Colorado Governors Tag Buck
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Wyoming poacher from Utah.
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Would you feel better if we started a new thread?
I have no respect for anyone in the hunting industry who would employ someone like Brownlee, who has shown zero regard for the law, as recently as last month!! Seeing him sitting behind that buck makes me want to puke. Although there have been many, many negative comments made on this website about Mossback in the past, I have always given them the benefit of the doubt, assuming it was just jealousy or sour grapes. But the fact that they would hire someone like Brownlee suggests to me that maybe there is some truth to the accusations.
It's an outstanding buck, and I'm happy for the hunter. The buck deserved better than Brownlee, though.
I have no respect for anyone in the hunting industry who would employ someone like Brownlee, who has shown zero regard for the law, as recently as last month!! Seeing him sitting behind that buck makes me want to puke. Although there have been many, many negative comments made on this website about Mossback in the past, I have always given them the benefit of the doubt, assuming it was just jealousy or sour grapes. But the fact that they would hire someone like Brownlee suggests to me that maybe there is some truth to the accusations.
It's an outstanding buck, and I'm happy for the hunter. The buck deserved better than Brownlee, though.
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Like or dislike, the guy can find big deer. He's good at it. I don't know all the details of his past, but I do know Mike and I like the guy and have respect for him. I've never really asked about his past crap.
I just don't think the thread needed to turn into a bash Mike cause of something he got in trouble over 15 years ago (I believe it was).
Brian Latturner
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I just don't think the thread needed to turn into a bash Mike cause of something he got in trouble over 15 years ago (I believe it was).
Brian Latturner
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>Like or dislike, the guy can
>find big deer. He's good
>at it.
That's just it. It's all about the money. Doesn't matter the means, as long as the result is produced! I think that's what people have complained of about Mossback in the past. They will do anything to make sure their hunter gets the buck or bull. Like it or not. Brownlee epitomizes that way of thinking.
>I don't know
>all the details of his
>past, but I do know
>Mike and I like the
>guy and have respect for
>him. I've never really asked
>about his past crap.
You and I are different in that regard, then. I can't have respect for anyone who will do whatever it takes (including breaking the law) to "bag the big one."
>I just don't think the thread
>needed to turn into a
>bash Mike cause of something
>he got in trouble over
>15 years ago (I believe
>it was).
He has been in trouble in CO as recently as October 2012. It's not hearsay....look it up. Maybe you don't care to do that though. The truth hurts....or maybe it just doesn't matter because, after all, they got the big one!!!
>find big deer. He's good
>at it.
That's just it. It's all about the money. Doesn't matter the means, as long as the result is produced! I think that's what people have complained of about Mossback in the past. They will do anything to make sure their hunter gets the buck or bull. Like it or not. Brownlee epitomizes that way of thinking.
>I don't know
>all the details of his
>past, but I do know
>Mike and I like the
>guy and have respect for
>him. I've never really asked
>about his past crap.
You and I are different in that regard, then. I can't have respect for anyone who will do whatever it takes (including breaking the law) to "bag the big one."
>I just don't think the thread
>needed to turn into a
>bash Mike cause of something
>he got in trouble over
>15 years ago (I believe
>it was).
He has been in trouble in CO as recently as October 2012. It's not hearsay....look it up. Maybe you don't care to do that though. The truth hurts....or maybe it just doesn't matter because, after all, they got the big one!!!
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12
>AT 12:06?PM (MST)
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>Come on! Do you really need
>to start all that? Please
>don't turn the thread into
>a Mike Brownlee dislike thing.
>
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
Not sure why my post was deleted. That's fine. Apply your rule consistently though.
Either way, the animal is incredible. The live pics show what a beast he was -- swollen and rutting like crazy.
>AT 12:06?PM (MST)
>
>Come on! Do you really need
>to start all that? Please
>don't turn the thread into
>a Mike Brownlee dislike thing.
>
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
Not sure why my post was deleted. That's fine. Apply your rule consistently though.
Either way, the animal is incredible. The live pics show what a beast he was -- swollen and rutting like crazy.
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Holy shiz his teeth are WHITE!!!!
Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
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Look it up? Where?
But I will be honest, I don't care that much about it all. Not because "the truth hurts" (not sure why that would hurt me), but because I have other stuff to do than worry about him. I pay taxes so the law can do that.
I obviously don't have the inside scoop, cause while I've heard a few things, I also know where those few things ended up. I base my opinion of him on the absolute facts that I know of, and with that, I think he's a good guy. (He just needs to stay away from my "garage sale" he he he)
I'll say no more. I've managed to help turn this thread into exactly what I didn't want it to turn into. I guess cause I like a good debate. Sorry all.
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But I will be honest, I don't care that much about it all. Not because "the truth hurts" (not sure why that would hurt me), but because I have other stuff to do than worry about him. I pay taxes so the law can do that.
I obviously don't have the inside scoop, cause while I've heard a few things, I also know where those few things ended up. I base my opinion of him on the absolute facts that I know of, and with that, I think he's a good guy. (He just needs to stay away from my "garage sale" he he he)
I'll say no more. I've managed to help turn this thread into exactly what I didn't want it to turn into. I guess cause I like a good debate. Sorry all.
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It is a real monster but those two bucks off of Antelope Island seem to dwarf it!
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>Holy shiz his teeth are WHITE!!!!
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>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>your head up high, keep
>your eyes fixed to where
>the trail meets the sky...
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That's because he has to bleach from all the bullchit and lies he's spewed over the years.
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>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>your head up high, keep
>your eyes fixed to where
>the trail meets the sky...
