taking a high scoring trophy buck out of the gene pool probably affects genetics more than killing a few three points because the big buck doesn't breed at all that year, and there will always be a few bucks with lesser potential breeding multiple does no matter how many lower quality bucks get killed. Just my $0.02.
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Original I might have thought the management hunt has more merits than it really does. Now I think the a management buck may turn in to a 5 X 8 as an example. A couple of years ago I talked to a taxidermist who is also a very good hunter. He showed me a deer with large horns and as I remember it was something like a 6 X 8. he had shot that year. He said for a couple of years he watched that deer and it was a was a 3 X 4.
Don't get me wrong, I still think the management hunt is needed, even if it is just so the average hunter doesn't need to see so da** many guides. There are so many of them during the regular hunt of the Pauns unit that you need to wait in line to get on the mountain. Cameras by every waterhole, scouts going up and down the roads fifty miles an hour with their boosted cell phones and expensive radios and spotting scopes day and NIGHT. They have every large buck named. They are the nicest people alive as long as you don't encroach where a large buck is.
Anyway, managment hunt - thumbs up. Guide Services - thumbs down. I don't object to one guide, one hunter, but 11 guided permits and ten to twenty scouts per one guide gets a little much.
Don't get me wrong, I still think the management hunt is needed, even if it is just so the average hunter doesn't need to see so da** many guides. There are so many of them during the regular hunt of the Pauns unit that you need to wait in line to get on the mountain. Cameras by every waterhole, scouts going up and down the roads fifty miles an hour with their boosted cell phones and expensive radios and spotting scopes day and NIGHT. They have every large buck named. They are the nicest people alive as long as you don't encroach where a large buck is.
Anyway, managment hunt - thumbs up. Guide Services - thumbs down. I don't object to one guide, one hunter, but 11 guided permits and ten to twenty scouts per one guide gets a little much.
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Redneck2
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If I can figure out how to post pictures from my phone, I'll post a picture of my buddies. He is a 32" 3x4. Sweet buck
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Redneck2
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Yep, it's that buck Dillon. I'm Chase Spencer. I was there when he killed it. Good story behind the buck, and I couldn't be happier for him.
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"Yes but a mangment tag is for older bucks why shoot a young buck"
Actually the managment tags where created to move people through the system, and to help control buck populations on the "trophy" hunts without decreaseing trophy quality from the herd, I would bet almost anything you could have found a buck on the last day that was a mature buck that just didnt have the potetial to be a great buck. Not evey mature buck will be a 28" buck, there are plenty that only 22-24 inch bucks.
But like I said to each there own.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
Actually the managment tags where created to move people through the system, and to help control buck populations on the "trophy" hunts without decreaseing trophy quality from the herd, I would bet almost anything you could have found a buck on the last day that was a mature buck that just didnt have the potetial to be a great buck. Not evey mature buck will be a 28" buck, there are plenty that only 22-24 inch bucks.
But like I said to each there own.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
huntinfanatic
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JakeH, so which of your posts are we supposed to believe? Your first post says that the "whole" point of the hunt is to weed out bad genetics, then your most recent post says that the hunt was created to move people through the system. Which is it?
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""JakeH, so which of your posts are we supposed to believe? Your first post says that the "whole" point of the hunt is to weed out bad genetics, then your most recent post says that the hunt was created to move people through the system. Which is it?""
Holy Sh!t can you not read, yes I added the
"move the people through the system"
part and then RIGHT after that said
"and to help control buck populations on the "trophy" hunts without decreaseing trophy quality from the herd"
-which is a different way of saying what I stated in the first post.
I think officaly they were set up to take more bucks from the herd without affecting trophy quality.
I think its dumb to have a managment tag and not kill a deer, My oppion, like I said in both posts to each there own.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
Holy Sh!t can you not read, yes I added the
"move the people through the system"
part and then RIGHT after that said
"and to help control buck populations on the "trophy" hunts without decreaseing trophy quality from the herd"
-which is a different way of saying what I stated in the first post.
I think officaly they were set up to take more bucks from the herd without affecting trophy quality.
I think its dumb to have a managment tag and not kill a deer, My oppion, like I said in both posts to each there own.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
huntinfanatic
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Haha, no need to to get your panties in a bunch. Rather than questioning my reading ability I suggest you actually get on the UDWR website and read the management hunt info packet. Instead of using all your brain power on what you think they "officaly" did you could actually see that "weeding out bad genetics" has NOTHING to do with the management hunts.