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That's because he has to bleach from all the bullchit and lies he's spewed over the years.
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Thats a good one. Doesnt look that impressive on the hoof, but on the ground. WOW. Wish it was mine!
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12 AT 03:10PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12 AT 03:09?PM (MST)
Those pictures are hysterical. What kind of an azzhat guide takes center stage in a hero shot?
Those pictures are hysterical. What kind of an azzhat guide takes center stage in a hero shot?
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>>Holy shiz his teeth are WHITE!!!!
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>>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>>your head up high, keep
>>your eyes fixed to where
>>the trail meets the sky...
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>That's because he has to bleach
>from all the bullchit and
>lies he's spewed over the
>years.
That is a fact!
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>>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>>your head up high, keep
>>your eyes fixed to where
>>the trail meets the sky...
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>That's because he has to bleach
>from all the bullchit and
>lies he's spewed over the
>years.
That is a fact!
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I hope he is able to get a Govenor's shed hunting permit again in 2013.
PleaseDear
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Nice buck!
Mossback Always get's it done!!
I hope the guide didn't pay more than I did for my Clear Choice smile!!
Cost me my $40k Stone hunt.....ya know...
Robb
Mossback Always get's it done!!
I hope the guide didn't pay more than I did for my Clear Choice smile!!
Cost me my $40k Stone hunt.....ya know...
Robb
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12 AT 05:44PM (MST)[p]Brownlee makes kirt darner look like a eagle scout. None the less one hellluva muleys. Or muley rather if brownlee didn't ground check a few first.
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12 AT 06:15PM (MST)[p]First off that is an amazing buck and probably the best looking buck I've seen posted this year! Amazing!
I think the truth should be known to everyone about Mike Brownlee and not be censored by moderators. When Mike Brownlee was caught poaching in WY the judge wanted to adjust his sentence because of how blatantly ignorant he was. He honestly believed that he didn't do anything wrong. And his "Mr. Mule Deer" speech was hilarious. He actually wanted people to call him that. Mike has no ethics when it comes to big bucks. Founder is right, he does find the big bucks consistently. At the same time he throws ethics right out of the window. Driving on closed roads? Thats no problem if you are Mike Brownlee. Using ultralight aircraft? Yup put him in that category. The list goes on and on.
And founder is right, the past is the past. But Mike has not shown us that he's changed. It's all about his ego. There's something sad about a guy that puts big deer ahead of his family and his own name. To drag the Brownlee name through the mud more than once. What kind of person would do such a thing? A guy that hasn't learned his lesson and should deserve no more respect than a poacher should get.
I think the truth should be known to everyone about Mike Brownlee and not be censored by moderators. When Mike Brownlee was caught poaching in WY the judge wanted to adjust his sentence because of how blatantly ignorant he was. He honestly believed that he didn't do anything wrong. And his "Mr. Mule Deer" speech was hilarious. He actually wanted people to call him that. Mike has no ethics when it comes to big bucks. Founder is right, he does find the big bucks consistently. At the same time he throws ethics right out of the window. Driving on closed roads? Thats no problem if you are Mike Brownlee. Using ultralight aircraft? Yup put him in that category. The list goes on and on.
And founder is right, the past is the past. But Mike has not shown us that he's changed. It's all about his ego. There's something sad about a guy that puts big deer ahead of his family and his own name. To drag the Brownlee name through the mud more than once. What kind of person would do such a thing? A guy that hasn't learned his lesson and should deserve no more respect than a poacher should get.
258? maybe closer to 228, incredible buck.
I don't know the hunter or the guide, but hunters I have guided always took center stage in pics, out of respect of the animal and hunter I would not even touch the rack until the hunter would. Just looks off that the guide would take the glory shot.
NMBIGHORN
I don't know the hunter or the guide, but hunters I have guided always took center stage in pics, out of respect of the animal and hunter I would not even touch the rack until the hunter would. Just looks off that the guide would take the glory shot.
NMBIGHORN
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Founder,
Can you tell us about the buck that Brownlee shot last year in Colorado? Scored around 220s and was in the mossback booth at the expo. Did you have your sights set on him?
Can you tell us about the buck that Brownlee shot last year in Colorado? Scored around 220s and was in the mossback booth at the expo. Did you have your sights set on him?
elkassassin
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258" My Ass!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
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>LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12
>AT 06:15?PM (MST)
>
>First off that is an amazing
>buck and probably the best
>looking buck I've seen posted
>this year! Amazing!
>
>I think the truth should be
>known to everyone about Mike
>Brownlee and not be censored
>by moderators. When Mike
>Brownlee was caught poaching in
>WY the judge wanted to
>adjust his sentence because of
>how blatantly ignorant he was.
> He honestly believed that
>he didn't do anything wrong.
> And his "Mr. Mule
>Deer" speech was hilarious.
>He actually wanted people to
>call him that. Mike
>has no ethics when it
>comes to big bucks.
>Founder is right, he does
>find the big bucks consistently.
> At the same time
>he throws ethics right out
>of the window. Driving
>on closed roads? Thats
>no problem if you are
>Mike Brownlee. Using ultralight
>aircraft? Yup put him
>in that category. The
>list goes on and on.
>
>
>And founder is right, the past
>is the past. But
>Mike has not shown us
>that he's changed. It's
>all about his ego.
>There's something sad about a
>guy that puts big deer
>ahead of his family and
>his own name. To
>drag the Brownlee name through
>the mud more than once.
> What kind of person
>would do such a thing?
> A guy that hasn't
>learned his lesson and should
>deserve no more respect than
>a poacher should get.
>
>
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html
>AT 06:15?PM (MST)
>
>First off that is an amazing
>buck and probably the best
>looking buck I've seen posted
>this year! Amazing!
>
>I think the truth should be
>known to everyone about Mike
>Brownlee and not be censored
>by moderators. When Mike
>Brownlee was caught poaching in
>WY the judge wanted to
>adjust his sentence because of
>how blatantly ignorant he was.
> He honestly believed that
>he didn't do anything wrong.
> And his "Mr. Mule
>Deer" speech was hilarious.
>He actually wanted people to
>call him that. Mike
>has no ethics when it
>comes to big bucks.
>Founder is right, he does
>find the big bucks consistently.
> At the same time
>he throws ethics right out
>of the window. Driving
>on closed roads? Thats
>no problem if you are
>Mike Brownlee. Using ultralight
>aircraft? Yup put him
>in that category. The
>list goes on and on.
>
>
>And founder is right, the past
>is the past. But
>Mike has not shown us
>that he's changed. It's
>all about his ego.
>There's something sad about a
>guy that puts big deer
>ahead of his family and
>his own name. To
>drag the Brownlee name through
>the mud more than once.
> What kind of person
>would do such a thing?
> A guy that hasn't
>learned his lesson and should
>deserve no more respect than
>a poacher should get.
>
>
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html
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if that buck is 258, I have 8 of them over 200 on my wall. still a great deer!
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-12 AT 07:28PM (MST)[p]>
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>Founder,
>
>
>
> Can you tell
>us about the buck that
>Brownlee shot last year in
>Colorado? Scored around 220s and
>was in the mossback booth
>at the expo.
> Did you have your
>sights set on him?
I would guess yes as they were both in the same picture that is currently over the top of all the forum pages. Sucks to be Founder.
I have one side/shed to that buck from the prior year, unfortunately I do not have the other side as some people do not feel rules apply to them and someone drove their ATV into there the same day and has it.
Which brings us to another point. Would said person had even been in the area hunting for the buck the next year if they hadn't broken the rules? Drove on closed roads, spotted said buck in the winter then bought a voucher for the same area? I'm thinking no................
I'm sure the Utah suckfest will kick in now and tell me what a great guy he is.
>
>Founder,
>
>
>
> Can you tell
>us about the buck that
>Brownlee shot last year in
>Colorado? Scored around 220s and
>was in the mossback booth
>at the expo.
> Did you have your
>sights set on him?
I would guess yes as they were both in the same picture that is currently over the top of all the forum pages. Sucks to be Founder.
I have one side/shed to that buck from the prior year, unfortunately I do not have the other side as some people do not feel rules apply to them and someone drove their ATV into there the same day and has it.
Which brings us to another point. Would said person had even been in the area hunting for the buck the next year if they hadn't broken the rules? Drove on closed roads, spotted said buck in the winter then bought a voucher for the same area? I'm thinking no................
I'm sure the Utah suckfest will kick in now and tell me what a great guy he is.
elkassassin
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Check your PM DinkShooter!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
Dinkshooter
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P.S.
Ask the other guys that hunt the same Mexico ranch as someone else does. They will tell you about a ultralight that is always on the place and used daily.
Another Fact.
Ask the other guys that hunt the same Mexico ranch as someone else does. They will tell you about a ultralight that is always on the place and used daily.
Another Fact.
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Every resident and NR hunter that has a pile of points and is hoping to hunt the high point areas soon should be mad about all this. Someone is stealing directly from you.
Another fact.
Another fact.
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ZIGGER
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>Holy shiz his teeth are WHITE!!!!
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>lmmfao....omg that is funny...I had to go back and look if you meant brownlee or the deer...lol
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>lmmfao....omg that is funny...I had to go back and look if you meant brownlee or the deer...lol
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Dang!!!!! That's all I can say. Sorry to all who didn't want to see the thread go this way. I try to keep the love alive and well, but there ain't here!!!! Dang!!! I should retire my moderating privileges, cause I suck! Ha ha
Definitely a subject with strong feelings. I didn't realize.
Brian Latturner
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Definitely a subject with strong feelings. I didn't realize.
Brian Latturner
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Funny how poachers bring out "strong feelings"...But hey rumor is he's a great guy! Ignorance is bliss founder?
Traditional >>>------->
Traditional >>>------->
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he was just trying to feed the family.......
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With all the penis contest an all does anybody know the unit? BH1
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Never mind I got it, 44. Great buc sad story. Bh1
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A buck of this caliber diserves a better demise than by Brownlee. I have no and will never have any respect for anyone associated to Mossback and will also show no appreciation for any animal taken by them. Sad deal...
"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway."
"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway."
I looked at their website and don't see a single picture of the shooter touching the antlers??? maybe I missed it... If I paid that much money to shoot that thing the pictures blasted on the internet wouldn't have the guide drooling and stroking the antlers...it would be ME and the money shot all over the camera lens!
Mntman
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Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
Mntman
"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
Most anybody can buy a landowner tag or governors tag (if you have the money) in Colorado and get a chance or kill a big buck or bull, especially if you can hunt through Dec. I have way more respect for the natives down on the reservation that kill monsters in Dec. than for some joker that hires 10 utahans or nevadites to show them a big buck. Then they brag about how they are such great hunters and know mule deer better than the deer themselves. Then the followers from Utah worship and defend this activity and they have only purchased the right to hunt with minimal competition when animals are easy targets.
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Sorry, cant resist throwing my own opinion out here after reading all the garbage from the mule deer police on this sight. You guys all kill me. Good thing none of you have ever made mistakes when it comes to hunting, life, family etc. Man Founder, didnt know MM had so many "perfect saintly" people subscribing to this sight. What a JOKE!