JakeH
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Quote taken off of the DWR web site.
-""The goal of the management buck deer hunt is to remove excess bucks
from the Paunsaugunt and Henry Mountains limited-entry units, which
currently have high buck-to-doe ratios. At the same time, there's an effort to
protect the larger antlered bucks on these units. The harvest of mature
bucks with three or fewer points will accomplish both goals. It will help the
Division of Wildlife Resources (DWR) reduce buck-to-doe ratios while
preserving trophy-class animals. Having lower buck-to-doe ratios is
important because it results in the birth of more fawns and contributes to
the long-term health and strength of the herds. This hunt will also provide
more opportunities for sportsmen on two of Utah?s best hunting units.""-
Hell almost word for word what I stated in my second post.....
So thanks for makeing my argument that much stronger, guess my thinking was spot on...
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
-""The goal of the management buck deer hunt is to remove excess bucks
from the Paunsaugunt and Henry Mountains limited-entry units, which
currently have high buck-to-doe ratios. At the same time, there's an effort to
protect the larger antlered bucks on these units. The harvest of mature
bucks with three or fewer points will accomplish both goals. It will help the
Division of Wildlife Resources (DWR) reduce buck-to-doe ratios while
preserving trophy-class animals. Having lower buck-to-doe ratios is
important because it results in the birth of more fawns and contributes to
the long-term health and strength of the herds. This hunt will also provide
more opportunities for sportsmen on two of Utah?s best hunting units.""-
Hell almost word for word what I stated in my second post.....
So thanks for makeing my argument that much stronger, guess my thinking was spot on...
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
huntinfanatic
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The only person you are arguing with is yourself! I asked you if the "whole" purpose was to weed out bad genetics as you state in your first post OR if there was actually more reasons for the management hunt as you state in your second post. Being that you are having a hard time comprehending the point of my question I will help you, I was simply pointing out that there are a few more important reasons for the hunt than as you say "to weed out bad genetics", THATS IT! Nothing more.
Now go ahead and keep having your arguement with yourself. Maybe in your rebuttal you can finally make a post that has every word properly spelled.
Now go ahead and keep having your arguement with yourself. Maybe in your rebuttal you can finally make a post that has every word properly spelled.
Have to agree with Jake here. Definitely talks about the genetic aspect of the management hunt in the official reasoning. Huntfanatic not sure you are getting it here, but Jake is right on. And if a three point is young or old, it is still a three point, so if you have a management tag you had just as well help out and manage.
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-08-12 AT 07:47PM (MST)[p]If you look at the first paragraph in the info packet, the why have a management hunt section, it states that the purpose is to lower buck to doe ratios while protecting trophy class animals.
They are wanting more MATURE bucks harvested while protecting the good genetics. Taking MATURE bucks with 3 points or less is how they plan to achieve those goals. Getting rid of bucks with bad genetics is an added bonus, not the purpose.
The biologists at the check station have told me that they would prefer that hunters not fill their tags than to fill them with young deer. Towards the bottom of the info packet you can see a picture titled Legal two year old bucks, you can see where it states they prefer that you do NOT harvest those deer. Above the list of volunteers it also states that harvesting mature bucks is critical to the success of the program.
My point is, Jaroper or whoever had the tag in his group did the right thing by eating tag soup rather than filling it on the last day with a young buck.
Whether we agree or disagree is not important, what is important is that hunters who have the tags do their best to follow the programs rules AND recommendations so that the hunts will continue for years to come allowing additional sportsman to hunt these limited entry units. The most talked about recommendation in the packet is to NOT harvest young deer.
They are wanting more MATURE bucks harvested while protecting the good genetics. Taking MATURE bucks with 3 points or less is how they plan to achieve those goals. Getting rid of bucks with bad genetics is an added bonus, not the purpose.
The biologists at the check station have told me that they would prefer that hunters not fill their tags than to fill them with young deer. Towards the bottom of the info packet you can see a picture titled Legal two year old bucks, you can see where it states they prefer that you do NOT harvest those deer. Above the list of volunteers it also states that harvesting mature bucks is critical to the success of the program.