So way back in the day Mike claims residency in both UT and WY and that makes him a poacher? Thats not called poaching but rather financial creativity which came back to bite him and he's paid, and continues pay, dearly for that poor choice. Poaching in my book is taking game out of season. Shoot a buck after hours....poaching? Party tagging......poaching? Shoot a buck on private with out permission.....poaching? I don't call these violations poaching, rather breaking the law. What Mike did was break the law when it comes to claiming res status and you all want to put him in the same camp as Kurt Darner!!!!!! Garbage I say. Kurt killed countless bucks out of season WHICH makes him a poacher. Unless I missed something, Mike has never done that.
The dude has either killed or guided more 200" deer than any other guy on this sight and the reason you are all so quick to judge the dude is because he can do what you cant and thats kill big deer. I have never hunted with the guy but I would guess he spends more days in the field, working hard, looking over hundreds of bucks and covering acres upon acres of ground to find Mr Big. He pays the price and thats why he continually kills big deer.
So stop your freaking whining and judgmental accusations and get off your butts and get out on that winter range to find your 200" buck for next year. Otherwise if you don't, I promise you Mike Brownlee will and you will be left to sit at home again, this same time next year, whining and complaining about how Mike killed another GIANT and you killed squat!!! Idiots!!!!!
FEVER
So way back in the day Mike claims residency in both UT and WY and that makes him a poacher? Thats not called poaching but rather financial creativity which came back to bite him and he's paid, and continues pay, dearly for that poor choice. Poaching in my book is taking game out of season. Shoot a buck after hours....poaching? Party tagging......poaching? Shoot a buck on private with out permission.....poaching? I don't call these violations poaching, rather breaking the law. What Mike did was break the law when it comes to claiming res status and you all want to put him in the same camp as Kurt Darner!!!!!! Garbage I say. Kurt killed countless bucks out of season WHICH makes him a poacher. Unless I missed something, Mike has never done that.
The dude has either killed or guided more 200" deer than any other guy on this sight and the reason you are all so quick to judge the dude is because he can do what you cant and thats kill big deer. I have never hunted with the guy but I would guess he spends more days in the field, working hard, looking over hundreds of bucks and covering acres upon acres of ground to find Mr Big. He pays the price and thats why he continually kills big deer.
So stop your freaking whining and judgmental accusations and get off your butts and get out on that winter range to find your 200" buck for next year. Otherwise if you don't, I promise you Mike Brownlee will and you will be left to sit at home again, this same time next year, whining and complaining about how Mike killed another GIANT and you killed squat!!! Idiots!!!!!
FEVER
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So do the mule deer police not work on Saturday??? My post has been up for 15 minutes now and has not generated one response from the "Holier Than Thou" crowd? Come on now, I want a good debate on this one! Lets party!
FEVER
FEVER
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The two photos in post #5 show the buck alive and also after the kill. The kill photo makes him look a lot bigger than the live photo does IMO. I believe that is done with the size of lens Mossback uses. Something on the order of 24mm or there abouts.
Nothing wrong with that, in fact it's good photography when you're trying to highlight the closer subject.
It is weird that the hunter is not holding the rack himself, at least for the photo taken for the whole world to see. Maybe the guide will crop the hunter out at a later date?
Eel
Nothing wrong with that, in fact it's good photography when you're trying to highlight the closer subject.
It is weird that the hunter is not holding the rack himself, at least for the photo taken for the whole world to see. Maybe the guide will crop the hunter out at a later date?
Eel
LAST EDITED ON Dec-01-12 AT 10:18AM (MST)[p]>I looked at their website and
>don't see a single picture
>of the shooter touching the
>antlers??? maybe I missed it...
>If I paid that much
>money to shoot that thing
>the pictures blasted on the
>internet wouldn't have the guide
>drooling and stroking the antlers...it
>would be ME and the
>money shot all over the
>camera lens!
>
>Mntman
>
>"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
>
>
>
>Let me guess, you drive a
>1 ton with oak trees
>for smoke stacks, 12" lift
>kit and 40" tires to
>pull a single place lawn
>mower trailer?
His arms were to short to hold up the head from that distance...
>don't see a single picture
>of the shooter touching the
>antlers??? maybe I missed it...
>If I paid that much
>money to shoot that thing
>the pictures blasted on the
>internet wouldn't have the guide
>drooling and stroking the antlers...it
>would be ME and the
>money shot all over the
>camera lens!
>
>Mntman
>
>"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
>
>
>
>Let me guess, you drive a
>1 ton with oak trees
>for smoke stacks, 12" lift
>kit and 40" tires to
>pull a single place lawn
>mower trailer?
His arms were to short to hold up the head from that distance...
Gotthefever- I've made lots of mistake too, but claiming residency in two states and not having a valid tag is not one of them. And neither is bragging about how great of hunter I am, or buying landowner tags in gunnison or eagle county. These guys are going to ruin hunting for the pursuit of money and/or fame.
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Leonard,
I also have not made the mistake of buying a tag in a state I am not a res. in but claim to be. Neither am I trying to down play what he did. Life's lessons can be pretty tuff at times and I am sure Mike regrets daily for having tried to work the system back then. He has worn a scarlet letter across his chest since then. My point was I personally dont feel what he did with regards to WY puts in the same camp as Darner or even close. He made a mistake years ago and every time he slams a giant everyone wants to call foul play and bring up his WY / UT deal.
Please educate me on what you are referring to in your post about buying landowner tags in Eagle or Gunnison? Not sure I followed you on that one.
FEVER
I also have not made the mistake of buying a tag in a state I am not a res. in but claim to be. Neither am I trying to down play what he did. Life's lessons can be pretty tuff at times and I am sure Mike regrets daily for having tried to work the system back then. He has worn a scarlet letter across his chest since then. My point was I personally dont feel what he did with regards to WY puts in the same camp as Darner or even close. He made a mistake years ago and every time he slams a giant everyone wants to call foul play and bring up his WY / UT deal.
Please educate me on what you are referring to in your post about buying landowner tags in Eagle or Gunnison? Not sure I followed you on that one.
FEVER
More sportsman concerned with where our sport is going...Go figure Mossback is right in the middle of the crosshairs.
Cheat, Lie and Steal from the common hunters and you get whats coming to you.
Wait for it.....Is the jealousy card coming again?
Pathetic really.
Best,
Jerry
Cheat, Lie and Steal from the common hunters and you get whats coming to you.
Wait for it.....Is the jealousy card coming again?
Pathetic really.
Best,
Jerry
Romulus
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There are 2 topics within this debate that both bring a lot of venom and disgust. The first is Mike Brownlee with his checkered past that represents cheating in the eyes of many and the fact that he seems to be constantly involved in controversy over crossing the line is an indictment on his character. I have never met him and I have no doubt he is a great mule deer hunter. However what part of his success has been because of cheating? Would he put the same effort out without financial benefit some of which was aided by being in the winter range when he was not supposed to, driving closed roads, ultralights etc? We will never know. It is a little like steroids in baseball. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were superstars without cheating yet they cheated so it is hard to measure. Others who were stars clearly needed the steroids to compete. Some can look past "little things" Mike Brownlee did and say he is a great hunter look at the results. Others say the pattern of crossing boundaries is consistent so anything he does is tarnished. He does not seem to be worried about crossing lines so it is hard to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. The second topic is governor tags which represent paying in advance to cheat to a lot of hunters. For many of us modern hunting and paying for success leaves a crappy taste in our mouth. Posse's finding monsters, watching them for months, having the shooter come in and take it is demeaning for the animal. These monster bucks and bulls that evade hunters for years through every season of every weapon and then are killed in the winter range legally for the sake of raising money is hard to take. But we are all to blame. Most will buy a chance at the lottery tag to do the same thing. And we root for the guy with the lottery tag but then ridicule him if he does not maximize his tag by taking months off, getting help etc to find a monster. The hunting heritage this country was built on has changed dramatically in the past 10-15 years and in some ways mirrors our country. Everyone wants someone else to shoulder the burden, wants instant gratification, wants to sacrifice nothing, and believes they are entitled to things. Our country was built because many sacrificed for the good of the group. That attitude is dying year by year.
R
RockMtHigh
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I love this site, but it is turning into a cry baby, pissin contest!
Two things are never gonna change (1) people who consistently kill good bucks are gonna get jealously accused of cheating, and (2) people with money are always gonna kill bigger deer than you and i. I get on on this site because i love muleys more than life itself, i love the buck pics and dont care who killed em. With all the good land going to the rich man, someday we will all be jumping fences and bending rules to kill a good buck!
Two things are never gonna change (1) people who consistently kill good bucks are gonna get jealously accused of cheating, and (2) people with money are always gonna kill bigger deer than you and i. I get on on this site because i love muleys more than life itself, i love the buck pics and dont care who killed em. With all the good land going to the rich man, someday we will all be jumping fences and bending rules to kill a good buck!
Gotthefever - I was just saying that gunnison, eagle, and other west slope areas have been the locations for multiple governor tags and high priced landowner tags. These guys get worshipped as know all hunters when in reality they are shooting dumb bucks in the rut. I just can't see where hiring 10 guides to find you a animal would be that rewarding. We are all guilty of making mistakes and it was a beautiful buck.
gotthefever
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Leonard,
I agree 100% with what you have stated. Finally, someone who makes an educated argument instead of just wanting to whine and complain.
I agree 100% with what you have stated. Finally, someone who makes an educated argument instead of just wanting to whine and complain.
Foreman4x4
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>Sorry, cant resist throwing my own
>opinion out here after reading
>all the garbage from the
>mule deer police on this
>sight. You guys all kill
>me. Good thing none of
>you have ever made mistakes
>when it comes to hunting,
>life, family etc. Man Founder,
>didnt know MM had so
>many "perfect saintly" people subscribing
>to this sight. What a
>JOKE!
>
>So way back in the day
>Mike claims residency in both
>UT and WY and that
>makes him a poacher? Thats
>not called poaching but rather
>financial creativity which came back
>to bite him and he's
>paid, and continues pay, dearly
>for that poor choice. Poaching
>in my book is taking
>game out of season. Shoot
>a buck after hours....poaching? Party
>tagging......poaching? Shoot a buck on
>private with out permission.....poaching? I
>don't call these violations poaching,
>rather breaking the law. What
>Mike did was break the
>law when it comes to
>claiming res status and you
>all want to put him
>in the same camp as
>Kurt Darner!!!!!! Garbage I say.
>Kurt killed countless bucks out
>of season WHICH makes him
>a poacher. Unless I missed
>something, Mike has never done
>that.
>
>The dude has either killed or
>guided more 200" deer than
>any other guy on this
>sight and the reason you
>are all so quick to
>judge the dude is because
>he can do what you
>cant and thats kill big
>deer. I have never hunted
>with the guy but I
>would guess he spends more
>days in the field, working
>hard, looking over hundreds of
>bucks and covering acres upon
>acres of ground to find
>Mr Big. He pays the
>price and thats why he
>continually kills big deer.