My point is, Jaroper or whoever had the tag in his group did the right thing by eating tag soup rather than filling it on the last day with a young buck.
Whether we agree or disagree is not important, what is important is that hunters who have the tags do their best to follow the programs rules AND recommendations so that the hunts will continue for years to come allowing additional sportsman to hunt these limited entry units. The most talked about recommendation in the packet is to NOT harvest young deer.
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What I get a kick out of is:
The Deer Pro's say:
He's a 3X2,He's JUNK,kill him & get him out of the Gene Pool!
He's a 4X3,He's JUNK,kill him & get him out of the Gene Pool!
But by GAWD if He lives long enough to become a 5X4 He's not in the JUNK Gene Pool anymore & everybody & their Buddies Buddy is Happy as Hell with a 5X4!
5X4's & 6X5's never get called JUNK Genetic Bucks!
WTF?
SPLAIN it!
Hello Mr. Wisz,This is the UDWR Calling....LMMFAO!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
The Deer Pro's say:
He's a 3X2,He's JUNK,kill him & get him out of the Gene Pool!
He's a 4X3,He's JUNK,kill him & get him out of the Gene Pool!
But by GAWD if He lives long enough to become a 5X4 He's not in the JUNK Gene Pool anymore & everybody & their Buddies Buddy is Happy as Hell with a 5X4!
5X4's & 6X5's never get called JUNK Genetic Bucks!
WTF?
SPLAIN it!
Hello Mr. Wisz,This is the UDWR Calling....LMMFAO!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
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elkun
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elkassassin. because most of these dumb city boys dont even know what a big buck, is,,, if its a 4x4 its good , what a joke,if you dont get a deer ona mangement hunt give it up' your a loser,,,
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Jaroper
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A loser? How is that cause you dont take a deer why not do what the hunt is intended to do take the older managment bucks. And I am no city boy mister bad A hunter!!! We had plenty of chances to kill not managment deer.
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elkun
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chill, there, jaroper, just messing with you,,, iam sure you could have got a deer,,
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Huntin fanatic is spot on, you can tell he has read the managment book, there is no sense in shooting a young 3 point just for the hell of it. Like he said there is pictures in the book showing you the type of bucks they want you to harvest for you dumb a$$'s that dont know how to read
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stockhunter
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My 15 year old daughter shot this management buck on Saturday morning. It wasn't the biggest management buck around but she was very excited to take him. He was a 4x2 with 2 kickers on the side with his 2 points that don't show in the picture. He definetely had character! We had a great time!
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As I said in post #11 I'm sure they could of found a mature managment buck on the last day, it might not of been up to par with what they wanted to kill, but mature none the less. You can't tell me that through the whole hunt they didnt see a buck that would meet the DWR's qualifications....
That's a great buck your daughter got stockhunter good for her.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
That's a great buck your daughter got stockhunter good for her.
Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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When I had my management tag on the Henry's, we spent quite a bit of time talking with the CO down there. He also mentioned that many of these older deer that didn't sport the huge antlers, would probably die of old age as nobody with a regular rifle tag would shoot anything that these descriptions define as a management buck. So in that case, it not only removes those bucks to allow more deer numbers, but also gives hunters the additional opportunity to harvest an older, mature buck. I had a blast on my hunt, and passed many great management bucks, but we were just enjoying being down there and seeing all the other bucks and animals there. I knew it would be my only chance to ever hunt the Henry's, which even though I couldn't shoot the bigger bucks, I still took what to me was a nice trophy buck. I think that if a person draws a permit, he should try and harvest a buck as that is the purpose of the hunt, but if you don't find what you are looking for, and choose to not use the tag, I guess that is their choice. I waited until the day that we were going to have to leave before I finally put the hammer down, and I would have been happy regardless of the buck...but luckily I took a nice one!
I applaud the DWR for providing the opportunity for some of us who just enjoy the time to get out and hunt for a special buck.
I applaud the DWR for providing the opportunity for some of us who just enjoy the time to get out and hunt for a special buck.
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Here is my friend's buck. 32" wide and a gross score of 178 2/8". There is a good story behind this buck. I drew the tag last year and was unable to harvest this buck, because he had a 4" drop tine that split the main beam and G2 on his 3 point side. Although I wasn't able to kill him, I'm happy as heck for my buddy.