>
>So stop your freaking whining and
>judgmental accusations and get off
>your butts and get out
>on that winter range to
>find your 200" buck for
>next year. Otherwise if you
>don't, I promise you Mike
>Brownlee will and you will
>be left to sit at
>home again, this same time
>next year, whining and complaining
>about how Mike killed another
>GIANT and you killed squat!!!
>Idiots!!!!!
>
>FEVER
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck..
>opinion out here after reading
>all the garbage from the
>mule deer police on this
>sight. You guys all kill
>me. Good thing none of
>you have ever made mistakes
>when it comes to hunting,
>life, family etc. Man Founder,
>didnt know MM had so
>many "perfect saintly" people subscribing
>to this sight. What a
>JOKE!
>
>So way back in the day
>Mike claims residency in both
>UT and WY and that
>makes him a poacher? Thats
>not called poaching but rather
>financial creativity which came back
>to bite him and he's
>paid, and continues pay, dearly
>for that poor choice. Poaching
>in my book is taking
>game out of season. Shoot
>a buck after hours....poaching? Party
>tagging......poaching? Shoot a buck on
>private with out permission.....poaching? I
>don't call these violations poaching,
>rather breaking the law. What
>Mike did was break the
>law when it comes to
>claiming res status and you
>all want to put him
>in the same camp as
>Kurt Darner!!!!!! Garbage I say.
>Kurt killed countless bucks out
>of season WHICH makes him
>a poacher. Unless I missed
>something, Mike has never done
>that.
>
>The dude has either killed or
>guided more 200" deer than
>any other guy on this
>sight and the reason you
>are all so quick to
>judge the dude is because
>he can do what you
>cant and thats kill big
>deer. I have never hunted
>with the guy but I
>would guess he spends more
>days in the field, working
>hard, looking over hundreds of
>bucks and covering acres upon
>acres of ground to find
>Mr Big. He pays the
>price and thats why he
>continually kills big deer.
>
>So stop your freaking whining and
>judgmental accusations and get off
>your butts and get out
>on that winter range to
>find your 200" buck for
>next year. Otherwise if you
>don't, I promise you Mike
>Brownlee will and you will
>be left to sit at
>home again, this same time
>next year, whining and complaining
>about how Mike killed another
>GIANT and you killed squat!!!
>Idiots!!!!!
>
>FEVER
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck..
ColoradoOak
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Here is the story in Brownlee's words:
"Muley Connection and David Pittman teamed up on November 29th to harvest one of the most incredible bucks of the year. It all started when Mike Brownlee spotted this monster non-typical on November 25th. Mr. Pittman was had commitments at work and was not able to arrive in Colorado until the night of the 28th. Mike spent the next 4 excruciating days watching and patterning the giant. A well planned hunt was put into place for the next morning. With the help of Independence Pass Outfitting Company and Muley Connection team members, the giant was located at first light. David made an incredible 455 yard shot with a Gunwerks 7mm LRM rifle. Watch for this exciting hunt on an upcoming episode of Long Range Pursuit."
"Muley Connection and David Pittman teamed up on November 29th to harvest one of the most incredible bucks of the year. It all started when Mike Brownlee spotted this monster non-typical on November 25th. Mr. Pittman was had commitments at work and was not able to arrive in Colorado until the night of the 28th. Mike spent the next 4 excruciating days watching and patterning the giant. A well planned hunt was put into place for the next morning. With the help of Independence Pass Outfitting Company and Muley Connection team members, the giant was located at first light. David made an incredible 455 yard shot with a Gunwerks 7mm LRM rifle. Watch for this exciting hunt on an upcoming episode of Long Range Pursuit."
Please forgive for me my previous comment about Utah hunters. I was just trying to say that it seems the governors tag and mossback theme got its start in Utah and spread to surrounding states. I have lived and worked in Utah and just like most western people they are good folks.
elkassassin
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>The two photos in post #5
>show the buck alive and
>also after the kill. The
>kill photo makes him look
>a lot bigger than the
>live photo does IMO. I
>believe that is done with
>the size of lens Mossback
>uses. Something on the order
>of 24mm or there abouts.
>
>
>Nothing wrong with that, in fact
>it's good photography when you're
>trying to highlight the closer
>subject.
>
>It is weird that the hunter
>is not holding the rack
>himself, at least for the
>photo taken for the whole
>world to see. Maybe the
>guide will crop the hunter
>out at a later date?
>
>
>Eel
Well Eel!
They gotta Stretch the Buck to 258"s somehow!
They got ways of doing it now days!
I'll bet if CUPSY Scored that Buck He'd Piss a Bunch of people off,He's actually perty good at what he does!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
>show the buck alive and
>also after the kill. The
>kill photo makes him look
>a lot bigger than the
>live photo does IMO. I
>believe that is done with
>the size of lens Mossback
>uses. Something on the order
>of 24mm or there abouts.
>
>
>Nothing wrong with that, in fact
>it's good photography when you're
>trying to highlight the closer
>subject.
>
>It is weird that the hunter
>is not holding the rack
>himself, at least for the
>photo taken for the whole
>world to see. Maybe the
>guide will crop the hunter
>out at a later date?
>
>
>Eel
Well Eel!
They gotta Stretch the Buck to 258"s somehow!
They got ways of doing it now days!
I'll bet if CUPSY Scored that Buck He'd Piss a Bunch of people off,He's actually perty good at what he does!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
tylercreek2
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>>>"Muley Connection and David Pittman teamed up on November 29th to harvest one of the most incredible bucks of the year. It all started when Mike Brownlee spotted this monster non-typical on November 25th. Mr. Pittman was had commitments at work and was not able to arrive in Colorado until the night of the 28th. Mike spent the next 4 excruciating days watching and patterning the giant. A well planned hunt was put into place for the next morning. With the help of Independence Pass Outfitting Company and Muley Connection team members, the giant was located at first light. David made an incredible 455 yard shot with a Gunwerks 7mm LRM rifle. Watch for this exciting hunt on an upcoming episode of Long Range Pursuit."<<<
just curious does anyone have any idea on actually how many people were in the "posse" chasing this deer?
just curious does anyone have any idea on actually how many people were in the "posse" chasing this deer?
E
elkun
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the coyotes are spreading to more states ,
Cozmo8
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On another forum there was a similar debate as to the taking of an animal and how it was killed I posted this there and will post it again here. Just my opinion.
All of us have our own opinions of what is ethical and unethical so each one of us has to decide what we choose to do in the field. If a participant is not breaking the law then generally we should accept it even if we disagree or will not take part in that activity. As long as there is a demand for 200 inch bucks (which there always will be and probably to get worse as time goes on) every legal tactic possible will be deployed. At the end of the day it comes down to the hunter. As he/she gazes at the buck on the wall he/she has to decide if they are happy and content with how that animal fell. If it was located by artificial light and then killed within a stones throw from a road and the killer is okay with that then all is fine. 10 game cameras on one water hole, spot lighting, 5-8 scouts per hunter. All this appears to be legal. I personally think that these tactics take the "hunt" aspect out of it if I were a client. When I come home without an animal or one that is not as desirable as what a guide could help me assasinate. I am okay with that.
Take a mature 200 plus inch buck on public land, DIY, in a general season and there is no greater sense of accomplishment.
All of us have our own opinions of what is ethical and unethical so each one of us has to decide what we choose to do in the field. If a participant is not breaking the law then generally we should accept it even if we disagree or will not take part in that activity. As long as there is a demand for 200 inch bucks (which there always will be and probably to get worse as time goes on) every legal tactic possible will be deployed. At the end of the day it comes down to the hunter. As he/she gazes at the buck on the wall he/she has to decide if they are happy and content with how that animal fell. If it was located by artificial light and then killed within a stones throw from a road and the killer is okay with that then all is fine. 10 game cameras on one water hole, spot lighting, 5-8 scouts per hunter. All this appears to be legal. I personally think that these tactics take the "hunt" aspect out of it if I were a client. When I come home without an animal or one that is not as desirable as what a guide could help me assasinate. I am okay with that.
Take a mature 200 plus inch buck on public land, DIY, in a general season and there is no greater sense of accomplishment.
Stubaby
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+1 Cosmo. I don't and will never know any of these guys with really white teeth, but I agree with you on what you said. If a rich old dude goes to Vegas and pays some young escort to do "things" then that by no means makes him a ladies man.
If I ever have tons of money I might pay to hunt land that has less pressure than others, but no way im paying a guide(s) to do all the work for me. And even then if I'm holding a 200+ buck in my hands there is no way I'm gonna be more excited or happy than the day I killed a 180+ buck with my bow on public land in a place that gets lots of pressure with an OTC tag.
For a lot of these guys that obviously have lots of discretionary income, they probably feel pressure from thier own social circles to kill a certain size if animal no matter how. When you combine that with spare time and money it's a slippery slope.
"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"
If I ever have tons of money I might pay to hunt land that has less pressure than others, but no way im paying a guide(s) to do all the work for me. And even then if I'm holding a 200+ buck in my hands there is no way I'm gonna be more excited or happy than the day I killed a 180+ buck with my bow on public land in a place that gets lots of pressure with an OTC tag.
For a lot of these guys that obviously have lots of discretionary income, they probably feel pressure from thier own social circles to kill a certain size if animal no matter how. When you combine that with spare time and money it's a slippery slope.
"That's a special feeling, Lloyd"
elks96
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Not really sure but I know of atleast 9 other guys and 3 different outfitters here in the NW Section of the state looking for a buck for this guy... I ran into 2 different outfitters during week of thanksgiving. Said there was another outfitter looking as well. The one company had his 3 paid employees looking and the other place had an additional 6 out looking.
oldmossback
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Ummm, Just wanted everyone to know that I am in no way,shape or form associated with mossback guide services. Im just a blue collar guy who loves to hunt.
It is just a username i picked on here years ago before ever hearing of that outfitter..
I do though HATE pouchers and I have no respect for people who use their money to pay others to basically hunt for them and they just show up and pull a trigger. They just basically bought a buck, they didnt earn it. Thats my opinion.
It is just a username i picked on here years ago before ever hearing of that outfitter..
I do though HATE pouchers and I have no respect for people who use their money to pay others to basically hunt for them and they just show up and pull a trigger. They just basically bought a buck, they didnt earn it. Thats my opinion.
elks96
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>>>>"Muley Connection and David Pittman teamed up on November 29th to harvest one of the most incredible bucks of the year. It all started when Mike Brownlee spotted this monster non-typical on November 25th. Mr. Pittman was had commitments at work and was not able to arrive in Colorado until the night of the 28th. Mike spent the next 4 excruciating days watching and patterning the giant. A well planned hunt was put into place for the next morning. With the help of Independence Pass Outfitting Company and Muley Connection team members, the giant was located at first light. David made an incredible 455 yard shot with a Gunwerks 7mm LRM rifle. Watch for this exciting hunt on an upcoming episode of Long Range Pursuit."<<<
>
> just curious does anyone have
>any idea on actually how
>many people were in the
>"posse" chasing this deer?
What exactly was excruciating about the 4 days? Not being able to dump the buck illegally like he has in the past? Really how hard is it to watch a big buck for 4 days this time of year? There has been no weather, not cold, nothing...
The time has come to look again at our system and to make the necessary changes before things in Colorado become that of Utah. PS. Brownlee is an idiot. Ego and money driven DB that is only hunting now because laws were once more lax. I have no doubt that he would do just about anything to get himself in a pic with a big buck. Heck he would even upstage the hunter and put himself on center stage. He really has no place in this business, and it never seems to fail that every couple years he is in front of a judge for something, or center stage, etc. It maybe illegally driving a road, using aircraft,waht ever it maybe, there has never been any showing of remorse for his past mistakes and still just a drive to become known as Mr. Mule Deer....
>
> just curious does anyone have
>any idea on actually how
>many people were in the
>"posse" chasing this deer?
What exactly was excruciating about the 4 days? Not being able to dump the buck illegally like he has in the past? Really how hard is it to watch a big buck for 4 days this time of year? There has been no weather, not cold, nothing...
The time has come to look again at our system and to make the necessary changes before things in Colorado become that of Utah. PS. Brownlee is an idiot. Ego and money driven DB that is only hunting now because laws were once more lax. I have no doubt that he would do just about anything to get himself in a pic with a big buck. Heck he would even upstage the hunter and put himself on center stage. He really has no place in this business, and it never seems to fail that every couple years he is in front of a judge for something, or center stage, etc. It maybe illegally driving a road, using aircraft,waht ever it maybe, there has never been any showing of remorse for his past mistakes and still just a drive to become known as Mr. Mule Deer....
Don't know Brownlee from the man in the moon but he seems like a piece of work just from reading/looking at his website. States he's been lucky enough to harvest several 200 plus inch bucks- ugh. The pic of him and the hunter is really strange in that Brownlee would assume the hunters position and the hunter his. Seems like Brownlee is taking credit and complete ownership while hunter just looks out of place.
Hate to say it but there are "Brownlees" in every facet of our society. People that will do anything and everything to succeed and come out on top at all costs. I have to credit him for his dedication in what he does but does what he promotes do anything for mule deer or others? Absolutely not. Sad thing is that this is where hunting is now not where it is going. Were here. Best way to handle it all is to just be ethical and to stand up for what is right. You can't stop die hards that will spend that much time in the field from taking every available advantage there for the taking ethical or not. All you or I can do is be good men.
Hate to say it but there are "Brownlees" in every facet of our society. People that will do anything and everything to succeed and come out on top at all costs. I have to credit him for his dedication in what he does but does what he promotes do anything for mule deer or others? Absolutely not. Sad thing is that this is where hunting is now not where it is going. Were here. Best way to handle it all is to just be ethical and to stand up for what is right. You can't stop die hards that will spend that much time in the field from taking every available advantage there for the taking ethical or not. All you or I can do is be good men.
brutus54
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>Here is the story in Brownlee's
>words:
>
>"Muley Connection and David Pittman teamed
>up on November 29th to
>harvest one of the most
>incredible bucks of the year.
>It all started when Mike
>Brownlee spotted this monster non-typical
>on November 25th. Mr. Pittman
>was had commitments at work
>and was not able to
>arrive in Colorado until the
>night of the 28th. Mike
>spent the next 4 excruciating
>days watching and patterning the
>giant. A well planned hunt
>was put into place for
>the next morning. With the
>help of Independence Pass Outfitting
>Company and Muley Connection team
>members, the giant was located
>at first light. David made
>an incredible 455 yard shot
>with a Gunwerks 7mm LRM
>rifle. Watch for this exciting
>hunt on an upcoming episode
>of Long Range Pursuit."
A well planned hunt? They knew right where it was at! What Plan where to park! Or do we finish our coffee or not! Or do we let him pass his seed one more time! Or can the Hunter touch the antlers in the field or do we wait untill we get back!!!
>words:
>
>"Muley Connection and David Pittman teamed
>up on November 29th to
>harvest one of the most
>incredible bucks of the year.
>It all started when Mike
>Brownlee spotted this monster non-typical
>on November 25th. Mr. Pittman
>was had commitments at work
>and was not able to
>arrive in Colorado until the
>night of the 28th. Mike
>spent the next 4 excruciating
>days watching and patterning the
>giant. A well planned hunt
>was put into place for
>the next morning. With the
>help of Independence Pass Outfitting
>Company and Muley Connection team
>members, the giant was located
>at first light. David made
>an incredible 455 yard shot
>with a Gunwerks 7mm LRM
>rifle. Watch for this exciting
>hunt on an upcoming episode
>of Long Range Pursuit."
A well planned hunt? They knew right where it was at! What Plan where to park! Or do we finish our coffee or not! Or do we let him pass his seed one more time! Or can the Hunter touch the antlers in the field or do we wait untill we get back!!!
elkassassin
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I wonder when this comes out in the Magazines if Brownlee will be holding the Buck claiming all the Fame or Possibly the Hunter holding the Buck?
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
Founder
Founder Since 1999
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Time to lock it down and put the bashing to rest. Think what you want about me, but I won't let these threads go on and on forever.
All this has turned into is a competition to see who can say the worst and meanest things possible about other people. It brings the deepest and worst parts of some people out and it's gone on long enough.
Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
All this has turned into is a competition to see who can say the worst and meanest things possible about other people. It brings the deepest and worst parts of some people out and it's gone on long enough.
Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
